What Do You Think Of These 'Brownsville Revival' Video Clips?

[ProAmerican]

From Bible.ca


Brownsville Revival in Delano Pennsylvania 6/18/1996

1.) "...you can hear [Steve]Hill hissing like a serpent and grunting loudly as he works his crowd. All the while in the background you can hear people yelling, screaming and making animal sounds."

http://www.bible.ca/tongues-brownsville-delano-PA-1996.ram


2.) Testimony of Amy Ward: No Slain no pain!

"Amy Ward (sister of Alkison Ward testifies in a Brownsville Assembly of God service July 1995. John Kilpatrick brings Amy Ward to the pulpit to explain her anointing experience with the Holy Spirit. However she gaive graphic details of the pain she endured while slain. More importantly, she reveals that the spirit claims she will be purified by the pain apart..."

http://www.bible.ca/tongues-brownsville-amy-ward.ram


3.) Testimony of Alison Ward: Aug 18, 1995

In this clip, "...Kilpatrick makes a point of doing some damage control with Amy Wards testimony (see above) that she experienced quite a bit of pain while slain."

http://www.bible.ca/tongues-brownsville-alison-ward-1995.ram


I saw Steve Hill and John Kilpatrick recently on TBN, and thought that maybe some would like to see these if they hadn't already.

Opinions?

[talitha]

I don't know how to listen to those files, but I do have a great deal of respect for John Kilpatrick. I have heard him preach and have heard him give his testimony of how he came to be the pastor of a "church in revival" -- good stuff. I live close to Smithton, Missouri, home of the "Cornfield Revival" of the late nineties, and have known several people who have been around that sort of thing a lot. They admit that revival brings out some weird elements and some people get into some manifestations of their own flesh, sad to say, but that is not the point of it -- the point is meeing up with the Lord and being changed.....

blessings
tal

[breezynosacek]

From Bible.ca


Brownsville Revival in Delano Pennsylvania 6/18/1996

1.) "...you can hear [Steve]Hill hissing like a serpent and grunting loudly as he works his crowd. All the while in the background you can hear people yelling, screaming and making animal sounds."

http://www.bible.ca/tongues-brownsville-delano-PA-1996.ram


2.) Testimony of Amy Ward: No Slain no pain!

"Amy Ward (sister of Alkison Ward testifies in a Brownsville Assembly of God service July 1995. John Kilpatrick brings Amy Ward to the pulpit to explain her anointing experience with the Holy Spirit. However she gaive graphic details of the pain she endured while slain. More importantly, she reveals that the spirit claims she will be purified by the pain apart..."

http://www.bible.ca/tongues-brownsville-amy-ward.ram


3.) Testimony of Alison Ward: Aug 18, 1995

In this clip, "...Kilpatrick makes a point of doing some damage control with Amy Wards testimony (see above) that she experienced quite a bit of pain while slain."

http://www.bible.ca/tongues-brownsville-alison-ward-1995.ram


I saw Steve Hill and John Kilpatrick recently on TBN, and thought that maybe some would like to see these if they hadn't already.

Opinions?

I can't open them either...

What in the world is brownsville doing in PA? Did they get run out of FL?

They are an offshoot of the toronto blessing, same spirits, same manifestations.

There's a lot I don't like about CBN, but at least they pegged the "Toronto blessing" for what they really were. It was CBN or Fox, too long ago. Showed clips of godess worship and everything.

[CrazyforYeshua]

When the Brownsville revival was going on, my Pastor ended up going to that church. He said it was like he woke up one day and all of these plans were just falling into place for him to be there. He hadn't thought about going there at all on his vacation. At that time, we were going thru some really heavy spiritual battles in our church. We were dealing with the spirit of division, and my Pastor got very hurt as a result. When he went down to Brownsville, he felt God was telling him to go forward for prayer when Pastor Kilpatrick was asking if there were any Pastors that needed prayer. He fought his way forward, went down front, and the Pastor prayed for him. As pastor Kilpatrick was walking away, he all of a sudden turned back to him, and said "You're going thru something at your church" My Pastor said yes, and pastor Kilpatrick proceeded to tell him everything that was going on at our church. My Pastor was kinda floored, cause needless to say, he had never spoken to him before in his life. Pastor Kilpatrick gave him a word from the Lord, which did come to pass.
So, we can have any opinion we want of things we don't understand, but thru it all, God will move and work if He so chooses.
The bad thing about these revivlas, is people think if it happens one place it should happen everywhere. That's not true, we had one church in our area who had people go down there for a few bus trips. While they were going back and forth, they got into a discussion with their Pastor, who is a friend of my Pastor's, about why it wasn't happening at their church. Their Pastor tried to tell them if God wanted it at their church, it would happen. Nobody can make it happen, and he wasn't going to try. The sad thing is, he lost half his church, which was quite a few hundred people, because they thought different.
People can get so caught up in this stuff, it's dangerous.
As far as people doing these things in the flesh, yes, it definitely does happen. I don't know why, but my Spirit of Discernment is very keen in that area, and I have walked out of a few places because I knew God was nowhere in it. At the same time, He is in it when He chooses it, I've been there too, it can happen.I don't know why people react the way they do, I've never seen any barking or growling, but since my Pastor get that word from Pastor Kilpatrick who knew everything about what was going on 1000 miles away, I would dare say it was God who showed him.

[Raistlinorr]

I watched about half of the first video (I need to be going to bed lol) and I noticed no hissing ppl or animal sounds from the audience.

What I did notice though is very poorly recorded video. The sounds that I can explain away so far are from this poor recording. I audio sounds bad when the ppl are clapping and cheering and laughing. It also sounds bad when there are certain sounds in words made the S being the biggest noticable one which would also explain the sound of the ppl cheering ect. It's the sharp sounds that seem to reflect clearly on poor recording equipment that and most modern churches are not built like enertainment halls or sound studios which give the best and most crisp sound.

I'll get back to you tomorrow on the rest to give the rest of my opinion or I might change it all together after seeing every thing. But so far I'll stick with poor recording equipment.


Any one who is having problems veiwing these needs Realplayer to view them BTW. Which is also a poor player IMO.

Good post though I finally am going to get to see fully what I've heard some good and bad about thakns for the links :) .

God Bless
Raist

[Svt4Him]

From Bible.ca


Brownsville Revival in Delano Pennsylvania 6/18/1996

1.) "...you can hear [Steve]Hill hissing like a serpent and grunting loudly as he works his crowd. All the while in the background you can hear people yelling, screaming and making animal sounds."

Could you tell me where this is found, as I've listened to a little over 1/4 of it and can't hear this?

[justinstout]

The website that these links are from are just spreading hate and lies about true men of God. They condemn many other preachers as well.

[linssue55]

From Bible.ca


Brownsville Revival in Delano Pennsylvania 6/18/1996

1.) "...you can hear [Steve]Hill hissing like a serpent and grunting loudly as he works his crowd. All the while in the background you can hear people yelling, screaming and making animal sounds."

http://www.bible.ca/tongues-brownsville-delano-PA-1996.ram


2.) Testimony of Amy Ward: No Slain no pain!

"Amy Ward (sister of Alkison Ward testifies in a Brownsville Assembly of God service July 1995. John Kilpatrick brings Amy Ward to the pulpit to explain her anointing experience with the Holy Spirit. However she gaive graphic details of the pain she endured while slain. More importantly, she reveals that the spirit claims she will be purified by the pain apart..."

http://www.bible.ca/tongues-brownsville-amy-ward.ram


3.) Testimony of Alison Ward: Aug 18, 1995

In this clip, "...Kilpatrick makes a point of doing some damage control with Amy Wards testimony (see above) that she experienced quite a bit of pain while slain."

http://www.bible.ca/tongues-brownsville-alison-ward-1995.ram


I saw Steve Hill and John Kilpatrick recently on TBN, and thought that maybe some would like to see these if they hadn't already.

Opinions?Satanic!

[justinstout]

Satanic!


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[Mr. 5020]

What I've always wondered is why the "preachers" are not affected by this overwhelming power of the HS on stage. Are they insensitive to it?


By the way, this IS Satanic.

[billychum]

I've bee to Brownsville, and have seen all different kinds of videos from there. Have a couple of friends that follow all of their revivals closely, they are subject to get in a car or on a plane and take off at any time to go and participate. As for me, I don't believe any of it.
Billy <><

[Mr. 5020]

I've bee to Brownsville, and have seen all different kinds of videos from there. Have a couple of friends that follow all of their revivals closely, they are subject to get in a car or on a plane and take off at any time to go and participate. As for me, I don't believe any of it.
Billy <><That's a good thing! :thumbsup:

[justinstout]

What I've always wondered is why the "preachers" are not affected by this overwhelming power of the HS on stage. Are they insensitive to it?


By the way, this IS Satanic.


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[Entertaining_Angels]

It is deception and not of God. I know too many people now who have been hurt by these teachings/experiences. God's been using me in this area and I feel awed because I too was hurt.

[little_tigress]

there are a few serious problems I have with these clips.

The first one clearly shows man controlling God. The one woman who was being 'slain' in the Spirit was talking about the man pulling her forward and saying, 'Give her more Lord' and supposedly God did was a prime example of that, as well as at the end of the video when the dude was saying 'now! now! now!' and the crowd of people were falling down.

The second video had a very clear problem, and this was stated specifically in the video as well. The girl was supposedly being cleansed of all the bad within her, but my Bible clearly says that there is only one way to be cleansed entirely, and that is by the Blood of the Lamb. Once we have been washed in that we have perfect standing before God, and if she wasn't washed in the blood of the Lamb, then that couldn't have been God that was jerking her around, because nobody can be cleansed any other way.

and of course in every one of these videos there is a complete lack of self control by these people who supposedly are being touched by God, yet this is contradictory to the Bible.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law - Gal 5:22-23

In short I cannot believe this is of God.

A good website dealing with this subject specifically can be found here: http://discern.ca

[knownbeforetime]

I'll have to agree that all three videos are shoddy recordings. I heard no animal sounds. Although I saw what looked like people doing the chicken dance. (But again, it was a shoddy recording and I could barely make out faces.)

The 2nd and 3rd videos are interesting. I watched The Exorcism of Emily Rose the other day. That girl also had wierd muscle spasms. So either that girl had watched a scary movie or it was something supernatural. IMHO, it sounded like "the lord" was forcing himself on this girl which is NOT something Our Lord does. Dare I say it, it almost sounded like someone was raping her... :o Yeah, I said it...

[Mr. 5020]

:thumbsdownpicture:You agree?

[Macano]

In my opinion, they are being decieved. I cannot prove it, and only God knows for sure, but based on what I know and have seen, they are being led astray.

[Mr. 5020]

In my opinion, they are being decieved. I cannot prove it, and only God knows for sure, but based on what I know and have seen, they are being led astray.I truly believe that you are correct.

[Protestante]

IS the revival the one that believes you need to speak in tongues to be saved?

[little_tigress]

They would prbably see tongues as being part of it. Basically there are a lot of strange manifestations that go along with this. Click on the link in post 15 if you want more info on it.

[breezynosacek]

Check this out: http://www.vaki.net/texts/lhp_lexicon.htm

This is a hindu practice

Shaktipat - (Skt. "descent of power") - A form of spiritual transmission where a guru serves as a channel for the descent of divine grace. This spiritual baptism, typically involving the laying on of hands, awakens the dormant kundalini within a disciple to initiate or accelerate the process of liberation. Can also refer to the direct descent of grace, without intermediation by a guru.

[fwGod]

disregard

From Bible.ca


Brownsville Revival in Delano Pennsylvania 6/18/1996

1.) "...you can hear [Steve]Hill hissing like a serpent and grunting loudly as he works his crowd. All the while in the background you can hear people yelling, screaming and making animal sounds."

http://www.bible.ca/tongues-brownsville-delano-PA-1996.ram


2.) Testimony of Amy Ward: No Slain no pain!

"Amy Ward (sister of Alkison Ward testifies in a Brownsville Assembly of God service July 1995. John Kilpatrick brings Amy Ward to the pulpit to explain her anointing experience with the Holy Spirit. However she gaive graphic details of the pain she endured while slain. More importantly, she reveals that the spirit claims she will be purified by the pain apart..."

http://www.bible.ca/tongues-brownsville-amy-ward.ram


3.) Testimony of Alison Ward: Aug 18, 1995

In this clip, "...Kilpatrick makes a point of doing some damage control with Amy Wards testimony (see above) that she experienced quite a bit of pain while slain."

http://www.bible.ca/tongues-brownsville-alison-ward-1995.ram


I saw Steve Hill and John Kilpatrick recently on TBN, and thought that maybe some would like to see these if they hadn't already.

Opinions?

[fwGod]

opinions?

hmm mm, these are from 1995-96. i saw a more recent one (this year) at Brownsville. very quiet.

but as for these.. i'd say alot of it is due to bad recording devices also. and the fact that these are a slice of the more rambunctious things that take place. and oddly enough theres no recordings from those more subdued times of manifestation from the Lord. which are likely more often than the more lively times.

none of it is satanic. mindful that they spoke of Jesus as having a demon. and they were not right.
but such things as those in the video is no more than to have a bunch pretty much acting like tipsy drunk.. (those on the day of pentecost) proof that something that is of God can 'make' a person act abit silly at times.
or like someone getting wild in their dancing (King David). i myself wouldnt dance at church but i'm not gonna judge the hearts of those that do by the way they move.

its all either spirit.. or flesh. like crying or singing, laughing.
people have different reaction levels. and different ways of expression.

in that first one.. someone said 'give her more Lord'..
you know that a persons 'cup' is only such size. 'more' would just overflow. but that's what is said in psalm23.
but to me.. i know that God gives as He wills.. so while his hands are upon the person the man is aware of virtue going out of him so he stays.. so indeed just a slight touch a second long perhaps isnt enough. and saying to the effect. 'sure Lord, i'll stay longer if You want to give more.'

i've known preachers to use words to pull at the heartstrings of the people to get them to cry..
or to hide behind the podium when he prayed to God before giving his message.. doing it just to show his 'humility'.

if one calls it all satanic then i assume that they've never prayed for someone, placing their hands upon them. or experienced the power of God.

and someone said that their child said, 'when are you going to get in the spirit.. i want to be in the spirit too mommy'.
the thing that the child said touched me most. i'd love to have my younger relatives say that they'd want to enjoy the closeness of God and mean it. the way their lives are.. they really need God right now.

but these things seen are subjective.. if a person is subdued. then its likely that they wont be too reactive. i myself am one of those 'subdued' persons. i've guffawed loudly in the flesh so i'd most likely get to laughing loud in that 'laughing in the spirit' thing. as a matter of fact i have already. before the 'craze' came along.
i've prayed loudly and i've prayed softly. it differs.

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on the amy ward testimony - for those of you who couldnt view the videos..
the young teenage girl was giving her testimony.. she said something about cleansing and began to describe the shaking.. then there was a man that interupted the video to state that its the blood of Jesus that cleanses and not the shaking.

and amy said that she ..'was the rottonest person'.. - assuming that she's refering to sin in her life.

and she said that God told her that the shaking was because He was 'cleaning you out'.
so after a time she wanted the shaking to stop.. then she said that God wanted to hold her hand and pull out her arm till its stretched to length.

what she describes was like a physical therapist working on her body.

she said that she did not feel any pain while it was happening.

i know for myself that when i use muscles that i usually dont.. then later they hurt.

and that is what amy said.

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the third video is about Alyssa. another young teenage girl. quiet and soft spoken. she said that while God would minister to her that she didnt feel any pain.

i think there that it hints to her otherwise having physical problems and pain.

so the preacher asked her to give a testimony of what she experienced. the anointing was on her heavily so she couldnt speak much. and her whole body moved gently. (i assume do the physical condition that God was working on)

to me its no different than a chiropractor or muscle expert working on your body. frankly i'd love that. i cant get any family member to rub my aching spots.

then she got emotional in trying to talk about God's love and her love of people to be saved.

while she spoke the preacher standing next to her, under the heavy anointing, knelt down nearby. then she fell out under the power of God.

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i dont understand how anyone can call this satanic.



From Bible.ca


Brownsville Revival in Delano Pennsylvania 6/18/1996

1.) "...you can hear [Steve]Hill hissing like a serpent and grunting loudly as he works his crowd. All the while in the background you can hear people yelling, screaming and making animal sounds."

http://www.bible.ca/tongues-brownsville-delano-PA-1996.ram


2.) Testimony of Amy Ward: No Slain no pain!

"Amy Ward (sister of Alkison Ward testifies in a Brownsville Assembly of God service July 1995. John Kilpatrick brings Amy Ward to the pulpit to explain her anointing experience with the Holy Spirit. However she gaive graphic details of the pain she endured while slain. More importantly, she reveals that the spirit claims she will be purified by the pain apart..."

http://www.bible.ca/tongues-brownsville-amy-ward.ram


3.) Testimony of Alison Ward: Aug 18, 1995

In this clip, "...Kilpatrick makes a point of doing some damage control with Amy Wards testimony (see above) that she experienced quite a bit of pain while slain."

http://www.bible.ca/tongues-brownsville-alison-ward-1995.ram


I saw Steve Hill and John Kilpatrick recently on TBN, and thought that maybe some would like to see these if they hadn't already.

[irenemcg]

Just one little word of warning, I think we need to be very careful what we label as Satanic, If the Holy Spirit is at work, despite some people manifesting flesh like stuff we have to be very careful, the clips were not clear. I didn't hear hissing or animal noises.

[irenemcg]

Check this out: http://www.vaki.net/texts/lhp_lexicon.htm

This is a hindu practice

Yep, the devil has his counterfeits.

[vincejohn]

''And if someone says the lord is here or there, dont believe it''
'' better to pray locked in your room where your Holy Father hears you than to stand in the synagogues with the hypocrytes'' Holy Jesus Christ Yeshua Messiah.

[irenemcg]

John Wesley is quoted as saying, "Lord, send a revival with no defects. But if that is not possible, send a revival, defects and all!"