Do you have God?

[edpobre]

Friends,

Apostle John wrote: "Whoever transgresses and does NOT abide in the DOCTRINE OF CHRIST does NOT have God. He who ABIDES in the DOCTRINE OF CHRIST has both the Father and the Son" (2 John 9).

You may think you are saved because you were made to believe that by accepting Jesus as your Lord and savior you are saved.

You may think you are a Christian because you were made to believe that character, love, peace and joy are trademarks of a Christian.

But if you DON'T abide in the doctrine of Christ, will you be saved? NO way! Anyone who does NOT have God does NOT have the SON and does NOT have life (1 John 5:12).

Jesus teaches that he is a MAN and the FATHER is the ONLY true God. Do you ABIDE in this doctrine?

Jesus teaches that he who DOES the WILL of the Father will enter the knigdom of heaven. Do you ABIDE in this doctrine?

Jesus teaches that he who BELIEVES and is BAPTIZED will be saved. Do you ABIDE in this doctrine?

Jesus teaches that he who ENTERS by him will be saved. Do you ABIDE in this doctrine?

Jesus teaches his disciples who believe in him that if they ABIDE in his words, they are his disciples indeed. Do you ABIDE in this doctrine?

Ask yourself this question my friend: Do I have God?

Ed

[LouisBooth]

"Jesus teaches that he who DOES the WILL of the Father will enter the knigdom of heaven. Do you ABIDE in this doctrine?"

This is a wrong statement. I was almost with ya till here. As Christ and Paul, and all the other NT writers say, it is faith alone. That's all it takes to be saved. Paul also goes on to say it is not of works that no man should boast (ie doing the will of God, circumsion, good works, etc..).

"Jesus teaches that he who BELIEVES and is BAPTIZED will be saved. Do you ABIDE in this doctrine?"

Agreed, there is only ONE verse in the whole bible that says it is required to be saved, and NONE of the early manuscripts have contain this verse. I will go with yes, you should be baptised, but like the theif on the cross, you don't have to be in order to be saved.

"Ask yourself this question my friend: Do I have God?"

Yup, I sure do through the blood of Christ. That's all it takes, belief that Christ is your savior. Eps. 2:8-10 "For it is y grace you have been saved, throgh fiaht, and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jeus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do." faith alone. nuff said. :)

[ZoneChaos]

You may think you are saved because you were made to believe that by accepting Jesus as your Lord and savior you are saved.

Jesus said as much.

You may think you are a Christian because you were made to believe that character, love, peace and joy are trademarks of a Christian.

They are evidence of a Christian life.

But if you DON'T abide in the doctrine of Christ, will you be saved? NO way! Anyone who does NOT have God does NOT have the SON and does NOT have life (1 John 5:12).

The doctrine of Salvation. is salvation. Obvioulsy if you do not have it, you are not saved.

Jesus teaches that he is a MAN and the FATHER is the ONLY true God. Do you ABIDE in this doctrine?

I was taught and beleive this...

Jesus teaches that he who DOES the WILL of the Father will enter the knigdom of heaven. Do you ABIDE in this doctrine?

Yep.. so far so good...

Jesus teaches that he who BELIEVES and is BAPTIZED will be saved. Do you ABIDE in this doctrine?

Yes I do, though baptism does not save you.

Jesus teaches that he who ENTERS by him will be saved. Do you ABIDE in this doctrine?

Interesting wording.. but if you mean that we are saved through Christ, then yes...

Jesus teaches his disciples who believe in him that if they ABIDE in his words, they are his disciples indeed. Do you ABIDE in this doctrine?


Yep!

Ask yourself this question my friend: Do I have God?

Sure do!

[swimmase]

"Ask yourself this question my friend: Do I have God?"

as much as i may struggle, i do have God.

1 John 2:4-5 "He who says "I know him" but disobeys his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps his word, in him truly love for God is perfected."

i think this verse describes me to a "T" i've been teetering on the left side of it for so long, trying to get on the right side. but i'd still like to say i have God:/

[Archieve]

You have to repent and be born again

Just by saying you confess Jesus as your saviour means that you are saved. You are not saved, because you have confess Jesus as your saviour.

You have to Repent turn away from your sins.

You can't serve God and mammon.

You can't serve God and still

1. Go out to the night clubs.

2. Drink alcohol.

3. Commit fornication

4. Commit adultery

5. Watch ****o movies

6. Lie

7. Curse

8. Practice Homosexuality or even accept a lie.

9. Dress nasty. Showing all your body.

10. Just doing what the World is Doing.

Although, you are in the world, you don't have to be of the world.

[LouisBooth]

agreed Arch. but those are things that come AFTER salvation. That's God changing your life. Thats a direct result of salvation, not a requirement of it ;) Like James would say..the proof is in the pudding.

[Audio Prophecy]

simmase, that is an excellent quote from the bible :)

[AngelAmidala]

ZC...I just gotta ask this...at the beginning of your post, I see:

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Jesus said as much.


Um...am I missing something or did Kirsten Storms say something about ed's post? Or did ed mention Kirsten Storms? Or am I the only one who saw the words Kirsten Storms?

[Audio Prophecy]

I see it to, and I am as confused as you are...

[ZoneChaos]

No clue.. I think it was on my clip-board when I pasted LOL... I fixed my post ;)

[AngelAmidala]

Thank you! :)

It make so much more sense now. *giggles*

[edpobre]

LouisBooth,

I wrote: "Jesus teaches that he who DOES the WILL of the Father will enter the knigdom of heaven. Do you ABIDE in this doctrine?"

You wrote:This is a wrong statement. I was almost with ya till here. As Christ and Paul, and all the other NT writers say, it is faith alone. That's all it takes to be saved. Paul also goes on to say it is not of works that no man should boast (ie doing the will of God, circumsion, good works, etc..).

Matthew 7:21: "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord' shll enter the kingdom of heven, but he who DOES the WILL of my Father in heaven."

You say this statement is wrong Louis. I thought you have accepted Jesus as your LORD. Is this the way to show your submission to the authority of your LORD and Savior? Don't you know that REJECTING what Jesus says is REJECTING Jesus? And don't you know that he who REJECTS Jesus REJECTS Him who SENT Jesus? And you have the gall to say you have God?

I wrote:"Jesus teaches that he who BELIEVES and is BAPTIZED will be saved. Do you ABIDE in this doctrine?"

You wrote:Agreed, there is only ONE verse in the whole bible that says it is required to be saved, and NONE of the early manuscripts have contain this verse. I will go with yes, you should be baptised, but like the theif on the cross, you don't have to be in order to be saved.

Mark 16:15-16: (15)And he said to them, "Go into the world and preach the gospel to every creature. (16)He who believes AND is baptized will be saved."

Matthew 28:19: "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

These verses reveal your IGNORANCE Louis because you said there is only ONE verse in the whole Bible that says it is required to be saved. Jesus says he who believes AND is baptized will be saved. Then he COMMANDS his apostles to make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

Did the apostles obey Jesus' command? Sure they did. Apostle Peter preached the gospel (Acts 2:3:cool: and those who gladly received his words (believed) were baptized and ADDED to them (Acts 2:41). "...And the Lord ADDED to the church daily those that WERE BEING sav (Acts 2:47).

You say that like the thief on the cross, you don't have to be batized to be saved. As you can see, this belief clearly CONTRADICTS[/c] what the Bible teaches. Acts 2:41 and 47 proves that those who bel and are baptized are ADDED to the church to be saved.

The thief on the cross was NOT covered by this command because he was still under the law and all it needed for him to be saved was to believe and have faith in Jesus.

This command regarding baptism was given by Jesus AFTER God raised him from the dead.

I wrote:"Ask yourself this question my friend: Do I have God?"

You wrote:Yup, I sure do through the blood of Christ. That's all it takes, belief that Christ is your savior. Eps. 2:8-10 "For it is y grace you have been saved, throgh fiaht, and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jeus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do." faith alone. nuff said.

In the light of what apostle John wrote in 2 John 9, your belief that you have God is FALSE!

Even if you cut out from your Bible the following verses: 2 John 9, Matthew 7:21, Mark 16:15-16, Matthew 28:19, John 8:40 and John 17:3, and pretend NOT to know them, what you really have is a FALSE expectation that you are saved.

The TRUTH is, anyone who does NOT believe Jesus is CONDEMNED already (John 3:1:cool: .

Shouldn't you love your life more than your friends who taught you these false doctrines?

Ed

[LouisBooth]

"Matthew 7:21: "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord' shll enter the kingdom of heven, but he who DOES the WILL of my Father in heaven."

You say this statement is wrong Louis. "

:lol: no I don't ed. That's the proof, just like James says. they will know you are christians by your love (because you do the will of God) but that doesn't mean you HAVE to do this. Its a natural thing. Again do I need to point you to eps 2:8-10 not by works, only by grace though faith. very plainly said. These verses do not clash ed, do you see the answer..its faith.

"Mark 16:15-16: (15)And he said to them, "Go into the world and preach the gospel to every creature. (16)He who believes AND is baptized will be saved.""

This verse was not in the orginal manuscripts and most scholars agree that it was inserted later. Baseing docterine on this is just plain stupid.

"These verses reveal your IGNORANCE Louis because you said there is only ONE verse in the whole Bible that says it is required to be saved. "

Did that verse in Mat say you have to be bapsted to be saved? No, so you're the ignorant one ed, did you want me to list the 50000000 verses or so in the bible that say faith alone? hmm? Start with Eps 2:8-10, Gal 2:16 , 1 tim 1:14, 2 thes 2:13..thats just for starters..on and here is something else to think about ed,

Col 2:9For in Christ all the fullness of the deity lives in blodily form.....

"Did the apostles obey Jesus' command? "

yeah, so did Judus..he wasn't saved. It was the will of God that he betray christ.

"The thief on the cross was NOT covered by this command because he was still under the law and all it needed for him to be saved was to believe and have faith in Jesus.

This command regarding baptism was given by Jesus AFTER God raised him from the dead."

:lol: funny how you have to say, well except here and except there..:lol: the truth has no exceptions ed, baptism was somehing that was done long before Christ died. It was significant then too, or Christ wouldn't have done it himself. Your ideas here are wrong.

"Even if you cut out from your Bible the following verses: 2 John 9, Matthew 7:21, Mark 16:15-16, Matthew 28:19, John 8:40 and John 17:3, and pretend NOT to know them, what you really have is a FALSE expectation that you are saved. "

Ed, you being ignorant in your ideas of what I believe I'll go down the list for you.

2 john 9 I have not run ahead of Christ, I am keeping right in line with what he taught, it is you that have lost the saltiness of the gospel.

Matthew 7:21 I know this,a mouthly confession means nothing, for According to the bible God judges the heart, so I'll be in heaven.

Matthew 28:19 I do baptise, in the trinity name funny how you don't. It is not something required to be saved though. Don't remember the disciples getting baptised either, by water anyway.. :lol:

Mark 16..you know that this wasn't in the orginal manuscripts yet you base your WHOLE theology on this one verse that has no equal to it in the whole bible saying you must be baptised to be saved. Not smart at all.

John 8:40 this should be read with John 1:1 in mind, John already stated that Christ was divine. context.

John 17:3 Funny how this is the same at 8:40 to be read in context of what he has already stated in John 1:1 but then he goes on to say in 17:10 that everything God has Christ has, ie power, omnipotence..wow..wouldn't that make him..*gasp* God :lol: yeah, it would wouldn't it.He also says he is one with God...ie hint hint trinity.

[PrinceJeff]

Ed shut up already.

[LouisBooth]

Hey, Jeff as frustrating as he because he just doesn't "get it" we have to play nice ;)

[edpobre]

ZoneChaos,

I wrote: You may think you are saved because you were made to believe that by accepting Jesus as your Lord and savior you are saved.

You wrote:Jesus said as much.

Please show the scripture that supports your statement for the benefit of other readers.

I wrote: You may think you are a Christian because you were made to believe that character, love, peace and joy are trademarks of a Christian.

You wrote:They are evidence of a Christian life.

But these traits do NOT make anyone a TRUE Christian. The Bible teaches that disciples of Christ were first called Christians in Antioch (Acts 11:26). And disciples of Christ are those who believe in him and ABIDE in his words (John 8:31). Thus, only those who ABIDE in the DOCTRINE OF CHRIST are fit to be called Christians.

I wrote:But if you DON'T abide in the doctrine of Christ, will you be saved? NO way! Anyone who does NOT have God does NOT have the SON and does NOT have life (1 John 5:12).

You wrote:The doctrine of Salvation. is salvation. Obvioulsy if you do not have it, you are not saved.

What is that doctrine of salvation? Please show scripture to support your statement for the benefit of other readers.

I wrote: Jesus teaches that he is a MAN and the FATHER is the ONLY true God. Do you ABIDE in this doctrine?

You wrote:I was taught and beleive this...

Please be HONEST Zone. Do you HONESTLY believe this? In another topic, you posted that you believe Jesus is still God (cf. "Ed, what do you think - Part 2). How can you say you were taught and you believe that the FATHER is the ONLY true God, yet at the SAME time believe that the SON is still God?

I wrote:Jesus teaches that he who DOES the WILL of the Father will enter the knigdom of heaven. Do you ABIDE in this doctrine?

You wrote:Yep.. so far so good...

Eph. 1:9-10 NKJV:mad: (9)"having made known to us the mystery of His WILL, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, (10)that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might GATHER together in ONE all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth - in him."

Eph. 1:9-10 TEV:mad: (9)"God did what he had purposed, and made known to us the secret plan he had already decided to complete by means of Christ. (10) This plan, which God will complete when the time is right, is to bring all creation together, everything in heaven and on earth with Christ as HEAD."

John 11:51-52 TEV:mad: (51)"Actually he did not say this of his own accord; rather, as he was High Priest that year, he ws prophesying that Jesus was going to die for the Jewish people, (52)and not only for them, but also to bring together into ONE all the scattered people of God."

Col. 1:18:[.b] "And he is the of the BODY, the church...."[/i]

The WILL of the Father is to GATHER together into ONE BODY all those who will be saved. And that BODY is the church of Christ which Christ purchased with his own blood (Acts 20:28 LAMSA).

Have you been gathered INTO this ONE BODY Zone? What proof can you show that the ONE BODY where you believe you have been gathered into is the TRUE body of Christ?

I wrote: Jesus teaches that he who BELIEVES and is BAPTIZED will be saved. Do you ABIDE in this doctrine?

You wrote:Yes I do, though baptism does not save you.

How were you gathered into this ONE BODY or church Zone? Was it not through baptism? Can anyone be ADDED to a Seventh Day Adventist or a Baptist, or a Methodist church, etc. without baptism?

Jesus commanded his apostles to preach the gospel and said that anyone who believes AND is baptized will be saved (Mark 16:15-16).

Jesus commanded his apostles to make disciples of all nations BAPTIZING them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit (Matt. 28:19).

The apostles prached the gospel and those who believed were baptized and ADDED to them (Acts 2:38-41). And daily, they ADDED to the church those that were being saved (Acts 2:47).

How can one who is NOT baptized into the true BODY or church of Christ have God?

I wrote: Jesus teaches that he who ENTERS by him will be saved. Do you ABIDE in this doctrine?

[/b]You wrote:[/b]Interesting wording.. but if you mean that we are saved through Christ, then yes...

John 10:9: "I am the door. If anyone ENTERS by me, he will be saved..."

John 10:7: "Then Jesus said to them again, 'Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep."

Jesus is NOT saying that "we are saved through him." Jesus is saying that anyone who ENTERS by him will be saved. Clearly, Jesus is referring to ENTERING the sheepfold (John 10:1) or flock or church of Christ (Acts 20:28 LAMSA).

Have you entered the sheepfold by the doctrines of Christ Zone? How can one who doesn't believe what Jesus says have God?

[PrinceJeff]

Thus, only those who ABIDE in the DOCTRINE OF CHRIST are fit to be called Christians.

Proud to say I do that myself although not to perfection. None of us do.

Have you been gathered INTO this ONE BODY Zone? What proof can you show that the ONE BODY where you believe you have been gathered into is the TRUE body of Christ?


Show proof that he is not. Show proof that none of us are for that matter.

How can one who is NOT baptized into the true BODY or church of Christ have God?

If you are saved you are baptized by the Holy Spirit and you are not saved just by immersion. That is merely a public representation of what has already happened.

Have you entered the sheepfold by the doctrines of Christ Zone? How can one who doesn't believe what Jesus says have God?

ZC believes what Jesus said. So do I. We have entered and boy it is nice! :)

[ZoneChaos]

Please show the scripture that supports your statement for the benefit of other readers.

ok. first.. think aboutnwhat you said: "because you were made to believe that by accepting Jesus as your Lord and savior you are saved." Look closer... "accepting Jesus as SAVIOR...you are SAVED." That about sums it up right there. If this does not save you.. then who / what does? Obviously, to you, Jesus does not save.. which would follow statements I have heard from your church.. of coarse that is a false doctrine... Jesus does save, despite what you may beleive.

Now for a couple verses that support, and illustrate my statement:

Romans 10:13 "That If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

Romans 10:13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

That's it. Confess, beleive, accept as Lord... BAM! Ye be saved, brother. Oh, and by the way.. all of this is pretty much instantaneous.. not some drawn out process with approval hearings and probations...

But these traits do NOT make anyone a TRUE Christian.

No, they do not.

Do you HONESTLY believe this?

Yes.

How can you say you were taught and you believe that the FATHER is the ONLY true God, yet at the SAME time believe that the SON is still God?


IU thought you understood the trinity.. hm.. le tme say it this way.. I do beleive the Father is the only true God. I do beleive the Son is the only true God. I do beleive the spirit is the only true God. I do beleove that the Father, Son as Holy Spirit are 3 seperate "persons" (entities, etc...). I do beleive the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are the Only true God. I do belvie there is only one true living God. Do any of these statements (which do not contradict each other), contradict anything in the Bible?

Have you been gathered INTO this ONE BODY Zone? What proof can you show that the ONE BODY where you believe you have been gathered into is the TRUE body of Christ?


Ahh.. asking for proof you cannot show yourself? I canot show proof.. and I will admit that. I can only know me relationship with God is real. I can't prove it to you.. not objectively, which is what you are asking.

How were you gathered into this ONE BODY or church Zone?

Please refer to my first response in this post.

Was it not through baptism?

It was not. If it was.. would we need Jesus?

Can anyone be ADDED to a Seventh Day Adventist or a Baptist, or a Methodist church, etc. without baptism?

I would assume so.. but then are we talking about being a Christian or joining a membership of a denomination? I my self worship as a non-denominationalist. So I can't really speak for any of these.

Jesus commanded his apostles to preach the gospel and said that anyone who believes AND is baptized will be saved

Baptism always follows salvation.. it never come sbefoe.. Let me ask you.. was the thief on the cross saved? Can anyone on ther death bed.. seconds from dying be saved without getting up, finding a fountain, or lake, or toilet or drinking fountain and getting wet? Must people who beleive, but do not gt baptized before they have a chance to be ignored despite their belief?

How can one who is NOT baptized into the true BODY or church of Christ have God?


The same eay those woh are baptized are part of the Body... salvation.

[edpobre]

PrinceJeff,

I wrote: Thus, only those who ABIDE in the DOCTRINE OF CHRIST are fit to be called Christians.

You wrote:Proud to say I do that myself although not to perfection. None of us do.

Is Jesus God PrinceJeff? If you say he is, then you DON'T abide in Christ's doctrine that the FATHER is the ONLY true God. You may shout to the world that you have God but in the eyes of God, you HAVEN'T.

I wrote: Have you been gathered INTO this ONE BODY Zone? What proof can you show that the ONE BODY where you believe you have been gathered into is the TRUE body of Christ?

[/b]You wrote:[/b]Show proof that he is not. Show proof that none of us are for that matter.

You are NOT a member in particular of the TRUE body or church of Christ where I belong. Neither can you show proof that you are a member of the true body or church of Christ where you THINK you belong.

Is the "local" church of which you are now a member of, the true body or church of Christ?

I wrote: How can one who is NOT baptized into the true BODY or church of Christ have God?

You wrote:If you are saved you are baptized by the Holy Spirit and you are not saved just by immersion. That is merely a public representation of what has already happened.

Please show scripture to support your FALSE belief. Just as people of old were NOT saved from the flood because they did not enter the ark, nobody will be saved first before they are gathered into the body or church of Christ.

Jesus died for the church, his body (Eph. 5:25). Jesus purchsed the church, his body, with his own blood (Acts 20:2:cool: . Jesus is the SAVIOR of the church, his body (Eph. 5:23). It is only INSIDE the body or church of Christ where there is redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins (Col. 1:13-14).

Therefore, OUTSIDE the body or church of Christ, there is NO salvation. Thus, your doctrine is FALSE.

I wrote: Have you entered the sheepfold by the doctrines of Christ Zone? How can one who doesn't believe what Jesus says have God?

You wrote:ZC believes what Jesus said. So do I. We have entered and boy it is nice!

Ignorance is bliss PrinceJeff but that dos NOT guarantee salvation. As Jesus says, you will die in your sins because you do not believe.

Ed

[PrinceJeff]

Is Jesus God PrinceJeff? If you say he is, then you DON'T abide in Christ's doctrine that the FATHER is the ONLY true God. You may shout to the world that you have God but in the eyes of God, you HAVEN'T.

I have God. :)

You are NOT a member in particular of the TRUE body or church of Christ where I belong. Neither can you show proof that you are a member of the true body or church of Christ where you THINK you belong.

Yeah I know I am not a member of your denomination, Eddo. And I can give you plenty of proof, but as heretical as you are you would not believe me.

Is the "local" church of which you are now a member of, the true body or church of Christ?

Yes. :)

Please show scripture to support your FALSE belief. Just as people of old were NOT saved from the flood because they did not enter the ark, nobody will be saved first before they are gathered into the body or church of Christ.

My belief is not false. And when you are saved you enter the body of Christ.

Jesus died for the church, his body (Eph. 5:25). Jesus purchsed the church, his body, with his own blood (Acts 20:2 . Jesus is the SAVIOR of the church, his body (Eph. 5:23). It is only INSIDE the body or church of Christ where there is redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins (Col. 1:13-14).

Agreed there.

Therefore, OUTSIDE the body or church of Christ, there is NO salvation. Thus, your doctrine is FALSE.

I am not outside the body and neither are Louis, ZC, Josephus, Michael, or any other Christian here. And by the way I am not false.

Ignorance is bliss PrinceJeff but that dos NOT guarantee salvation. As Jesus says, you will die in your sins because you do not believe.

I do believe Ed and I am not ignorant so drop your slanderous statements. How much BS has Felix "The Cat" Manalo fed you?

[LouisBooth]

"Is Jesus God PrinceJeff? If you say he is, then you DON'T abide in Christ's doctrine that the FATHER is the ONLY true God. "

:lol: don't you see these aren't contracting statements...example: water is the only kind of H2O. Ice is also H2O..exactly the same thing..those statements don't contradict.

"Is the "local" church of which you are now a member of, the true body or church of Christ?"

Yes, from what I have read of PJ, it is. Where two or more are gathered together in his name.....

"Please show scripture to support your FALSE belief. "

Sure..it is written that Christ bapitses by the spirit and not with water..John the B said that himself.

[PrinceJeff]

You may shout to the world that you have God but in the eyes of God, you HAVEN'T.

How do you know what is in the eyes of God. You don't, therefore your statement is FALSE!

I do not understand you Edpobre. You start every thread out with "Dear Friends" but then you resort to such atrocities as calling us "blind" and "ignorant" among other things. You are nothing but a study on contradictions. The way you talk to us on here is very un-Christian. Hypocrite.

[Josephus]

I wonder ed, if you have a real relationship with God. What makes your relationship with God real? How do you know He's there?

[edpobre]

Josephus,

You wrote: I wonder ed, if you have a real relationship with God. What makes your relationship with God real? How do you know He's there?

Anyone can say he has a "real" relationship with God. But to US, the only "real" relationship with God is what the Bible says.

One can only have a "real" relationship with God when one has been reconciled to God and has made peace with Him.

Rom. 5:1 says: "... having been justified by FAITH, we have peace with God THROUGH our Lord Jesus Christ."

Rom. 5:9 says: "Much more then, having NOW been justified by his BLOOD, we shall be saved from wrath THROUGH him."

Rom. 5:10 says: ' "For if when we were enemies we were RECONCILED to God THROUGH the death of his son, much more, having been RECONCILED, we shall be savedby his life."

Rom. 5:11 says: "And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, THROUGH whom we have now received the RECONCILIATION."

You will note from these verses Josephus that for one to have a "real" relationship with God, one has to be "justified by faith." But is FAITH ALONE enough? No, you also have to be "justified by the blood" of Christ in order to be SAVED from the wrath of God.

Most people say that once they accept Jesus as their Lord and savior, they have been "justified by the blood" of Christ and now have a personal relationship with God - meaning Jesus.

This belief is FALSE! We do NOT make peace with Jesus. We make peace with God THROUGH Jesus. Jesus is NOT God. He is the ONLY mediator between God and man. And nobody can be "justified by the blood" of Jesus by merely "accepting Jesus as Lord and savior." This belief is NOT supported by the Bible.

Apostle Paul also says that those who have been "justified by faith and by the blood of Christ have now beemn RECONCILED to God. How were these people RECONCILED to God?

Eph. 2:15-16 sys: (15)"having abolished in his flesh the enmity, that is the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to a CREATE in himself ONE NEW MAN from the two, thus making PEACE, and that he might RECONCILE them both to God in ONE BODY through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity."

The Bible teaches that these people who were "justified by faith and by the blood of Christ" have made PEACE and have been RECONCILED to God in ONE BODY.

This ONE BODY is the church of which Christ is the HEAD (Col. 1:1:cool: . Apostle Paul called members of this church, "churches of Christ" (Rom. 16:16) or IGLESIA NI CRISTO in Pilipino or its equivalent in Hebrew or Greek.

These members did NOT belong to different denominations or sects. They were NOT divided. They had ONE faith, ONE hope, ONE baptism, ONE God the Father who is above all, and ONE Lord, Jesus Christ (Eph. 4:4-6; 1 Cor. 8:6).

These members NOT only believed the gospel preached by apostles Peter and Paul. They were also baptized and ADDED to the church (Acts 2:41, 47).

Was this church a "universal, spiritual and invisible church" as Protestant pastors and evangelists teach? Definirtely NOT! The Bible teaches that "...At that time a great persecution arose against the church which was in Jerusalem; and they were all scattered throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria, except the apostles. As for Saul, he made havoc of the church, entering every house, and dragging off men and women, committing them to prison." (Acts 8:1, 3).

Where do you find those who have "real" relationship with God the Father and with Jesus Christ, the Son of God? They are found in the only ONE BODY of Christ or only ONE church of Christ.

That church is the IGLESIA NI CRISTO where I am a particular member of.

Ed

[swimmase]

audio prophecy "swimmase, that is an excellent quote from the bible"

thanks - i think it's one that should be brought out a bit more:)

[ZoneChaos]

That church is the IGLESIA NI CRISTO where I am a particular member of.

Well.. since Paul seems to be a meber, long befroe the organization existed, that bares the name "IGLESIA NI CRISTO", then are you saying that anyone who is a Christian is a member of IGLESIA NI CRISTO? That it doe snot matter fi they attend a church with that marquee above the door, so long as they beleive as Paul did?

[PrinceJeff]

Anyone can say he has a "real" relationship with God. But to US, the only "real" relationship with God is what the Bible says.

Anyone with a 75 IQ knows that, Ed.

One can only have a "real" relationship with God when one has been reconciled to God and has made peace with Him.

See my above statement.

You will note from these verses Josephus that for one to have a "real" relationship with God, one has to be "justified by faith." But is FAITH ALONE enough? No, you also have to be "justified by the blood" of Christ in order to be SAVED from the wrath of God.

Ed you just contradicted yourself. :lol:

Most people say that once they accept Jesus as their Lord and savior, they have been "justified by the blood" of Christ and now have a personal relationship with God - meaning Jesus.

This belief is FALSE! We do NOT make peace with Jesus. We make peace with God THROUGH Jesus. Jesus is NOT God. He is the ONLY mediator between God and man. And nobody can be "justified by the blood" of Jesus by merely "accepting Jesus as Lord and savior." This belief is NOT supported by the Bible.

Jesus is God, and you know it. 1 John 5:7 Says Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one. Are you trying to say we literally need the blood poured on us? Your idea is the one that is false and heretical.

Apostle Paul also says that those who have been "justified by faith and by the blood of Christ have now beemn RECONCILED to God. How were these people RECONCILED to God?

By faith which is accepting that his blood was shed for you.

The Bible teaches that these people who were "justified by faith and by the blood of Christ" have made PEACE and have been RECONCILED to God in ONE BODY.

This ONE BODY is the church of which Christ is the HEAD (Col. 1:1 . Apostle Paul called members of this church, "churches of Christ" (Rom. 16:16) or IGLESIA NI CRISTO in Pilipino or its equivalent in Hebrew or Greek.

Iglesia Ni Cristo is a literal translation like "feliz cumpleanos" is "happy birthday". The Iglesia Ni Cristo as you belong to is a denomination and more accurately a cult which has brainwashed you to hades and back.

Where do you find those who have "real" relationship with God the Father and with Jesus Christ, the Son of God? They are found in the only ONE BODY of Christ or only ONE church of Christ.

That church is the IGLESIA NI CRISTO where I am a particular member of.

Ed again it is a denomination. Jesus built his church, not Felix Manalo, a loon who claimed to be the 5th angel in revelation. Why have you bought into this horse manure?

[savinggrc]

No, don't have God. He has me and isn't that a much better thing!!! :D

[PrinceJeff]

Good point there! :cool:

[savinggrc]

Thanks Prince...I have my moments...;)

[LouisBooth]

"But is FAITH ALONE enough? "

Yes, that's why Paul wrote this.."For by grace you have been saved, through faith and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-Not by works, so that no one can boast."

Do you realize that you are limiting God by saying we have to do something else? You're saying God couldn't save us, we have to help. This is NOT biblical.

"Where do you find those who have "real" relationship with God the Father and with Jesus Christ, the Son of God? They are found in the only ONE BODY of Christ or only ONE church of Christ. "

That's right, and the ONLY thing that you have to do to get into it are believe. You don't have to go to any specific church, for that is limiting God. You're wrong in your theology ed, the bible clearly shows that.

[PrinceJeff]

He is wrong in more than theology. :lol:

[edpobre]

LouisBooth/PrinceJeff,

How can you believe your theology is right when you don't even have faith and trust in what Jesus says?

Jesus says he is a MAN (John 8:40) and the FATHER is the ONLY true God (John 17:3). But you don't believe him! You believe Thomas and Isaiah more than him. Yet you say you accept Jesus as your LORD and EXPECT him to save you.

Is this your way of showing Jesus how you trust him and accept his authority over you as your LORD? And you want me to think and behave like you?

Ed

[ZoneChaos]

Ed.. who has denied beleif in the scriptures you posted above? Me? LB? Who? We accept that Jesus is a man.. we accept that the Fathe ris the inly true God. I have said this many times, and yet you still claim that we do not believe what we keep saying we beleive.

Also, thre are a few posts of mine you have not responded to...

[PrinceJeff]

How can you believe your theology is right when you don't even have faith and trust in what Jesus says?

I ask you the same question. By the way I do believe what he says. Get your facts straight.

Jesus says he is a MAN (John 8:40) and the FATHER is the ONLY true God (John 17:3). But you don't believe him! You believe Thomas and Isaiah more than him. Yet you say you accept Jesus as your LORD and EXPECT him to save you.

1 John 5:7 says the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one. Are you calling John a liar? Oh by the way Ed, He has already saved me and is my Lord.

Is this your way of showing Jesus how you trust him and accept his authority over you as your LORD? And you want me to think and behave like you?

We don't think and behave like a heretic (you), who says his little group of people with some misinterpreted marquee above their church door is the only people who are saved. We also do not behave like someone who denies scriptures and prooftexts the Word to fit his FALSE beliefs. We also don't call people names like you do. We do not exclude anyone from Heaven just because they do not worship as we do.

Oh yeah Ed you have ducked me in the past before as well. And your arguments are useless and wrong.

[edpobre]

ZoneChaos,

You wrote: Well.. since Paul seems to be a meber, long befroe the organization existed, that bares the name "IGLESIA NI CRISTO", then are you saying that anyone who is a Christian is a member of IGLESIA NI CRISTO? That it doe snot matter fi they attend a church with that marquee above the door, so long as they beleive as Paul did?

No Zone. I'm not saying that anyone who is a "Christian" is a member of Iglesia Ni Cristo. On the contrary, what I'm saying is anyone who is a member of the Iglesia Ni Cristo is a TRUE Christian.

And only members of the Iglesia Ni Cristo believe as Paul did. Paul believed that for Christians, there is only one God and that is the Father. The Iglesia Ni Cristo in these last days believe in that too.

Ed

[edpobre]

Savinggrc,

You wrote: No, don't have God. He has me and isn't that a much better thing!!!

I'm afraid you have been DECEIVED into believing this LIE.

The Bible says that he who "does NOT abide in the doctrine of Christ does NOT have God. He who ABIDES in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son" (2 John 9).

It follows that anyone who does NOT have God does NOT have the son as well. And anyone who does NOT have the son does NOT have life (1 John 5:12).

I can't see how someone who does NOT have God can claim that God has him or her. I can only feel sorry for someone who believes in this LIE.

Ed

[edpobre]

ZoneChaos,

You wrote: Ed.. who has denied beleif in the scriptures you posted above? Me? LB? Who? We accept that Jesus is a man.. we accept that the Fathe ris the inly true God. I have said this many times, and yet you still claim that we do not believe what we keep saying we beleive.

You say you accept Jesus is a man and you accept that the Father is the only true God.

You also said so many times that Jesus is NOT the Father and the Father is NOT Jesus.

Yet you INSIST that Jesus is God?

Do you and LB TRULY believe what you keep saying you believe?

Please enlighten us again why you say Jesus, the SON, is God despite YOUR saying that the FATHER is the ONLY true God.

Ed

[edpobre]

PrinceJeff,

I wrote: How can you believe your theology is right when you don't even have faith and trust in what Jesus says?

Your reply:I ask you the same question. By the way I do believe what he says. Get your facts straight.

If you TRULY believe that Jesus is a MAN (John 8:40) and the FATHER is the ONLY true God (John 17:3) because Jesus said these, why do you PERSIST in your doctrine that Jesus is God? Are you being honest or are you simply a hypocrital blind fanatic?

I wrote:Jesus says he is a MAN (John 8:40) and the FATHER is the ONLY true God (John 17:3). But you don't believe him! You believe Thomas and Isaiah more than him. Yet you say you accept Jesus as your LORD and EXPECT him to save you.

Your reply:1 John 5:7 says the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one. Are you calling John a liar? Oh by the way Ed, He has already saved me and is my Lord.

YOU are the LIAR PJ. the verse does NOT say that all three are one "God." Read the verse again and you will SEE (if you are not blind and ignorant) that there is a period AFTER the word "one."

And no matter how loudly you may shout that Jesus has already saved you, you CANNOT change what the Bible says: "...he who does NOT believe is condemned already..." (John 3:1:cool: .

And there is a world of difference between your saying that Jesus is your Lord and Jesus believing that you have TRULY accepted him as your Lord. Listen to what Jesus says to you: "But why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do NOT do the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46) Anyone who HEARS these sayings of mine and does NOT do them, will be like a foolish man..." (Matt. 7:26).

I wrote: Is this your way of showing Jesus how you trust him and accept his authority over you as your LORD? And you want me to think and behave like you?

Your reply:We don't think and behave like a heretic (you), who says his little group of people with some misinterpreted marquee above their church door is the only people who are saved. We also do not behave like someone who denies scriptures and prooftexts the Word to fit his FALSE beliefs. We also don't call people names like you do. We do not exclude anyone from Heaven just because they do not worship as we do.

YOU have been the one calling Bro. Manalo and me names. I only quote what the Bible says about people like you.

You say you do not behave like someone who denies scriptures yet you deny John 8:40 and John 17:3 which say that Jesus is a MAN and the FATHER (not the son) is the ONLY true God.

You say you do not behave like someone who prooftexts the Word to fit his FALSE beliefs yet you prooftext 1 John 5:7 and ADD the word "God" after the sentence to make the verse FIT your FALSE Trinity belief. You also substitute the word "Jesus" for "word" in John 1:1 to make the verse FIT your FALSE belief that Jesus is God. Who is the LIAR and the LOON PJ?

Ed

[ZoneChaos]

No Zone. I'm not saying that anyone who is a "Christian" is a member of Iglesia Ni Cristo. On the contrary, what I'm saying is anyone who is a member of the Iglesia Ni Cristo is a TRUE Christian.

What came first, the True Christian or the "Iglesia Ni Cristo"?

[ZoneChaos]

You say you accept Jesus is a man and you accept that the Father is the only true God.

Yes.

You also said so many times that Jesus is NOT the Father and the Father is NOT Jesus.

Yes.

Yet you INSIST that Jesus is God?

Yes.

Do you and LB TRULY believe what you keep saying you believe?


Yes.

Please enlighten us again why you say Jesus, the SON, is God despite YOUR saying that the FATHER is the ONLY true God.

Why use the word "Despite" both statements are true.

The Father is the ONLY true God (for the is only one God) and the Son is also the ONLY true God. The Father and Son are not the same, but they are the same God.

[ZoneChaos]

YOU are the LIAR PJ. the verse does NOT say that all three are one "God." Read the verse again and you will SEE (if you are not blind and ignorant) that there is a period AFTER the word "one."

"the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. "

Did PJ say there was not a period? I am lost as to why you think this important in your argument against PJ.

Anyway, there is teh verse above... 3 are 1 is what it says...

John list the three persons of the trinity then adds a colon. the colon says: "what about these three persons listed?"

John then asnwers: "these three are one."

How are you reading it, Ed?

[edpobre]

ZoneChaos,

You wrote: The Father is the ONLY true God (for the is only one God) and the Son is also the ONLY true God. The Father and Son are not the same, but they are the same God.

You are telling us that "the FATHER is the ONLY true God" means that the Father is "only one God" among "three ONLY true Gods". Thus, you believe that the SON is ALSO the ONLY true God. And I presume you will also tell me that the Holy Spirit is ALSO the ONLY true God. I haven't heard a more TWISTED interpretation of a verse to FIT a FALSE doctrine.

Apostle Paul says, "...there is ONLY one God, the FATHER" (1 Cor. 8:6). Taken with John 17:3, it's CLEAR that the ONLY one TRUE God is the Father. And taking John 8:40 with these verses, it is CLEAR that Jesus is a MAN - NOT God.

Ed

[PrinceJeff]

I'm afraid you have been DECEIVED into believing this LIE.

It isn't a lie Ed.

The Bible says that he who "does NOT abide in the doctrine of Christ does NOT have God. He who ABIDES in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son" (2 John 9).

We do not abide in YOUR doctrine that says only his little group are true Christians. True Christians do NOT exclude other groups/denominations just because they do not believe the exact same as you. And seeing as you think we are nothing but sinners and on our way to hell just because we are not in the Iglesia Ni Cristo, you are in the wrong.

It follows that anyone who does NOT have God does NOT have the son as well. And anyone who does NOT have the son does NOT have life (1 John 5:12).

I have all this! God is good! :)

I can't see how someone who does NOT have God can claim that God has him or her. I can only feel sorry for someone who believes in this LIE.

She did not say she doesn't have God Ed do not put words in her mouth. Does God have you? The way you talk you berate everyone I say not. Nor does He have you.
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You say you accept Jesus is a man and you accept that the Father is the only true God. You also said so many times that Jesus is NOT the Father and the Father is NOT Jesus. Yet you INSIST that Jesus is God?

That is right we have all said this because the Bible, while not saying it verbatim, clearly describes it.

Do you and LB TRULY believe what you keep saying you believe? Please enlighten us again why you say Jesus, the SON, is God despite YOUR saying that the FATHER is the ONLY true God.

Ice, water, and water vapor are different things, but are they three seperate waters? No they are all the three entities of water. Ask ZC about Homousion (sp?) and you will understand.
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If you TRULY believe that Jesus is a MAN (John 8:40) and the FATHER is the ONLY true God (John 17:3) because Jesus said these, why do you PERSIST in your doctrine that Jesus is God? Are you being honest or are you simply a hypocrital blind fanatic?

Well seeing as I am not blind nor hypocritical or a fanatic, I guess I am being honest about the truth!

YOU are the LIAR PJ. the verse does NOT say that all three are one "God." Read the verse again and you will SEE (if you are not blind and ignorant) that there is a period AFTER the word "one."

Again Ed I am not a liar so quit saying so, nor am I blind and ignorant. Why do you resort to this anyways Ed. I know I haven't exactly been Christ-like in discussing with you, but you won't get through to anyone at all if you call names. Again my regrets for my part.

Anyways, I do not see that just because of the period it rebukes my argument.

And no matter how loudly you may shout that Jesus has already saved you, you CANNOT change what the Bible says: "...he who does NOT believe is condemned already..." John 3:18.

Ed, I do believe despite what you say. You do not know my heart. God does.

And there is a world of difference between your saying that Jesus is your Lord and Jesus believing that you have TRULY accepted him as your Lord. Listen to what Jesus says to you: "But why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do NOT do the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46) Anyone who HEARS these sayings of mine and does NOT do them, will be like a foolish man..." (Matt. 7:26).

You are the one saying I am not doing what Jesus says, not him. I know my relationship with God is real and that he is my Lord and Savior and that I am doing my best to stay within His will.

YOU have been the one calling Bro. Manalo and me names. I only quote what the Bible says about people like you.

You have been calling us names as well. Again I reiterate my apoligies for not being Christ-like in this discussion. And the quotes you give are not about people like me.

You say you do not behave like someone who denies scriptures yet you deny John 8:40 and John 17:3 which say that Jesus is a MAN and the FATHER (not the son) is the ONLY true God.

I do not deny these scriptures, Ed.

You say you do not behave like someone who prooftexts the Word to fit his FALSE beliefs yet you prooftext 1 John 5:7 and ADD the word "God" after the sentence to make the verse FIT your FALSE Trinity belief. You also substitute the word "Jesus" for "word" in John 1:1 to make the verse FIT your FALSE belief that Jesus is God. Who is the LIAR and the LOON PJ?

I did not add the word at the end of the verse. You said I did. That is putting words in my mouth. Bad thing really. And the Trinity is not a false doctrine. 1 John 5:7 fits quite well! And I did not substitute "Jesus" for "Word" in John 1:1. You don't exactly need a Ph.D in Religion to see John 1:1-5 & John 1:10-14 as meaning Jesus is God in the flesh.

You are telling us that "the FATHER is the ONLY true God" means that the Father is "only one God" among "three ONLY true Gods". Thus, you believe that the SON is ALSO the ONLY true God. And I presume you will also tell me that the Holy Spirit is ALSO the ONLY true God. I haven't heard a more TWISTED interpretation of a verse to FIT a FALSE doctrine.

No I am not telling you that Father, Son, and Spirit are three Gods. By the way, my view is not twisted or false.

Apostle Paul says, "...there is ONLY one God, the FATHER" (1 Cor. 8:6). Taken with John 17:3, it's CLEAR that the ONLY one TRUE God is the Father. And taking John 8:40 with these verses, it is CLEAR that Jesus is a MAN - NOT God.

You put a limit on God by saying he cannot become flesh himself.

Ed, to end this post I will say some of my replies were not Christ-like at all and for that I apologize. But do not do things like starting your topics with "Dear Friends" then later on call us blind, fanatical, ignorant hypocrites, expecting us to be kind to you. If you think we are wrong just say that. Don't call us names. And I won't either.


In Christ,

Jeff

[ZoneChaos]

You are telling us that "the FATHER is the ONLY true God" means that the Father is "only one God" among "three ONLY true Gods".

That is incorrect... there are not multiple Gods... there is only one God.

When I say "the father is the only true God" I am saying that He is the Only true God.. I am not saying He is one of three Gods. All three, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, are the only one and true God.

I am not saying that the Father is only one God among three Gods. I am saying the Fasther, is the True God.. and so is Jesus and the Spirit they all three are the one and same true and only God.

Thus, you believe that the SON is ALSO the ONLY true God.

This I do beleive.

And I presume you will also tell me that the Holy Spirit is ALSO the ONLY true God.

Yes.

I haven't heard a more TWISTED interpretation of a verse to FIT a FALSE doctrine.

What verse is that? Are you talking about John 17:3 - "17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."?

I interperate that verese as saying that the Father is the only true God, and that iut was the Father that sent Jesus, the Son. Nothing more.. nothing less. Am I wrong in my interpretation?

Please show me where i have twisted scripture and tell me the scripture I have twisted.

Apostle Paul says, "...there is ONLY one God, the FATHER" (1 Cor. 8:6). Taken with John 17:3, it's CLEAR that the ONLY one TRUE God is the Father.

Yes it is clear. But, this verse does not say that the only the Father is God, it says that the Fathe ris the Only God. Big diferecne there.

And taking John 8:40 with these verses, it is CLEAR that Jesus is a MAN - NOT God.

This verse doe snot say that Jesus is not God.. and many other verses show that He is. I do not oubt that Jesus was a man.. but I also do no doubt that Jesus was God.

[edpobre]

ZoneChaos,

You wrote: What verse is that? Are you talking about John 17:3 - "17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."?

I interperate that verese as saying that the Father is the only true God, and that iut was the Father that sent Jesus, the Son. Nothing more.. nothing less. Am I wrong in my interpretation?

Please show me where i have twisted scripture and tell me the scripture I have twisted.

Look at the following exchange if YOUR interpretation is TWISTED or NOT:
Quote:

I wrote: Apostle Paul says, "...there is ONLY one God, the FATHER" (1 Cor. 8:6). Taken with John 17:3, it's CLEAR that the ONLY one TRUE God is the Father.

Your reply:Yes it is clear. But, this verse does not say that the only the Father is God, it says that the Fathe ris the Only God. Big diferecne there

Need I say more?

For your information Zone, the Bible identifies the Father ONLY as the ONLY ONE God. Please read Isaiah 43:10; Isaiah 44:8; Isaiah 46:9; Isaiah 63:16; Isaiah 64:8; Malachi 2:10 and 1 Cor. 8:6.

There is NOTHING in the Bible which identifies the son as the only one God. It's only in the imagination of Trinitarians who would TWIST the Bible anyway they can to maker it fit their FALSE man-made doctrine.

Ed

[ZoneChaos]

Need I say more?

yes you need to say more. I did not twist scripture... and you are claiming I did. show me where i did...

Paul said that the Father is the Only god. I said this. How is that a twist of scripture?

"This verse does not say that the only the Father is God,"

"it says that the Father is the Only God. Big diference there."

Do you not see the the differences in these two statemens I made here?

The first limits God to only one person... the second limits the number of Gods to only one. The frist leaves no room for the trinity, the second doesn't say anything about the trinity of the One god is speaks about, one way or another. Which statement do you think Paul is saying in the verse? And show me, grammatically.

Father ONLY as the ONLY ONE God.

Show me in the other thread. Te verses you gave there do not show this.... I am still waiting for you to present one that does.

There is NOTHING in the Bible which identifies the son as the only one God. It's only in the imagination of Trinitarians who would TWIST the Bible anyway they can to maker it fit their FALSE man-made doctrine.


First, there is based upon interpretation, which is the issue here. Second, why would "trinitarians" need, want, or desitre to create a false doctrine of the Trinity? What is the purpose of creating it?

[LouisBooth]

I guess ed, you still haven't read that verse in col. that I mentioned..hmm?????

[Flower]

I think this is pretty easy to understand with the scripture speaking very plainly in this verse.

1 John 5:7
Fro there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

I mean did it not say it right there, that these THREE are one?

The Word we know is Jesus.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2. He was in the beginning with God.

14. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

[LouisBooth]

funny how the author of 1 John says it again in his closing statements...