Do Baptists have a book with the beliefs? Such as the Doctrines that Catholics have

[ArchangelGabriel]

dont say the bible because so many other religions have the exact bible i meant baptist interpretations etc.

[Lisa0315]

dont say the bible because so many other religions have the exact bible i meant baptist interpretations etc.

Our beliefs are very simple, thus, the title fundamental. We believe in the very basics of the Bible in other words.

I have seen a list inside my Sunday School Quarterly, but no, I don't think there is an "official" book of the Baptists.

[ArchangelGabriel]

Our beliefs are very simple, thus, the title fundamental. We believe in the very basics of the Bible in other words.

I have seen a list inside my Sunday School Quarterly, but no, I don't think there is an "official" book of the Baptists.

ergh but that leaves everything imaginable left up to interpretation

(umm i guess a souther baptist boo would be best for what i need but any and all will be helpful)

[Lisa0315]

ergh but that leaves everything imaginable left up to interpretation

(umm i guess a souther baptist boo would be best for what i need but any and all will be helpful)

I am not a Southern Baptist. I am Independent which means that my church does not have an association. We goven ourselves.

I will try to give you a summary of what we believe: Paraphrased from the American Baptist Quarterly, "Through the Bible" series


Love is the greatest commandment
The Bible is the infallible Word of God
We believe in the trinity of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. One God, three parts.
We believe in the Genesis account of creation
Satan is a fallen angel and the enemy of God
We believe in the Virgin Birth of Christ and the sinless humanity of Jesus
We believe in the deity of Christ.
The Holy Spirit is the divine administrator of the church
Miraculous spiritual gifts were done away with when the Bible was completed. Faith, Hope, and Love are the abiding gifts.
We believe that man was created in the image of God and that sin entered the world upon man's voluntary transgression resulting in all men being born sinners.
Jesus Christ died for sinners as a substitution for our own death, but is only effective for those who believe on Christ.
We believe in the ressurection and ascension of Christ.
We believe in the return of Christ in which he will set up an earthly kingdom that will last for 1000 years.
We believe that we are saved by grace alone
We believe that we are eternally secure upon salvation
We believe that God deals with believers as a parent to a child. Punishing those who disobey, and rewarding those who obey.
We believe that Jesus established His church during His earthly ministry
There are two ordinances in the Lord's church: Water Baptism and the Lord's Supper. Both are done as symbolic acts of obedience and in memory of the Lord
There are two divinely appointed offices in the church, both filled by men: Pastors and Deacons
All associations, fellowships and committees are sevants of and under the control of the churches.
We believe in freedom of worship without interference from the government and affirm our belief in civil obedience unless the laws run contrary to the Holy Scriptures.

[FreeinChrist]

This may be what you are looking for:
http://www.sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp

[MrJim]

No there is not since there are so many different kinds of baptists.

[ArchangelGabriel]

I am not a Southern Baptist. I am Independent which means that my church does not have an association. We goven ourselves.

I will try to give you a summary of what we believe: Paraphrased from the American Baptist Quarterly, "Through the Bible" series


Love is the greatest commandment
The Bible is the infallible Word of God
We believe in the trinity of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. One God, three parts.
We believe in the Genesis account of creation
Satan is a fallen angel and the enemy of God
We believe in the Virgin Birth of Christ and the sinless humanity of Jesus
We believe in the deity of Christ.
The Holy Spirit is the divine administrator of the church
Miraculous spiritual gifts were done away with when the Bible was completed. Faith, Hope, and Love are the abiding gifts.
We believe that man was created in the image of God and that sin entered the world upon man's voluntary transgression resulting in all men being born sinners.
Jesus Christ died for sinners as a substitution for our own death, but is only effective for those who believe on Christ.
We believe in the ressurection and ascension of Christ.
We believe in the return of Christ in which he will set up an earthly kingdom that will last for 1000 years.
We believe that we are saved by grace alone
We believe that we are eternally secure upon salvation
We believe that God deals with believers as a parent to a child. Punishing those who disobey, and rewarding those who obey.
We believe that Jesus established His church during His earthly ministry
There are two ordinances in the Lord's church: Water Baptism and the Lord's Supper. Both are done as symbolic acts of obedience and in memory of the Lord
There are two divinely appointed offices in the church, both filled by men: Pastors and Deacons
All associations, fellowships and committees are sevants of and under the control of the churches.
We believe in freedom of worship without interference from the government and affirm our belief in civil obedience unless the laws run contrary to the Holy Scriptures.


on 6 what do you belive about the virgin

[ArchangelGabriel]

This may be what you are looking for:
http://www.sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp

God as man

explain Mary in further deatil please

[ArchangelGabriel]

No there is not since there are so many different kinds of baptists.

yeah but wouldnt that justify a even more need for it since its hard to tell them apart wouldnt you want a actual statement

[MrJim]

yeah but wouldnt that justify a even more need for it since its hard to tell them apart wouldnt you want a actual statement

Most all have some sort of doctrinal statement free for the askin'. Check web sites for the major baptist denoms and hunt around for the independents.

[ArchangelGabriel]

yes but they all seem to be very vauge
and it doenst help that baptists never adress any theology or never really talk about old testement factual or contreversal stuff its always about daily influence and such

[ArchangelGabriel]

(thats was a comment on my own sunday school class not to be mistaken with baptists in general because i personaly know that there are older classes at my church that seem like they would be excellent)

[FreeinChrist]

God as man

explain Mary in further deatil please

What precisely are you wanting to know?

We believe that Mary was a virgin when she conceived via the Holy Spirit and gave birth to Jesus, who is 100%God/100%man (Incarnation).

She is blessed because she was chosen to bear the Messiah. She is an example of obedience to God that we should all follow.

[FreeinChrist]

yes but they all seem to be very vauge
and it doenst help that baptists never adress any theology or never really talk about old testement factual or contreversal stuff its always about daily influence and such

Never really talk abut old testament factual or controversial stuff?

They always did at the Baptist churches I attended!

[ArchangelGabriel]

...well was Mary sinless so that she would be good and holy in Gods sight
also that she might be holy that her fruit( Jesus) could be born of her (im not trying to get into a large debate here)((just need a simple answer backed by a simple reason))

[ArchangelGabriel]

also what is your baptist veiw on communication between earthly peeps and peeps in heaven not like talking to the dead but like for instance Catholics having Mary "pray for them"

[ArchangelGabriel]

see i know that now im leaning towards Mary mainly cause thats the original reason why i needed a book or something but i still want a book or something so i can KNOW what it is i believe if im in that denomination FOR INSTANCE baptists belive that the "body and blood" is SYMBOLIC but when were we taught that and where is that written so that one can go and learn it

[ArchangelGabriel]

Never really talk abut old testament factual or controversial stuff?

They always did at the Baptist churches I attended!
well im only 14 and im not very happy with my situation right now i think its going to improve though

[FreeinChrist]

...well was Mary sinless so that she would be good and holy in Gods sight
also that she might be holy that her fruit( Jesus) could be born of her (im not trying to get into a large debate here)((just need a simple answer backed by a simple reason))

The whole problem with the idea that Mary had to be born sinless so that Jesus could be born sinless is that the same thing would be required of her parents...and their parents...on and on. Also, Jesus was sinless - but He was also God in the flesh. He wasn't just Mary's.

So Baptists believe she was obedient and chosen, a believer - but one who needed a Saviour, too.


Also, we do not believe in praying to saints, but only to God. How can the saints hear? God is omnipresent but not he saints. One answer I have received is that they hear via the spirit - but in that case, why not go to God? There isn't one instance in the Bible where praying to those who have physically died has been okay - exceopt to Christ who was physically raised from the dead and is God.

Maybe this page will help:
http://www.baptiststart.com/doctrine.htm

[aReformedPatriot]

Your Best bet and what they use at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary and Boyce College is Wayne Grudem's Systematic Theology. For a book on who man is before God Hoekema's Created in God's Image is an excellent overview. Also I would check out books like Christ, our Righteousness: Paul's Theology of Justification by SBTS professor Mark Seifrid and Thomas Schriner's Paul, Apostle of God's Glory: Pauline Theology.

This is a good start. You will find that overall Baptist's and Catholic's believe antithetical Ideas on several levels.

[aReformedPatriot]

see i know that now im leaning towards Mary mainly cause thats the original reason why i needed a book or something but i still want a book or something so i can KNOW what it is i believe if im in that denomination FOR INSTANCE baptists belive that the "body and blood" is SYMBOLIC but when were we taught that and where is that written so that one can go and learn it

With regard to Real Presence, it is important to understand that the Bible employs many genre's of literature and writing technique. One of those is the use of symbols over and over again. For instance, the use of burning incense in the OT symbolized prayers rising up to heaven. Likewise when Jesus says you must eat my flesh he was being symbolic. Christ himself even identifies the drink as "wine" and is something we do "in remembrance of."

With regard to praying to the saints one first needs to find the concept of "canonization" within scripture and you will find there is none for it is a tradition. Secondly, all who are Christian are dubbed "saints." Further, we can go before the throne of God on our own if need be. In the Bible the concept of intercession by our brothers in sisters is always earth-based, we never see saints in heaven praying for each other. Further Hebrews says that we may approach the throne of God boldly without the need of others. If I am going to pray, I am going to pray directly to God not to another person asking them to pray for me. I read in OBOB that one is not praying to someone they are merely asking them to pray for you. Well, it seems to me that unless you call someone in heaven and ask, you are praying to them first off.

[aReformedPatriot]

...well was Mary sinless so that she would be good and holy in Gods sight
also that she might be holy that her fruit( Jesus) could be born of her (im not trying to get into a large debate here)((just need a simple answer backed by a simple reason))

We are condemned by Adam's sin as he was the representative of the human race. Therefore all of Adam's posterity would be cursed. Biblically the man is the head of the household much like Christ is the head of the church. If sin is passed down "genetically" (which is what you are essentially saying) and Jesus was preserved from the stain of Original Sin (which is attributed to Adam) it is helpful to know that Jesus did not have an earthly Father, for remember that Mary convieved Jesus by the Holy Spirit. That does not infer that Mary was sinless. David was considered godly but he sinned, the same with every man in the world. Likewise If Mary was sinless so must her parents have been before her, and their parents before them until the beggining of time. If God could preserve Mary like that, so he could have preserved Jesus.

Is that a simple reason?

[Iollain]

...well was Mary sinless so that she would be good and holy in Gods sight
also that she might be holy that her fruit( Jesus) could be born of her (im not trying to get into a large debate here)((just need a simple answer backed by a simple reason))


God does not cheat, all children of Adam are under the curse of death and sin, last i checked Mary was a decendant of Adam. Or maybe i should say we were under it.

[Iollain]

also what is your baptist veiw on communication between earthly peeps and peeps in heaven not like talking to the dead but like for instance Catholics having Mary "pray for them"


There is not a hint of contacting the dead in Christ in the Bible.

[Iollain]

see i know that now im leaning towards Mary mainly cause thats the original reason why i needed a book or something but i still want a book or something so i can KNOW what it is i believe if im in that denomination FOR INSTANCE baptists belive that the "body and blood" is SYMBOLIC but when were we taught that and where is that written so that one can go and learn it

Baptist do not make people believe that the body and blood are symbolic, some believe they are spiritually so.

[BBAS 64]

Good Day,

You may wish to read th LBCF

http://www.iei.net/~doghouse/lbcf1689.htm

Peace to u,

Bill

[Gold Dragon]

Here is a list of some historic Baptist documents.
Reformed Reader: Historic Baptist documents (http://www.reformedreader.org/ccc/hbd.htm)

Because of the baptist concept of congregationalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congregationalist_church_governance) or local autonomy, each local Baptist church is able to determine their own policies, polity and doctrine. They are not subject to the authority of any historic Baptist documents or doctrinal statements from a convention, association or denominational group.

However, some historic Baptist documents are commonly used as templates for local churches. One is the 1689 Second London Baptist Confession of Faith (http://www.reformedreader.org/ccc/1689lbc/english/1689econtents.htm) that BBAS 64 mentioned above. Another one held in high esteem by Baptists is the American 1833 New Hampshire Baptist Confession of Faith (http://www.reformedreader.org/ccc/1833newh.htm).

Individual conventions/associations also have their own doctrinal statements. The Southern Baptist convention's Baptist Faith and Message (http://www.reformedreader.org/ccc/1925bfam.htm) (1925, (http://www.reformedreader.org/ccc/1925bfam.htm) 1963 (http://www.reformedreader.org/ccc/faithand.htm), 2000 (http://www.sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp)) is significant because of the size of the SBC as the largest Baptist association in the world and the weakening of the concept of local autonomy because of the SBC requirement that all its members sign in agreement to its statement of faith.

Just an fyi for those interested the SBC BF&M is based on the 1833 New Hampshire confession. Additionally the 1689 London confession is based on the famous Reformed/Presbyterian document, the Westminister Confession of Faith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_Confession) (1647).

[mesue]

dont say the bible because so many other religions have the exact bible i meant baptist interpretations etc.
Sorry, but that's the answer for Independent Baptists, the Bible.
That's why we say:
"I'm a Blood bought, Bible believing, forgiven child of God."
There are no "Man's Tradition" in my church. If it isn't in the Bible it isn't taught or preached in my church.
I don't have the exact same Bible as you. Even if it were the exact same Bible it isn't "Man's Interpretation" because it is the Holy Spirit that opens the hears, not man.

[arunma]

In response to the OP, my church actually does have a catechism. New believers who find it helpful can use it to learn about our church's beliefs.

[Lisa0315]

on 6 what do you belive about the virgin

That she was a human woman who was used by God in a special way, nothing more, nothing less. We do not venerate Mary. We do not believe she had or has special powers. Jesus was her Saviour as much as He is mine. We do not pray to Mary or any dead person. We do not call her the mother of God. We do not believe that she remained a perpetual virgin. We believe that she had other children with Joseph who became her husband in a real sense AFTER the birth of Christ.

[ArchangelGabriel]

The whole problem with the idea that Mary had to be born sinless so that Jesus could be born sinless is that the same thing would be required of her parents...and their parents...on and on. Also, Jesus was sinless - but He was also God in the flesh. He wasn't just Mary's.

So Baptists believe she was obedient and chosen, a believer - but one who needed a Saviour, too.


Also, we do not believe in praying to saints, but only to God. How can the saints hear? God is omnipresent but not he saints. One answer I have received is that they hear via the spirit - but in that case, why not go to God? There isn't one instance in the Bible where praying to those who have physically died has been okay - exceopt to Christ who was physically raised from the dead and is God.

Maybe this page will help:
http://www.baptiststart.com/doctrine.htm
1. no the belief that tags along with Marys sinlessness is that God took away her original sin at the start so her dad could have had it and so on and so forth
2. the belief also says that Mary was sinless but in that sinning was ineveitable which would make her need a savoir
3.Its not praying TO them its having them pray for us
4. well if christ why not others if christ has this power from him being in the father and vis versa

[ArchangelGabriel]

With regard to Real Presence, it is important to understand that the Bible employs many genre's of literature and writing technique. One of those is the use of symbols over and over again. For instance, the use of burning incense in the OT symbolized prayers rising up to heaven. Likewise when Jesus says you must eat my flesh he was being symbolic. Christ himself even identifies the drink as "wine" and is something we do "in remembrance of."

With regard to praying to the saints one first needs to find the concept of "canonization" within scripture and you will find there is none for it is a tradition. Secondly, all who are Christian are dubbed "saints." Further, we can go before the throne of God on our own if need be. In the Bible the concept of intercession by our brothers in sisters is always earth-based, we never see saints in heaven praying for each other. Further Hebrews says that we may approach the throne of God boldly without the need of others. If I am going to pray, I am going to pray directly to God not to another person asking them to pray for me. I read in OBOB that one is not praying to someone they are merely asking them to pray for you. Well, it seems to me that unless you call someone in heaven and ask, you are praying to them first off.

doesnt it say somewhere in the bible that whenever 2 are gathered God is there or something and even if it doesnt then why bother gathering in fellowship or whats with prayer lists and having pastors visit you in the hospital ...why pray for the hungry?

[BBAS 64]

1. no the belief that tags along with Marys sinlessness is that God took away her original sin at the start so her dad could have had it and so on and so forth
2. the belief also says that Mary was sinless but in that sinning was ineveitable which would make her need a savoir
3.Its not praying TO them its having them pray for us
4. well if christ why not others if christ has this power from him being in the father and vis versa

Good Day,Gabriel

:scratch:

[ArchangelGabriel]

We are condemned by Adam's sin as he was the representative of the human race. Therefore all of Adam's posterity would be cursed. Biblically the man is the head of the household much like Christ is the head of the church. If sin is passed down "genetically" (which is what you are essentially saying) and Jesus was preserved from the stain of Original Sin (which is attributed to Adam) it is helpful to know that Jesus did not have an earthly Father, for remember that Mary convieved Jesus by the Holy Spirit. That does not infer that Mary was sinless. David was considered godly but he sinned, the same with every man in the world. Likewise If Mary was sinless so must her parents have been before her, and their parents before them until the beggining of time. If God could preserve Mary like that, so he could have preserved Jesus.

Is that a simple reason?

so your saying that its not unreasonable to believe that God is limited to genetics but it is to believe that Mary was sinless so that Jesus would have a pure mother or what not ..... I should have mentioned the Conception of Mary at first but it basicly states that Mary's original sin was removed or whatever by God before she was concieved

[ArchangelGabriel]

We are condemned by Adam's sin as he was the representative of the human race. Therefore all of Adam's posterity would be cursed. Biblically the man is the head of the household much like Christ is the head of the church. If sin is passed down "genetically" (which is what you are essentially saying) and Jesus was preserved from the stain of Original Sin (which is attributed to Adam) it is helpful to know that Jesus did not have an earthly Father, for remember that Mary convieved Jesus by the Holy Spirit. That does not infer that Mary was sinless. David was considered godly but he sinned, the same with every man in the world. Likewise If Mary was sinless so must her parents have been before her, and their parents before them until the beggining of time. If God could preserve Mary like that, so he could have preserved Jesus.

Is that a simple reason?

so your saying that its not unreasonable to believe that God is limited to genetics but it is to believe that Mary was sinless so that Jesus would have a pure mother or what not ..... I should have mentioned the Conception of Mary at first but it basicly states that Mary's original sin was removed or whatever by God before she was concieved

[ArchangelGabriel]

God does not cheat, all children of Adam are under the curse of death and sin, last i checked Mary was a decendant of Adam. Or maybe i should say we were under it.

? cheat (hahahaah)
1. whos rules is God (GOD!!!!!) playing by
2. well GOD said only good trees can produce good fruit so wouldnt it be cheating if he let a badd tree(Mary) produce a good fruit(Jesus)
3. yes that is do to sinning being inevitable but God could lift that if he saw it fit

[ArchangelGabriel]

There is not a hint of contacting the dead in Christ in the Bible.
yes thats correct if your meaning physically dead (period) but if you mean physically dead but spiritually alive then there may or may not depending on interpretation

[ArchangelGabriel]

Baptist do not make people believe that the body and blood are symbolic, some believe they are spiritually so.

wait what?
yeah they do?
....
hold on before i say your wrong exaplin "spiritually so"

[ArchangelGabriel]

Good Day,

You may wish to read th LBCF

http://www.iei.net/~doghouse/lbcf1689.htm

Peace to u,

Bill

ill be sure to read it

[ArchangelGabriel]

Sorry, but that's the answer for Independent Baptists, the Bible.
That's why we say:
"I'm a Blood bought, Bible believing, forgiven child of God."
There are no "Man's Tradition" in my church. If it isn't in the Bible it isn't taught or preached in my church.
I don't have the exact same Bible as you. Even if it were the exact same Bible it isn't "Man's Interpretation" because it is the Holy Spirit that opens the hears, not man.

they why the sooo many different religions?

[ArchangelGabriel]

Sorry, but that's the answer for Independent Baptists, the Bible.
That's why we say:
"I'm a Blood bought, Bible believing, forgiven child of God."
There are no "Man's Tradition" in my church. If it isn't in the Bible it isn't taught or preached in my church.
I don't have the exact same Bible as you. Even if it were the exact same Bible it isn't "Man's Interpretation" because it is the Holy Spirit that opens the hears, not man.

nopt that i dont respect that belief, (just needed a book explaining the baptist veiws on the bible)

[ArchangelGabriel]

In response to the OP, my church actually does have a catechism. New believers who find it helpful can use it to learn about our church's beliefs.

may i read it?

[mesue]

nopt that i dont respect that belief, (just needed a book explaining the baptist veiws on the bible)
I suppose they're out there, I just haven't read them. Maybe the Southern Baptists or the American Baptists have some books you can read. They are very regulated. Not so with the Independent Baptists.

[ArchangelGabriel]

That she was a human woman who was used by God in a special way, nothing more, nothing less. We do not venerate Mary. We do not believe she had or has special powers. Jesus was her Saviour as much as He is mine. We do not pray to Mary or any dead person. We do not call her the mother of God. We do not believe that she remained a perpetual virgin. We believe that she had other children with Joseph who became her husband in a real sense AFTER the birth of Christ.

1.do you "venerate" the actions/ways God used Mary?
2.someone believers she has "special powers"?
3.yes naturally or she wouldnt have needed Jesus so why birth him
4.but she was? it says so. it also refers to her as she being OUR mother
5.yeah i think she had kida too since (i dont know where ergh!) i thought i read somewhere in the bible that it makes reference to Jesus' siblings

[Lisa0315]

I suppose they're out there, I just haven't read them. Maybe the Southern Baptists or the American Baptists have some books you can read. They are very regulated. Not so with the Independent Baptists.

Yep, I had to borrow from an American Baptist Quarterly to give the points that I did.

[Lisa0315]

1.do you "venerate" the actions/ways God used Mary?
2.someone believers she has "special powers"?
3.yes naturally or she wouldnt have needed Jesus so why birth him
4.but she was? it says so. it also refers to her as she being OUR mother
5.yeah i think she had kida too since (i dont know where ergh!) i thought i read somewhere in the bible that it makes reference to Jesus' siblings

I do not venerate any human being. I love my mother. I never knew Mary. To me, Mary is a human woman who was picked by God for a very special purpose.

Yes, Catholics believe that Mary has special powers. I don't.

I don't understand your third point. Please clarify.

I do not know where in the Bible it says that Mary is OUR mother. She was the earthly mother of Jesus. That is all.

The Bible does refer to James, the brother of our Lord. I believe that church history does record that the siblings of Jesus did not believe in Him until AFTER His resurrection.

[ArchangelGabriel]

I do not venerate any human being. I love my mother. I never knew Mary. To me, Mary is a human woman who was picked by God for a very special purpose.

Yes, Catholics believe that Mary has special powers. I don't.

I don't understand your third point. Please clarify.

I do not know where in the Bible it says that Mary is OUR mother. She was the earthly mother of Jesus. That is all.

The Bible does refer to James, the brother of our Lord. I believe that church history does record that the siblings of Jesus did not believe in Him until AFTER His resurrection.

1. LOL you dont venerate any HUMAN being but you LOVE your mother ...os she human????
2. They do, who said that... if they truely do(¿) then please name at least one
3.of course Mary needed a savior wheather or not she was sinless doesnt affect that because even though she being sinless would make her able to get to heavben without Jesus she would still reconize that sin is inevitable so she would need a savior
4. When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! 27 Then saith he to the disciples, Behold thy mother!

[ArchangelGabriel]

furthermore i didnt ask if you venerated Mary i asked if you venerated the actions she took through God or visa versa

[Lisa0315]

1. LOL you dont venerate any HUMAN being but you LOVE your mother ...os she human????
2. They do, who said that... if they truely do(¿) then please name at least one
3.of course Mary needed a savior wheather or not she was sinless doesnt affect that because even though she being sinless would make her able to get to heavben without Jesus she would still reconize that sin is inevitable so she would need a savior
4. When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! 27 Then saith he to the disciples, Behold thy mother!

I do not hold the same definition of veneration as you do, apparently. To me, to venerate someone is to hold them in such high esteem that you feel that they do no wrong. I love my mother for the good, the bad, and the ugly. I love my mother not because she is a saint, but despite the fact that she isn't one. That's the difference.

Catholics believe that Mary can intervene on their behalf with God. I would call that special powers.

Mary was not sinless.

Yes, Jesus gave the care of his earthly mother over to John. That does not mean that she is MY mother.

[mesue]

...4. When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! 27 Then saith he to the disciples, Behold thy mother!
It was Jewish tradition that the eldest son took care of his widowed mother, this included seeing to it that she was taken care of in the event of his death. Jesus was being a good son to His mother and an obedient Jew.

[ArchangelGabriel]

I do not hold the same definition of veneration as you do, apparently. To me, to venerate someone is to hold them in such high esteem that you feel that they do no wrong. I love my mother for the good, the bad, and the ugly. I love my mother not because she is a saint, but despite the fact that she isn't one. That's the difference.

Catholics believe that Mary can intervene on their behalf with God. I would call that special powers.

Mary was not sinless.

Yes, Jesus gave the care of his earthly mother over to John. That does not mean that she is MY mother.

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ven·er·ate
tr.v. ven·er·at·ed, ven·er·at·ing, ven·er·ates To regard with respect, reverence, or heartfelt deference. See Synonyms at 1.
[Latin , to venerate, from venus, vener-, love, desire. See wen-1 in Indo-European Roots.]n.


so in other words to love or respect which you would hold both for your mother

2. intervene? no they dont, not they way that is used
they believe Mary is like anyone else in that aspect
-which is that she can pray for you
-so if you have your mom pray for you to get better when your sick or anything like that then its the exact same thing so if you want to call praying to God a "special power" then i guess your right but we ALL have that power
--- i wish i knew where all these misudnerstandings start at

3.
--1. thats a different subject
--2. if you noticed i said that EITHER WAY!!!!, she would need a savoir
--3. if you do want to talk about that then i need to know if you think that because you think that that would be impossible since "humans cant be sinless"

4.oh didnt know that he was talking to John just says disciples but ok any ways we are all family in christ so w/e

[ArchangelGabriel]

but John was his younger brother?????

[arunma]

may i read it?

Certainly. My pastor's ministry publishes it on their website. Here it is:

http://www.desiringgod.org/library/what_we_believe/catechism.html

[Iollain]

but John was his younger brother?????

Mary was John's aunt.

[ArchangelGabriel]

really thats cool to know

[JPPT1974]

It was Jewish tradition that the eldest son took care of his widowed mother, this included seeing to it that she was taken care of in the event of his death. Jesus was being a good son to His mother and an obedient Jew.

He sure was. Jesus was Jewish. He was a Jew on the earth. Since His death & resurrection and second coming, Christianity is here now.

[jochanaan]

My group, the Seventh Day Baptists, has a brief statement of belief, which you can read here: http://www.seventhdaybaptist.org/7DB/Covenant_People_EN.asp?SnID=608172117

This was hammered out by consensus at a series of nationwide conferences, and has been revised several times. It is not meant to define what we must believe to be a Seventh Day Baptist, but rather to reflect what Seventh Day Baptists generally believe. Other than that, there is no doctrine book or catechism except for the Bible.

Some say that that leaves far too much room for interpretation. I reply that the Holy Spirit and other believers guide us in such interpretation, and sometimes restrict us if need be. (Of course, this assumes that a majority of our people, especially delegates to our General Conferences, are Spirit-filled, Biblically knowledgeable, compassionate Christians. I can say from personal experience that this is indeed so among Seventh Day Baptists.)