Is Jesus 100% Man and 100% God?

[edpobre]

Friends,

A lot of people I meet tell me that Jesus is 100% MAN and 100% GOD. Is there a verse in the Bible that says or implies this? Or could it be that Jesus is 50% MAN and 50% GOD?

Can anyone fill an empty 1 gallon jar with 100% water and 100% oil at the SAME time?

Ed

[Archieve]

Ed are you your father or are you two- two different men?
Explain your answer.

Thanks

[ZoneChaos]

it we are gooing to get simple.. don't thikn of it as 1+1+1=3 think of it as 1x1x1=1

Jesus was not half man and half God he was Fully GOd and Fully Man.

And, many have given you the verses to show this.

[Archieve]

Jesus is the son of God. He isn't God. I have shown scriptures to back what I am saying.

St. Matthew 5:8 "Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God"

If Jesus was God then that would mean people have seen God -that include sinners as well.

Jesus is not God. I am waiting for someone to show me in the bible where it states that Jesus was God wrapped up in the flesh. Where is the scripture?

[edpobre]

Archieve,

Ed are you your father or are you two- two different men? Explain your answer.

I'm not my Father and yes, I and my Father are two different men although I and my Father are ONE. Do I need to explain this?

Ed

[Josephus]

Ed, if Jesus is not God, then how do you explain Luke 19:41-48?

Jesus is speaking about the future destruction of Jerusalem which happens in 70AD, and it is here in this verse he explain WHY Jerusalem is destroyed:

"They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God's coming to you." v44

When He finally comes back again Ed, I hope that you won't fall under the category of one who doesn't recognize Him for who He really is.

If you say it was Jesus who was "sent" then as you can clearly see, it is God that "came."

God is the Father, and God is the Son, and God is also the same Holy Spirit all three evident as the One and only God: our Creator, our Father, our Savior, our Counselor, our friend.

[Archieve]

Jesus wasn't God. He is the son of God.

[Josephus]

Then explain how God can "come" as that verse says.

[edpobre]

Josephus,

You wrote: Ed, if Jesus is not God, then how do you explain Luke 19:41-48? If you say it was Jesus who was "sent" then as you can clearly see, it is God that "came."

In Matthew 10:40, Jesus said: "He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives Him who sent me."

In John 13:20, Jesus also said: "Most assuredly I say to you, he who receives whomever I send receives me; and he who receives me receives Him who sent me."

And in Luke 10:16, Jesus said: "He who hears you hears me, he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects Him who sent me."

From these verses we can clearly understand what Jesus meant in Luke 19:44. Jesus was sent by God to bring His salvation near to the Jews. But they rejected Jesus whom God sent. According to Jesus, this meant rejecting God who sent him. Thus, his coming was the equivalent of God's coming to them.

You wrote: God is the Father, and God is the Son, and God is also the same Holy Spirit all three evident as the One and only God: our Creator, our Father, our Savior, our Counselor, our friend.

In Luke 6:46, Jesus told those who called him LORD: "But why do you call me 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do the things which I say?" Jesus identified the FATHER as the ONLY true God (John 17:3). He repeatedly referred to himself as the SON. Yet you insist that the SON is God.

In Mark 16:16, Jesus said: "...he who believes and is baptized will be saved." Yet you insist that baptism is NOT relevnt to salvation.

Your doctrines are CONTRARY to what Jesus taught. What makes you certain that you are not among those whom Jesus rebuked i

[ZoneChaos]

"Son of God" is more accurately written as Son of the Father.

Jesus can be God and be the Son of the Father.

[Josephus]

Thus, his coming was the equivalent of God's coming to them.

The equivalent? Boy, I'm surprised Ed that you would even conceed this. Unless your definition for equivalence is different than mine, I think you just stated that Jesus's comming is the same that of God's.

Reread the verses you posted: "I and my Father are one." "He who rejects Me, rejects the One who sent me."

Somewhere else Jesus says: "I have come so that you might have life, and have it more abundantly." And yet elsewhere in the bible (like in Genesis) it is only God that can give life.

Stop and think for a moment: if Jesus is God, the same God who spoke to Moses, and who is also the Father as we know Him in heaven, and is also that same Holy Spirit that talks to us and comforts us: the One and only. Is it not possible that God could also inhabit the created form of a man, and thus exalt that body - that fullness of Him to the highest place in the universe? Would it also be the greatest display of God's love for us by becomming like one of us, so that we too can be a part of Him forever?

Would you not say that these are valid points wothy of looking into and maybe looking at from another point of view: that Jesus is indeed God Himself? Every fiber of your being at this point is probably screaming at you to say no; the ingrained response to countless times you are approached with this - and prideful satisfaction that comes from "knowing" you're right. Yet you haven't really looked for yourself yet - at least not what I and others have to say. If there is a God, then let the truth be known, and let's start with this particular angle.

We'll head for those other doctrines you talked about later, somewhere down the path once we get there. For now though, let's concentrate on this one.

[Archieve]

ZoneChaos Wrote:

Jesus can be God and be the Son of the Father.

ZoneChaos, pull out your bible and share scriptures with me, where it states that Jesus is God. Don't continue to beat around the bush like you are doing. Back what you are saying by share scriptures with me.

If Jesus is God, then who is the [?

[ZoneChaos]

He is worshiped (Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33; 28:9)
He is prayed to (Acts 7:59; 1 Cor. 1:2)
He was called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1::cool:
He was called Son of God (Mark 1:1)
He is sinless (1 Pet. 2:22; Heb. 4:15)
He knew all things (John 21:17)
He gives eternal life (John 20:2:cool:
The fullness of deity dwells in Him (Col. 2:9)

These are tnhings God deos that are credited to Jesus

Obviouslt you do not accept the "Word" as mentioned in John 1:1 as being Jesus.. so I didn't post the scripture but I accept the Word as Jesus.

[Josephus]

Nice post, Zone. Good scripture too, btw.

Now to see if we've convinced our comrades. :)

[Archieve]

ZoneChaos Wrote:

He is worshiped (Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33; 28:9)

Why can't we worship Jesus.

He is prayed to (Acts 7:59; 1 Cor. 1:2)

In order to get to God You have to go through Jesus ( St. John 14:7 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and life: no man cometh unto the "Father," but by me.

He was called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1:

Yes John 20: 28 - Thomas has said My Lord and My God (That's not saying that Jesus was God) - He didn't want to believe that the other disciples have seen Jesus. Jesus had to show himself to Thomas in order for him to believe.

Now down to Hebrew 1:1, you need to read pass verse one to understand what is being told. In verse one the Author is letting you know that God used prophets to speak unto the fathers, but now he has used his Son

He was called Son of God (Mark 1:1)[/b]

He is the Son of God that's what Mark was letting you know.

He is sinless (1 Pet. 2:22; He

Yes Jesus sin not. Even Jesus obeyed his Father - (God's) commandments.

He knew all things (John 21:17)

He was here from the beginning,with God

He gives eternal life (John 20:2

Give me another scripture - St. John 20:2 is talking about Mary Magdelene, looking for Jesus

The fullness of deity dwells in Him (Col. 2:9)

Everything that's in God is in Jesus

[LouisBooth]

"Why can't we worship Jesus. "

We can but according to commandment one there are no other Gods, none at all that exsist...so if we worship someone other then God then we are breaking God's commandments..thus worshiping Jesus is worshiping God, which is right because Jesus is God.

"Everything that's in God is in Jesus"

That's right..because Jesus is God.

[ZoneChaos]

Why can't we worship Jesus.


Hehe.. well.. I can.. you can't :) I think Jesus is God.. so I have no problem with it. You think Jesus is not GOd, so under your belefs, worshipping Jesus would make him a false idol.. since God is the only one to be worshipped.

And since God is the only one to be worshipped.. do you worship Jesus as God? hmm..

In order to get to God You have to go through Jesus ( St. John 14:7 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and life: no man cometh unto the "Father," but by me.

ame as above. Prayer is meant for communication to God. I have no problem with it, but you should.

Yes John 20: 28 - Thomas has said My Lord and My God (That's not saying that Jesus was God) - He didn't want to believe that the other disciples have seen Jesus. Jesus had to show himself to Thomas in order for him to believe.

Now down to Hebrew 1:1, you need to read pass verse one to understand what is being told. In verse one the Author is letting you know that God used prophets to speak unto the fathers, but now he has used his Son

Why didn't Jesus rebuke Thomas for calling Him God if Jesus was not God?

He is the Son of God that's what Mark was letting you know.
And as the son of aman has the nature of its father.. should Jesus also have the same nature as His Father?

Yes Jesus sin not. Even Jesus obeyed his Father - (God's) commandments.

"Sinless" isn't "not commiting acts of sin" Sinless is not having a sinful nature. All of man is sinful by nature. Jesus was not, becasue He was not born of man, but of God. God is sinless, so then is Jesus as His Son.

He was here from the beginning,with God
Think about that.. If Jesus was not God could that be possible?

Everything that's in God is in Jesus

That's right because Jesus is God. :)

[edpobre]

ZoneChaos,

Now you want to rephrase the Bible to make it fit your FALSE doctrine that Jesus is God.

And to think that a lot of people make a case against the JWS for making their own translation of the Bible.

Ed

[edpobre]

Josephus,

Stop and think for a moment: if Jesus is God, the same God who spoke to Moses, and who is also the Father as we know Him in heaven, and is also that same Holy Spirit that talks to us and comforts us: the One and only. Is it not possible that God could also inhabit the created form of a man, and thus exalt that body - that fullness of Him to the highest place in the universe? Would it also be the greatest display of God's love for us by becomming like one of us, so that we too can be a part of Him forever?

First, I cannot stop for a moment and think that Jesus is God because the Bible says he is a MAN (John 8:40; Acts 2:22; Acts 17:31; 1 Tim. 2:5) and the FATHER (Jesus is the SON) is the ONLY true God (John 17:3).

Second, the Bible also tells us that God is NOT a MAN and God makes good what He says (Num. 23:19).

Third, the greatest display of God's love for us is His sending of His only begotten to die for sinners (John 3:16).

Would you not say that these are valid points wothy of looking into and maybe looking at from another point of view: that Jesus is indeed God H

This question is moot and academic my friend.

Every fiber of your being at this point is probably screaming at you to say no; the ingrained response to countless times you are approached with this - and prideful satisfaction that comes from "knowing" you're right. Yet you haven't really looked for yourself yet - at least not what I and others have to say. If there is a God, then let the truth be known, and let's start with this particular angle.

If I ONLY pretend to believe the Bible and also ONLY pretend to have faith and trust in Jesus as my LORD and savior, then I might think as you and all the others do.

You say let truth be known. Do you really mean this? Or are you pretending to be seeking the truth? The truth is what Jesus says not what the Council of Nicea said and did and certainly not what priests, pastors and evangelists preach.

And to borrow your quote: "Every fiber of your being at this point is probably screaming at you to say no; the ingrained response to countless times you are approached with this - and prideful satisfaction that comes from "knowing" you're right."

Ed

[LouisBooth]

"This question is moot and academic my friend. "

Yes it is, from a strictly academic point of view the text says Jesus is God and God is tribuine.

[ZoneChaos]

Now you want to rephrase the Bible to make it fit your FALSE doctrine that Jesus is God.

Umm. Ed.. this statment really does not do you any credit.

I can say the sasme thing about you, but there is no value in such a comment. Showme I have "rephrased" the Bible. Show me I have created a false doctrine. So far all you have done is show an opposing interpretation of the Bible, which you have yet to validate, and then claim mine is false, without showing why.

[Archieve]

Ed, I think it was you that have said that God Is Not Man - Thank you!

Number 23:19 'God is not a man, that he should lie; neither is Son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall not he do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

To those who believes that Jesus is God - wasn't Jesus a man? - Yes or No?

Here are some other things that God is not:

Mocked

Galatians 6:7 'Be not decived; God is not mocked:for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Jesus was Mocked

St. Matthews 27:29 'And when they had plaited a crown of thorns, they put upon his head, and a reed in his right hand: and they bowed the knee before him, and mocked him, saying, Hail, King of the Jews!

St. Luke 22:63 ' And the men that held Jesus ( mocked) him.

Tempted

James 1:13 ' Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither he tempteth he any man.

I am only going to quote the first sentence.

St. Luke 4:2' Being forty days tempeted of the devil.'

St. Matthew 22:18 ' But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?

[ZoneChaos]

Galatians 6:7 'Be not decived; God is not mocked:for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.


Ids there a period after the owrd mocked? or a colon?
The first part of this verse makes a statement: God is not mocked. And, if this is all therewere, then this would be a general Statement, as oyu think it i, however, the writer then goe son to explain and define in deatial, that statement...

The writer was correcting those who were saying that the church mis-represents God. The writer said that if this is so, then it is a mockery of God. BUt the mockery of God is not there, because a man sows what he reaps.. ie, people who say they are christians, but do not live a christian life, are not truly Christians. If they were, then it ouwld be a mockery to GOd, but since a man sows what he reaps, is is said that he is not truly a Christian, and by this, God is not mocked.

"God is not mocked" is not a general statement in this verse.. it is a statement related to what follows it. God is not mocked, because a man sows what he reaps.

for God cannot be tempted with evil,

Jesus was a man. Fuly a man.. 100% As a man, Jesus was tempted, but as God He was not. Satan asked Jesus, as a man, to test God... but Jesus did not Test God. Jesu, the man, did not give into temptation, becasue Jesus, as God canot be tempted unto action. Satan proved the statement true.. Satan tried and failed to tempt God.

[Archieve]

ZoneChaos, you keep saying that Jesus was God

Go on ahead and let the devil fool you. Keep letting him make you lie and say that Jesus was God

[LouisBooth]

I still don't think you get it..Jesus was God and the bible plainly says that. It is very logical and very biblical. To have an atoining sacrifice he has to be perfect, no mere man could be perfect, but he had to be man to step in for us..solution God came up with..I'll be a man because I can do it..hence 100% man and 100% God. Jesus is God.

[edpobre]

LouisBooth,

How can Jesus be 100% MAN and 100% God at the same time? Please show me how you can fill an empty 1 gallon jar with 100% water and 100% oil at the SAME time.

Either Jesus WAS 100% GOD before he became 100% MAN or Jesus is 50% GOD and 50% MAN at the same time. Neither possiblity would make Jesus God.

If Jesus WAS 100% GOD before he became 100% MAN, then the Jesus who died on the cross, was buried and was raised by God from the dead WAS 100% MAN. This SAME man was SEEN by many when he ascended to heaven and will come the SAME way on judgment day (Acts 1:11).

Today, the SAME man, Jesus sits at the right hand of God (Col. 3:1). Heb. 13:8 says that Jesus is the SAME today, yesterday and forever. That means that Jesus was a MAN when he was conceived and born, he was a MAN when he grew up and did the work of God, he was a MAN when he ascended to heaven, he IS a MAN seated at the right hand of God and he will be a MAN when he comes again on judgment day.

Jesus CANNOT be 50% MAN and 50% GOD either because the Bible teaches that God is SPIRIT (John 4:24), IMMORTAL and INVISIBLE (1 Tim. 1:17; John 1:18; 1 John 4:12). Jesus has flesh and bones (Luke 24:19), MORTAL (he died, didn't he?) and VISIBLE (the apostles and 500 others SAW him).

Ed

[ZoneChaos]

That's the whole point Ed.. Jesus is 100% Man and 100% God. You are looking at his nature as 1+1= it is actually 1x1=

same as the trinity.. God is not 1+1+1 God is 1x1x1.

[LouisBooth]

"How can Jesus be 100% MAN and 100% God at the same time? "

Phil 2:5-8

"Jesus CANNOT be 50% MAN and 50% GOD either because the Bible teaches that God is SPIRIT (John 4:24), "

Missing context here.

"MMORTAL and INVISIBLE (1 Tim. 1:17; John 1:18; 1 John 4:12). "

Funny how people saw him though huh?

"MORTAL (he died, didn't he"

:lol: poor reasoning here, Jesus is eternal, he says it himself.

"VISIBLE (the apostles and 500 others SAW him)."

So? People saw God too...stephen for example..

"Jesus CANNOT be 50% MAN and 50% GOD either because the Bible teaches that God is SPIRIT (John 4:24), "

Hmm...God appeared in a buring bush..in the holy of holies..read your OT more, you will see clear refutes to this simple limit you have placed on God.