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laura-ann
19th September 2004, 09:51 PM
i also clicked not sure, however.. the more i think about it the more it seems to be a sin... speeding IS breaking the law, and the bible says that we must live by the laws of our country so I guess it is... also it isint showing respect for others lives in some circumstances.

reformedthinker
19th September 2004, 09:52 PM
Is speeding a sin? Is sampling a peanut at the grocery store without asking permission a sin? Is there such things a little or big sins?
I think its wrong. You are breaking the law and God says to honor those in authority in Romans 13 (I think). If it goes against God or what He says then its a sin to do that, but if God seemingly is silent on the matter, its best to honor that law. Also the law is there to protect the people which is what it say in Romans 13 that the government is suppose to do.

laura-ann
19th September 2004, 09:52 PM
i also clicked not sure, however.. the more i think about it the more it seems to be a sin... speeding IS breaking the law, and the bible says that we must live by the laws of our country so I guess it is... also it isint showing respect for others lives in some circumstances.

indeep
21st September 2004, 03:29 AM
Here's the thing, we're told to obey the authorities... but there are circumstances under which speeding might be reasonable.

hmmmm...

Are some things that are wrong that are not sins?

brinny
21st September 2004, 11:30 PM
yes it is if it's wanton disregard for the speed limit and safety of others. An ambulance or police car or a man trying to get his wife (who's in labor) to the hospital is not.

okiemommy26
26th September 2004, 04:15 PM
yes it is because its against the law and we are to obey the laws

XxAuroraxX
2nd October 2004, 03:39 PM
speeding is what it is... nothing more, nothing less. its not good to assiociate everything bad as being a sin.

night2day
2nd October 2004, 05:00 PM
Since it places the individual him/herself at risk as well as everyone else on the road with them...I say yes. Except for the very rare exceptions where a life is in danger.

I like the sign that was in one funeral home window:

"Go ahead. Take your time. We'll wait." :D

Neal
7th October 2004, 09:18 AM
Funny thing is, though, that rule is debatable. Like, if the speed limit were 55 mph on a crowded highway, and everybody were going 70 mph, it would extremely unsafe to stay at 55 mph! So in the interest of safety, I would keep up with the flow of traffic. I think that's a general rule of thumb. So I think you can't call it a sin if it wasn't clearly defined in the first place.

Petrarch
19th November 2004, 12:48 AM
Just because an action is illegal does not make it sinful. Receiving a speeding ticket does not guarantee that a person will be condemned to hell, or even necessitate a great deal of repentance. However, if speeding causes harm to another person, that is sinful.

Glorilou
19th November 2004, 03:21 PM
Speeding is breaking the law, therefore it is a sin.

FieryKnight
19th November 2004, 03:32 PM
We are to obey the laws of God and man. So rebellion against authority (sin) is a sin. If you look as it as - the devil wants all humans, especially Christians, dead (he thinks he can hurt God more that way) - studies have shown that the higher the speed - the higher the number of fatalities. Less time to react to obstacles (deer, other cars, drunk drivers, etc) and great the impact from crashes. More damage to the body, even with a seat belt on. If it is a life and death situation (not a sale about to end at the mall :) ) but an actually physical emergency, you have to make the decision at the time.

Go to sleep 1/2 hour early, wake up a 1/2 hour early, Pray, Read Your Bible, and get on the road 15 minutes early, so you don't have to speed (for being late somewhere). My kids are 9 and 13 - believe me, they start watching after age 8, whether you speed or not, and whether you stop completely at stop signs (oops - rolling stop) :(
Plus you waste gas when you speed. Mostly you can hurt yourself and others - so it is a sin.

PaladinGirl
19th November 2004, 03:41 PM
I guess speeding would be considered a sin since it's breaking the law. But then again, you're supposed to go with the flow of the traffic and most people don't go 55 miles per hour in a 55 miles per hour speed zone. Most people around here go 60-65 miles per hour in a 55 miles per hour speed zone and don't get pulled over for it usually.

OddBeani
19th November 2004, 03:45 PM
i concur...it is a sin, many traffic fatalities happen because ppl speed...

Victrixa
19th November 2004, 03:53 PM
Speeding is grave sin, in my opinion. Because, one, it's being disobedient to the nation's law. Also, because speeding can endanger the life of your passengers, the life of other vehicle drivers on the road and your own life. So, to endanger people's lives is equal to murder or intention to murder. A vehicle is a weapon when misused.

OddBeani
19th November 2004, 03:59 PM
And furthermore, think about it this way...a lot of people have those fish stickies on their cars, the ones that stand for Jesus and Creationism, or bumper stickers that represent God. Now, if you are a regular motorist, or perhaps a pedestrian whom gets cut off at a crosswalk by some speeding guy with a God bumper sticker, what is that person going to think? We are supposed to be a light for the world, not run through lights of the world...

rosenherman
19th November 2004, 04:13 PM
There's an old saying: The last part of a Christian to be converted is their right foot.

ascribe2thelord
19th November 2004, 04:42 PM
:preach:
The power of the LORD was on Elijah, and he tucked his mantle under his belt and ran ahead of Ahab to the entrance of Jezreel (1 Kings 18:46).

He sends His command throughout the earth; His Word runs swiftly (Psalm 147:15).

Therefore, we may conclude that it is the hallmark of godliness to exceed the speed limits by as much as possible.

Personally, I enjoy flying down two-lane country roads at 90 mph, just passing anybody and everybody in sight. But I always slow down for curves and other road hazards.

p_kitha
19th November 2004, 09:42 PM
There is no such thing as a small sin or big sin all are the same!

chris714ndud3
22nd November 2004, 12:25 AM
not sure

Artificial Intelligence
22nd November 2004, 12:38 AM
heh I was engaged to a lady like 7 years ago. I found out that she liked to speed. I mean recklessly at that. It was the only thing we ever argued about. I prayed hard that she would be rational about it. She started to have dreams of having car accidents. She lost her drivers license from speeding so much, all the time... always. Finally she said "I dont need a maaaan to rule my life" and she drove off. hehe yeah save speeding for the track, or at least the open highway where cops let you off. Zipping through city traffic +20 miles an hour is lame. Sure you may be a great driver but the other guy ain't.

Thankful75
22nd November 2004, 12:42 AM
If its in your law, then its a sin to speed because you are opposing the authority that God has set in place - all authority comes from God. Peace :)

Jag


I agree with Jag.

LeftBehind
22nd November 2004, 01:23 AM
and where you are speeding.

LeftBehind
22nd November 2004, 01:25 AM
crazy drivers are scary, especially when you are in their car and they are tail-gaiting people.

LeftBehind
22nd November 2004, 01:27 AM
the worst thing about speeders is their utter disregard for the real danger of rapture.
jk

LeftBehind
22nd November 2004, 02:00 AM
making your friends listen to country music, seems more unforgivable then speeding.

LeftBehind
22nd November 2004, 02:02 AM
I maintain my belief that God can even forgive people who listen to country music and, inconcievable as it may be, people who make others listen to country music.

all I can say is amazing grace. can I get an amen?

Evee
22nd November 2004, 02:08 AM
There is no such thing as a small sin or big sin all are the same! I hope you don't mind I disagree but I couldn't let that go by without replying.
Steal Cigarettes or murder.
Nope not the same and if it is I call Christianity quits.
Talk about unjust!

LeftBehind
22nd November 2004, 02:35 AM
I know what you mean evee. it is obvious that sins vary in gravity.

Hisbygrace
22nd November 2004, 02:51 AM
Is speeding a sin? Is sampling a peanut at the grocery store without asking permission a sin? Is there such things a little or big sins?

Romans 13 is a good chapter for an answer to the question of speeding. In it Paul tells us to be submissive to our appointed authorities, because they have been appointed by God.
The question concerning the sampling of the peanut, though seemingly such a little thing, is for all intent and purposes stealing. Because that simple peanut belongs to the store and not you.
For the third question, no there is no such thing as little or big sins, though some may disagree, sin is sin and all sin is equal. The only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

rubberduckie
22nd November 2004, 03:00 AM
Well, they have different consequences, but think about it. all is disobeying God whether it's murdering someone or stealing a cookie. Us humans, we like to put things on levels, like this sin is way evil, and this one is only slightly evil. It makes us feel more deserving and better people than others who commit "worse" sins. But really we are all sinners, and before knowing Christ all of us are on the same level, eternal death in hell. So first of all you can't really judge non-believers (though I do so often :( ) because they do not know Christ, so what they do is for themselves, not for the glory of God. Also in reality it's the heart that matters. And Jeremiah 17:9 (I think that's the ref.) says "The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked, who can know it" and we know that it is the Lord who searches the hearts of men. He knows our thoughts and everything about us (Psalm 139). We were born sinners and this is our nature before Christ. The new nature continues to struggle with the old selfish nature. But it does not matter what sin in terms of eternal, any sin means separation from God forever. And none of us had to learn how to sin. We can and did do it on our own. And if a believer does not confess regurlarly to God, and does not keep steadfast in prayer with the Lord, it would be better for that person to have murdered someone and confessed and repented than to have a hard heart from everyday temptations and turning his back on the Lord. Not that I'm advocating murder, but it's not soo much the sin that matters, it's the motive of the heart. And a heart for the Lord is what we all need.

jcright
22nd November 2004, 06:44 PM
Yep. Speeding is breaking the law.

faith renewal
22nd November 2004, 07:24 PM
Yes, it is a sin. We are to be faithful to the laws of our government, as long as they are not sinful laws. And there is definitely no such thing as a big or little sin. A sin is a sin is a sin, no matter what. We can never attain perfection, and that is the only thing acceptable to God. Thankfully He sent His son to attain that perfection for us!

ascribe2thelord
22nd November 2004, 11:53 PM
"Never drive faster than your guardian angel can fly."
Mine can fly about 600 mph, fast enough to ensure that I would get to and return safely from Germany the three times I've gone. So, I guess I have nothing against exceeding the limit, unless of course it's dangerous to do so

k
23rd November 2004, 12:19 AM
It breaks the law, but I don't think it's a "sin."

madtapa
23rd November 2004, 12:29 AM
I hesitantly say yes. We don't want to think of it as a sin, especially when it is so common and handy when we're in a rush. However, God told us to submit to authority, and the government is authority, so we should follow the laws they have set down. This includes speeding, trivial as it seems.

chosen_boss
23rd November 2004, 02:52 AM
Speeding is only a sin because God put the law enforcement peeps above us and they told us not to. so theres your answer

blackwasp
23rd November 2004, 03:54 AM
You're a sin.

wackyjo
23rd November 2004, 11:42 AM
dont think its a sin, and if it was it wouldnt be so big

kissybug27
23rd November 2004, 01:40 PM
Is speeding a sin? Is sampling a peanut at the grocery store without asking permission a sin? Is there such things a little or big sins?

Somewhere in the bible I believe it says that we are to follow mans law as long as it doesn't go against God's law.I'm not exactly sure where but that is what I have been told. Excuse me if I'm wrong. And seeing how the law says you are suppose to stay at or below the speed LIMIT then it would be a sin to go over it. The same goes for running stop sighs and red lights.

Sampling a peanut at a grocery store with asking permission would be stealing unless it said ...SAMPLE TRY ME...or something like that and Thou Shalt Not Steal pretty much says that one is a sin.

Sin is sin and although in my human mind killing someone is a greater sin then telling a little white lie, that little white lie will send you to hell just as fast as if you killed someone.

God bless

Droobie
7th July 2005, 12:58 AM
So is breaking the law a sin?

Richard
7th July 2005, 01:26 AM
So is breaking the law a sin?

Yes

rosenherman
7th July 2005, 08:48 AM
Is speeding a sin? Is sampling a peanut at the grocery store without asking permission a sin? Is there such things a little or big sins?
Yes, that's stealing.

Living_4_Eternity
7th July 2005, 10:49 AM
Yes it is a sin! It seems like a silly sin, but God judges all sins the same.

JCrick
11th July 2005, 08:15 PM
I dont believe its a sin to speed, perhaps if you are speeding and not taking care that would be a sin?

someone_else
11th July 2005, 09:55 PM
yes speeding is a sin... we are told in the bible to obey and respect the laws of our goverment i cant remember the verse its self. sin is sin there is no big or little sin each is upsetting to God.

speed limits are put in place for a reasson to reduce the risk of accidents by breaking the law ans speeding you incresse that risk. by speeding you are putting lives in danger is that a sin

growingupinhim
12th July 2005, 10:39 AM
yes speeding is a sin... we are told in the bible to obey and respect the laws of our goverment i cant remember the verse its self. sin is sin there is no big or little sin each is upsetting to God.

speed limits are put in place for a reasson to reduce the risk of accidents by breaking the law ans speeding you incresse that risk. by speeding you are putting lives in danger is that a sin

yes its romans chpter 13. :thumbsup:

also check out
CarWitness! (http://www.carwitness.org)

AngCath
12th July 2005, 02:48 PM
also check out
CarWitness! (http://www.carwitness.org/)

cool stuff :)

ShilohCity
12th July 2005, 10:21 PM
sure, why not?

xray01
13th July 2005, 06:57 AM
It's breaking the law of the land, which should be adhered to, unless it breaks God's law

JesusQuest
15th July 2005, 04:21 PM
You can put others at risk too, while speeding.

-Lily-
15th July 2005, 06:36 PM
I just had to vote "Yes" because of the hillarious option-description! :D

Evee
15th July 2005, 06:44 PM
No I don't think speeding is a sin but it makes your insurance go up.

Soul_Golem
15th July 2005, 09:05 PM
Is ripping up the roads to ruin other cars that must drive upon them a sin?

Is scaring others around you on the road a sin?

Is risking other people's safety a sin?

What about hitting that deer crossing the road?

What about unnecessarily high gas emissions?

What about all the wrecks on the news during rush hour? Were they speeding? Was it sin?

What I want to know is...if it is sin if you got a pregnant woman or another emergency. The pregnant woman and her baby could die...and any other emergency could be life-threatening.

Is talking on the cell phone when driving a sin?...

Fundamental4Ever
15th July 2005, 09:07 PM
Well, let's use the Word Of God here....:
And they asked him, saying, Master, we know that thou sayest and teachest rightly, neither acceptest thou the person of any, but teachest the way of God truly: Is it lawful for us to give tribute unto Caesar, or no? But he perceived their craftiness, and said unto them, Why tempt ye me? Show me a penny. Whose image and superscription hath it? They answered and said, Caesar's. And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's and unto God the things which be God's. And they could not take hold of his words before the people: and they marveled at his answer, and held their peace. (Luke 20:21-26 KJVR)


---

From this we can know that speeding isn't not obeying the laws of the land. and there isn't giving unto caesar, what is his. (or in our case... our government.

Pat

:)

AvgJoe
16th July 2005, 04:41 PM
Is speeding a sin? Is sampling a peanut at the grocery store without asking permission a sin? Is there such things a little or big sins?

Speeding a sin?

Yes, I believe it is.

Romans 13:1-5(NLT):
1) Obey the government, for God is the one who put it there. All governments have been placed in power by God. 2) So those who refuse to obey the laws of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow. 3) For the authorities do not frighten people who are doing right, but they frighten those who do wrong. So do what they say, and you will get along well. 4) The authorities are sent by God to help you. But if you are doing something wrong, of course you should be afraid, for you will be punished. The authorities are established by God for that very purpose, to punish those who do wrong. 5) So you must obey the government for two reasons: to keep from being punished and to keep a clear conscience.

Part of God's earthly punishment for sin.

Does this mean that we are to follow the government's law if it is contrary to God's Law? I don't think so.


Is sampling a peanut at the grocery store without asking permission a sin?

If they're sitting out for the purpose of being sampled, no it isn't a sin. If they're in a container, sitting on the shelf to be sold and you remove the packaging, take one out to eat, place the lid back on, sit it back on the shelf, that is theft, which is a sin.


Is there such things as little or big sins? Are there degrees of sin?

John 19:11(NLT):
Then Jesus said, "You would have no power over me at all unless it were given to you from above. So the one who brought me to you has the greater sin.

Jesus Himself spoke of greater sins.

Luke 20:45-47(NLT):
45) Then, with the crowds listening, he turned to his disciples and said, 46) "Beware of these teachers of religious law! For they love to parade in flowing robes and to have everyone bow to them as they walk in the marketplaces. And how they love the seats of honor in the synagogues and at banquets. 47) But they shamelessly cheat widows out of their property, and then, to cover up the kind of people they really are, they make long prayers in public. Because of this, their punishment will be the greater."

Jesus also spoke of greater punishment. Can someone receive greater punishment if all sin is the same? God is just. Greater punishment, without having committed a greater degree of sin, is unjust. God will be true to His nature, so there cannot be greater degrees of punishment unless there are greater degrees of sin.

Evee
16th July 2005, 05:41 PM
One day last summer I was speeding along not knowing I was going 45 miles per hour in a 30 mile zone.
I never once thought I had sinned.
I would not even known if I had not recieved a ticket.
It did teach me to be aware though.
I never speed now.

TheMainException
16th July 2005, 05:42 PM
AvgJoe...awesome reply!

Evee
16th July 2005, 05:52 PM
AvgJoe...awesome reply!
Yes I just read the reply again.
I also believe there is greater sins.
All sins are not the same.

AvgJoe
16th July 2005, 05:56 PM
AvgJoe...awesome reply!

Thanks, LAWise! To God be the glory. For, without His Spirit living within, I would be clueless.

Lake
18th July 2005, 01:16 PM
Yep.endangering others,breaking a law. Sins are different in their scale ratio,but if you kill someone.wow

deetersdee
20th July 2005, 02:06 AM
YES but I do it every day anyhow.
I cut down to 5 miles over. I was sitting in stalled traffic and getting really inpatient and angry because the consruction crew ahead had everyone waiting for hours!! THE NERVE!! I had an appointment to get to.
When I was finally able to get passed that pain in the butt guy holding the "slow" sign I saw the fire trucks and ambulance and blood all over a yellow jacket laying on the road.
Apparently an old man got inpatient behind a bus and decided to speed pass. Not seeing the 'Flagger Ahead' sign on the other side of that slow moving bus driver, He hit the flagger head on.
There is now a msg at the fire station that reads "SPEED KILLS, SLOW DOWN"

The really sad thing is: The speeding driver did something that I would have done.
God have mercy.

Redeemed_Warrior
20th July 2005, 02:07 AM
only if you kill someone

Y_Cathol
21st July 2005, 02:55 AM
It is the sin of lawbreaking.

tqpix
21st July 2005, 05:05 AM
If its in your law, then its a sin to speed because you are opposing the authority that God has set in place - all authority comes from God. Peace :)

JagEphesians 6:12.

Redeemed_Warrior
21st July 2005, 05:11 AM
only if you kill someone

I was refering to speed in general, example a F1 car speeds, Speed is not the sin the motive VS the risk to others is the balance,

A Man speeding to the hospital to get his dying wife to the hospital = No Sin
A Man speeding for the thrill of it and endangering others = Sin

tqpix
21st July 2005, 05:14 AM
I was refering to speed in general, example a F1 car speeds, Speed is not the sin the motive VS the risk to others is the balance,

A Man speeding to the hospital to get his dying wife to the hospital = No Sin
A Man speeding for the thrill of it and endangering others = Sin(Another great post by you.) I agree.

Y_Cathol
21st July 2005, 05:35 AM
I was refering to speed in general, example a F1 car speeds, Speed is not the sin the motive VS the risk to others is the balance,

A Man speeding to the hospital to get his dying wife to the hospital = No Sin
A Man speeding for the thrill of it and endangering others = Sin

Very good point - also it is where you speed as well... (in the middle of the desert, I don't think that that's too bad, but if you speed in a town, u endanger many lives, and I don't think that that is right)

faith guardian
21st July 2005, 05:47 AM
Traffic rules are there for a reason. When you break them by speeding you increase the chance of accidents happening by quite a lot. There are other people on the roads who may react in a way you don't expect them to, you might lose control, someone might be hit by your car, and it might have been prevented if you drove at regular speeds.

I have seen many lives completely ruined by car accidents. So many people dead or impaired for life because of some moronic youth who considered himself a good enough driver to drive a bit above the speed limit.

YES, speeding is a sin. It has taken lives, it has destroyed lives. It is reckless and for the most part completely inexcusable. If you love adrenaline, go to a velocidrome or whatever. Drive fast, but don't do so on public roads.

MagicSteve
21st July 2005, 07:26 AM
We must obey the laws of the land. Unless they contravene God's Laws.I don't think that God wants us to risk others lives so that we can get home 5 minutes sooner ;)

Y_Cathol
21st July 2005, 09:21 AM
We must obey the laws of the land. Unless they contravene God's Laws.I don't think that God wants us to risk others lives so that we can get home 5 minutes sooner ;)

Agreed!

deetersdee
21st July 2005, 04:12 PM
I have seen many lives completely ruined by car accidents. So many people dead or impaired for life because of some moronic youth who considered himself a good enough driver to drive a bit above the speed limit.


I would have to say that many young people are very intellegent but due to their inexperience and "invincable" nature they make mistakes. Sometimes mistakes that change their entire life. Where I live age is not a factor, people want to get to where they are going and are inconsiderate AND there are so many crosses that are nailed to trees and line the the side of the roads due to "people" who are driving too fast or drunk drivers. MORONIC is a very strong, not to mention offensive word to use.

GOD BLESS!! even the morons.

EdtheJesusfreak
21st July 2005, 11:35 PM
I would have to say that many young people are very intellegent but due to their inexperience and "invincable" nature they make mistakes. Sometimes mistakes that change their entire life. Where I live age is not a factor, people want to get to where they are going and are inconsiderate AND there are so many crosses that are nailed to trees and line the the side of the roads due to "people" who are driving too fast or drunk drivers. MORONIC is a very strong, not to mention offensive word to use.

GOD BLESS!! even the morons.
I agree. Speeding accidents are not limited to age.

to answer the original question... this falls unde "followig the laws of the land"

eaglex
22nd July 2005, 06:56 PM
Can't really say for sure.

denimpansy
22nd July 2005, 08:44 PM
This is an interesting question considering the fatal consequences that could occur due to speeding. For this reason I voted yes.

bubblegirl23
23rd July 2005, 11:47 AM
Speed = kills

Thou shalt not kill

Therefore, speeding is a sin.


Humans made the car. God was smart enough not to give us one. He didn't want to be responsible for motor vehicle stupidity!

laushe6
23rd July 2005, 12:47 PM
Speeding is a sin in that it endangers the lives of others. Eating a peanut in the store without permission is not because you are testing the quality of the product to determine whether or not you want to buy it. The store would prefer that you not buy it than buy it and return it because it is of poor quality.

Evee
23rd July 2005, 03:50 PM
I would believe that if you are going a few miles over the speed limit and not aware of it, it wouldn't be sin.
If you are going way over the limit I would believe you Would be aware and it would be sin.

MQTA
23rd July 2005, 03:55 PM
are you people drivers or passengers?

"Speeding" is arbitrary. Driving dangerously or uncomfortably for your own safety is one thing, but driving through Speed Traps is another. Speed Limits were originally designed for safety, then in the 70s they were changed for other purposes having nothing to do with safety or even logic.

If you're in a 55 and EVERYONE is going 72, someone going 55 is the DANGER, not everyone else.

KrazyPhish
23rd July 2005, 08:22 PM
I think it is, the bible says to obey the laws of the land.

A speeder ran a red traffic light and only just missed my car, had it hit, my sister probably would of died.

Evee
23rd July 2005, 08:29 PM
are you people drivers or passengers?

"Speeding" is arbitrary. Driving dangerously or uncomfortably for your own safety is one thing, but driving through Speed Traps is another. Speed Limits were originally designed for safety, then in the 70s they were changed for other purposes having nothing to do with safety or even logic.

If you're in a 55 and EVERYONE is going 72, someone going 55 is the DANGER, not everyone else.
I agree with you and speaking of speed traps this town has them set up everywhere.
Do what you want but you must not speed.
I got a speeding ticket and had to go to court and pay a big fee to keep my insurance from going up.
I am very careful now.
I was driving perfectly safe just over the speed limit thats set up here.

Evee
23rd July 2005, 08:36 PM
Is speed traps a sin?
I definitely think they are wrong.

MQTA
23rd July 2005, 08:52 PM
Is speed traps a sin?
I definitely think they are wrong. That's the right question, dear one :)

You want to see sins? Go to the court room and spend a day there, especially here in NY. You want to witness people swear to tell the truth, whole truth, and nothing but the truth and then proceed to LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE.

If there are 2 people swearing, and 2 people saying opposite each other, only ONE can be telling the truth, right? From my perspective, the majority of cases, it's the one who's PAID to tell the TRUTH that is obviously paid to LIE, to make quota, to defend their ego, to battle cognitive dissonence like it's foggy outside.

To me, one's speed is based upon comfort. I've been in 70 MPH zones doing 35 because the weather called for it, and 70 in 55's because if I didn't, 1. I'd fall asleep from boredom, 2. I'd be ran off the road by trucks and cars whizzing by, 3. the 'Limit' isn't what the road was built for, but 1974 gas crisis issues that arbitrarily made 55 the new limit.

Elizabeth Dole did NOT drive, she was only a back seat limosine passenger. Yes, in the backseat of a limo, 55 may seem 'fast', to that lady.

But, then again, those who wish to judge sin, also would judge speed, on their own ideas about them, rather than the logic.

lgintrnj
24th July 2005, 12:29 PM
yes it is. but i am heavy footed, i am sorry to admit. I try, but that lead keeps sliding to the toe of my shoe.

:wave: have a great day Lori

ffman
24th July 2005, 07:52 PM
In my opinon, yes. Many car accidents (which sometimes end with fatalities) happen because one driver or both were speeding. It's better to get somewhere late than not to get there at all.

Petrarch
24th July 2005, 07:55 PM
I think it is, the bible says to obey the laws of the land.


After much thought, I realise that the comitting of a illegal act is what is sinful, and not the speeding itself.

Ric
24th July 2005, 10:37 PM
Is speeding a sin? Is sampling a peanut at the grocery store without asking permission a sin? Is there such things a little or big sins?
Yes

Strimbu
24th July 2005, 10:42 PM
*Pulls Collar* I sure hope speeding isn't a sin...

The Gregorian
24th July 2005, 10:49 PM
I believe sampling a penut in a store without paying for it ... is a 'sin' unless it's what the storeowned expects and wants you to do... if by sampling a tenth of a cent worth of penutes, he can sell you $2 of penutes... I think this is what the storeowner wants.

Also it depends on what's in you're heart. If you say "these penutes look nice... but I'm not sure if I want to buy them..." you eat one, it tastes good, you buy them. I don't think God would mind. However "ooo penutes... I can get away with stealing them, mwahahaha." and you eat one. That certainly wouldn't be a good thing.

I DO think there is such a thing as a "big" or "little" sin. Yes... technically, even if the storeowner made a profit he otherwise wouldn't have made by your sample, you did steal... but I don't think God sees this as something as bad as murdering the store owner, then stealing all his peanuts..

No sin is "OK" but... we aren't perfect, and some sin is more easily forgiven than others. If you steal a penut or speed BECAUSE YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH IT.... I don't think God would like that very much... but if your food gets a little heavy and you go a little over, it's an honest mistake, and I don't think God would think twice at all about forgiving you.

which also brings up the point: Murder. If you're attacked, and while trying to get away from the person, someone dies. That, I believe, is forgivable. If someone just looks at you funny, and you kill him to defend yourself knowing that it's ok because God will forgive you... that's not OK... that's taking advantage of God's forgiveness. I think it's mostly about the intent. Anything you do... if you do it in order to hurt someone... god won't like it.... but even something as bad as murder... if you honestly didn't mean to, and you're honestly repentant for doing it... I don't think God would have a problem at all forgiving you.

MQTA
25th July 2005, 12:34 AM
In my opinon, yes. Many car accidents (which sometimes end with fatalities) happen because one driver or both were speeding. It's better to get somewhere late than not to get there at all. not to mention the countless ones where the other driver was going to slow, compared to the rest of traffic. Or cuts someone off, no matter what speed; or is totally fatigued, or on cough medicine, or talking on their cell phone, or adjusting the radio, or yelling at their kids in the back seat, or not paying attention nearly missing their exit and try to get off from the left lane, or just plain being POOR drivers.

Kusanagi
25th July 2005, 02:11 AM
I dont beleve that speeding is a sin.

faith guardian
25th July 2005, 03:14 AM
I dont beleve that speeding is a sin.

Why not? You're endangering other people while speeding, aren't you?

MQTA
25th July 2005, 03:30 AM
Why not? You're endangering other people while speeding, aren't you? Not unless you drive wrecklessly.

What IS "speeding"? Is it an arbitrary thing like what someone deems to post a sign?

So it's "speeding" when the speed limit on a road is 55 for 20 years, but then it's suddenly NOT "speeding" when they raise the sign to 65 or 70? People are still doing the same 72 MPH, nothing has changed but the sign.

If you drive at 68 in a 65 and the sign changes to 55 for 3 miles, if you continue to do 68, are you endangering other people? Only if you slow down while the guy behind you maintains his speed.

Droobie
25th July 2005, 03:47 AM
We would be defining speeding here as; driving above the displayed legal limit. We're not talking about safe driving, or how fast is too fast. The main point of the topic at hand is breaking the law as set by the authorities.

I agree, the cars of today are much safer in terms of stability, handling and braking ability than those cars built/designed many years ago. However a speed limit has been posted by the government/council of the land. Is it okay to break this limit?

MQTA
25th July 2005, 05:30 AM
Show me someone going at or below any given posted limit and you'll see a whole lot of angry people following him/her

If one tends to be at 43 in a 25, 30, 35 or 40, apparently the posted limit should be 40 or 45

The only signs that safety becomes an issue were supposed to be the yellow curve signs, they were supposed to be set based upon the road condition and proper curve rise.

Post Speed Limits seem to have turned into quota systems for raising revenue for govt and insurance companies.

The problem is when reality and fantasy don't agree.

Laws of the land seem to be looked at from the wrong angle. The laws are supposed to protect me from you, not so the governing body can raise money with arbitrary Posts.

pentecostalgirl0414
25th July 2005, 05:40 AM
yes. it is.

faith guardian
26th July 2005, 02:33 AM
Not unless you drive wrecklessly.

What IS "speeding"? Is it an arbitrary thing like what someone deems to post a sign?

So it's "speeding" when the speed limit on a road is 55 for 20 years, but then it's suddenly NOT "speeding" when they raise the sign to 65 or 70? People are still doing the same 72 MPH, nothing has changed but the sign.

If you drive at 68 in a 65 and the sign changes to 55 for 3 miles, if you continue to do 68, are you endangering other people? Only if you slow down while the guy behind you maintains his speed.

Does this not depend on the roads you travel on? The american highways are straight and flat enough for the drivers to see a looong stretch of road. Provided the cars are in good enough condition, and the drivers aren't fools, high speeds at such roads should be safe.
Then again, a lot of the testosterone crazed speed-freaks ARE fools. Men in their teens and early twenties often speed. Feeling overly confident about their driving skills, they are also more prone to make mistakes. As this age group also lacks the budget for high quality cars, just do the maths...

The government should set a speed limit which takes the average car quality in that nation into consideration. The quality of the roads, the quality of driver's education demanded and such things.Everyone should follow these speed limits because traffic is easier to be in as a driver when everyone is travelling at roughly similar speeds, not someone slow as a snail, and others racing with death. There is a time to conform, and while driving is such a time. Your car is not a toy. It is a tool with a lethal potential if misused. Not caring about laws IS abusing this tool.

In our nation where nature (loads of mountains, and otherwise cmbersome terrain) and population (which is very low) does not allow for roads of the same form.
We can't blow away a mountain range to build a wide stretch of road after all. On these roads, speeding IS driving recklessly. Also, if you speed on roads going through populated area, say downtown somewhere for instance, speeding means you are driving recklessly. Even in America, with your (typically) wide roads.

MQTA
26th July 2005, 02:54 AM
The 'safe' speed is the speed in which most cars are moving at, given the roads, given the conditions, given the location. Most drivers feel comfortable at a level, and when they go above it, tend to slow back down to the comfort level. The signs on the side of the road only govern what a cop can pull you over and how much you'll pay. I think it's a petty way to do nothing but raise money. I think the enforcement should be out there looking with their eyes, not a radar gun, at people driving poorly, wrecklessly, and dangerously. We all see those people weaving in and out, and passing you like you were standing still. The laws we have are arbitrary money raisers. The real limit, any given day, is seen in the Flow of Traffic. The Speed Limits are not beneficial in most cases.

As I said, those yellow cautionary signs, those are usually good suggestions for curves, but otherwise, most people find their comfort level. The slower ones are the hazards.

Daisysqueaks
26th July 2005, 04:07 PM
I put speeding is a sin because it is set a law. Break the speed limit, break the law. Course I'm not going to throw stones cuz I have been guilty of goin over the limit myself.:blush:

MQTA
26th July 2005, 04:39 PM
But all laws have been fulfilled

someone_else
26th July 2005, 05:32 PM
i think it has been proven that the faster you go the longer it takes to stop and you cant control the enviroment around you like a animal or child walking out infront of your car. wether people feel 'comfortable' going over the speed limit is not the issue here nor is the reason the speed limits have been set. the point here is that the limits have been set they are law we are to obey that law. i really get annoyed when people take these threads in a diffrent direction to change the purpose of it.

i think most people agree that breaking the law is a sin. so if you exceed the speed limit you are breaking the law therfore its a sin. we may not like the law but Gods word does not go against speed limits so lets glorify our lord and do the right thing.

would Jesus exceeded the speed limit i dont think he would have so lets try and be a little more like him hey isnt that what we all want. to be more like jesus

MQTA
26th July 2005, 05:35 PM
and you're entitled to your opinion. I'd say look out on any highway and you'll see Reality. The speed limits were made by people 50-60 years ago with putt putt cars and until recently nobody even had the smarts to remove the 55 restriction put on when our gas guzzlers were on the road in 1974 when 'they' held back the oil from us.

How long did it take you to get gas in 1974? OH, gee, how old were you then?

MQTA
26th July 2005, 05:38 PM
I find it amazing how things get extrapolated up and down in writing and forums, but they don't seem to match what the rest of the world is doing.

The laws were made for Post-situation. The least experienced drivers should use them as a strong guideline, but they don't, for the most part, unfortunately.

Opinions here don't change what's out there, at all. Sometimes I wonder if someone is telling the truth, or what they'd like us to think they think... and if it's the latter, wow.. how sad for our future it is. Oh well. Can only worry about yourself, anyway

Woody
26th July 2005, 07:34 PM
Well we are ment to follow the law (within reason of God's law) so technically yes?
I'm not quite sure.....but i did vote yes.
If God told you not to do something, i think you would listen to him, cos he's not just gonna give you a fine and send you on your merry way ya know....

feo
26th July 2005, 10:11 PM
Well we are ment to follow the law (within reason of God's law) so technically yes?
I'm not quite sure.....but i did vote yes.
If God told you not to do something, i think you would listen to him, cos he's not just gonna give you a fine and send you on your merry way ya know....

I sometimes keep up with traffic... maybe do 5 over... *shrugs* thats not seperating me from God :)

brinny
26th July 2005, 10:18 PM
Is speeding a sin?

:doh:

someone_else
27th July 2005, 03:51 AM
you know your right the speed limits were set a long time ago and your probably right when you say that some need to be changed. i travel on the highway and on main inercity roads every day to get to and from work so i see whats on the highway most days its a bunch of morons who cause accidents. if you feel ok about breaking the speed limit for what ever reason you do it thats your choice but i still feel that its a sin because you are breaking the law. even if that law needs to be changed its still the law. i wont be facing God for your actions you will and if you dont feel conficted by God about how you drive then fine but i feel i should obey the law even if i dont agree with it. God bless MQTA glad we can have these chats LOL

faith guardian
27th July 2005, 03:53 AM
you know your right the speed limits were set a long time ago and your probably right when you say that some need to be changed. i travel on the highway and on main inercity roads every day to get to and from work so i see whats on the highway most days its a bunch of morons who cause accidents. if you feel ok about breaking the speed limit for what ever reason you do it thats your choice but i still feel that its a sin because you are breaking the law. even if that law needs to be changed its still the law. i wont be facing God for your actions you will and if you dont feel conficted by God about how you drive then fine but i feel i should obey the law even if i dont agree with it. God bless MQTA glad we can have these chats LOL

Well, that's definately not the case here. Our speed limits have fluctuated with time, and still do.
They are what they should be. Neither too high nor too low.

someone_else
27th July 2005, 04:07 AM
yeah most of ours i think are ok and i know that they often asses them and stuff but maybe not in america where MQTA is.

faith guardian
27th July 2005, 04:09 AM
yeah most of ours i think are ok and i know that they often asses them and stuff but maybe not in america where MQTA is.

The highways in TX certainly had too low speed limits when I visited... They are good enough for higher speeds I think.

MQTA
27th July 2005, 04:24 AM
yeah most of ours i think are ok and i know that they often asses them and stuff but maybe not in america where MQTA is.

Oh, yeah, that could be the difference in our view. LOL. I don't know what the speed limits are like outside the USA, except for Canada. Now that I think about it, Canada seemed to be fair. The limits were ok prior to 1974, given the cars and roads and gas situation, but when they made it 55 on all roads they lost most drivers; all they gained was revenue when ever they felt like blitzing the middle class for money.

I look at things from a safety and survival point of view... when it's raining, I don't care if I'm in a 70, I probably won't be doing much over 50. When it's snowing, I won't be doing much over 30. And when on a long trip in dry weather in the middle of the night, I was always doing whatever I was doing, regardless of the signs.

They say, when in Rome.... well.. when on the USA highways.... keeping with the flow is a lot safer than becoming an obstacle.

Cajun Huguenot
27th July 2005, 04:37 AM
Romans 13 says yes it is a sin.

MQTA
27th July 2005, 05:02 AM
ah, so it's a control issue. I see. whatever

faith guardian
27th July 2005, 06:11 AM
Oh, yeah, that could be the difference in our view. LOL. I don't know what the speed limits are like outside the USA, except for Canada. Now that I think about it, Canada seemed to be fair. The limits were ok prior to 1974, given the cars and roads and gas situation, but when they made it 55 on all roads they lost most drivers; all they gained was revenue when ever they felt like blitzing the middle class for money.

I look at things from a safety and survival point of view... when it's raining, I don't care if I'm in a 70, I probably won't be doing much over 50. When it's snowing, I won't be doing much over 30. And when on a long trip in dry weather in the middle of the night, I was always doing whatever I was doing, regardless of the signs.

They say, when in Rome.... well.. when on the USA highways.... keeping with the flow is a lot safer than becoming an obstacle.

You are suggesting fluctuating speed limits in accordance to temporary settings like weather?!

Funny you should mention that. Some places in Oslo they are doing that right now. Have been for a couple of years. I imagine the signs are a bit expensive though... As they can change to anything really, they consist of really powerful LEDs. So I doubt they would work in Redneck county where people shoot signs with shotguns, pistols and the like... Crazy americans ;)

Spawn117
27th July 2005, 06:27 AM
Is speeding a sin? Is sampling a peanut at the grocery store without asking permission a sin? Is there such things a little or big sins?

Speeding is a sin,

lives are at stake

Sampling a peanut isnt a sin- as u said it was only sampling and u have to try before u by!

Murder is a big sin! therefore u will be punished harshly

decieving is a lighter sin and u will be punished lighter!


if every1 got punished be either a same sin that was either Heavy or Light the world would be corrupt or to hurt and there would be an imbalance!

faith guardian
27th July 2005, 06:58 AM
Speeding is a sin,

lives are at stake

Sampling a peanut isnt a sin- as u said it was only sampling and u have to try before u by!

Murder is a big sin! therefore u will be punished harshly

decieving is a lighter sin and u will be punished lighter!


if every1 got punished be either a same sin that was either Heavy or Light the world would be corrupt or to hurt and there would be an imbalance!

Sin is sin is sin.
One sin, even a white lie is enough to separate ourselves from God.
Some sins have more dire consequences than others - such as murder, or sexual immorality. But that does not mean they are "more sin" than others. Like stealing or lying. A sin is a sin, and the universal consequence is that it is, no matter the size, a wedge between us and God.

MQTA
27th July 2005, 01:38 PM
You are suggesting fluctuating speed limits in accordance to temporary settings like weather?!

Funny you should mention that. Some places in Oslo they are doing that right now. Have been for a couple of years. I imagine the signs are a bit expensive though... As they can change to anything really, they consist of really powerful LEDs. So I doubt they would work in Redneck county where people shoot signs with shotguns, pistols and the like... Crazy americans ;)

No, I was saying that the Speed Limits do not control the actual speed 'normal and safe' drivers actually do. The limit is always 65 or 70 on super highways, but my actual speed is based upon the Day itself.. if it's dry or wet, how much traffic there is, what they're doing.

The problem isn't people doing 43 in a 35, it's that they should be doing 43 in a realistic 45. The only time people get tickets is at the end of the month or when a new trainee is learning how to use radar. Then everyone seems to get ticketed for 43. Obviously 43 is the 'safe' and realistic speed.

I also believe that laws are to protect me from you and visa versa, not for the government to utilize to Make Money.

The corruption is on the govt side, precidence, and clearly commonly known; NOT the people going about their daily lives.

The people here must be all lawyers and government agents, or they're just not living in America. The way it is, is. Reality rules, regardless of any 16 yr old non-driver's opinions to the contrary.

Spawn117
27th July 2005, 07:40 PM
Sin is sin is sin.
One sin, even a white lie is enough to separate ourselves from God.
Some sins have more dire consequences than others - such as murder, or sexual immorality. But that does not mean they are "more sin" than others. Like stealing or lying. A sin is a sin, and the universal consequence is that it is, no matter the size, a wedge between us and God.

i didnt say sin wasnt a sin!

when i meant 'more' i meant a larger sin.

u seem to be readin my post wrongly....ill translate it for u

When we sin we are punished according to our sin whether large or small, the consequences will be adjusted by God to that sin!:thumbsup:

Jatopian
27th July 2005, 10:49 PM
Romans 13 says yes it is a sin.Paul != God. Paul != Jesus. Me = exasperated.

MQTA
28th July 2005, 03:23 AM
Paul != God. Paul != Jesus.

good point

Imagine_your_dreams
28th July 2005, 01:14 PM
Yes, but just the same, sadly I do it.

Lake
28th July 2005, 01:22 PM
gosh,this makes so much sense,thanks!:cool: It is the sin of lawbreaking.

pumanator
5th August 2005, 03:42 AM
I drive for a living and used to train truckers to handle gasoline tankers and now I drive special needs kids. You betcha traffic violations are a sin. The vehicle code is written in blood folks. I have witnessed ppl die at impact and I see daily, beyond stupid stunts around my school bus.

But worst of all...when I see a fish or christian sticker I am grieved and have personally removed them from my jeep not because I think I'm a bad driver but I find myself pretty bent outta shape w/ others sometimes and because I drive (have too) as close to the speed limit as possible I get ppl on my tail they want to speed and I don't always pull over (mtn rds) and don't want to give them the excuss to bad mouth God.

lecture over...drive safe...not fair if you get to heaven before me :)

Give'imGlory
5th August 2005, 06:18 PM
Well I voted yes because I thought I read something somewhere in the NT that if you break some law created by the government or something then you are sinning against god too because he put the people in authority.

Maybe some1 can remember where on the NT it's written. (wow I just had a thought...if god put everyone in authority where they are then why are most people in authority EVIL?) <--(dont answer that)

Peace

Oh yeah and if it really is a sin then I am the biggest sinner of all. It is impossible for me to stay at 45!!!!!!! HURRY UP AND MOVE! WHAT ARE YOU DOING, CRUISING? DOES IT TAKE 5 MINUTES TO MAKE THAT RIGHT HAND TURN? ;)

grrltoangl
5th August 2005, 06:23 PM
the bible says to obey mans laws, so i feel speeding is a sin..... but it is no bigger or smaller than any other sin

Give'imGlory
5th August 2005, 06:27 PM
i didnt say sin wasnt a sin!

when i meant 'more' i meant a larger sin.

u seem to be readin my post wrongly....ill translate it for u

When we sin we are punished according to our sin whether large or small, the consequences will be adjusted by God to that sin!:thumbsup:

I'm sorry, I try not to pick on teenagers but can you give me some scripture to back up your claim?

GodsSamus
5th August 2005, 07:10 PM
Is speeding a sin? Is sampling a peanut at the grocery store without asking permission a sin? Is there such things a little or big sins?

A small sin seperates us from God. No excuses.

Jatopian
5th August 2005, 07:56 PM
"Render unto Caesar what is due Caesar" but what is due Caesar? Sometimes sin is necessary, besides.

HisLilyWhitePrincess
6th August 2005, 01:07 AM
I've battled this one, but God does say to honor authority, but what about when it's dangerous(literally) to go the speed limit? All sin is equal w/ God, except blasphemy

flaglady
24th August 2005, 06:01 PM
In the British Highway code it says one should 'make progress' and not cause an obstruction. So going at 30mph when everyone else is doing 40 (as an example!) is technically causing an obstruction but it's also breaking the law!

I'm afraid I do at times drive at 35-40mph in a 30 mile zone, 45-50mph in a 40 mile zone etc. But I'm only going with the flow of traffic. I still know I'm breaking the law and that's a sin! :bow:

Maja
26th August 2005, 07:05 PM
Yes, speeding is a sin. We have been commanded to follow man's law. "Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's." This means that the amount Ceasar charged in taxes were to be paid.


Also, sin is sin.....not big or small...it is all the same in the eyes of the Lord.

Stacey
26th August 2005, 11:34 PM
Well breaking the law is a sin isn't it? Like if you're pushin' 120km/h in a 50...

pumanator
27th August 2005, 07:32 PM
In California it is against the law to drive faster than is safe to do so according to conditions ie weather, type of road etc. Impeeding traffic (which is driving BELOW the speed limit) is also a violation. Here there is no flow of traffic law. In general the flow of traffic is 75 to 80 mph in the 65 zones. Those that understand physics will note what happens at these higher speeds and why accedents tend to be more catestrophic. Best advise in when possible pull aside or use the slow lane but NO ONE has the right to push you to speed.:mad: In Germany they hammer tailgaters but bood and look for them on a regular basis. :thumbsup:

immersedingrace
27th August 2005, 10:33 PM
We're to obey the laws of the land. To not to is a sin.

Blessings

Kasualty
27th August 2005, 10:42 PM
me no know

Augustine_Was_Calvinist
31st August 2005, 01:51 PM
Is speeding a sin?I could be, and in most cases it is, however there are exceptions, such as emergencies. The question really isn't proposed in it's full context. One could ask, is lying a sin? Not always. Rahab lied to the military guards of Jericho and she was adopted into the family of God for her faith.[p][i] Is sampling a peanut at the grocery store without asking permission a sin? Yes, it is covetousness acting out in the flesh as stealing.[p] Is there such things a little or big sins? Again, the query is not really in proper context. Are there sins which have greater punishment than others? Yes. Does it take a little sin or big sin to land you in hell? It only takes one, no matter what it is.




Is sampling a peanut at the grocery store without asking permission a sin? Is there such things a little or big sins?

AngryNotice
1st September 2005, 02:35 PM
Is speeding a sin? Is sampling a peanut at the grocery store without asking permission a sin? Is there such things a little or big sins?

I wouldnt consider speeding a sin, our sins consist of what God says are sins.

pumanator
1st September 2005, 11:33 PM
New testament says clearly to obey the laws of the land and that the servant of the Lord carries not the sword in vain.:preach:

Augustine_Was_Calvinist
2nd September 2005, 11:24 AM
New testament says clearly to obey the laws of the land and that the servant of the Lord carries not the sword in vain.:preach:

Let's suppose that the "law of the land", demanded that you and your wife abort every conceptus past your first child.

Should you obey that law?

pumanator
2nd September 2005, 01:12 PM
Gods law always trumps law of land. Obey God 1st then the government He has ordained, then your employer and on down the line of command that God has set up. It becomes imperfect when we don't look to God's law 1st.

Augustine_Was_Calvinist
2nd September 2005, 01:15 PM
Gods law always trumps law of land. Obey God 1st then the government He has ordained, then your employer and on down the line of command that God has set up. It becomes imperfect when we don't look to God's law 1st.

Very good. Just wanted some clarity to make sure we are on the same page.

So, we agree that any law of man that would have a child of God violate the law of God is not to be adhered to by the Christian?

Mashley
2nd September 2005, 01:23 PM
Speeding is a sin. It's breaking the law. The government is used by God to take care of the people. That doesn't always happen like it's supposed to, but we should obey the laws as long as they aren't against God.
About the peanut sampling. My mom always taught me that if it hadn't been payed for, then I better not eat it, because it didn't belong to me yet. I have a friend whose mom let her eat food in the store, before it was purchased. One day, she offered me some, and told me that it was okay to eat it. I was so confused. I had been taught that it was wrong by my mom, but another leader in the church was telling me it was okay. But, I stick to the "if it's not yours, then don't eat it" rule.

Augustine_Was_Calvinist
2nd September 2005, 02:19 PM
Speeding is a sin. It's breaking the law. The government is used by God to take care of the people. That doesn't always happen like it's supposed to, but we should obey the laws as long as they aren't against God.
About the peanut sampling. My mom always taught me that if it hadn't been payed for, then I better not eat it, because it didn't belong to me yet. I have a friend whose mom let her eat food in the store, before it was purchased. One day, she offered me some, and told me that it was okay to eat it. I was so confused. I had been taught that it was wrong by my mom, but another leader in the church was telling me it was okay. But, I stick to the "if it's not yours, then don't eat it" rule.

Is speeding always a sin?

What if your mother had just cut the arteries in her wrists while peeling potatoes and was bleeding to death, giving you 10 minutes to drive her to a hospital that is normally a 15 minute drive at the posted speed.

Would it be a sin to break the law to save your mother?

pumanator
4th September 2005, 12:22 AM
That's a strawman arguement. My question at this point is, why? You can "what if" yourself to distraction. Is it about speeding (ie bad driving) or misgivings about mans laws? I have witnessed ppl die at the point of impact and daily watch ppl reach new heights of stupid, dangerous driving. Yesterday I had one person past my school bus over the double yellow at the same time a person in fire staion utility truck pass me on the right (no he was not on the way to a fire). I have driven commercially for over a decade and have been a driver trainer and also have a 2yr degree (no dumb truck driver comments plz). Most accidents are due partly because of over speed by one or more parties. Anyway paramedics are going to get to you faster than you can get to the e-room. This discussion I beleive in some ways reaching for something other than the issue of driving too fast.

PastorStephanos
5th September 2005, 02:53 AM
Thats up too what speeding you are aiming on. If going 10 or 15 miles over limits this is normal and sometimes cops oversee that, but if we are talking about high speed, thats would be endangering your life (suiciding which is a sin) endangering others (killing is a sin)

OddBeani
5th September 2005, 04:54 AM
Is speeding always a sin?

What if your mother had just cut the arteries in her wrists while peeling potatoes and was bleeding to death, giving you 10 minutes to drive her to a hospital that is normally a 15 minute drive at the posted speed.

Would it be a sin to break the law to save your mother?


Anyone who says they wouldnt speed in a circumstance like that is one of two things
1. a bold liar
2. really inconsiderate about another person...yes, I know the argument of "what if you were speeding to save your mom and hit another car and and and..." The point is?


Anyway paramedics are going to get to you faster than you can get to the e-room. This discussion I beleive in some ways reaching for something other than the issue of driving too fast.


ROFL...have YOU ever been in an ambulence? They do not hurry. They have to stabilize, get orders via radio, questions from patient is there is no LOC, tons of stuff. I was in a BAD car accident and all they did was waste time, stuff they very well could have done elsewhere, besides that, they took the main roads, not the short cut, which wouldve saved like 10 minutes (we got Tboned in the sticks) and if I had been critical or something I'd be dead. EMS is a great thing but I know from personal experience they do NOT always get there expediantly. Sure once everything is loaded and stuff they go quickly, but really...I did EMS stuff for a short time and through that I know there is so much bueacracy in it that in emergencies sometimes protocol overrides the imminent death.

Nathan585
5th September 2005, 05:17 PM
We are told to obey the law of the land. Speed limits fall into that category. What else could be said?

Ohiomom2
6th September 2005, 09:34 AM
Speeding is a sin since we are commanded to respect our governments, if we speed then we are going against our government and disobeying God's commands. The only time we are allowed to go against our government is when it goes against what God would have us do, such as if we were commanded to kill someone by a government official we would have grounds for not obeying since it goes against His commands for us. I never used to think so since when I was a kid my mom and dad would let us have a couple grapes since we were buying them but now I see that as stealing. We aren't paying for those grapes, or nuts, etc so yes we are stealing and that would be a sin. No, a sin is a sin is a sin. I think it is equated in the Bible as such too, a lier isn't given anymore punishment than a murderer does, if they are both unrepenitant of thier sins before God then they both recieve the same punishment when they pass away.

Ohiomom2
6th September 2005, 09:38 AM
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Anyone who says they wouldnt speed in a circumstance like that is one of two things
1. a bold liar
2. really inconsiderate about another person...yes, I know the argument of "what if you were speeding to save your mom and hit another car and and and..." The point is?


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I wouldn't speed and no I am not a liar (but thank you for the judgment of both accounts :( ) or inconsiderate. We have ability to take a CPR and First Aid class to know how to stop the blood flow before helps arrives. So if someone were to hurt themselves I or my DH would perform CPR/first aid until help arrives or while I or both of us (depending if we are both present or not) drive to the hospital. We have to major hospitals where I live so we would be close to either.

Witness Of His Love
21st September 2005, 07:06 PM
People that whip past me while riding in a car scare me. I never learned how to drive so I probably can't answer this one knowledgeably.

I don't take "samples" at the grocery store. It means I go home with sour grapes at times but I feel I can't sample because I didn't pay for it.

The only big sin I can think of is not accepting Jesus as savior.

Firecube2426
22nd September 2005, 10:03 PM
All sin is a sin.

I'm 100% sure that all of you guys have speeded each day.

Guys i'm not sure if going just alittle bit over the speed limit is a sin. I mean if the speed limit is 45 yet i'm goin 49, I don't think the cops would really care. They would pull me over if I went over 5 miles/hr over the speed limit. Now that's a sin, and you've just got yourself a ticket.

Firecube2426
22nd September 2005, 10:04 PM
By the way, what commandment would I be breaking?

AlaskanAngels
23rd September 2005, 04:21 AM
Have you past someone doing a little under the limit? then you did speed, Have you went a little faster on a yellow light? then you did speed. try to get to work a bit faster? you know whats next. I think it is silly to say I WILL NEVER SPEED! never say never, what if you had to get a loved one to the hospital? anyways, breaking the law is a sin, however eating a peanut or grape does not put others in danger, Slow Down!

Firecube2426
23rd September 2005, 06:15 AM
You know something, I would want to see Jesus driving a car and trying not to go over the speed limit (not one mi/hr). LMAO.

Point is, this sin seems to be impossible to avoid. All Agree?

Firecube2426
23rd September 2005, 06:28 AM
Oh and did you guys realize NOT turning your turn signals on is a sin as well as speeding?

GodFlute2
23rd September 2005, 10:53 AM
God did say to obey the lasw of the land, speed limit included.

MQTA
23rd September 2005, 12:22 PM
I'm gonna have to go hang out in traffic court some morning and see what jewelry the 'not guilty pleas' are wearing. Some are not only charged with speeding, but they're told they're lying about it, too.

I'd even bet not a one has ever heard of CF or consider what they're doing to be wrong, or that they were in the wrong.

Jatopian
23rd September 2005, 07:10 PM
God did say to obey the lasw of the land, speed limit included.I only see "render unto Caesar what is due Caesar". This begs the question: What is due Caesar? Surely some actions by government, such as persecution of Christians, are intolerable. And, are the Caesars comparable to modern governments?

Artemis
23rd September 2005, 07:37 PM
I believe it is because not only are you disobeying authorities (authorities God has said He's placed there for a reason), but do you think they just randomly decided to set a speed limit? By going over that speed limit you're becoming a danger not only to yourself but to everyone else on the road.
Safety first, folks. ;)

~A

Firecube2426
23rd September 2005, 09:03 PM
QUESTION

Where's the boundary for overspeeding? 5 miles over the speed limit? 0.0025 over the speed limit? Or directly what it says?

Cause cops would not pull me over for going 2 miles over the speed limit so therefore I have not broken the law for going 47 instead of 45.

Artemis
23rd September 2005, 09:50 PM
You're allowed 5 miles over the speed limit. I've never really understood why.

~A

Nashboo
23rd September 2005, 10:17 PM
seriously, i think that it IS because we are not to disobey the law of man either...

kleptobismol
23rd September 2005, 11:37 PM
yes it goes against authority and the Bible tells us not to do that.

MQTA
24th September 2005, 01:26 AM
when it's not arbitrary, it's followed

Amanda99
24th September 2005, 06:27 PM
What if you're speeding to get to church on time?? lol

sesom
24th September 2005, 06:43 PM
Though we may not agree with the laws man has set for us to obey, The bible tells us that we are to obey authority.

If the law goes against what The Bible tells us, we are still bound by those in authority over us, Jesus is our final authority who will pardon us or punish us if the laws were unjust toward us.

GodsJewel
24th September 2005, 10:46 PM
Yes

RiverSalado
8th October 2005, 07:37 AM
No, otherwise I would not be able to purchase a Ferrari.:D

Rome
8th October 2005, 05:01 PM
Yes, If you are disobeying those put in athuority over you

4square
9th October 2005, 09:08 AM
not if its an accident ;)

Cooter
9th October 2005, 01:14 PM
No, I don't think that speeding is a sin(in and of itself). But if you know you shouldn't be speeding, but are anyway, and then you kill somebody, maybe a little kid, then you got some problems

faith guardian
9th October 2005, 03:07 PM
No, I don't think that speeding is a sin(in and of itself). But if you know you shouldn't be speeding, but are anyway, and then you kill somebody, maybe a little kid, then you got some problems

Q:
Is it only a sin if it hurts someone?

Cooter
9th October 2005, 03:47 PM
Q:
Is it only a sin if it hurts someone?
No, maybe not. We are suppose to follow authority and I do. I don't speed. But did the Lord say "And those that speed faster than others, in transport, will be condemned to an eternity in the Lake of Fire"?? I'm just saying I don't think it's a sin. That doesn't mean go do it. It's a man's law to keep the people in society safe. But as I said before, if you're hurting people in the process, as in other things, I believe it is sinful.

seamonster
9th October 2005, 08:22 PM
I would say that because we are told to obey the laws of the land that speeding could be considered a sin. Then again, if there was a law that abortion was mandatory, would that make it any less a sin if we obeyed the law? (OOh, something to think about...)

Sisof8
9th October 2005, 10:07 PM
yes because you are breaking the law and we are called to obey the governing authorities.

agyevesam
10th October 2005, 09:46 AM
Sin is sin! Of course there are sins that effect our lives more than others. Speeding is breaking the law. Christians should obey the law. Having said that, I guess I should "speed" to confession. I have a lead foot and speed like crazy............:D

trashy
21st October 2005, 10:37 AM
I can't tell you how righteous I got about this at one point.....and to this day I get upset at people who pass me up w/ obvious Christian stickers on their car. And bonus points to the Christians who yell and get angry and flip me off!

MQTA
21st October 2005, 11:47 AM
how convenient

osx
21st October 2005, 11:48 PM
its breaking the law. im not sure id say its a sin.

Amy47
26th October 2005, 10:58 AM
God says to abide by the laws so, we should!

mimipower999
26th October 2005, 11:00 AM
As a cop and a christian, i couldn't agree more

MN John
26th October 2005, 11:41 AM
Even if we weren't commanded to obey civil authorities, it would still be a poor witness to be a scofflaw.

Followers4christ
28th October 2005, 03:32 PM
I'd have to say no it isnt a sin.God Bless

cygnusx1
5th November 2005, 10:51 AM
it is .................... then again going too slow is worse (I am a trucker)

CountryLady
6th November 2005, 01:19 AM
not sure

PeculiarEagle
6th November 2005, 01:41 PM
Yes, it is a sin because we are obeying the civil authorities God has ordained and He specifically tells us to obey them. No, there is no such thing as a small sin and a big sin. Sin is sin.

J4Jesus
6th November 2005, 05:51 PM
Yes - obey the laws of the land

"When running a marathon in your speey Nikes stay out of the school zone or you are speeding! LOL ;) (just kidding! )

MQTA
6th November 2005, 05:53 PM
Yes, it is a sin because we are obeying the civil authorities God has ordained and He specifically tells us to obey them. No, there is no such thing as a small sin and a big sin. Sin is sin. then why are there so many protests and marches and lobbying against the laws by major outspoken groups? Shouldn't they just accept that the law is the law and just obey?

PeculiarEagle
6th November 2005, 06:13 PM
then why are there so many protests and marches and lobbying against the laws by major outspoken groups? Shouldn't they just accept that the law is the law and just obey?

No, we obey the civil authorities unless their edict goes directly against God's commands. For example, we do not say "Yes, let's all abort our babies" since the civil authorities said it was alright. We protest against this because the civil authorities are contridicting God's commands.

J4Jesus
6th November 2005, 06:22 PM
Of course we would obey God's laws even if they contradicted mans laws for His laws are higher.- I was answering the question asked -in regard to speeding.

PeculiarEagle
6th November 2005, 06:29 PM
Of course we would obey God's laws even if they contradicted mans laws for His laws are higher.- I was answering the question asked -in regard to speeding.
I was responding to MQTA's post..not yours...forgot to quote...sorry :)

MQTA
6th November 2005, 07:14 PM
So there's neat little *disclaimers too? great

1cutemonki
7th November 2005, 08:25 AM
Yes they are sinning.

crusader4peace
7th November 2005, 12:12 PM
well i wouldn't say its a sin. i mean its wrong but sometimes u have to drive fast incase of some emergency. but at the sametime i would say that speeding at all times is totally unacceptable. u could hurt someone else and even hurt yourself.

Kathryn13
8th November 2005, 02:25 AM
Sin is sin...doesn't mater to God how big or small it was, he still had to die for it.

rapsinger4
10th November 2005, 10:41 AM
Is speeding a sin? Is sampling a peanut at the grocery store without asking permission a sin? Is there such things a little or big sins?


No,I don't think speeding is a sin.My dad's a pastor and he got caught speeding while listening to worship cd...lol..I think that sampling a peanut is not a sin ubt you should ask b4 u do it.

diggerman
10th November 2005, 06:11 PM
If speeding was a sin, my son wouldn't be in God's good books!?! :D :)

dearme
10th November 2005, 07:32 PM
every sin is conidered equal. in God's eyes, all sin is the same. did that answer your question?:wave: Is speeding a sin? Is sampling a peanut at the grocery store without asking permission a sin? Is there such things a little or big sins?

nsmith12916
10th November 2005, 08:56 PM
I don't believe it is a sin...no...but is it wrong...yes, because it's against the law.

FireOfGod
10th November 2005, 11:54 PM
:D

Speeding... A sin... Again... :D

I think it is not. But hey, I'm a saint so what do I know? ;)

Evee
11th November 2005, 01:24 AM
It is for ours and others safety.
The judge threw the book at me gave me no mercy had to pay the ticket.
It makes the insurance higher also.
Don't speed it really don't get you where you going any faster.
Many towns are speed traps as I so sorrowfully learned.:eek:

rocketboy
11th November 2005, 10:07 AM
yep...you are supposed to obey the law

Emz198914
11th November 2005, 03:03 PM
Of course speeding is a sin...look how much suffering it causes every day with the amount of deaths it leads to!!!

ascribe2thelord
14th November 2005, 03:53 AM
Speeding is really fun.

cat has felt the light!
14th November 2005, 08:15 AM
Is speeding a sin? Is sampling a peanut at the grocery store without asking permission a sin? Is there such things a little or big sins?


I believe that in the eyes of the lord all sins are equal! including breaking the law!
C@ xx

furry001
14th November 2005, 11:19 AM
Here is a true story!

While travelling along a dual carriageway attempting to get my wife to a bus station in a hurry (speed approx 95mph) I got distracted by a police car reversing down a slip road. Fortunately my wife spotted the parked car in the outside lane and I was able to avoid a major accident. I had not seen it, and at that speed I would have been killed. Not to mention my wife and unborn child...

After that, I don't speed now. It's too risky.

MetalBlade
14th November 2005, 03:44 PM
No I don't think it is a sin...though sometimes it might have bad consequences.

Tariel
14th November 2005, 03:45 PM
I never thought about it...

Boshirou
15th November 2005, 07:37 PM
It's a sin by opposing the laws of the land.

Rmered
15th November 2005, 07:41 PM
Agree with above.

"Render unto Caesar" means not only pay your taxes, but also obey the local laws, so long as they don't contradict God's laws, which are higher.
So when the government says the speed limit is 50, even if WE think it should be 60, we should be going 50.
Do it as an act of obedience to Jesus.
(And leave earlier next time.)

TheSerenityPrayer
21st November 2005, 05:00 PM
yes. a sin is a sin in the Beholder's Eyes, but its still a sin.

God4Gives
21st November 2005, 06:05 PM
The lord gave the govornment great power over us and told them to lead us. If the govornment made it a law not to speed and we disobey the law we disobey God. Thus speeding is a sin.

Big Mouth Nana
12th December 2005, 12:57 AM
Only if a cop is behind you and catches ya.

greenjeans
22nd December 2005, 12:59 AM
no. I don't think so but that is because I still working on my internal rebellion when it comes to mans authority.:blush:

Godslilgurlalways
26th February 2006, 11:21 AM
Really even though it doesn't seem like it they are really sins it doesn't matter how big or small a sin is a sin. Even take a pen without permission:)

gal4God
3rd March 2006, 11:34 AM
depends if they go bout 5-10 miles over no but if they are going too fast like 30+ miles yea esp if its a danger.

AngCath
3rd March 2006, 01:08 PM
we are called to respect our government's authority so it is a sin

handmaiden97
3rd March 2006, 08:44 PM
There is no such thing as big sins and little sins, Sin is sin and it is displeasing to God.

Speeding is a sin, not because the Bible says thos shalt not race your camel...but because scripture admonishes us to obey the authorites over us and their laws. As God places authority in thier positions

We are truly people of integrity when we obey even int he little things as the world views them....dont drive even 3 mph over speed limit, dont take a paper clip from work...

It is a challenge I hope to walk out more and more in my life

heavensworthit
4th March 2006, 03:37 AM
only if you do it on purpose to avoid authority..by the way..the camel thing is way cool lol

HollyHobbie
4th March 2006, 03:47 AM
I said yes because its breaking the law causing disobediance........but I don't have to worry about that sin because I can't drive due to a disability (wink )

God Child
4th March 2006, 03:50 AM
is speeding against the law? Is breaking the law a sin?

hotaru
5th March 2006, 12:24 AM
this post made me laugh. I don't consider anything so trivial as speeding to be a 'sin'.

faith guardian
5th March 2006, 04:43 AM
this post made me laugh. I don't consider anything so trivial as speeding to be a 'sin'.
Trivial?
Do you have the stats about how many lives it costs? Plenty of people die every year because of reckless driving. Speeding is reckless. Many a child never faced adulthood because some jerk speeded in their neighborhood.
Speeding is dangerous. Many lives have ben lost or significantly altered because of it.

On your highways it may have less to say than on ours. Probably in your neighborhoods as well. Because you are indoors a lot more than we are.

Beaver1
5th March 2006, 08:22 AM
Forget speeding ... I consider driving a sin. Pumping out greenhouse gases into the atmosphere without thinking about future generations - this to me is more of a sin than speeding itself.

Centrifuge04
5th March 2006, 08:42 PM
I'm not sure

nickelodeon77
5th March 2006, 10:32 PM
Yes, it is.

firestar
20th March 2006, 06:28 PM
I don't think so

Christian_Babe234
20th March 2006, 09:20 PM
It is not a sin to speed.
Most of the time when someone is speeding they are either trying to get to the hospital, they didn't see the speed limit, or they are in a rush and they are forgetting things:clap: .

anusha
21st March 2006, 11:19 AM
Deliberate speeding could cause accident , then i guess its a SIN

Beaver1
21st March 2006, 03:10 PM
It is not a sin to speed.
Most of the time when someone is speeding they are either trying to get to the hospital, they didn't see the speed limit, or they are in a rush and they are forgetting things:clap: .

Really - so its not the guys in fast cars just doing it for the thrill?

diana_ch
22nd March 2006, 09:24 AM
You break the law = disobedience

jbran555
26th March 2006, 01:05 AM
it depends on the sitaution. If you need to speed for any reason that is more important than the law then No. But if you are just going somewhere, well I dont know. The law and sin are two different things but it isnt too important anyways. I dont really think it is a sin.

In fact, I am going to say no as long as you don't cause any trouble. Because some rules are just dumb.

diana_ch
26th March 2006, 01:40 PM
...Because some rules are just dumb.
I honestly believe that rules have been placed there for a reason, we may think of them to be "dumb" but in reality they are there to protect you from one thing or another... rules don't just come out of thin air...

jbran555
26th March 2006, 01:56 PM
yes, I know but there are defiantely some very dumb rules. I know speed limits are to protect people and keep the roads safe but if it is a 35 mph zone and you go 40 is it really a sin? Does it matter at all? not really. It depends how you look at it but like I said, as long as it doesn't affect anyone in a bad way how can it be a sin? And that only is relevant in certain situations because if you are sinning in a way (for example masturbation) No one knows but you and God and it isnt affecting anyone in a bad way but it is still a sin. Get it?

Samuel_Rigby
26th March 2006, 04:19 PM
yes, I know but there are defiantely some very dumb rules. I know speed limits are to protect people and keep the roads safe but if it is a 35 mph zone and you go 40 is it really a sin? Does it matter at all? not really. It depends how you look at it but like I said, as long as it doesn't affect anyone in a bad way how can it be a sin? And that only is relevant in certain situations because if you are sinning in a way (for example masturbation) No one knows but you and God and it isnt affecting anyone in a bad way but it is still a sin. Get it?

Going 40 in a 35 mph zone is a sin. Going 36 in a 35 mph zone is a sin. The limit is 35. Going over 35 is breaking the speed limit. God says in Romans 13:1 we are to submit to governing authorities. The governing authorities say 35 mph is the limit. Going 36 is breaking the limit and not submitting to governing authorities, which is a sin.

Sin affects your relationship with God, which in turn affects your relationship with other people. I need for you to maintain your relationship with God so you can come here and tell me about your experiences and I can learn from you. God uses you to teach me. If your relationship with God is broken, God can't use you, and I miss out.

Same goes for me. You need me to maintain my relationship with God so I can teach you what I've learned. Sin always, always, always affects other people. Whether we realize it immediately or not.

Swede
27th March 2006, 05:37 PM
Yes definitely, why wouldn't it be? Who is to decide which rules are okay to bend and which are not? :confused:

jbran555
27th March 2006, 11:44 PM
Going 40 in a 35 mph zone is a sin. Going 36 in a 35 mph zone is a sin. The limit is 35. Going over 35 is breaking the speed limit. God says in Romans 13:1 we are to submit to governing authorities. The governing authorities say 35 mph is the limit. Going 36 is breaking the limit and not submitting to governing authorities, which is a sin.

Sin affects your relationship with God, which in turn affects your relationship with other people. I need for you to maintain your relationship with God so you can come here and tell me about your experiences and I can learn from you. God uses you to teach me. If your relationship with God is broken, God can't use you, and I miss out.

Same goes for me. You need me to maintain my relationship with God so I can teach you what I've learned. Sin always, always, always affects other people. Whether we realize it immediately or not.

I mostly agree. I was unaware of that verse and it is very important. But If I go 36 mph in a 35 mph zone is it really going to have a negative affect on anyone? Infact, it may have a positive affect (for whatever reason). I'm not sure but I just can't see how it can possibly have a negative affect on anyone.

halfgallon
28th March 2006, 03:17 AM
Care for our fellow creatures and care for God's creation mandate temperance in this area. Driving too fast endangers ourselves and others, wastes gas, and produces more noise and air pollution.

Insofar as speed limits are reasonably set based on the above principles, Christians should probably respect them. (Those of us living in democracies should probably either respect them as a matter of citizenship, or change them where they're not respectable.)

I confess - I speed. I'm getting good at setting the cruise control on the highway, but I forget it all in town. That's something for me to work on..

USincognito
28th March 2006, 04:22 AM
Laws are laws for a reason. We might not like the reason, but until they are changed, we can't just ignore them or society starts to fall apart. That's as true for speeding as it is for theft or murder.

halfgallon
28th March 2006, 06:12 AM
God says in Romans 13:1 we are to submit to governing authorities. The governing authorities say 35 mph is the limit. Going 36 is breaking the limit and not submitting to governing authorities, which is a sin.

Rigby,

I'm not sure Paul's setting up a new commandment here. He's saying some strong stuff - governmental authority comes from God, rebelling against authority is resisting God - but his central and most specific message is the mundane "Pay your taxes." I have to think "Pay your taxes," and "Don't provoke use of force" are the meat of his message.

A rule of "Thou shalt not break local laws," wouldn't make much sense. We know the early Christians didn't always obey the authorities - look at Acts 5:27-42 for one scriptural example. We know of many laws and regimes today and through history that a Christian conscience cannot obey. It doesn't make sense for either the original audience or a modern audience to obey all laws.

Should Afghani judges obey the law that punishes conversion from Islam to Christianity with death? Should members of outlawed churches in many countries renounce their faith? Should conscientious activists everywhere stop protesting and defying unjust government?

Samuel_Rigby
28th March 2006, 12:03 PM
Rigby,

I'm not sure Paul's setting up a new commandment here. He's saying some strong stuff - governmental authority comes from God, rebelling against authority is resisting God - but his central and most specific message is the mundane "Pay your taxes." I have to think "Pay your taxes," and "Don't provoke use of force" are the meat of his message.

A rule of "Thou shalt not break local laws," wouldn't make much sense. We know the early Christians didn't always obey the authorities - look at Acts 5:27-42 for one scriptural example. We know of many laws and regimes today and through history that a Christian conscience cannot obey. It doesn't make sense for either the original audience or a modern audience to obey all laws.

Should Afghani judges obey the law that punishes conversion from Islam to Christianity with death? Should members of outlawed churches in many countries renounce their faith? Should conscientious activists everywhere stop protesting and defying unjust government?

You make some good points here. The way I see it, God tells us to obey local laws and authorities to the point that the local laws contradict God's laws. If our local laws contradict God's laws, I believe we have the right to break the local laws and obey God instead.

Same goes for our parents. The Bible teaches us to obey our parents. But if our parents want us to steal, we have the right to disobey our parents because the Bible tells us not to steal.

Since speeding is not covered in scripture, I think we must obey the Romans 13:1 passage.

I'll admit, it does get dicey at times.

charvel
5th May 2006, 12:18 AM
Speed Kills,don't you know that?

meowmie
7th May 2006, 10:09 PM
If the law says to drive one speed and you knowingly drive faster, YES, it is a sin. We are supposed to obey the laws of men as long as they don't go against the Lord.

YC Bearzie
9th May 2006, 02:55 PM
yes it is a sin b/c people know that it is wrong but often don't pay any mind to it.

bfly
9th May 2006, 08:44 PM
Is speeding a sin? Is sampling a peanut at the grocery store without asking permission a sin? Is there such things a little or big sins?
God says no difference in big or little. I would have to think on the peanut question or the grape question, I will have to think about. Wouldn't want to waste God's money on bad fruit.

Gukkor
18th June 2006, 09:53 PM
Is it a sin to speed? If it comes down to a mere few miles over, I can hardly see God being that trivial. If you're talking about going 90 on a 40mph road, yes, that's definitely a sin as you are endangering the lives of others.

Harlan Norris
18th June 2006, 10:37 PM
Of course it's a sin. One I'm often guilty of I'm afraid.I need to be more self aware as well as aware of God's knowledge of all I do.

ChavaK
18th June 2006, 11:04 PM
To me, sinning is breaking G-d's laws, not man made ones.
We should obey traffic rules and other laws for
safety and to keep society together, but I don't
equate this with sin.

godisgr8
25th July 2006, 08:02 PM
probably, it is disobeying the law...

ChrisCountryGirl
25th July 2006, 09:40 PM
Yes, going above the speed limit is against the law