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justinstout
2nd December 2005, 01:26 AM
In our increasingly humanistic society, most people have lost a sense of destiny. And for those who believe they have a destiny, especially believers, most either have no idea what it is or believe that in God’s sovereignty, He will bring it all to pass in His own time.
This becomes very obvious when I minister on the subject. I’ll give an invitation by asking the question, “How many of you here don’t know for sure what God’s will is for your life?” It’s not unusual to see ninety percent or more of the people stand. I think that’s tragic. It doesn’t have to be that way.

You were created by God, you didn’t evolve. And, you were created with a specific destiny. But before I say more about that, I want to counter an extreme error in the body of Christ today. It’s a way of thinking that prevents people from discovering and fulfilling their destinies.

There are some who believe that God, in His sovereignty, controls everything in life. They believe that whatever He wills comes to pass and that nothing happens unless God wills it. If that is true, then they are attributing every tragedy, birth deformity, heartbreak, divorce, terrorist attack, all hatred, murder, and anything else you can think of to God.

That just isn’t true. Scripture clearly teaches that God has given man the authority to make his own decisions and choices. It isn’t a question of God’s sovereignty; it’s a question of who we rely on when making decisions.

Proverbs 3:5 says,

“Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.”

When we begin to trust in and lean on our own understanding and start exalting our own wisdom above the wisdom of God, we open the door to tragedies.

I believe in the sovereignty of God, with its proper meaning. But it’s important to understand that God is not orchestrating our lives like pieces on a chessboard. He has predetermined a very specific plan and purpose for every person’s life. However, you have to make a choice.

Will you seek God’s destiny for your life and then do it, or will you insist upon doing your own thing? Unfortunately, in our self-indulging society, the answer to that question for many has been to do their own thing. That’s the reason I believe so many people have embraced evolution.

Evolution is not fact; it’s simply a theory that conveniently removes all personal responsibility and accountability to a creator.

Although evolution is not the issue for most Christians, they still go through life doing their own thing. Then, when everything falls apart, they come to God asking why He let this happen. God is not the source of their problems, and as much as I like to blame the devil, he isn’t either. It’s their own self-centeredness that leads to the grief we experience.

God made you with a purpose in mind, and you only have one opportunity, one life in which to fulfill it. No matter how talented or how gifted, until you realize you have a destiny and are willing seek God with all your heart to discover it, you will never reach your full potential.

Before you were ever born, before you ever demonstrated any talents or abilities, God created you for a purpose with a destiny. Look at these scriptures.

Jeremiah 1:5 says,



“Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.”

In Galatians 1:15 we read,



“But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb, and called me by his grace.”

Both the Prophet Jeremiah and the Apostle Paul knew that God had a predetermined plan for their lives, where all of their gifts, abilities, and talents would be used.

We also know from Scripture that John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit while he was, what the world would call, a six-month-old fetus. I personally hate that word because it’s an attempt to dehumanize a child. God did not fill a hunk of tissue; He filled a living human being.

Throughout the Scripture are many examples of God’s preordained plans for people, and we know that He is no respecter of persons (Acts 10:34). So what He has done for others, He will and has done for you.

Fulfilling God’s will in your life first begins with the understanding that it’s wisdom to know His will. Next is understanding that you were not created to be self-sufficient but God dependent.

Ephesians 5:17 says,

“Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.”

The Bible says in Jeremiah 10:23,

“O LORD, I know that the way of a man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.”

Ephesians 5:17 is a direct command. He would not have commanded it if it were not possible to know. That would be unjust. Some who read this may take offense, but if you don’t know God’s will, you aren’t acting wisely.

God never created you to be independent; He created you to be dependent upon Him. That is why it is not in a person to direct their own life. Let me give you a simple example.

What if you were hired by a company that didn’t have job descriptions for anyone? Can you imagine the chaos and conflict that would occur if the daily activities of all the employees, including yourself, were left up to the discretion of each individual? It would be a mess.

In a way, that is basically what’s happening in society today—people are doing their own thing. Without direction from God, people find themselves unfulfilled, unproductive, and plagued with all kinds of self-inflicted problems.

God has a purpose for your life, He has a destiny for you to fulfill, but Satan wants to kill, steal, and destroy that plan. You get to choose. Will God win in your life, or will it be the devil? If things are going wrong for you, I can guarantee you it’s not God that caused it to happen.

Jeremiah 29:11 says,

“For I know the thoughts I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.”

God’s plans for you are all good, not evil. So, if your life is a mess, it’s because you have not followed His plan. But don’t lose hope if that’s you, because God isn’t mad. His expected end for you hasn’t changed. He is able to plot a course from where you are right now to where He wants you to be.

I don’t care what has happened or how far off-track you are, God can put you back on course. Everything about you was created by God so that you could fulfill the expected end, your destiny. Your gifts, your talents, the way you look, your race, and even where you were born have a role in His plan. You were not an accident. The Bible says God knew you before you were in your mother’s womb.

Once you discover God’s plan for your life, it carries with it a supernatural ability and an anointing that will cause you to flourish. You are no longer working from just your own ability and talent, but you’re operating out of obedience, and that is where the blessing and anointing of God are found.

Prior to discovering God’s purpose for my life and drawing on His ability to fulfill it, I was afraid to speak to a Sunday school class of fifteen people. One of the first times I was asked to preach, I prepared three messages and then preached them all in five minutes. It was pathetic. But once I became dependent on the Lord, He began to minister through me with power, and my ministry began to flourish.

Fulfilling your destiny all begins with knowing God’s plan for your life. But, as long as you can live without knowing His will for your life, you will. I am convinced you can’t find it accidentally; you will need to seek it with all your heart. And when you find it, that’s just the beginning.

That is why I have just completed a new series called How to Fulfill Your Destiny. This series will take you from learning God’s will to fulfilling it and from knowing the general will of God to discerning His specific will for you.

You will also learn that decisions do determine your destiny, so it’s important to make good ones. Bad ones have certainly derailed the destinies of many people. There’s a right way and a wrong way to make decisions. This teaching will help you learn to make them right.

Next to salvation, this should be the most important pursuit of your life. So don’t wait any longer—start seeking God now.




written by AWM
www.awmi.net (http://www.awmi.net)

guysmy
2nd December 2005, 08:56 PM
This is good stuff. Thanks!

Doer
2nd December 2005, 09:57 PM
Thank you, its hard for some to understand that even though God already knows your faith, you still have to freewill.

RichardT
2nd December 2005, 11:06 PM
Thank you, its hard for some to understand that even though God already knows your faith, you still have to freewill.

God's will , is your righteous will... It's that feeling in your heart about what you want to do for God... ( this is debatable I guess... But this is also my oppinion... )

justinstout
3rd December 2005, 02:31 AM
bump!

sparkyman481
6th December 2005, 12:02 AM
There are some who believe that God, in His sovereignty, controls everything in life. They believe that whatever He wills comes to pass and that nothing happens unless God wills it. If that is true, then they are attributing every tragedy, birth deformity, heartbreak, divorce, terrorist attack, all hatred, murder, and anything else you can think of to God.

Justinstout can you explain these verses,

Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Isa 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.

Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

justinstout
6th December 2005, 09:49 AM
Justinstout can you explain these verses,

Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Isa 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.

Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.


I can see that you enjoy snatching a few Scriptures out of context in an effort to prove that God is ultimately responsible for every birth defect, every cancer, every act of adultery and fornication, every lie, every pain, every heart attack, and every perversion... but hey, that's not my heavenly Father. And that's not true of the God of the Bible. You're basically holding God responsible for sin and the messed up condition of this earth, when it's clearly mankind and satan's fault. God didn't choose it, we did.


I don't deny the verses that you provided if they are viewed properly and in context.
Even spirits which are now demonic were originally created for God's pleasure. This reveals that God did not create these spirits the way we now see them. There has been a rebellion among spirit beings which has produced their depraved nature and actions. God did not create them that way.

What about the Scriptures that discuss how Jesus Christ was manifested that He may destroy the works of the devil. Was the Son of God sent to destroy the works that were ultimately His Father's, or the works of the devil? It can't be both. A kingdom divided against itself shall not stand. Did Jesus rebuke storms that were ultimately sent by His own Father or was He rebuking storms that were caused by demonic activity and a fallen world that God did not cause?


Grace, peace, and God's goodness to you,
Justin

sparkyman481
6th December 2005, 06:55 PM
I can see that you enjoy snatching a few Scriptures out of context in an effort to prove that God is ultimately responsible for every birth defect, every cancer, every act of adultery and fornication, every lie, every pain, every heart attack, and every perversion... but hey, that's not my heavenly Father. And that's not true of the God of the Bible. You're basically holding God responsible for sin and the messed up condition of this earth, when it's clearly mankind and satan's fault. God didn't choose it, we did.


I don't deny the verses that you provided if they are viewed properly and in context.
Even spirits which are now demonic were originally created for God's pleasure. This reveals that God did not create these spirits the way we now see them. There has been a rebellion among spirit beings which has produced their depraved nature and actions. God did not create them that way.

What about the Scriptures that discuss how Jesus Christ was manifested that He may destroy the works of the devil. Was the Son of God sent to destroy the works that were ultimately His Father's, or the works of the devil? It can't be both. A kingdom divided against itself shall not stand. Did Jesus rebuke storms that were ultimately sent by His own Father or was He rebuking storms that were caused by demonic activity and a fallen world that God did not cause?


Grace, peace, and God's goodness to you,
Justin

Justin,

Hello.

Can you explain these verses?

2 Corinthians 5:18
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

Romans 11:36
For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

Hebrews 2:10
For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

Colossians 1:17
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Ephesians 1:11
In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

Isaiah 46:9-11
Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.

Proverbs 16:33
The lot is cast into the lap; but the whole disposing thereof is of the LORD.


Philippians 2:13
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Proverbs 16:1
The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, is from the LORD.

Jeremiah 10:23
O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Proverbs 20:24
Man's goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?

(Rom 11:25)
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.

There are many mysterious things that God will shows us if HE wills it.

(Rom 16:25)
Now to him that is of power to establish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

(1Co 2:7)
But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

(Eph 1:9-10)
Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

(Eph 3:3)
How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

(Eph 3:4)
Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

(Eph 3:9)
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

(Eph 5:32)
This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

(Col 1:26)
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

(Col 1:27)
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

(Col 1:28) Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

(Col 1:29) Whereunto I also labor, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

(Col 2:2)
That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;

(Col 2:3) In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.


(Col 4:3)
Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in bonds:

(2Th 2:7)
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

(1Ti 3:16)
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

(Rev 1:20)
The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

(Rev 10:7)
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

(Rev 17:5)
And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

justinstout
6th December 2005, 08:15 PM
Justin,

Hello.

Can you explain these verses?

2 Corinthians 5:18
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

Romans 11:36
For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

Hebrews 2:10
For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

Colossians 1:17
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Ephesians 1:11
In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

Isaiah 46:9-11
Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.

Proverbs 16:33
The lot is cast into the lap; but the whole disposing thereof is of the LORD.


Philippians 2:13
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Proverbs 16:1
The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, is from the LORD.

Jeremiah 10:23
O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Proverbs 20:24
Man's goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?

(Rom 11:25)
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.

There are many mysterious things that God will shows us if HE wills it.

(Rom 16:25)
Now to him that is of power to establish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

(1Co 2:7)
But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

(Eph 1:9-10)
Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

(Eph 3:3)
How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

(Eph 3:4)
Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

(Eph 3:9)
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

(Eph 5:32)
This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

(Col 1:26)
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

(Col 1:27)
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

(Col 1:28) Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

(Col 1:29) Whereunto I also labor, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

(Col 2:2)
That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;

(Col 2:3) In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.


(Col 4:3)
Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in bonds:

(2Th 2:7)
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

(1Ti 3:16)
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

(Rev 1:20)
The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

(Rev 10:7)
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

(Rev 17:5)
And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.


If I had about 40 hours of extra time on my hands.

What are you expecting me to do this for? I will explain some of them, but I don't have as much time as you appear to think.

justinstout
6th December 2005, 08:30 PM
2 Corinthians 5:18
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

Wow! You have taken this verse completely out of context to prove a point that doesn't even exist. :) This verse begins with the word "and", which is a conjuction. The verse before this was discussing our re-created spirit man where all things have become new and where "all things are of God."

Actually, nevermind me responding to these verses that you have provided. If you've taken this first verse that much out of context in an attempt to blame God for everything that happens, I don't have time to respond to the rest.

The Scriptures, read in context, will clearly refute your apparent beliefs.



Grace and peace to you,
Justin

AmeriLovesJesus
6th December 2005, 09:00 PM
First off I'd like to say thank you for posting an inspirational message like this.

Actually, nevermind me responding to these verses that you have provided. If you've taken this first verse that much out of context in an attempt to blame God for everything that happens, I don't have time to respond to the rest.

I do not think anyone was blaiming God. I am a little bit confused myself cause even though we being Christians we will still have storms in life. They are there for a purpose. Life does become easier then living without him though.

justinstout
6th December 2005, 09:41 PM
First off I'd like to say thank you for posting an inspirational message like this.


I do not think anyone was blaiming God. I am a little bit confused myself cause even though we being Christians we will still have storms in life. They are there for a purpose. Life does become easier then living without him though.


What do you mean by "they are there for a purpose" when referring to the "storms" of life?

From what I can see, Jesus went around calming "storms", not telling people that they were going through storms "for a purpose."

I'm not trying to criticize you at all, but I just want people to understand that God does not need the help of storms for us to grow as believers. That's what He gave His Word for. Now I'm not saying that a person can't learn while going through a storm, but that's definitely not God's method of teaching His children, nor is it His will for His children.


Grace and peace to you,
Justin


P.S. The other person on this thread was using Scriptures in an attempt to show that God is responsible for everything that happens and that He literally creates evil (sin). That's why it may have appeared that I was pretty angry about it. :)

sparkyman481
6th December 2005, 10:27 PM
(Deu 4:24) For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.

(Deu 9:3) Understand therefore this day, that the LORD thy God is he which goeth over before thee; as a consuming fire he shall destroy them, and he shall bring them down before thy face: so shalt thou drive them out, and destroy them quickly, as the LORD hath said unto thee.

(Heb 12:29) For our God is a consuming fire.

Hello Justin,

Our God is going to put storms in our lives.



(Psa 83:15) So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm.

(Psa 107:25) For he commandeth, and raiseth the stormy wind, which lifteth up the waves thereof.

(Psa 107:29) He maketh the storm a calm, so that the waves thereof are still.

(Psa 148:8) Fire, and hail; snow, and vapor; stormy wind fulfilling his word:

(Isa 25:4) For thou hast been a strength to the poor, a strength to the needy in his distress, a refuge from the storm, a shadow from the heat, when the blast of the terrible ones is as a storm against the wall.

(Isa 28:2) Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters overflowing, shall cast down to the earth with the hand.

(Isa 29:6) Thou shalt be visited of the LORD of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire.

(Eze 13:11) Say unto them which daub it with untempered mortar, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it.

(Eze 13:13) Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even rend it with a stormy wind in my fury; and there shall be an overflowing shower in mine anger, and great hailstones in my fury to consume it.

(Eze 38:9) Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.

(Nah 1:3) The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.

(Mar 4:37) And there arose a great storm of wind, and the waves beat into the ship, so that it was now full.

(Luk 8:23) But as they sailed he fell asleep: and there came down a storm of wind on the lake; and they were filled with water, and were in jeopardy.




Justin God does these things to us to burn the unrighteousness out of our lives. As these things are removed from our hearts then our Savior can move in and start controlling our hearts. Christ will move in and take over our hearts but only after removing the false teachings such as yours from our hearts.

Brother the reason I give you scriptures is because I believe what the bible means. You don't seem to believe what the Word, which is Christ the Alpha and the Omega, which is, which was, and which will be. He will eventually show you spiritual truths either in this physical life or in the spirit.

God bless you
In Christ
Aaron

justinstout
6th December 2005, 10:34 PM
Aaron,

The very first verse that you asked me to explain was taken horribly out of context. You bolded a phrase in an attempt to prove that literally everything is of God. That's ridiculous theology that glorifies no one but the devil. You changed the context of a verse to fit what you were attempting to prove.

In your last post you quoted Mark 4:37 about the storm and the waves beating against the side of the disciples' ship. lol. If you'd study the original Greek you'd find out that demonic powers (not God) were literally "throwing" waves into the sides of the ship. Do you believe that God was sending this storm to test Jesus or kill the disciples or something? Jesus said that a kingdom divided against itself shall not stand. Are you claiming that God was sending a storm for Jesus to calm? Give me a break.

*Note*: I live under the NEW Covenant, where God uses His Word to deal with and teach His children, He doesn't use calamity and disease. You can't find anywhere in the New Covenant where sickness or disease was the will of God for a believer. (no, Paul's thorn isn't valid. That theory has been debunked long ago).


There's no need to try to discuss this with me anymore. I've had enough of this nonsense.

Thank you.

oworm
7th December 2005, 08:07 AM
In your last post you quoted Mark 4:37 about the storm and the waves beating against the side of the disciples' ship. lol. If you'd study the original Greek you'd find out that demonic powers (not God) were literally "throwing" waves into the sides of the ship.
Can you provide your NT Greek source for this claim? Thanks

Some geographical facts concerning the sea of Galilee:
The sea of Galilee is about 700 feet below sea level,13 miles long and 8 miles wide.At it's southern end is a deep, cliff lined valley. The wind funelling through the surrounding hills and through the valley can whip the lake into sudden violent storms

I would contend that Satan has no control over the elements or anything else in Gods creation save that which he is permitted

sparkyman481
7th December 2005, 11:13 PM
Aaron,

The very first verse that you asked me to explain was taken horribly out of context. You bolded a phrase in an attempt to prove that literally everything is of God. That's ridiculous theology that glorifies no one but the devil. You changed the context of a verse to fit what you were attempting to prove.

In your last post you quoted Mark 4:37 about the storm and the waves beating against the side of the disciples' ship. lol. If you'd study the original Greek you'd find out that demonic powers (not God) were literally "throwing" waves into the sides of the ship. Do you believe that God was sending this storm to test Jesus or kill the disciples or something? Jesus said that a kingdom divided against itself shall not stand. Are you claiming that God was sending a storm for Jesus to calm? Give me a break.

*Note*: I live under the NEW Covenant, where God uses His Word to deal with and teach His children, He doesn't use calamity and disease. You can't find anywhere in the New Covenant where sickness or disease was the will of God for a believer. (no, Paul's thorn isn't valid. That theory has been debunked long ago).


There's no need to try to discuss this with me anymore. I've had enough of this nonsense.

Thank you.

Hello Justin,
Brother I am sorry for upsetting you.

God heals believers. There is no sickness when Christ is in you. What I was trying to show you is that God created satan (the waster, the destroyer, the one who eats dust) to do these works of destruction. God did create all things I believe enough scripture has been shown to prove this point. God will be all in all. Christ is, was, and will be the savior of all mankind. Believe the word of God (Christ) and you will be healed. I am speaking in the Spirit not the physical.

Joh 5:39 Search the Scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Joh 5:41 I receive not honor from men.

Joh 5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.


2Ti 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.


2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Mar 12:24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the Scriptures, neither the power of God?

In Christ
Aaron

justinstout
7th December 2005, 11:21 PM
God did not create literally everything. That's not in the Bible.
He did not create sin.

God created Lucifer, not satan.

Everything that happens is not God's will.

sparkyman481
8th December 2005, 07:35 PM
God did not create literally everything. That's not in the Bible.
He did not create sin.

God created Lucifer, not satan.

Everything that happens is not God's will.


Hello Justin,

Have you ever seen this:
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

God is sovereign. God created all. God is supreme. God is in total control. God is LOVE. God will do his will. God has given us the knowledge of good (Christ) and evil (satan).

Love in Christ

Aaron