OBOB Book Club?

[PolskiKrol]

Do we got a book club here on OBOB? If not, why not get one started? We could use the Bookshelf, since obviously its not getting too much use anyway. I think there are some "new" posts in here from July.

[PolskiKrol]

Susansmum suggested a scott hahn book. I know a guy who really likes scott hahn and he suggested "The Lamb's Supper" about the Mass. Anyone else have suggestions?


How should we run this too? Depending on the size of the book, should we have a weekly discusion or once every two weeks discusion on chapters or sections or pages or something? What you guys suggest?

[Called2Grace]

Maybe we could do a weekly discussion on each chapter? It's good to have motivation, but I have to be realistic about how much time I have :)

[PolskiKrol]

Cool, Lambs supper it is. Seeing as how many people have already read it I hope for a fairly large discussion, people!

[PolskiKrol]

I picked up the Lambs Supper from the church library, and found the chapters are realllly short. Like 5 pages long or so.

So I'm figuring on doing the first 3 chapters by next sunday. I'll start a Lambs supper thread then, (so for you people who have already read it, we'll be discussing the first three chapters.)

Here's some questions that I was thinking to be thinking about in the earstwhile you read.
1. Does the author suggest that the book of Revelation is about the Mass, or that the Apocalypse will be in the form of a Mass?
2. What references are direct from the book of revalation that are in the Mass?
3. Indirectly, how else does the Mass resemble the book of Revalation?

[Called2Grace]

They are excellent questions! I can't wait, I have ordered my copy and it should be here in the next few days or so.

How many chapters are in the book?

[PolskiKrol]

Looks like 12 chapters, divided into 3 parts, 4 chapters each.

[Called2Grace]

Ok sounds good. I wonder if anyone else will join us.

[Called2Grace]

Ok, my book has arrived and I will start reading today. How are you going with it?

[PolskiKrol]

I'm somewhere in the third chapter. Its a surprisingly easier read than I had expected.

I think I've got some discussion ideas already too. :thumbsup:

[Called2Grace]

I started the book last night. It has been a while since I read Revelations. Do you think I should be reading it in conjunction with the book?

I'm not very far into it, but I think it will already have an impact on the way I experience Mass on Sunday.

[PolskiKrol]

Is Sunday reasonable for our first discussion?

[Called2Grace]

Oops, Sorry I missed that, I have been really sick over the weekend, and am still not 100% at the moment...

[PolskiKrol]

1. Does the author suggest that the book of Revelation is about the Mass, or that the Apocalypse will be in the form of a Mass?

It says that the Mass is an image of heaven on earth, and the Apocalypse is when those on earth go to expirience heaven, so I suppose you could say both.

[Called2Grace]

1. Does the author suggest that the book of Revelation is about the Mass, or that the Apocalypse will be in the form of a Mass?

It says that the Mass is an image of heaven on earth, and the Apocalypse is when those on earth go to expirience heaven, so I suppose you could say both.

I agree with you there. It is certainly a different way for me to experience the Mass now.

[PolskiKrol]

Heh sorry for the lag in conversation here, I'm in finals week and I realized I don't know any of the material :sigh:

What do you guys think the significance of Malchiezadek's sacrifice is? Mr Hahn thought it was just SO cool that he was sacrificing bread and wine, that it was a precusor to the mass. The only problem with this is that his contemporary pagan preists would do the same thing. In fact I think there's in the Bible a record of Babylonian priests who sacrificed countless loaves of bread and jars of wine to (Baal? I have no clue). Either way, I think that it just shows the inclination in mankind in general towards the mass.

[PolskiKrol]

Not as powerful as symbol as the "Lamb".

I thought this was cool, I always wondered but never knew what scripture was fulfilled in John 19:36 when Jesus' bones weren't broken. It was from Exodus 12:46, where it says that the sacraficial lambs which were burned as an offering to God must not have any broken bones.

Now I know. And of course, more symbolism as Jesus as our acceptable sacrifice.

[PolskiKrol]

*sigh* people still read the book club or what? I'm doing the next three chapters this week anyway, so if nothing else I'll have a discussion with myself. I hope they don't get too heated.

[MParedon]

Hey! :) I just looked in on this thread and I realized that I have the Lamb's Supper in my bookshelf. I do have some time on my hands...not much but some. I'm waaaayyy behind you but I'll post up my thoughts and questions in a couple of days if you like.

[Called2Grace]

Yeah I must have gotton side tracked a bit too sorry.

I am finding myself in awe at existence at the moment, it just all seems to be coming together, the reason we were created, the life of Jesus and the Mass, I am also reading the CCC too. It is like it all comes together in the Mass. I'm not sure how to express what I am trying to say though...I'ts like we experience the universe, past present and future in one instance during the Mass. We cease to exist as seperate entities, we come together as one before Christ, outside of all time.

[AdJesumPerMariam]

I just finished reading the book, and was really inpressed! I can start all over & read it again....where is everyone at?

[MParedon]

I'm on Chapter 2. I get a little sidetracked becuase I need to read the Verse references.

yes...yes... I admit it, I'm not familiar with Rev. *sigh*

[PolskiKrol]

We cease to exist as seperate entities, we come together as one before Christ, outside of all time
That is an excellent quote, Susansmum! When people ask why I do not hold hands during the Our Father, I tell them something similar, that we are all one in the Eucharist, not by holding hands. Its not like we all come together and go to Jesus, because that would be foolish. We all go to Jesus, and in Him we are together.

[PolskiKrol]

Here's a question: In chapter four he mentions briefly the "Lift up your hearts." But if mass is truly heaven on earth, what need is there to lift up your hearts? For our hearts are already in heaven, in the mass.

[PolskiKrol]

This quote was awsome:
"Just as Jesus comes to us in humble, tasteless wafers, so the Holy Spirit sometimes works through a monotone, lackluster preacher."

I noticed that many times extroverted priests can entertain us at the :preach: , yet not really say anything, except loosely tie in "the big game" with the scripture message, which is usually forgotten before the Eucharistic Prayer. There is this one priest at my parish that, from a speaker's point of view, is pretty bad. Yet between his stutters and wacky analogies, every now and then he comes across with an excellent (perhaps unintended) point that can be attributed to none other than the Holy Spirit.

[Called2Grace]

Here's a question: In chapter four he mentions briefly the "Lift up your hearts." But if mass is truly heaven on earth, what need is there to lift up your hearts? For our hearts are already in heaven, in the mass.

That is a good question, it is also something that we say in the Mass...

Maybe it is lifting them to Jesus on the cross? Or maybe it is a way to get us in tune with the Heaven on Earth, as some of us tend to get bogged down in other stuff...., maybe it is like pulling them up out of whatever it is that we have gotton them covered in (sin for example) so that the Lord can take them and make them new again? This may also include receiving communion, not only do we take our clean hearts back, but our hearts now contain a part of Jesus....

I hope that doesn't sound silly, I get a bit carried away sometimes...

[PolskiKrol]

Well, I finnally discovered where it was hiding. After turning the house upside down, "Lamb's supper" was discovered under a copy of "mystic heroes" someone had given me for my birthday. No wonder I couldn't find it :p

So anyway, sorry for the lag in conversation here, but now that I have it it'll help.

[PolskiKrol]

Some time away from stuff for lent gave me time to finish lamb's supper, but now I can't think of too much else to talk about it. I liked the imagery of the martyrs under the table. Also, my parish has the four evangelists on the ambo, which is a lot like revelation imagery.

[Called2Grace]

I must admit I've been a bit caught up in other stuff. I started University and was gearing up for confirmation. I'm just getting over what I think is the flu at the moment. Haven't had much time to read....