wondering about tounges

[idolgal]

hi all, im dating my absolute dream prince BUT...............................He belives in speaking in touges and visions and stuff and i am just wondering how serious that is to a relationship and if it hinders our future
thanks

[Buckaroo]

None! If you are both christians . He just has a gift of the Spirit. As long as he does not press you and you do not press him then u should be A OK.

[idolgal]

:wave: thank you buckaroo, thats kinda what i needed to hear from an outsider on my relationship.
god bless


None! If you are both christians . He just has a gift of the Spirit. As long as he does not press you and you do not press him then u should be A OK.

[aReformedPatriot]

hi all, im dating my absolute dream prince BUT...............................He belives in speaking in touges and visions and stuff and i am just wondering how serious that is to a relationship and if it hinders our future
thanks

I think its an issue that needs to be approached cautiously. I think the gifts of the Holy Spirit have not ended but disagree that everyone is granted that gift. I think all should desire it but scripture tells us that the Holy Spirit gives them as he wills.

If your a serious Bible student, and you should be, I reccomend reading Are Miraculous Gifts For Today: 4 Views.

It surveys four trains of thought on the matter of tongues and whether they are for today and if so, to what extent.

[mesue]

None! If you are both christians . He just has a gift of the Spirit. As long as he does not press you and you do not press him then u should be A OK.
We all, who are saved, have the gift of the Spirit.

Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Eph 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:



Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Romans 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

[jochanaan]

Tongues are a legitimate gift of the Spirit; but, contrary to what some charismatics/Pentecostals say, they are not THE sign of Spirit activity. As long as this boyfriend doesn't question your salvation or Spirit-baptism because you don't speak in tongues, you'll be fine.

[aReformedPatriot]

1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles?
1Co 12:30 Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?

Paul asks these questions hypothetically but the answer "No" must be affirmed for all of them. The Assemblies of God position is that not all publicly speak in tongues, but rather that, all will get the privatized gift of tongues. Wayne Grudem, who is not a cessationist, puts it nicely when he writes, "His previous two questions were, do all work miracles? Do all possess gifts of healing? (vv. 29-30). Would we wish to make the same arguments about these gifts--that not all interpret tongues publicly, but that all Christians are able to do it privately? Or that not all work miracles publicly, but that all Christians are able to do it privately. Such a distinction seems unwarranted by the context in every case." (Systematic Theology 1076). This is one of the chief reasons I left the Assemblies of God, and their primary ministerial school (Central Bible College). To impose this interpretation on the text is to engage in eisegesis.

Typically, Pentecostals believe that you can lose your salvation too. I am not sure if you have a big problem with that yourself but there are a lot of matters to investigate. I think you should desire the gift as Paul commands, and be faithful in whatever the Holy Spirit gives you for "All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills" (1 Cor 12:11).

[idolgal]

hmm that makes sence i guess. Being raised baptist and all, alot of this is really new to me. I just think that there is a difference between desiring a connection with god, and speaking in tounges. He has certainly never expected me to take part and says that he never will. and no i dont believe that you can lose your salvation and neither does he.

[aReformedPatriot]

hmm that makes sence i guess. Being raised baptist and all, alot of this is really new to me. I just think that there is a difference between desiring a connection with god, and speaking in tounges. He has certainly never expected me to take part and says that he never will. and no i dont believe that you can lose your salvation and neither does he.

Well, good then. Now you must ask yourself what is the reason you are going to start dating him. Soli Deo Gloria (for the Glory of God Alone) or for something else? If God has ordained it, I hope it goes well.

[qpmomma]

I think what gets me is a lot of Baptists today believe in all the gifts of the Spirit EXCEPT tongues! lol My Baptist pastor's daughter speaks in tongues. And there's nothing wrong with it. I don't know why it scares a lot of Baptists.

Christina

[idolgal]

well i dont know about that in particular, but we dont have the visions and stuff either, that just what i believe but i truly believe that dating him is the right thing so i think that i am going to stick this out.
god bless everyone

[Jamza]

Speaking in tounges is a great gift of the spirit :) Its not a universal one that everyone is given, and its wrong to make a really big deal out of it; but from what you say it just seems you have a Spirit filled boyfriend :) Visions and tounges have always been a part of the church you know :)

[53Isaiah]

1Co 14:1 ¶ Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
6 ¶ Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?
8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 ¶ What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
21 ¶ In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.
26 ¶ How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.


36 ¶ What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

[JPPT1974]

My sister-in-law grew up in the Church of God
Where they are used to speaking in tongues
Her parents still do
But my sister-in-law now is baptized as a Baptist when she married my brother in 1994.

[jochanaan]

My sister-in-law grew up in the Church of God
Where they are used to speaking in tongues
Her parents still do
But my sister-in-law now is baptized as a Baptist when she married my brother in 1994.
Did she speak in tongues herself? Does she still?

[jennistout]

Hi,
I just wanted to say that I grew up baptist also and we all obviously know that means you are around alot of people who don't believe in speaking in tongues. But fortunately my father was the pastor at my church and when he began to grow in the Lord and learn more than the "typical Baptist theology" we left the Baptist church..anyway..here is my point. After we left the church I attended more places where I was acustom to hearing someone speak in tongues, but I do not speak in tongues..My husband however, does. Since we were married we have been to many church services where lots of people are speaking in tongues. It's amazing to hear. My husband is always willing to answer my questions about the subject but has never pushed me about it. I don't think two people cannot be in a relationship if one does and one doesn't. Your boyfriend should be willing to answer questions about it for you. And you should definately begin studying about it. The more you learn and also the more you expose yourself to it. The more comfortable you will be around it. That's what I do. I believe one day when I'm ready I'll receive it also.

[Leimeng]

~ Unlike what the cessationist herasy teaches ANY Christian CAN speak in tounges, but not every Christian will. It is a matter of correctly reading and understand Scriptures as a whole.
~ Part if the issue is understanding that there are DIVERSITIES of tounges. There are different types of tounges! They have different purposes.
~ One is supernatually speaking a language you dont neccessarily know otherwise to minister to people who know that language. This is what happened in Acts 2 on the day of pentacost. It is a sign to the unbeliever. Interestingly these instances are the only ones in the Bible where it is speaking in a known language.
~ One is a ministry gift in connection with the gift of Interpretation which becomes a form of ministry to the body of Christ as a prophetic word. That is verse 6 of Corinthians 14. This aspect of tounges also acts as a prophetic sign to the unbeliever with interpretation. Look at Daniel interpreting the writting on wall!
~ There is also the function of tounges as a person prayer language. The purpose of this is to edify the soul and spirit of the believer so that they can grow. One of the cool things about this is the depth of relationship that develops over time with GOD. It also corrects wrong theology. This is talked about in 1 Corinthians 14:4, among other places.
~ Yet another function of tounges is for intercession. The intercessor is the person who stands between hell and another person who wants to go there and in prayer keeps that person from going to hell!
~ The speaking of tounges is one of he most powerful weapons in the arsenal available to Christians. It is so dangerous to the kingdom of hell that the devil has tried everything he can to make sure Christians DONT recieve the gift.
~ I encourage each of you to recieve the gift of tounges in your lives.
~ Continue to discuss amongst yourselves...

Peace,

Leimeng.

Flatulo Ergo Sum ~~~

(***Insert Personal One Liner Here***)

[idolgal]

Hi,
I just wanted to say that I grew up baptist also and we all obviously know that means you are around alot of people who don't believe in speaking in tongues. But fortunately my father was the pastor at my church and when he began to grow in the Lord and learn more than the "typical Baptist theology" we left the Baptist church..anyway..here is my point. After we left the church I attended more places where I was acustom to hearing someone speak in tongues, but I do not speak in tongues..My husband however, does. Since we were married we have been to many church services where lots of people are speaking in tongues. It's amazing to hear. My husband is always willing to answer my questions about the subject but has never pushed me about it. I don't think two people cannot be in a relationship if one does and one doesn't. Your boyfriend should be willing to answer questions about it for you. And you should definately begin studying about it. The more you learn and also the more you expose yourself to it. The more comfortable you will be around it. That's what I do. I believe one day when I'm ready I'll receive it also.


hmm, that is really wonderful to hear, i really appreciate that and will take it to heart

[jenptcfan]

Not all Baptists are cessationists. You can be Baptist and still believe that the miraculous-type gifts are still in existence. As long as he respects your standpoint and you respect his, this shouldn't be a problem.

[mesue]

Hi,
I just wanted to say that I grew up baptist also and we all obviously know that means you are around alot of people who don't believe in speaking in tongues. ...
this just isn't true.
What Baptist's believe is what God says in His word.

1Corinthians 14:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
1Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
1Corinthians 14:21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
1Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
(bolded text for emphasis)

[DeaconDean]

Sounds to me like a difference in denominations also. I am Baptist and while the gift of tongues isn't parcticed per sey in my church, I still believe it is use today. Like I said I am Baptist and my brother-in-law is Church of God. His denomination practices this gift. Regardless of the differences in beliefs, we still get along just fine, he's my brother-in-Christ.

[Dmckay]

hi all, im dating my absolute dream prince BUT...............................He belives in speaking in touges and visions and stuff and i am just wondering how serious that is to a relationship and if it hinders our future
thanks
It depends on a couple of things, first, is he the type of believer who is insistant that you aren't saved unless you show you have the Holy Spirit by speaking in tongues? If so, you will have major problems down the line.

Second, when I do pre-marital counseling I always tell the couple that the success of their marriage depends on their commitment to the Lord. I illustrate this with a diagram that shows a tripod with G-d at the top and the man and the woman at the two corners on the bottom. In the illustration both the man and woman are reaching out with one hand to G-d and the other hand to each other.

I explain to them that the marriage relationship has to be a balance of commitment on both parties part. They both have to have the same level of dedication to each other, and they both have to have the same commitment to the Lord. As they work together to bring each other into a closer relationship to G-d it also draws them closer together in their relationship to each other. If they are out of balance in either direction, that imbalance will draw them farther apart.

Draw a diagram like this for yourself and place two-way arrows on the diagram between all three parties. This will allow you to see this for yourself. If you spend all your time drawing closer to your spouse/significant other the tripod is off balance and will topple because your relationship with G-d is no longer at the top. If either of you has a stronger commitment to the Lord than does the other that imbalance will create great stress on the relationship that can eventually pull the relationship apart.

[JPPT1974]

My sister-in-law's parents do that as they belong to the Church of God.
They not just do that in church.
But also they do it whenever I am around them.
Talking in prayer with tongues.

[jochanaan]

Good for them, JPPT!:amen:

[Oscarr]

1Co 14:1 ¶ Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
6 ¶ Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?
8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 ¶ What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
21 ¶ In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.
26 ¶ How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.


36 ¶ What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

Now that the passage of Scripture has been quoted, I can supply an exposition of it. Here is the link: http://personal-communication.net.nz/1Corinthians14.html

[mesue]

The Book of 1 Corinthians was to correct errors in that church.
Chp 14 deals with speaking in tongues. In a nut shell Paul says that it is a Spiritual gift to speak in tongues. If you do speak in tongues, have someone interpret what you said so that it may be edifying to the brethren and if no one can understand you, then it is of no value and to stop.
Some people have been noted to be speaking a foreign language ( cussing in that language) but because noone could interpret at the time, they thought the guy was "so Spiritual".and wasn't that just like the church at Corinth?
:D I have to go to work, otherwise I would never http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/spam4.gif

[Dmckay]

:wave: thank you buckaroo, thats kinda what i needed to hear from an outsider on my relationship.
god bless
If you'll look at buckaroo's Ident box you will see that he is charismatic and has a bias in answering the way he did.

[Dmckay]

I think what gets me is a lot of Baptists today believe in all the gifts of the Spirit EXCEPT tongues! lol My Baptist pastor's daughter speaks in tongues. And there's nothing wrong with it. I don't know why it scares a lot of Baptists.

Christina
Consider this before you set your belief in tongues in concrete: There are specific guidlines and information laid down in Scripture as to the question of tongues and their manifestation. If you study through All of the passages in the New Testament regarding tongues and compare that instruction to the manifestation of tongues as it appears in most cases today there is a stark difference. I realize that many who practice tongues try to say either that they are speaking in an angelic language or that it is the Holy Spirit talking over and speaking through them. They tie this to the passage about the Holy Spirit praying for us when we are at a loss for how we ought to pray in a situation. There are problems with both of these positions.

First, in Corinthians, when Paul says, "If I speak with the tongues…of angels…" he is not saying that it is possible for a believer to speak in an angelic language. He is emphasizing his point as to the misuse of tongues in the church. The Corinthians were coveting the gift of tongues, Paul is stating that contrary to their view that tongues is a better gift to be desired, LOVE is more important and should guide our use of whatever gift we receive from the Holy Spirit.

Secondly, the passage in Romans that many take to imply that tongues is the Holy Spirit praying through them (this is my mother-in-laws position, by the way, And we have had many long discussions about this belief) doesn't hold water. Why? Because the passage specifically says that when this takes place it is in "groanings to deep to be uttered"—in other words it is silent.

Paul specifically says that tongues is not to be used in the church UNLESS there is an interpreter present to make the meaning know to all who are present.

[Avtoritet]

Here's my TWO CENTS

1. speak to your pastor, your parents, and other leaders that you have, dont forget to talk to god about it too.

2. Tounges as practiced today,(im speaking on behalf of Slavic Churches, i dont know much stuff about American churches) have no meaning in them. they are not specific tounges that other nations or peoples speak. Yet back during the time of the pentacost apostles got the tounges that could be easily identified. in other words languages. there is alot of info on tounges. most of the tounge speaking done in churches during prayer is just a physical phenomenon. there is nothing spiritual. people that pray go into this extactic {spellchek} state that their body begins to produce a natural form of morphiene because it freaks out. usually it freaks out so bad that the muscles that controll the speaking part of you go loose and you begin to say a whole bunch of nonunderstandable stuff. people from the orient used to have the same tounges people have now in the pentacostal and charismatic churches.

talk to your "prince" about it.

my parents always used to say "if you doubt something as either right or wrong, it is probabbly wrong"


well that's it


PS. maybe it is four cents, its too long.


PPS. i dont check posts often, so if you have questions PM me.



with all Regards


PK

[jochanaan]

If you'll look at buckaroo's Ident box you will see that he is charismatic and has a bias in answering the way he did.
That wasn't called for. I am not a charismatic, but I agree with every word buckaroo wrote.

[jochanaan]

First, in Corinthians, when Paul says, "If I speak with the tongues…of angels…" he is not saying that it is possible for a believer to speak in an angelic language.
He isn't saying it isn't, either.:)
Secondly, the passage in Romans that many take to imply that tongues is the Holy Spirit praying through them (this is my mother-in-laws position, by the way, And we have had many long discussions about this belief) doesn't hold water. Why? Because the passage specifically says that when this takes place it is in "groanings to deep to be uttered"—in other words it is silent.
Uh, that "groanings to deep to be uttered" verse isn't in I Corinthians at all. It's Romans 8:26.
Paul specifically says that tongues is not to be used in the church UNLESS there is an interpreter present to make the meaning know to all who are present.
True. But, as we have been saying, Paul is not forbidding the use of tongues at all, but merely setting some guidelines for a growing church whose worship services were apparently more chaotic than most.

I have been in charismatic/pentecostal worship services, and one thing you can say about them is that they are active worshippers! Rather than the dead silence from many Baptist congregations, their people shout praise, sing vigorously, and murmur accompaniment to nearly every aspect of the worship service--much like in the African-American Baptist church I once attended in Boulder, Colorado. It's like a background music of praise. Although I do not consider myself a charismatic, I consider them my brothers in Jesus and their worship styles as valid as those of my more traditional brothers and sisters.

[Dmckay]

That wasn't called for. I am not a charismatic, but I agree with every word buckaroo wrote.Wasn't called for? This is the Baptist/Anabaptist Board. Buckaroo's post, #2, which I was referring to shows that he lists his faith as Pentecostal-Assembly of God. He is posting on the wrong board, and obviously has a bias towards charismatics. He did not mention this in his post and it needed to be pointed out.

I have been challenged about my posting here because I am not flying the Baptist Denominational icon. I had to explain that I am an ordained Conservative Baptist pastor and that we don't consider ourselves a denomination. If someone posted here saying that Mormonism is an acceptable "Christian" position, and they didn't say that they were a Mormon missionary, it would be a case of dishonesty.

You are free to agree with Buckaroo's position, I said nothing to or about you, you have nothing to complain about. However, if you were an attender of a Conservative Baptist church and you persisted in teaching or publically supporting charismatic positions, you would probably be asked to leave the church for one that was more in line with your doctrinal beliefs.

[Avtoritet]

I have been in charismatic/pentecostal worship services, and one thing you can say about them is that they are active worshippers! Rather than the dead silence from many Baptist congregations, their people shout praise, sing vigorously, and murmur accompaniment to nearly every aspect of the worship service--much like in the African-American Baptist church I once attended in Boulder, Colorado. It's like a background music of praise. Although I do not consider myself a charismatic, I consider them my brothers in Jesus and their worship styles as valid as those of my more traditional brothers and sisters.
have you been to quaker meetings;)

on the serious side.

all that praise of charismatics especially if sometimes a fraud.

one time this great preacher came up to the stand to show his powers. he took off his jacket and threw it at the crowd. half of the crowd fell because of the domino effect. the people that the jacket hit were the preachers people and they fell back purposely making all of the others fall behind them.

at other times of healings, there are some fraudulent sick. they get healed.

Charismaty is a bussiness. (from the words of one of the leaders)


one time they were removing the spirit of poverty from people. they said all who are poor come up front. then they said. god wants to see that you are generous, so give all of your mone to god. after they collected the money they said you are free from your spirit of poverty.


these are true reccoletions from an authoritative source. (the guy that lectures on this was threatened by the charismatic society, they were gonna kill him.


finally,

charismatic church if feeling based. when the real church has to be Faith based.

[eldermike]

Is there a biblical basis for teaching the onset of gifts? The reason I ask is people raised in Southern Baptist churches don't know they have the gift. The people I know that claim the gift were taught to use it. Is this accurate? is this biblical?

[Avtoritet]

Is there a biblical basis for teaching the onset of gifts? The reason I ask is people raised in Southern Baptist churches don't know they have the gift. The people I know that claim the gift were taught to use it. Is this accurate? is this biblical?Well sir, it is I who should ask questions of you, not you from me.


the gift meaning the tounge???


Apostle paul says that we should get some gifts of spirit so getting the gifts of spirit is good and biblical.

(sorry that i cant post many verses from the bible, i read mine in Russian)

PK

[Dmckay]

He isn't saying it isn't, either.:) So you believe in teaching doctrine from silence? If the Bible doesn't speak specifically about something you can believe whatever you want. Convenient.

Uh, that "groanings to deep to be uttered" verse isn't in I Corinthians at all. It's Romans 8:26. Look again at what I wrote in this paragraph. I specifically said it was from Romans.

I have been in charismatic/pentecostal worship services, and one thing you can say about them is that they are active worshippers! Rather than the dead silence from many Baptist congregations, their people shout praise, sing vigorously, and murmur accompaniment to nearly every aspect of the worship service--much like in the African-American Baptist church I once attended in Boulder, Colorado. It's like a background music of praise. Although I do not consider myself a charismatic, I consider them my brothers in Jesus and their worship styles as valid as those of my more traditional brothers and sisters.I agree that many Baptist churches have lost sight of what true worship in Spirit and truth is all about. However, it is by no means all Baptist churches. Worship comes from the old English word "Weorthship" which referres to recognition of the worthyness of the one being worshipped. While many Baptist churches have become almost liturgical in their worship services, that doesn't excuse those churches which have become so emotional in their worship that the service comes across more like a party or a dance than it does a reverential devotion to our Living G-d.

Perhaps if you feel more affinity with charismatic churches than Baptist you should move your membership.

[eldermike]

The question was rhetorical. It's meant to cause one to consider that God doesn't give gifts based on denominations.
Well sir, it is I who should ask questions of you, not you from me.


the gift meaning the tounge???


Apostle paul says that we should get some gifts of spirit so getting the gifts of spirit is good and biblical.

(sorry that i cant post many verses from the bible, i read mine in Russian)

PK

[jochanaan]

So you believe in teaching doctrine from silence? If the Bible doesn't speak specifically about something you can believe whatever you want. Convenient.
No, it's precisely because I don't believe in "teaching doctrine from silence" that I leave open the possibility that the gift of tongues may sometimes involve an angelic language.
Look again at what I wrote in this paragraph. I specifically said it was from Romans.
I apologize. I misread the paragraph.
Perhaps if you feel more affinity with charismatic churches than Baptist you should move your membership.
As for that, I feel affinity for Baptist, charismatic, liturgical, holiness, and many other denominations. The Baptist branch of Christianity is currently where I feel most able to serve. But I hate how Christians have become divided and suspicious of each other's beliefs and practices. We could learn from the charismatics, just as they could learn from us.