31 October 1517

[aReformedPatriot]

Reformation Day

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Reformation Day is a red-letter day (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red-letter_day) in remembrance of the Protestant Reformation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_Reformation). It takes place on October 31 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_31) and is an official holiday in many countries. It coincides with Halloween (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween).

On this day in 1517 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1517), Martin Luther (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther) nailed his 95 Theses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/95_Theses) on the door of the church in Wittenberg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wittenberg), Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany).




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An important day in history, without a doubt.

[carmi]

An important day in history, without a doubt.



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[mesue]

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An important day in history, without a doubt.

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

It's interesting the only other verse that showed when I searched "know the truth"
Coincidence? God's word is awesome.

[arunma]

This definitely is an important day!

Heh...the Catholics are going to hate us for this. :D

[Diane_Windsor]

Reformation Day


An important day in history, without a doubt.


:clap: Praise and thanks be to God for the life and work of St. Martin Luther!

Diane
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[mesue]

This definitely is an important day!

Heh...the Catholics are going to hate us for this. :D

Only this?
Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Is what followed afterward.

[MrJim]

He was a real piece of work. Historical anabaptists have never been fond of Luther. It was the whole persecution thing. Maybe you don't realize that if you lived in Luther's day (or Calvin's) under his rule you probably wouldn't think much of him either. You'd be hiding in the hedgerows with those anabaptists...

[arunma]

He was a real piece of work. Historical anabaptists have never been fond of Luther. It was the whole persecution thing. Maybe you don't realize that if you lived in Luther's day (or Calvin's) under his rule you probably wouldn't think much of him either. You'd be hiding in the hedgerows with those anabaptists...

I'm afraid I'm not sure what you're talking about. Unless you're talking about "The Jews and Their Lies," I'm not sure what sort of persecution Martin Luther advocated. I am aware that Calvin supported the immolation of heretics, but as far as I remember from my reading, he only once gave court testimony which actually led to a heretic's execution.

I do know that the Queen Mary vigorously persecuted the anabaptists, but she was Roman Catholic.

[MrJim]

I'm afraid I'm not sure what you're talking about. Unless you're talking about "The Jews and Their Lies," I'm not sure what sort of persecution Martin Luther advocated. I am aware that Calvin supported the immolation of heretics, but as far as I remember from my reading, he only once gave court testimony which actually led to a heretic's execution.

I do know that the Queen Mary vigorously persecuted the anabaptists, but she was Roman Catholic.

Anabaptists were persecuted by exile or worse by not only the RC but the protestants as well. As particular as Luther and Calvin were theologically do you really think they'd let you get away with not baptizing your kids?

One of the first anabaptist martyr was Felix Manz. He was executed in Zurich under Zwingli (Reformed) by drowning.

Haven't heard of "The Jews and their Lies". Are you familiar with the Martyr's Mirror?
http://www.homecomers.org/mirror/intro.htm

[arunma]

Anabaptists were persecuted by exile or worse by not only the RC but the protestants as well. As particular as Luther and Calvin were theologically do you really think they'd let you get away with not baptizing your kids?

One of the first anabaptist martyr was Felix Manz. He was executed in Zurich under Zwingli (Reformed) by drowning.

Haven't heard of "The Jews and their Lies". Are you familiar with the Martyr's Mirror?
http://www.homecomers.org/mirror/intro.htm


Did Zwingli personally approve of this execution?

[MrJim]

Did Zwingli personally approve of this execution?

He didn't stop it and he was a powerful fella.

These early anabaptists were Zwingli's students. Manz, George Blaurock, and Conrad Grebel followed in step with Zwingli and the revolution until they felt that the reformers were not going far enough. Zwingli and Luther were still holding to a lot of elements of the RC. The anabaptist movement, called the "Radical Reformation" pushed further. They said that baptism was for believers only (among other things). It was not that Zwingli wasn't sympathetic but that he thought it more than society was ready for.

So while the most violent executions were carried out in the RC jurisdictions the reformers would exile, imprison, (or worse) and generally persecute these radicals. Evangelicals today generally fit into the "believer's baptism" camp and thereby would not fit into Lutheran/Calvinist camps-as much as they claim these reformers as their own.

I was in a reformed baptist congregation for a few years. An elder there had a copy of the video "The Radicals" which is about the anabaptist martyr Michael Sattler. Reformed baptists are hard-core calvinists. I asked him if he realized that as a reformed baptist he would not be welcome in Calvin's Geneva and would be considered a heretic for not baptizing his babies. He said yes, he realized that and was glad he didn't live back then.

[Joykins]

If I lived back then...ugh. Can you imagine how confusing it must have been to live in England during the Reformation?

First you had to be Catholic.

Then you had to be Henry's form of Protestant (Catholic without Pope).

Then you had to be Edward's form of Protestant (proto-Puritan?)

Then you had to be Catholic when Mary invited in the Spanish Inquisition.

Then with Elizabeth you had to be Protestant again...:doh:

All that plus the Plague, smallpox, the sweating sickness, dysentery, high rates of maternal mortality...

No, you couldn't pay me to do it, really.

[arunma]

So while the most violent executions were carried out in the RC jurisdictions the reformers would exile, imprison, (or worse) and generally persecute these radicals. Evangelicals today generally fit into the "believer's baptism" camp and thereby would not fit into Lutheran/Calvinist camps-as much as they claim these reformers as their own.

Yes, it's true that most evangelicals believe in believer's baptism, yet love Luther's doctrines (some of us also like Calvin). I think the important thing here is to focus on the doctrine, and not the men.

Let us also remember that the reformers weren't gods, and they perhaps didn't understand the wrongfulness of executing heretics. They lived in a more primative time, which is why I don't entirely fault them for that. After all, recall that even Moses and Elijah executed heretics.

[Iollain]

I have stole this from the Lutheran part of CF. I don't think they saw me.:)


Sung to the tune of "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious"

"The Reformation Polka"

by Richard Gebel



When I was just ein junger Mann I studied canon law;

While Erfurt was a challenge, it was just to please my Pa.

Then came the storm, the lightning struck, I called upon Saint Anne,

I shaved my head, I took my vows, an Augustinian!

Oh, -



- Refrain -

Papal bulls, indulgences, and transubstantiation

Speak your mind against them and face excommunication!

Nail your theses to the door, let's start a Reformation!

Papal bulls, indulgences, and transubstantiation!

----



When Tetzel came near Wittenberg, St. Peter's profits soared,

I wrote a little notice for the All Saints' Bull'tin board:

"You cannot purchase merits, for we're justified by grace!

Here's 95 more reasons, Brother Tetzel, in your face!"

Oh-



- Refrain -



They loved my tracts, adored my wit, all were exempleror;

The Pope, however, hauled me up before the Emperor.

"Are these your books? Do you recant?" King Charles did demand,

"I will not change my Diet, Sir, God help me here I stand!"

Oh-



- Refrain -



Duke Frederick took the Wise approach, responding to my words,

By knighting "George" as hostage in the Kingdom of the Birds.

Use Brother Martin's model if the languages you seek,

Stay locked inside a castle with your Hebrew and your Greek!

Oh-



- Refrain -



Let's raise our steins and Concord Books while gathered in this place,

And spread the word that 'catholic' is spelled with lower case;

The Word remains unfettered when the Spirit gets his chance,

So come on, Katy, drop your lute, and join us in our dance!

Oh-



- Refrain -

[aReformedPatriot]

ah ha!!! That was awesome Iollian.... Me thinks I am going to tuck that away for a rainy day

[KagomeShuko]

Illoian, well, I know that I didn't see you in there. Heh.

:)

Stein Auf!
Bridget

[ZiSunka]

where would we be if he hadn't had the courage to do what he did, to speak out for the truth?

[JPPT1974]

I'm afraid I'm not sure what you're talking about. Unless you're talking about "The Jews and Their Lies," I'm not sure what sort of persecution Martin Luther advocated. I am aware that Calvin supported the immolation of heretics, but as far as I remember from my reading, he only once gave court testimony which actually led to a heretic's execution.

I do know that the Queen Mary vigorously persecuted the anabaptists, but she was Roman Catholic.

That is wierd that Queen Mary would vigoriously persecute the anabaptists. But how would she had felt if it had been the other way around.
It is kind of like my religion is better than yours.