Interesting web site

[karen freeinchristman]

http://www.affirmingcatholicism.org.uk/

I have read that the Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams is a member of this group. I had never heard of them before today.

[john23237]

http://www.affirmingcatholicism.org.uk/

I have read that the Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams is a member of this group. I had never heard of them before today.

Well, for whatever it is worth, we are all over the world and seemingly growing in numbers. In the past, we were usually simply referred to as liberal Anglocatholics. Quite simply, we are conservative (orthodox catholic) in matters of faith, but very liberal to socialist on social issues.

[SirTimothy]

Indeed, the ABC is a member, since one of the bloggers who I read her blog met him at an AffCaff dinner...

Timothy

[ebia]

http://www.affirmingcatholicism.org.uk/

I have read that the Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams is a member of this group. I had never heard of them before today.
I'm surprised you've never heard of AffCaff before, but they don't tend to be very loud compared with the "competion".

[trooper]

I'm not especially fond of their message. Though, it is important to know that they are out there (and in here). All part of the big tent, I suppose.

I find it complicated that they claim Catholicism and liberalism at the same time. Don't know quite how to kosher that with the "faith once received," but... there you go.

I have been reading Canon Harmon's website a lot recently. Excellent news coverage from all sides. He's at: titusonenine.com

[DarthDigger]

Thanks for the link karen

[Fish and Bread]

I find it complicated that they claim Catholicism and liberalism at the same time. Don't know quite how to kosher that with the "faith once received," but... there you go.

They claim Catholicism the same way liberal Protestants claim Protestantism. I think what we're talking about, essentially, is a liberal worldview combined with Marian devotion (Including rosaries, etc), veneration of the saints, strong Eucharistic devotion (Including adoration, etc.), a sacrificial view of the Eucharist, often various high-church practices, a sense of the importance of bishops, and, probably most importantly from their perspective, the idea that Church is a concept to be adapted into the time and place which one lives in to a certain degree (Well, the Roman Catholics seem to have that idea, at least). The Saints tended to speak a lot to the issues of their own times, but really didn't have a position on a lot of the things we face today like artificial birth control or cloning. It's not unreasonable to be a liberal Anglo-Catholic, even though there may seem to be some inconsistancies here and there. After all, for one who doesn't have faith in any given theology, almost any theology can seem a little wacky in places. But I think Affirming Anglo-Catholicism a plausible extrapulation of the Catholic faith, despite a few things that seem to be a bit further explanation/exploration than I have available to me.

John

[loriersea]

Thanks for the link. :thumbsup:

[john23237]

I'm not especially fond of their message. Though, it is important to know that they are out there (and in here). All part of the big tent, I suppose.

I find it complicated that they claim Catholicism and liberalism at the same time. Don't know quite how to kosher that with the "faith once received," but... there you go.

I have been reading Canon Harmon's website a lot recently. Excellent news coverage from all sides. He's at: titusonenine.com

Perhaps it might be helpful to touch upon differing understandings of the "faith once received". Why would Our Lord give His church the power to "bind and loosen" if He never intended the church to make use of it? Why send the Holy Spirit? To guide the church for a short period of time and then no longer? Is the true meaning of the "faith once received" that the Holy Spirit was with the church until 1054AD and then went into retirement? To some the "faith once received" is like a marble statue, carved out of lifeless stone and once created unable to change even the slightest in expression. To others, our faith, the church, and the Body of Christ are a living organism, created as such by the Christ for an express purpose, not man's purpose, but rather His purpose. Our Lord gave His church the power to "bind and loosen" so that it could change and the guidance of the Holy Spirit so that it would know when and where to do so. It is not a question of "rewriting the book" so to speak, but rather one of understanding how to apply it to differant times and circumstances. This may be a differant way to see orthodox catholic thought than taught by some, but it is certainly not outside of it.

[karen freeinchristman]

Perhaps it might be helpful to touch upon differing understandings of the "faith once received". Why would Our Lord give His church the power to "bind and loosen" if He never intended the church to make use of it? Why send the Holy Spirit? To guide the church for a short period of time and then no longer? Is the true meaning of the "faith once received" that the Holy Spirit was with the church until 1054AD and then went into retirement? To some the "faith once received" is like a marble statue, carved out of lifeless stone and once created unable to change even the slightest in expression. To others, our faith, the church, and the Body of Christ are a living organism, created as such by the Christ for an express purpose, not man's purpose, but rather His purpose. Our Lord gave His church the power to "bind and loosen" so that it could change and the guidance of the Holy Spirit so that it would know when and where to do so. It is not a question of "rewriting the book" so to speak, but rather one of understanding how to apply it to differant times and circumstances. This may be a differant way to see orthodox catholic thought than taught by some, but it is certainly not outside of it.
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