I saw Yeshua Jesus Messiah and heard his voice.

[vincejohn]

I am a practising non denominational person. I keep the commandments as best as I can and believe in Holy Yeshua Jesus Messiah.
In 1988 I lost my wife and sister. After 10 days from the funderal I cried out to Jesus to save me from the grief and pain. Immediately on my cry the spirit of God came and healed my grief and filled me with hope and peace as well as the realisation that God is real. In 1999 while in prayer and meditation I was transported in vision/soul? before the throne of Yeshua Jesus Christ. He had no beard and a crown on his head. I saw his face and eyes. There were no words spoken but the Lord communicated many things to me.
In 2000 while my second wife was in hospital fighting cancer I entered a low period but never lost faith. At that point of low in the presence of a family relative at home we heard the Lords voice....twice deep and low '' I love you''....'' I love you'' it shook the whole house and my relative told me never to tell anyone..but now I have....I love you Holy Father Of Jesus Yeshua Mesiah and the Holy Spirit of God. love Vince.

[savedbyfaithinchrist]

PRAISE GOD NEVER BE AFRAID NEVER GIVE IN TO THE WORLD BROTHER WE LOVE YOU JESUS

[revrobor]

I understand what your family relative was saying. You will be ridiculed by fellow "Christians" because you have the courage to say you have seen Jesus face-to-face or heard from Him. I have been ridiculed because God has chosen to allow me to hear from Him in words and have shared this with fellow "Christians". Bless you Brother. And keep praising Him.

[Godslilgurlalways]

Umm.. I am not sure if you have heard this or not: But we never had seen Jesus in his fullness why: b/c our bodies wouldn't know how to act we have so much sin it would kill us. To be in the fullness of him.Question: did you think about comparing what you saw to what is in the book of relvations about his hair being curly and wooly. It is very breif but that might help.I am not saying it's true I just wondering how what you said could happen even if no man alive have seen him in his fullness not even Moses , God talked to him but never showed him the fullness of him.

[Prophet01]

Isnt it the most wonderful feeling to be in the presence of the lord?

I too have been face to face, well my face to his feet, with the lord.

I had been suffering a lot with my own failings, my sinfulness and lack of faith, I then had a vision, I was standing in my friends back garden, I heard a voice singing hymns, I turned and thought it was my dad, wondering what he was doing in my friends back garden I walked towards him.

Suddenly a mighty powerful wind criculated around me, it didnt seem to be coming from anywhere or going anywhere it just surrounded me and pinned me to the same point, I fought hard against it desperate to get to the person singing, eventually I just gave up opening my arms and enjoying the emense strengh of the wind, such a feeling of joy came over me, I had never experienced anything like it, nor have I since.

Then gradually what i now believe through scripture was the holy spirit started lifting me up, further and further, above the houses, higher and higher to what I can only describe as a "great hight" surrounded in darkness and on all fours looking down I could see the streets and the people going about with their lives, I noticed they all had black clokes on and cast black shadows, I felt such a strong sense of love for them and also a deep sorrow.

I then felt a strong presence behind me, afraid I slowly turned around not daring to look up, there amidst the darkness was a pair of ankles and feet beneath a white robe and an emense light eminated from him that forced out the darkness, whilest on all fours, knowing who it was I cried out, lord have mercy on the world for they are shrouded in sin, suddenly I noticed that I too cast a shadow and had on me a black cloke.

With an almighty cry I fell flat onto his feet saying lord have mercy on me for I too am shrouded in sin, noticing my tears were falling on him and I didnt want to Dirty him with my sinfulness I raised myself up slightly and started drying the tears on his feet, then without warning i felt a hand gently resting on my head and I stopped drying his feet, amazed that he would lay his perfect sinless hand on me.

No words can describe the feeling of forgivness and mercy, no words can describe that feeling of love, my tears of sadness and sorrow turned to unstoppable tears of joy, joy beyond joy - suddenly I was back in the real world, tears of joy, amazment, happiness, love, every possitive emotion i can think of streaming down my face, I could hardly get my breath...... I have been christian ever since.

[vincejohn]

Prophet 1 that was an almighty true vision you had and thankyou for sharing it with us. The book of Revelations talks of God the Father and of the Lamb Jesus Yeshua. I saw Yeshua Jesus not the Father as only Yeshua can see the Father for us, but when I looked in the eyes of our Lord for a moment I saw His our Father also. The eyes of yeshua were endless and I fell before his throne naked in spirit with all my sins revealed to me. I was unable to talk. As prophet 1 said I later came back into the real world full of faith and strength and AWE.
Since the events of the Holy Spirit, The Vision, The Voice I have been persecuted by many people, some family, strangers. I have been called the most horrible things from Satan to totally insane. But what I have seen and heard and experienced is God and though it is uncomfortable to reveal these personal events in my life I know that Gods' children will listen to them as golden precious things that help us have more faith and hope in the word of God. I am also a sinner fighting sin daily. And when you have had these profound experiences the devil works overtime to hurt you and lead you away using many means. I love you all for your ears and kindness and truly you here have been the most kind in your responses to what I have told you Yeshua Jesus bless and keep you all and pray for me and my family also..love vince.

[vincejohn]

The Son of God was on a throne wearing a white robe with a golden crown. His hair was fair coloured up to just below his neck not too long and not short. He had no beard and his face was chiseled very strong looking in appearance like a young Marlon Brando except for His endless undescribable eyes.

[RichardT]

I am a practising non denominational person. I keep the commandments as best as I can and believe in Holy Yeshua Jesus Messiah.
In 1988 I lost my wife and sister. After 10 days from the funderal I cried out to Jesus to save me from the grief and pain. Immediately on my cry the spirit of God came and healed my grief and filled me with hope and peace as well as the realisation that God is real. In 1999 while in prayer and meditation I was transported in vision/soul? before the throne of Yeshua Jesus Christ. He had no beard and a crown on his head. I saw his face and eyes. There were no words spoken but the Lord communicated many things to me.
In 2000 while my second wife was in hospital fighting cancer I entered a low period but never lost faith. At that point of low in the presence of a family relative at home we heard the Lords voice....twice deep and low '' I love you''....'' I love you'' it shook the whole house and my relative told me never to tell anyone..but now I have....I love you Holy Father Of Jesus Yeshua Mesiah and the Holy Spirit of God. love Vince.

?? This was a vision ? Or a dream ? How did you see them ?

[Artificial Intelligence]

Umm.. I am not sure if you have heard this or not: But we never had seen Jesus in his fullness why: b/c our bodies wouldn't know how to act we have so much sin it would kill us. Actually, we are now new creations and all our sins have been washed away (all). If it were not so than John would have died and not stuck around long enough to write Revelation. John even says this in "1John 3:9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God." The question would be do we live under the old school master, the law, or do we live in Christ who fulfilled the law.

As for the op, this is fully possible, in fact I've heard his voice but have not been caught up in the spirit to the throne... not yet at least.

[heyder]

Wow, some amazing stories.

I am undecided as to wether or not God can be seen or heard right now. I am leaning towards you can but nothing in the bible indicates this is true. I too have had contact with what I believe was Jesus but I always wonder if it was just my imagination. It happened way before I was saved and at a time of my life's lowest moment. His language was not english but his words were direct to my soul and instantly understood. In fact the only real proof to myself that it was God's voice is that everything I later learned about him was felt through his voice before I knew him.

This happened in my late teenage years when I was very young and foolish. I had just the worst life in my opinion and was attempting to end it. I won't go into any more details except to say he stepped in and spoke to me. His voice gave me purpose and a belief that I was to remain alive to fulfill my destiny or service to him.

This isn't a story I share often but the web is anonymous enough to make me feel comfortable sharing.

He hasn't been back and it's been about 13 years since then.

[Godslilgurlalways]

Actually, we are now new creations and all our sins have been washed away (all). If it were not so than John would have died and not stuck around long enough to write Revelation. John even says this in "1John 3:9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God." The question would be do we live under the old school master, the law, or do we live in Christ who fulfilled the law.

As for the op, this is fully possible, in fact I've heard his voice but have not been caught up in the spirit to the throne... not yet at least.

Oh.. I know we can hear God, but I was saying to see him in his fulness, I have a question for you not trying to debate or anything but than why do we need to repent or ask for forgiveness. I get what you are saying I am just trying to understand I am not saying we can't see him b/c we can but to see him in his fullness. Another how come when the spirit of God comes upon a person it makes them weak and most fall in his presence.

[Artificial Intelligence]

Oh.. I know we can hear God, but I was saying to see him in his fulness, I have a question for you not trying to debate or anything but than why do we need to repent or ask for forgiveness. I get what you are saying I am just trying to understand I am not saying we can't see him b/c we can but to see him in his fullness. Another how come when the spirit of God comes upon a person it makes them weak and most fall in his presence.Well John did, didn't he? John is just like you and I; born again from God. Did he not see Jesus in his glory?

To repent means to turn away from something. We still battle with the old nature, we do the things we don't want to do, but eagerly look for the transformation of the body which will be perfect. It's not a matter of nailing Jesus up to the cross once again (and every time), it's a matter of doing what is pleasing towards God now that all our sin have been paid for and washed away. This should not drive us to do wrong, but be thankful for what we have received and to do good by this.

[vincejohn]

The vision on the throne was not a dream it occured as I was praying and in meditation. The voice occured in the presence of another person . '' The pure in heart will see God'' God blessed me and I feel like the richest person in the world even though I suffer.
God loves me and will love all who keep his commandments and the testimony of Yeshua Jesus as written in Revelations, but sadly today most are slaves of man made doctrines and denominations and fail to attain the blessings and communications of our Lord, why? because they are sinners and lawbreakers having interpreted the teachings of Paul as total distortions teaching to keep the commandments of men instead of God. I have found the way and the life and it is a road of pain and grief but I know that I will never die or suffer damnation.

[FreedIntheLord]

As to seeing the Lord, He did reveal Himself to His disicples after He was raised from the dead. He revealed Himself to Mary Magdalene, He was with the men on the Ameaus Road and then He was with others as well. He ate fish and honeycomb and He showed His wounds to Thomas and told him to put his hands in the wounds. So, yes, I believe He will show Himself to them He will. But, the face of God, as with Moses, we are not able to look upon. Maybe after we die and go to Heaven to stay. Not sure about that, but that is what I believe I have read in the scriptures.

I was caught up in His presense about 23 years ago. I was grieving very hard because my exhusband had left me. I wanted to die, but I did not want to commit suicide. I prayed so hard to die. I went to bed and in the night I was awakened and I was out of my body in the Heavens. All I could see was as glistening light as snow everywhere, no person, no angels. But, the voice of the Lord came through me and told me that all I had done was forgiven. He told me it was not my time yet and something else and I went back into my body. It still gives me great comfort. I hope it gives hope to somebody else, too! Jesus loves us all and if we need Him, He is there. That is my testimony, stick to yours! We are witnesses for the Lord.

God Bless,

FreedIntheLord

[AllMyPraise]

Today, with the pressures of the world against Christians and the Bible, believers, young and old, need to be encouraged to be open to God-given dreams and visions. The Holy Spirit wants to use them to encourage us to trust God, believe His Word, and rejoice in the hope of the future that His Word promises.

Does the Holy Spirit still give believers visions and dreams?
Joel 2:28, Joel prophesied that the Holy Spirit would give believers visions and dreams when God would pour out His Spirit on all flesh. On the Day of Pentecost, Peter, exercising the gift of prophecy, confirmed Joel’s promise, "Your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams" (Acts 2:17).

[vincejohn]

Amen my brothers and sisters. love vince

[Antoinette.Marie]

Wow. What beautiful stories. Praise God and all His glory!!!

[CrazyforYeshua]

God meets us at our need. I have been spoken to by God many times, been given visions and words of knowledge and prophecies. I truly believe if Yeshua wants to, He can reveal Himself, in any way He sees fit.If someone tells me they have seen the Lord, I give them the benefit of the doubt, and rejoice with them. I would never tell someone no, you didn't. That's between them and the Lord, and He isn't going to minister to me the same way He ministers to someone else, we're all different. So, how could I say they didn't?

[Prophet01]

You could describe my "vision" as a dream but I was semi Awake, never the less through out the bible, God uses dreams, David, Peter, Jeremiah, Joseph so on and so forth.

An apperition of a heavenly creature, or our lord himself would be remarkable, they carry mostly warnings for the world and visible manifestions are often given as signs, Loureds and Fatima spring imediatly to mind.

[Artificial Intelligence]

An apperition of a heavenly creature, or our lord himself would be remarkable, they carry mostly warnings for the world and visible manifestions are often given as signs, Loureds and Fatima spring imediatly to mind.Speaking of Fatima, don’t forget that fallen angels can make themselves out to whatever they want themselves to be. If it doesn’t jive with scripture 100% we should pay no attention to the message. Joseph Smith comes to mind as well as a host of others.

[Prophet01]

speaking of fatima and fallen angels in the same breath is wrong, fallen angels want to destroy our faith, not strenghen it by amazing healings, jesus has always been acussed of that.. he drives out demons by the power of satan - whats up with that, isnt our lords response enough?

[stone]

What color is his hair?

[Artificial Intelligence]

he drives out demons by the power of satan - I'm sure you meant by the power of Jesus? BTW, so did non-believers do the same as recorded in Acts in regards to driving out evil spirits.

Acts:19:13Some Jews who went around driving out evil spirits tried to invoke the name of the Lord Jesus over those who were demon-possessed. They would say, "In the name of Jesus, whom Paul preaches, I command you to come out." 14Seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, were doing this.

Note that they were in fact driving out evil spirits. Of course they were risking a beating by doing this and one day they received that beating by an evil spirit. Also, just because a demon leaves, is there a greater purpose in that the spirit chose to retreat? Consider the glittery sport of Wrestling, is it not just for show to get the crowds to show up and pay for the tickets? There are real wrestling matches goin on out there in the world of sports, but in this case (Fatima) not everything may be is as it seems.

[Prophet01]

but the fatima apperitions are not of this world, and no earthly power preforms these signs, perhaps you should do a little research into it and other places like it before condeming it, of course be wary but dont discount it until your sure.


I reccomend a book called "the healing fire of Christ"

[Artificial Intelligence]

but the fatima apperitions are not of this world, and no earthly power preforms these signs, perhaps you should do a little research into it and other places like it before condeming it, of course be wary but dont discount it until your sure.


I reccomend a book called "the healing fire of Christ"
uhh topic already split to http://www.christianforums.com/t2389150-fatima.html#post20539550 so not to derail this interesting thread.

[vincejohn]

The colour of the hair in the vision I saw was fair coloured half half.

[ladycat]

To those who doubt that Jesus can appear in His Glory to mere mortals... remember what happened to Paul on the road to Damascus.

[linssue55]

I am a practising non denominational person. I keep the commandments as best as I can and believe in Holy Yeshua Jesus Messiah.
In 1988 I lost my wife and sister. After 10 days from the funderal I cried out to Jesus to save me from the grief and pain. Immediately on my cry the spirit of God came and healed my grief and filled me with hope and peace as well as the realisation that God is real. In 1999 while in prayer and meditation I was transported in vision/soul? before the throne of Yeshua Jesus Christ. He had no beard and a crown on his head. I saw his face and eyes. There were no words spoken but the Lord communicated many things to me.
In 2000 while my second wife was in hospital fighting cancer I entered a low period but never lost faith. At that point of low in the presence of a family relative at home we heard the Lords voice....twice deep and low '' I love you''....'' I love you'' it shook the whole house and my relative told me never to tell anyone..but now I have....I love you Holy Father Of Jesus Yeshua Mesiah and the Holy Spirit of God. love Vince.All prophesy have been fullfilled, and all visions stopped as of 96 A.D.. Sorry! If you heard voices and saw visions, they weren't of the Lord.

[CrazyforYeshua]

Where does it say in the Word they stopped then?

[ladycat]

All prophesy have been fullfilled, and all visions stopped as of 96 A.D.. Sorry! If you heard voices and saw visions, they weren't of the Lord.

96 A.D?? Where did you get that from??

But I must disagree with you about "all prophesy being fulfilled" and I will respectfully disagree with those who think God cannot talk to His children.

The Lord has instructed me to do things for people I never heard of. Like a house in town that I had never paid attention to, didn't know who lived there and had no reason to care. One day when we drove down the road in front of that house, the Lord told me the people in that house needed groceries. I had already learned the hard way to obey Him when He tells me to do something, so I took groceries and knocked on the door of that house. Turns out it was an older Christian couple who were both ill and out of work and had prayed for groceries because they had run out of food.

I could give a hundred more examples just in my own personal experiences.

This is the most common purpose of "hearing His voice". Prophesy and visions almost always have to do with ministering to individuals or families. On rare occasions one who knows how to commune with God will get a vision or message for a church congregation or something of the sort.

It most definitely IS for today!

[Artificial Intelligence]

All prophesy have been fullfilled, and all visions stopped as of 96 A.D.. Sorry! If you heard voices and saw visions, they weren't of the Lord.Ummm... you have your profile set wrong, it seems to be set for Premillennialism, Pretribulation when what you are saying here is Preterist.

[ladycat]

Ummm... you have your profile set wrong, it seems to be set for Premillennialism, Pretribulation when what you are saying here is Preterist.

Good catch! :D

[linssue55]

1 Cor 13:8......

8. Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. (knowledge of prophets ordained by God)

Prophecy: In a specific sense, a prophet was one who received direct revelation from God and gave it to others with supernatural power (in this sense this gift is no longer active with the completion of the canon of Scripture). In a general sense, it is the supernatural ability to interpret the authoritative Word and to proclaim the truth so that it becomes very clear, vital, and compelling (preaching) (Eph. 4:11; Rom 12:6).

I speak from a non-charismatic or cessationist position. That is to say, that certain gifts of the Holy Spirit were employed in the earliest stage of Christianity to authenticate that God was doing something new. These "sign gifts"--such as the gifts of healing, tongues, miracles--ceased with the death of the last apostle. (Miracles through prayer are valid today)

There are some today who maintain that the New Testament Greek has abandoned the classical use of the middle voice in which the subject is acting in relation to himself or itself in some way. Many grammars say the middle is “reflexive,” but we are uncomfortable with the term. The “direct reflexive” was common in Classical Greek but not in Koine.

A good example of the problems caused by assuming that the classical use of the middle is always present is found in 1 Corinthians 13:8, where Paul says that the gifts of tongues “will cease” (pauvsontai). Paul is saying the gift of tongues will cease in and of itself.

The nature of NT Greek has strong implications for this use of the middle voice. If one thinks that NT Greek has abandoned the rules of classical Greek, then he/she would not put much emphasis on the force of the middle voice in a given passage. The NT Greek has, for the most part, retained the rules of classical Greek, then he/she will see more significance in the use of the middle voice. It is our contention that a careful examination of the usage of a particular middle voice verb in Hellenistic Greek will shed light on how much can be made of the voice.

The voice of the verb is significant, then Paul is saying either that tongues will cut themselves off (direct middle) or, more likely, cease of their own accord, i.e., “die out” without an intervening agent (indirect middle). It may be significant that with reference to prophecy and knowledge.

Luke 8:24 is brought into the discussion: Jesus rebuked the wind and sea and they ceased (ejpauvsanto, aorist middle) from their turbulence. The argument is that inanimate objects cannot cease of their own accord; therefore, the middle of pauvw is equivalent to a passive. But this is a misunderstanding of the literary features of the passage; If the wind and sea cannot cease voluntarily, why does Jesus rebuke them? And why do the disciples speak of the wind and sea as having obeyed Jesus? The elements are personified in Luke 8 and their ceasing from turbulence is therefore presented as volitional obedience to Jesus. If anything, Luke 8:23 supports the indirect middle view. Third, the idea of a deponent verb is that it is middle in form, but active in meaning. But pauvsontai is surrounded by passives in 1 Cor 13:8, not actives. The real force of pauvw in the middle is intransitive, while in the active it is transitive. In the active it has the force of stopping some other object; in the middle, it ceases from its own activity.

[Artificial Intelligence]

1 Cor 13:8......

8. Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. (knowledge of prophets ordained by God)

But that says will, not has. In contrast:
Acts 2:17 ‘ And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.

[Svt4Him]

Cor 13:8......

8. Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. (knowledge of prophets ordained by God)


I think this is a very dangerous road to travel down. See, if you just leave the verse the way it is and don't add to scripture, you will clearly see that that has not happened, as knowledge has not been done away with. But by adding knowledge of prophets ordained by God, you then make the verse into something you can manipulate.

[linssue55]

But that says will, not has. In contrast:
Acts 2:17 ‘ And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.

To Will.......A power of choosing what one will "DO", volition, determination, wish, desire.

Your verse is out of Dispensational context.........There "IS" Cronological order to the bible.......You should learn that.


Acts 2:16-17~~"But this is the same kind of thing that was spoken by the prophet Joel, 17~~ 'And it shall come to pass in the last days, said God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams."
{Note: this is a quote from Joel 2:28 referring to the 2nd advent of the coming of the Holy Spirit in the Millennial reign of Christ - Peter is using this as an illustration to show the disciples are NOT DRUNK. Peter is NOT saying Joel's prophecy is being fulfilled at this time.}

18~~ "And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit and they shall prophesy."

{Note: This will be right after the Second Advent: Joel 2:29.}

19~~ "And I will show wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath. Blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke."


{Note: This will be just before the Second Advent: Joel 2:30.}

20~~ "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord comes."

{Note: On the day of the Second Advent of Christ will also come the Second Advent of the Holy Spirit indwelling everyone - because only believers will remain on the earth: Joel 2:31 (and see Rev 1:7).}

21~~ And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of {have faith in} the Lord shall be saved.

[linssue55]

I think this is a very dangerous road to travel down. See, if you just leave the verse the way it is and don't add to scripture, you will clearly see that that has not happened, as knowledge has not been done away with. But by adding knowledge of prophets ordained by God, you then make the verse into something you can manipulate.You are truly negative to the TRUE word of scripture........this verse is from God, Paul wrote it, I didn't. If you choose not to believe it, that is your business, between you and the Lord, and certainly not mine. For I could care less if you believe it or not.

[Artificial Intelligence]

To Will.......A power of choosing what one will "DO", volition, determination, wish, desire.

Your verse is out of Dispensational context.........There "IS" Cronological order to the bible.......You should learn that.Well yes, it is out of (or from) a Dispensational prospective (classic). Yes the last days started with the pouring out of the Holy Spirit then and it continues to this day since this is still the same dispensation; the Ecclesiastical Dispensation (the Church). There will be a day when knowledge, prophecy and other gifts will be of no use, but Love shall endure forever throughout eternity. We are simply not at that point yet but it will happen

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As for your definition of a Prophet, not only does every spiritual gifts test conclude that I have the gift of Prophecy, I heard God audibly tell me of something that was going to happen and it did happen. It wasn’t given to me so that I may go around boasting that a prophecy was given to me, or that I am a prophet, but it was given to give comport in a time of deep distress. The gift of prophecy is more than just being told from God the things that will 100% come to pass, it also includes discernment, teaching, counseling and most importantly Love (which we should all have received). And beyond audible messages, there is more given but I’ll stay in the realm of what you presented so that I may convey the conclusion, yes such gifts have not been done away with, it’s simply part of the blessing to the Church by/through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Christians still receive dreams, visions and so forth, when what shall happen in the ages is concluded than we will have no need for those things being face to face with him.

[TreeOfLife]

Well yes, it is out of (or from) a Dispensational prospective (classic). Yes the last days started with the pouring out of the Holy Spirit then and it continues to this day since this is still the same dispensation; the Ecclesiastical Dispensation (the Church). There will be a day when knowledge, prophecy and other gifts will be of no use, but Love shall endure forever throughout eternity. We are simply not at that point yet but it will happen

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As for your definition of a Prophet, not only does every spiritual gifts test conclude that I have the gift of Prophecy, I heard God audibly tell me of something that was going to happen and it did happen. It wasn’t given to me so that I may go around boasting that a prophecy was given to me, or that I am a prophet, but it was given to give comport in a time of deep distress. The gift of prophecy is more than just being told from God the things that will 100% come to pass, it also includes discernment, teaching, counseling and most importantly Love (which we should all have received). And beyond audible messages, there is more given but I’ll stay in the realm of what you presented so that I may convey the conclusion, yes such gifts have not been done away with, it’s simply part of the blessing to the Church by/through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Christians still receive dreams, visions and so forth, when what shall happen in the ages is concluded than we will have no need for those things being face to face with him.

Cool chart. :thumbsup:

[ladycat]

linssue55, haven't you ever prayed for guidance about a specific issue? If you have, how did you expect to get an answer? If you haven't, how can you grow spiritually?

How can you presume to limit God? How can you claim to be a Christian if you can't hear His voice?

When we accept Jesus as Savior, the Holy Spirit becomes our Guide. We become enabled to have our prayers heard, to understand His word (from His point of view, not man's), and we learn to commune with Him.

This is a two-way relationship. We talk to God, He talks back. If we're listening, we hear Him. This seldom means an audible voice. His Spirit speaks to our spirit, and we receive guidance. The closer we draw to Him, the more He talks to us.

I completely fail to understand how anyone can proclaim to be a Christian, and yet not commune with God. The idea is beyond my comprehension, and beyond my own experience, and the experience of the spiritual Christians I've had the pleasure to grow with.

[linssue55]

Well yes, it is out of (or from) a Dispensational prospective (classic). Yes the last days started with the pouring out of the Holy Spirit then and it continues to this day since this is still the same dispensation; the Ecclesiastical Dispensation (the Church). There will be a day when knowledge, prophecy and other gifts will be of no use, but Love shall endure forever throughout eternity. We are simply not at that point yet but it will happen

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As for your definition of a Prophet, not only does every spiritual gifts test conclude that I have the gift of Prophecy, I heard God audibly tell me of something that was going to happen and it did happen. It wasn’t given to me so that I may go around boasting that a prophecy was given to me, or that I am a prophet, but it was given to give comport in a time of deep distress. The gift of prophecy is more than just being told from God the things that will 100% come to pass, it also includes discernment, teaching, counseling and most importantly Love (which we should all have received). And beyond audible messages, there is more given but I’ll stay in the realm of what you presented so that I may convey the conclusion, yes such gifts have not been done away with, it’s simply part of the blessing to the Church by/through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Christians still receive dreams, visions and so forth, when what shall happen in the ages is concluded than we will have no need for those things being face to face with him.

Well it is QUITE obvious you did not read nor take in my post's. You will never convince me it was the Lord you heard, "EVER". All of that stopped with the church age, after John. Ihave loads of charts too, they prove nothing. 1 Cor 13:8 proves my point, "AND IN THE MIDDLE VOICE", BUT it is quite obvious none of you know exegesis,, or isogogics for that matter. So in effect, it is like talking to walls.

Go on and believe what you want, for it is obvious you live on FEELINGS instead of clear thought or dogmatic scripture. I have wasted enough time here with negative believers, I won't be back. :sleep:

[ladycat]

Well it is QUITE obvious you did not read nor take in my post's. You will never convince me it was the Lord you heard, "EVER". All of that stopped with the church age, after John. Ihave loads of charts too, they prove nothing. 1 Cor 13:8 proves my point, "AND IN THE MIDDLE VOICE", BUT it is quite obvious none of you know exegesis,, or isogogics for that matter. So in effect, it is like talking to walls.

Go on and believe what you want, for it is obvious you live on FEELINGS instead of clear thought or dogmatic scripture. I have wasted enough time here with negative believers, I won't be back. :sleep:

Feelings are irrelevant.

You won't be back simply because you are unable to face the Truth.

[linssue55]

linssue55, haven't you ever prayed for guidance about a specific issue? If you have, how did you expect to get an answer? If you haven't, how can you grow spiritually?

How can you presume to limit God? How can you claim to be a Christian if you can't hear His voice?

When we accept Jesus as Savior, the Holy Spirit becomes our Guide. We become enabled to have our prayers heard, to understand His word (from His point of view, not man's), and we learn to commune with Him.

This is a two-way relationship. We talk to God, He talks back. If we're listening, we hear Him. This seldom means an audible voice. His Spirit speaks to our spirit, and we receive guidance. The closer we draw to Him, the more He talks to us.

I completely fail to understand how anyone can proclaim to be a Christian, and yet not commune with God. The idea is beyond my comprehension, and beyond my own experience, and the experience of the spiritual Christians I've had the pleasure to grow with.Try prayer!! .......PLEASE....get off of your sanctimonious, self righteous, judging, high horse, pedestal. This hollier than thou attitude like you are the greatest Christian ever, above anyone else. Are you in fellowship right now? Do you even know HOW to get the filling of the Spirit?...... I am right now in fellowship, and I do know how to get the filling. Did you know there is ONLY "ONE" verse in the entire bible that give's you the filling of the Spirit? But of course you do, your the smart one here? If you hear God talk to you "AUDIBLY", WOW! you have a very serious problem. You can answer this post, but I won't be back, way to nrgative here.

[Artificial Intelligence]

Well it is QUITE obvious you did not read nor take in my post's. You will never convince me it was the Lord you heard, "EVER". :sleep:I've heard angels as well, maybe you would believe I heard angels?
Oh well, :wave:

[ladycat]

Try prayer!! .......PLEASE....get off of your sanctimonious, self righteous, judging, high horse, pedestal. This hollier than thou attitude like you are the greatest Christian ever, above anyone else. Are you in fellowship right now? Do you even know HOW to get the filling of the Spirit?...... I am right now in fellowship, and I do know how to get the filling. Did you know there is ONLY "ONE" verse in the entire bible that give's you the filling of the Spirit? But of course you do, your the smart one here? If you hear God talk to you "AUDIBLY", WOW! you have a very serious problem. You can answer this post, but I won't be back, way to nrgative here.

I've never heard His voice audibly.
And if you think I'm being self righteous you aren't hearing what I'm saying.

Edited to add: you deny the gifts of the Spirit are for today, yet you claim to have filling of the Spirit (which is a Gift of the Spirit).

And you are judgemental, which you accuse me of.

[Artificial Intelligence]

Well I would have been happy to not hear what I heard and that what happened not happen. But what I heard was said before it happened so it really kept me from freaking out like I could have done when it did happen. Guess I suck being so weak in that situation and in need of some reinforcement before the full anvil dropped on the coming situation. It could have turned out far worse but maybe God gave me time to petition him in intercessory prayer so that it would not happen or not be so lethal a situation. It turned out to be bad but did not end in total disaster and we all made it through. Most that have posted here have said they heard his voice in a time of need, God knows what we need before we ask and sometimes we really need to hear him it seems. I don’t believe that God is incapable of speaking in this way to us, but as I said, I would have rather not needed and for that to not all happen.

[ladycat]

Well I would have been happy to not hear what I heard and that what happened not happen. But what I heard was said before it happened so it really kept me from freaking out like I could have done when it did happen. Guess I suck being so weak in that situation and in need of some reinforcement before the full anvil dropped on the coming situation. It could have turned out far worse but maybe God gave me time to petition him in intercessory prayer so that it would not happen or not be so lethal a situation. It turned out to be bad but did not end in total disaster and we all made it through. Most that have posted here have said they heard his voice in a time of need, God knows what we need before we ask and sometimes we really need to hear him it seems. I don’t believe that God is incapable of speaking in this way to us, but as I said, I would have rather not needed and for that to not all happen.

Very few indeed ever hear Him audibly, and most never do. I think it generally happens only when He really needs to grab somebody's attention in a special situation.

I'm content for His Spirit to touch my spirit and communicate with me that way. I'm a coward too and I think I'd freak if He started talking to me audibly lol ;)

[Svt4Him]

You are truly negative to the TRUE word of scripture........this verse is from God, Paul wrote it, I didn't. If you choose not to believe it, that is your business, between you and the Lord, and certainly not mine. For I could care less if you believe it or not.

Out of which Bible verse did you quote from, as I would like to see it for myself. If you choose to add to Scripture though, then I am not negative to the true word of God, only what one twists it to mean.

Try prayer!! .......PLEASE....get off of your sanctimonious, self righteous, judging, high horse, pedestal. This hollier than thou attitude like you are the greatest Christian ever, above anyone else. Are you in fellowship right now? Do you even know HOW to get the filling of the Spirit?...... I am right now in fellowship, and I do know how to get the filling. Did you know there is ONLY "ONE" verse in the entire bible that give's you the filling of the Spirit? But of course you do, your the smart one here? If you hear God talk to you "AUDIBLY", WOW! you have a very serious problem. You can answer this post, but I won't be back, way to nrgative here.

It truly is so nice to see posters who display such humility. Obviously they are in fellowship with God, I can hear angels sing as I read this.

[ladycat]

Out of which Bible verse did you quote from, as I would like to see it for myself. If you choose to add to Scripture though, then I am not negative to the true word of God, only what one twists it to mean.



It truly is so nice to see posters who display such humility. Obviously they are in fellowship with God, I can hear angels sing as I read this.

He said he wouldn't be back because it was too negative here. But he was the only one I saw who was being negative. :doh:

[vincejohn]

linssue55 pleased to meet you. I received the Holy Spirit after my wife and sister died. This was evidenced by the love and spirit of God entering me after I cried out to Jesus 10 days after my sisters funeral. Peace and love entered me and took away all my pain and also gave me direct proof that the word of Jesus is true and real. The vision of the Lord on the throne was real also, as if it wasnt real I would have seen the Lord with a beard but i saw him the way he is '' the pure in heart will see God''
And the voice I heard was real in the presence of my relative who heard it also.
We are the children of the true Israel. Our Father in heaven holds back nothing from us if we truly strive to keep his laws and walk with His Son. With God nothing is impossible. Love to all brother Vince. '' I love you, I love you'' Voice of God 2000 after crying out to the Lord in despair while wife was fighting for her life with Acute Myloid Leukemia. Praise our God of Yeshua Jesus she is healed and saved...my second wife ,because the voice was true..'' I love You.''

[FreedIntheLord]

How sad to see such fighting here. People have heard the voice of God since Adam and Eve in the garden. Noah heard the voice of God, Abrahm heard the voice of God and so on. It is ALL through the bible. God made us for HIS good pleasure and I am glad He can talk to anyone He wants to. I was taken up out of my body at one time about 24 years ago and I felt the voice of God go through me. He said, "You are forgiven, it is not your time. You have much to teach." With that I came back into my body. Why? I was pleading with God to die and I did not want to kill myself. He knew I needed that. I did not ask Him to do what He did. God is awesome. We should not argue about the scriptures, but lift each other up and love one another.

Be Blessed today!

[vincejohn]

Amen. You are an awesome servant of God praise God for saving you and revealing himself to you in a special Holy way FreedintheLord.

[FreedIntheLord]

Amen. You are an awesome servant of God praise God for saving you and revealing himself to you in a special Holy way FreedintheLord.
God Bless you vincejohn.

Isn't it good to be favored of the Lord? And, I am not talking about hearing or seeing. :clap: I mean, being blessed to be His servants. To be able to tell of His love and to receive salvation. What else really matters?

Have a wonderful evening. :amen:

FreedIntheLord