Why should I belong to YOUR denomination?

[\o/]

Tell me in less than 100 words why should a Christian join the church denomination that you fellowship with, instead of another one.

[Mister]

If the Person prays about it diligently and feels led to join my denomination, then he/she should. When I get asked which religion/denomination am I, I just answer I don't have a religion I have a relationship. I'm baptist though :)

Mister

[lohankuo]

In mainstream denominations, the main theology on salvation is all the same. They only defer slightly in mode of baptism, meaning of baptism and the Lord's supper and the way they govern the church. Just visit different churches and find one that best suits you. The worship service of some of the churches are very lively, using contemporary music - drums, guitar and keyboards while others eg the high church of the Anglican denomination still uses pray books and sing old hymns with the organ. Most of all, you must pray about it and seek God's guidance!

[Chris†opher Paul]

You should join what you feel is true. In order to explore that, you should be open to honest answers and dialogue. Seek the truth with all of your heart, and you will find it.

[Brian45]

All christian denominations are christians , they just haven't realised it yet , their too busy pointing the finger at each other calling the other cultists , they fail to see the big picture or the forest for the trees .

If you want to know where the true christian denomination is , just ask any christian , and they will tell you it's the one where they go .           :D

[DaveKerwin]

don't join my denomination.

[coastie]

you could always be non-denominational.... whatever that means? :)

I grew up first going to AOG churches then Lutheran (because I wanted to get in touch with my roots :D) and now I go to a non-denominational chruch only because I haven't found any biblical contradictions to their doctrine.

[\o/]

Should each of us have scriptural reasons for belonging to a specific denomination rather than all of the others?

Is one as good as another in the eyes of the Lord?

[coastie]

Answering your second question will answer your first.

Most denominations are equal in spirit. There are those more radical one's who's doctrine is contradictive of the Bible, but the others who beleive that you aren't saved if you aren't baptized or if you don't take communion you aren't going to heaven or are a little more fundamental or a little more liberal, as long as they are following the Bible word for word, how can they go wrong?

[SunnyLin]

i just thought i'd share my feelings on the subject.

i am an unaligned christian. as far as i believe, Jesus is not a religion. Denominations exist because different people choose to worship God in different fasions and stem for different places.

for example, the churhc of england came to be becuase king henry of england wanted to divorce his wife. when the pope wouldnt let him, he decided that england deserved their own church. why should english people pay an italian man to tell them what to do?

i dont know the differences between the denominations. i worship God the way it says to in the bible, i pray to God the way God makes me feel is right. i live my life as God tells me to. i dont see the need for denominations. so.. for the original question. why should you enter my denomination? i dont have one :)

[Blessed-one]

i suppose it may be like different people doing the things that they're best at, like Evangelical, preaching and reaching out to people; aye, but then that's what everyone should be doing, as Christians.

so why have denomination? coz we do things differently, and i think it does create a problem, take baptism for example, and you see how division comes among us, and i don't mean just division in the method of baptism, but the division in Christ's body. Also, differences in the foundations, like coastie's:

There are those more radical one's who's doctrine is contradictive of the Bible, but the others who beleive that you aren't saved if you aren't baptized or if you don't take communion you aren't going to heaven or are a little more fundamental or a little more liberal

would create huge problems! so am i saved or not? confusion arises and the Word of God's been twisted.

[coastie]

Blessed one,

I want to clarify something...

We do the absolute best we can when deciding on a denomination. My point was to say that as long as your doctrine is within biblical bounds... beyond that initial assessment, I don't know how else to decide which denomination is the most correct other than to ask God to show you.

[DaveKerwin]

HEAR THIS :

No denomination has it right. So regardless of where you join, or what you call yourself, it is imperfect and it is no better than any other denomination. I will say that some are better than others in terms of biblical truth, but that's all I will say. Let each man decide for himself, and be accountable to God.

[seebs]

Y'know, it's odd, but this thread has been going on for a while, and no one has said "we throw the best parties". I wanna join the denomination with the best parties! :)

[eldermike]

We are given a "set" of gifts and saved for a purpose. Find your place of ministry. If you think about it, God is the one that saved us for his purpose, which makes finding a denomination and a location simply finding His will in the matter. I know I said "simply", let's see if I am right: What are your gifts? Where are they needed?. It's all about being purpose dirrected and finding a purpose driven church that needs you.

[suzie]

We have had the blessing of being part of various denominations over the course of our journey in Christ. We came to each church as we felt called to do and left the same way. I cannot say I agree totally with any denomination's doctrines, we are interested in what each individual church believes and how it lives out its message of the Good News. I have met many wonderful Christians who have helped me along in my journey. We have served in many different ministries along the way. Some in leadership and some in the "background". I count myself fortunate that we have diverse Christian friends --some are "baby" Christians and some are pastors--each of them bring much richness to our lives. So we see our "church" as outside of the confines of walls and as one big family of believers. It has been a wonderful trip!

[eldermike]

Suzie,

Amen

[\o/]

Do ALL (or ANY of the) churches:

"obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus" (Rev 14:12)?

"obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus" (Rev 17:12)?



"...keeping the commandments of God is what matters" (1 Corinthians 7:19).

[Mister]

seebs, amen

Mister

[The Bible is Right]

Originally posted by \o/
Tell me in less than 100 words why should a Christian join the church denomination that you fellowship with, instead of another one.

This is the best question ever asked on this forum.  First of all no one should ever JOIN a denomination, because it is wrong in God's sight, (1Cor 1:10-31).

Second: The Lord is the one who ADDS a christian to the church (Acts 2:47).

Third: Everyone who answered your thread gave no scriptures to support their view.

Forth: Does the bible give us the answer for the right church to be a member of? Yes.  (Acts 20:28) Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the FLOCK, over the which the Holy Spirit hath made you overseers, (Elders, Pastors,Bishops), to feed the church of God,(Christ) which he hath purchased with his own blood.  (Romans 16:16) Salute one another with an holy kiss.  The churches of Christ salute you.  This means in Rome, Ephesus, Corinth, Philppi, etc... where ever they are, or where ever they met.

If you read about when the church first started(Acts 2:1-47) they were in Jerusalem, then came the persecution, in which Saul was one of the leaders (Acts 8:1-40) the church spread over the known world at that time, (Col 1:23)  This same church exist today and call bible things by bible names, and hold true the the doctrine of Chirst (1John 1:9-10). 

As you read all of the threads of those who answered your second question look to see if they give the glory to man made churches or to the blood bought church that started in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost.

[The Bible is Right]

Originally posted by \o/
Should each of us have scriptural reasons for belonging to a specific denomination rather than all of the others?

Is one as good as another in the eyes of the Lord?

1.Yes, we should have a bible answer for everything, and all that we do in the name of the Lord.  (Rom.14:23b).  What soever is not of faith is sin.  Col 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

2. No, Study church history and you will see.  Then go the bible in Matt. 16:13-19 Jesus promised to build his church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.  That's why it's still here today, and I know there's one where you live.  Romans 16:16 Look them up in your yellow pages.

[\o/]

"Churches of Christ" are considered cultic by many Christians. Are you of the "no instrumental music" crowd? Of the "must have the 'Lord's supper' on the 'Lord's Day'" crowd? You may not call the "Churches of Christ" a denomination, but it most certainly has a set of doctrines and practices that differ from other Christian bodies. Do not the "Churches of Christ" consider all others as not Christian?

[Warrior4Jah]

*shrugs* Less than 100 words... does it matter? Hey, we're all runnin the same race right?

[ZiSunka]

Tell me in less than 100 words why should a Christian join the church denomination that you fellowship with, instead of another one.

You shouldn't. You shouldn't join any denomination, you should make yourself a follower of Jesus Christ, then attend the church of your choice, no matter what denomination it is.

[Caedmon]

Originally posted by lambslove
You shouldn't. You shouldn't join any denomination, you should make yourself a follower of Jesus Christ, then attend the church of your choice, no matter what denomination it is.

But what if that denomination's beliefs contradict your own personal convictions? Is it possible to join a church whose denomination doesn't contradict any of one specific individual's beliefs? If so, then which denomination would that be, and what are the criteria that were used for determining that?

[ZiSunka]

But what if that denomination's beliefs contradict your own personal convictions? Is it possible to join a church whose denomination doesn't contradict any of one specific individual's beliefs? If so, then which denomination would that be, and what are the criteria that were used for determining that?

Why would you choose a church that contradicts what you know is right?? :scratch:

[ZiSunka]

Not all churches are denominational, either, you know.

[DaveKerwin]

go to a church where people love and follow God, forget denominational stuff. there is nothing more to talk about.

[Caedmon]

Originally posted by lambslove
Why would you choose a church that contradicts what you know is right?? :scratch:

That's just it... how do you find a church that matches absolutely with your personal beliefs, without starting your own?

[Caedmon]

Originally posted by lambslove
Not all churches are denominational, either, you know.

Then perhaps your definition of denominational is different from mine.

[SpiritPsalmist]

Originally posted by humblejoe
That's just it... how do you find a church that matches absolutely with your personal beliefs, without starting your own?

Well . . . I think we ought to ask God where He wants us to go and then go.

Going to a church just because it fits all our "personal criteria" means going to a church which will not teach us anything but what we already believe.  I want to go to a church that challenges me to think.  That causes me to search the scriptures.

I currently attend a non-denominational church.  I attend there because I was referred there by denomiational pastors and when I visited the Lord made it clear that was where He wanted me. 

I grew up in a denomination and I prefer the non-denominational.  There seems to be less religious politicing.  Yes, their sorta their own denomination but the politics are different.  They seem to be more dependant on how the Lord leads instead of what the people want. :)

I don't agree with everything and it's not important that I agree with everything.  My opinion on many things have changed along the way and I can't imagine still being in the place spiritually I was 10 years ago.  I've changed and grown in the Lord so much and it was due to the Lord directing me to a church that would sometimes offend me.  ;)   Not for harm but for change.  :D

[Pastor N.B.]

Originally posted by \o/
"Churches of Christ" are considered cultic by many Christians. Are you of the "no instrumental music" crowd? Of the "must have the 'Lord's supper' on the 'Lord's Day'" crowd? You may not call the "Churches of Christ" a denomination, but it most certainly has a set of doctrines and practices that differ from other Christian bodies. Do not the "Churches of Christ" consider all others as not Christian?
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Forum:
I am not speaking for the 'churches of Christ', But PLEASE notice the difference between the Words (Christ) Word, of 'FOLD' and a person in the singular use of Rev. 18:4.

His Word says to [come out of her, MY PEOPLE, that YE BE NOT PARTAKERS OF HER SINS].." Now I ask you about this FOLD? (denomination) The Word continues on.. ".. that YE RECEIVE NOT OF HER PLAGUES". This is a fatal DECISION if left unheeded!

Now the question asked was: "Do not the 'Churches' of Christ consider all others as not Christians?"
Does this statement mean, does not the Word of God tell us that there is only one Christian TRUE VIRGIN FOLD & all other FOLDS are wrong, yet, GOD HAS HIS SAINTS IN THEM?? Or is it to be construed to mean the way it sounds, that all other [folds & there members are lost??] Truely there IS A BIG DIFFERENCE!

Try this verse from the Master Himself:
"And other sheep [I HAVE], which are not [OF THIS FOLD]: them also [I MUST BRING], and [THEY WILL HEAR MY VOICE; AND THERE SHALL BE *ONE FOLD, AND ONE SHEPARD]". John 10:16 (See Rom. 8:14! and it will be fatal to not heed the warning of Rev. 18:4!)

And in closing :idea: Perhaps one might wonder if the Master has a last day message for us? Notice His last book, chapter 17 verse 5, He speaks using His Words of inspiration rather clearly perhaps? "THE [MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH]". She has daughters! Ask yourself what is going on in these professed Christian church denominations, these days? (if you don't know, let me know & I will document some from the daily news)

Now friend. There is a big, Big, BIG, difference in an Whore or Daughter denomination with false doctrines, and that still has in/mature [CHRISTIAN] believers inside them! Even in their ministry perhaps? Try Heb. 5:11-14.---P/N/B/

[Pastor N.B.]

Originally posted by humblejoe
But what if that denomination's beliefs contradict your own personal convictions? Is it possible to join a church whose denomination doesn't contradict any of one specific individual's beliefs? If so, then which denomination would that be, and what are the criteria that were used for determining that?
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Doctrines save no one! Yet any one saved & in LOVE with their Master will Keep His doctrines! In Christ's day His doctrines went with His new FOLD.

Here is an inlightening site for the sincere 'saint':

http://biblelight.net/temple.htm
P/N/B/

[Blackhawk]

Originally posted by Pastor N.B.
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Doctrines save no one! Yet any one saved & in LOVE with their Master will Keep His doctrines! In Christ's day His doctrines went with His new FOLD.
P/N/B/

Huh? Isn't "being saved" a doctrine itself? 

[Pastor N.B.]

Originally posted by Blackhawk
Huh? Isn't "being saved" a doctrine itself? 
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If so, what is the [Everlasting Gospel] and the [Everlasting Covenant] doctrine [part] of ''being saved''?
In other words: "Being Saved" without these ETERNAL Truths are NO Gospel at all! It is CONDITIONAL/LESS. And remember these Everlasting Words, long, Long, LONG before the creation of Adam & Eve! :bow:

This is why the site was posted in my earlier missive. The TRUTH is found in the GodHeads Heavenly Sanctuary :clap:

And Doctrine? "[ALL SCRIPTURE] is given by the inspiration of God, and is [profitable for DOCTRINE], for [REPROOF], for [CORRECTION] for [INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTOUSNESS]. That the man of God may be perfect..."
2 Tim. 3:16-17 in part.---P/N/B/

[EJO]

Originally posted by Pastor N.B.
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Forum:
I am not speaking for the 'churches of Christ', But PLEASE notice the difference between the Words (Christ) Word, of 'FOLD' and a person in the singular use of Rev. 18:4.

His Word says to [come out of her, MY PEOPLE, that YE BE NOT PARTAKERS OF HER SINS].." Now I ask you about this FOLD? (denomination) The Word continues on.. ".. that YE RECEIVE NOT OF HER PLAGUES". This is a fatal DECISION if left unheeded!

Now the question asked was: "Do not the 'Churches' of Christ consider all others as not Christians?"
Does this statement mean, does not the Word of God tell us that there is only one Christian TRUE VIRGIN FOLD & all other FOLDS are wrong, yet, GOD HAS HIS SAINTS IN THEM?? Or is it to be construed to mean the way it sounds, that all other [folds & there members are lost??] Truely there IS A BIG DIFFERENCE!

Try this verse from the Master Himself:
"And other sheep [I HAVE], which are not [OF THIS FOLD]: them also [I MUST BRING], and [THEY WILL HEAR MY VOICE; AND THERE SHALL BE *ONE FOLD, AND ONE SHEPARD]". John 10:16 (See Rom. 8:14! and it will be fatal to not heed the warning of Rev. 18:4!)

And in closing :idea: Perhaps one might wonder if the Master has a last day message for us? Notice His last book, chapter 17 verse 5, He speaks using His Words of inspiration rather clearly perhaps? "THE [MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH]". She has daughters! Ask yourself what is going on in these professed Christian church denominations, these days? (if you don't know, let me know & I will document some from the daily news)

Now friend. There is a big, Big, BIG, difference in an Whore or Daughter denomination with false doctrines, and that still has in/mature [CHRISTIAN] believers inside them! Even in their ministry perhaps? Try Heb. 5:11-14.---P/N/B/

Every time I read a post of yours' PastorNB, you are always speaking of the "fold"- like a broken record...
I looked up the scripture(s) you keep bringing up-

John 10:16(I'll start in vs. 14-16) I am the good shepherd, and know my [sheep], and am known of mine.
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.
The fold that Christ is refering to (in vs16) is Israel, and that the Gentiles are the "other sheep" and He is saying in the context, I am going to bring in the gentiles into the same family, and benefits of God as Israel. (see Ephesians chapter 2)

Romans 8:14 (again I'll start in 13) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

This verse just backs up they other claims that people here have spoken of before, Those who look to Jesus, and try to understand Him with thier spirit are of one family. But if they try to do that with the flesh, than that is all it is- not of God.
Then you keep bringing up Rev 18:4 : And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Since I do not know enough of Revelation, I will use a trusted commentary notes:

The warning is focused towards saints who are in the position Lot was in while living in Sodom (Genesis 19); these are God's people in a place they shouldn't be, a place ripe for destruction

c. The call to depart from Babylon and the worldliness that it represents is a theme repeated frequently in the Scriptures


i. Depart! Depart! Go out from there, touch no unclean thing; go out from her, be clean, you who bear the vessels of the Lord. (Isaiah 52:11)
ii. Flee from the midst of Babylon, and everyone save his life! (Jeremiah 50:8)

iii. My people, go out of the midst of her! And let everyone deliver himself from the fierce anger of the Lord (Jeremiah 51:45)

iv. Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? (2 Corinthians 6:14)

v. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. (Ephesians 5:11)

I see no mention of a "fold" or a "denomination" that you keep trying to put into this verse. The author is refering to the "body" of Christ, same as those refered to in Romans 8:14.

What is the "Virgin Fold" that you keep mentioning? Is your "virgin fold"- or what I understand you to mean, a "pure denomination"?
Are denominations (you keep calling them "folds"), or churches that we all attend corrupt in your eyes?

Please enlighten us.

In the Bible I read I only know of the Gentiles and Israel.

Peace, EJO

[Blackhawk]

Originally posted by Pastor N.B.
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If so, what is the [Everlasting Gospel] and the [Everlasting Covenant] doctrine [part] of ''being saved''?
In other words: "Being Saved" without these ETERNAL Truths are NO Gospel at all! It is CONDITIONAL/LESS. And remember these Everlasting Words, long, Long, LONG before the creation of Adam & Eve! :bow:

This is why the site was posted in my earlier missive. The TRUTH is found in the GodHeads Heavenly Sanctuary :clap:

And Doctrine? "[ALL SCRIPTURE] is given by the inspiration of God, and is [profitable for DOCTRINE], for [REPROOF], for [CORRECTION] for [INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTOUSNESS]. That the man of God may be perfect..."
2 Tim. 3:16-17 in part.---P/N/B/

I am sorry but I do not understand what you are trying to say here.  Can you explain it again?

[Pastor N.B.]

Originally posted by EJO
Every time I read a post of yours' PastorNB, you are always speaking of the "fold"- like a broken record...
I looked up the scripture(s) you keep bringing up-
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P/N/B/ here: The broken record are Christ's emphasis, "Fold" (denomination, other folds) ONE "FAITH" of Eph. 4:5.
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John 10:16(I'll start in vs. 14-16) I am the good shepherd, and know my [sheep], and am known of mine.
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16 And other sheep I have,

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P/N/B/ here: What does this say? read it slowly! Let me put brackets '[ ]' around some of its words?
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which are not of [this fold:] them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there [shall be one fold], and one shepherd.
The fold that Christ is refering to (in vs16) is Israel, and that the Gentiles are the "other sheep"

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P/N/B/ here: Not so! from 27-34 AD Israel had their judgement. Christ told a TRUTH when He stated that your "house" (Fold, denomination) is left unto you DESOLATE in Matt. 23:38. That is when the new FOLD was brought into existence. Try its responsibility as recorded in Matt. 16:19 & Matt. 18:15-18. (THAT WAS NOT ISRAEL OF OLD!)
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and He is saying in the context, I am going to bring in the gentiles into the same family, and benefits of God as Israel. (see Ephesians chapter 2)

Romans 8:14 (again I'll start in 13) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

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P/N/B here: If one were truely led of God in your below remarks, from MILK to MEAT (mature) we would see ALL CHRISTIANS in the ONE {FAITH of Eph. 4:5} Yet, to say to look to Jesus is enough, is not GOSPEL. Looking will not bring UNITY! Being [LED] is the substance. And seeing that you do not know enough about Rev. 17:5 & Rev. 18:4 to see that there will be a fatal mistake that is possible for REAL CHRISTIANS, is one that you need study on. Read Matt. 4:4! Try Acts 5:32 & verse*29's last part!
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14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

This verse just backs up they other claims that people here have spoken of before, Those who look to Jesus, and try to understand Him with thier spirit are of one family. But if they try to do that with the flesh, than that is all it is- not of God.

Then you keep bringing up Rev 18:4 : And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Since I do not know enough of Revelation, I will use a trusted commentary notes:
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P/N/B/ here:
ALL denominations have [trusted commentaries] :cry: . Take your pick :scratch: ? Read Rev. 3:16-17? Can you understand this statement from the Word Himself?? The below Commentary should tell you that Babylon is a CHURCH DENOMINATION WITH DAUGHTERS! STUDY REV. 17 & 18 both.
You need only the ONE TRUE COMMENTARY, & then read 2 TIM. 3:16 for your start. Mans wisdom is FOOLISHNESS WITH GOD!
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[I]The warning is focused towards saints who are in the position Lot was in while living in Sodom (Genesis 19); these are God's people in a place they shouldn't be, a place ripe for destruction

c. The call to depart from Babylon and the worldliness that it represents is a theme repeated frequently in the Scriptures


i. Depart! Depart! Go out from there, touch no unclean thing; go out from her, be clean, you who bear the vessels of the Lord. (Isaiah 52:11)
ii. Flee from the midst of Babylon, and everyone save his life! (Jeremiah 50:8)

iii. My people, go out of the midst of her! And let everyone deliver himself from the fierce anger of the Lord (Jeremiah 51:45)

iv. Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? (2 Corinthians 6:14)

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P/N/B/ here: even in the above you can find no place in any denomination that has [open filth] in its membership that is permitted! For it is not the non/christian who God holds the most responsibility, it is the PROFESSED ones! See Luke 12:47-48. And WHERE IS CHRIST IN THESE? Try Josh. 7:12's last part!
And by the way, why is this Babylonian thing in the ENDING OF THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD & IN THE NEW TESTAMENT SETTING? Notice: "These ... No, that is enough for now! Thanks for your seemingly sincerity. ---end of P/N/B/ remarks
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v. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. (Ephesians 5:11)

I see no mention of a "fold" or a "denomination" that you keep trying to put into this verse. The author is refering to the "body" of Christ, same as those refered to in Romans 8:14.

What is the "Virgin Fold" that you keep mentioning? Is your "virgin fold"- or what I understand you to mean, a "pure denomination"?
Are denominations (you keep calling them "folds"), or churches that we all attend corrupt in your eyes?

Please enlighten us.

In the Bible I read I only know of the Gentiles and Israel.

Peace, EJO

[Pastor N.B.]

Originally posted by Blackhawk
I am sorry but I do not understand what you are trying to say here.  Can you explain it again?
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Hi,
Bottom line :) .
You tell me what you think the Gospel is? And the Word tells us that it is EVERLASTING! (or we are WRONG, OK??) In other Words, it has ALWAYS BEEN! Before sin in heaven, it was a plan for when it was needed to be brought forth, it was!

Now, not only is it EVERLASTING, but it is EVERLASTINGLY CONNECTED WITH THE EVERLASTING COVENANT CONDITIONS! Read Acts 5:32.

The Gospel has always had CONDITIONS. They TOGETHER MAKE UP THE [GOSPEL] THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE to be SEPERATED, or to ever of had a STARTING POINT! :clap: :bow:

Did you run the site that I posted up? ---P/N/B/
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[Caedmon]

Pastor N.B., I've been reading your posts for a long time now, and I have to say... I no more understand them now than when I first read them. :D

But really, could you be more specific? I don't understand what you're getting at. Are you saying that the Seventh Day Adventist Church is the only group of people that will get into Heaven? Are you saying that people of other groups will only get to Heaven by chance? Are you saying that the "Virgin fold" is only the Seventh Day Adventist Church? :confused:

[Pastor N.B.]

Originally posted by humblejoe
Pastor N.B., I've been reading your posts for a long time now, and I have to say... I no more understand them now than when I first read them. :D

But really, could you be more specific? I don't understand what you're getting at. Are you saying that the Seventh Day Adventist Church is the only group of people that will get into Heaven?
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P/N/B/ here: Adventism has Virgin doctrines. And so did Israel of old have the VIRGIN FOLD DOCTRINES. These DOCTRINES SAVE [NO ONE]. Only Having Christ will do that! NOW: If [one] HAS CHRIST AS THEIR MASTER, THEY WILL FOLLOW THE MASTER INTO THE DOCTRINES OF HIS TRUE VIRGIN FOLD! OK? (perhaps the reason for the confussion is that of the true vrs. false denominations? Both have some babes inside them which are still on the milk of Heb. 5, yet, *THEY are converted today only, but what will they do when they advance into maturity is ths question? The choice of Heb. 6 is theirs to make)

Now for the OTHER FOLDS of John 10:16? (denominations) All denominations that have [known error & OPEN sinners in them], DO NOT HAVE THE MASTER INSIDE THEM. (if one belives the Master to begin with? Read Joshua 7:12's last part of the verse!) We either believe God or we do not! Does anyone today not SEE IN PRINT & ON NATIONAL TV OF OPEN FILTH INSIDE DENOMINATIONS :scratch: Rev. 18:4 states that you are a [partaker]. FACT! OK?

AGAIN: Inside these un/scriptual denominations are CHRISTS TRUE CONVERTED PEOPLE. Re/read Rev. 18:4 for what the Master is [saying HIMSELF]. (not me)
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Are you saying that people of other groups will only get to Heaven by chance? Are you saying that the "Virgin fold" is only the Seventh Day Adventist Church? :confused:

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The [WORD SAYS], not me! that the final test will find all of the saved ones UNITED into ONE TRUE FOLD BEFORE HE COMES FOR HIS CHOSSEN. And just before Christ does this work, 1 Peter 4:17 tells us that JUDGEMENT BEGINES WITH THE VIRGIN HOUSE OF GOD [FIRST]! And from this you will find the [FALLING AWAY FIRST] in 2 Thess. 2:1-3. Exactly the same as Israel of old we are told in Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15---hope that this helps? P/N/B/

PS: By the way, the [Virgin Doctrines] live on, yet both of these denominations have the same fate as seen in Matt. 23:38. Christ stated a Gospel fact.. "BEHOLD YOUR HOUSE (denomination) [IS LEFT UNTO YOU DESOLATE]." (desolate of whom? Read Rev. 3:9 for who was now their new master?) Matt. 25 is the 'midnight cry' for both groups and that was 39 years before the Loud Cry of 70AD slaughter of Exe. 9.

[Caedmon]

Originally posted by Pastor N.B.
Now for the OTHER FOLDS of John 10:16? (denominations) All denominations that have [known error & OPEN sinners in them], DO NOT HAVE THE MASTER INSIDE THEM. (if one belives the Master to begin with? Read Joshua 7:12's last part of the verse!) We either believe God or we do not! Does anyone today not SEE IN PRINT & ON NATIONAL TV OF OPEN FILTH INSIDE DENOMINATIONS :scratch: Rev. 18:4 states that you are a [partaker]. FACT! OK?

How do I know what "known error" is? Which denominations/groups(including SDA) do not have one or two "OPEN sinners in them"? And how am I a "partaker" of "FILTH INSIDE DENOMINATIONS", when I have not sinned in the manner/degree of those that do?

[Pastor N.B.]

Originally posted by humblejoe
How do I know what "known error" is? Which denominations/groups(including SDA) do not have one or two "OPEN sinners in them"? And how am I a "partaker" of "FILTH INSIDE DENOMINATIONS", when I have not sinned in the manner/degree of those that do?
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P/N/B/ here:
Anything not truth is error. True Doctrine comes about by ALL Scripture. (66 bks.) 2 Tim. 3:16 [Open known] (not motives-mind reading)) sin is to be dealth with according to Matt. 16:19 & chapter 18:15-18. NOTICE where it is bound, or loosed?
(you asked about stoning? That was in Gods theocracy. The above verses show that this adding members or deleating members is a removal from the Lambs book of life unless later claim is made, otherwise eternal death is the outcome)

And are we guilty you ask? Pay tithe to support this OPEN stuff! The Minister is sent by the denomination in most cases, and the building is owned by who? And we are in THE YOKED MEMBERSHIP to boot! Rev. 18:4 tells us WE ARE PARTAKERS! Worse still for me Joe, is How could I LOVE MY MASTER AND SEND HIS NEW BORN BABES INTO THIS CELL-POOL OF FILTH?

The Master Himself tells us who the guilty ones are: See Luke 12:47-48 & Eze. 33:6 :cry: "His watchman [are blind]: they are all [ignorant], they are [all dumb dogs, they CANNOT bark] ..." Isa. 56:10 are the Words of Inspiration Joe.

And what if the denomination will not do its responsibility? Or can a denomination (Adventism) be Virgin in doctrine only & still be found with her candelstick removed? Yes. Read Rev. 2:5. But, God told us more still, that of REPEATED HISTORY, TWICE. (the verses are on futher down) Virgin Israel of old & Virgin Adventism of today. (IN DOCTRINE ONLY). At His first coming & at His second coming! Read Rev. 3:16-17's rejection of being 'Spewed Out'--SICKENING LOVE! Again 1 Peter 4:17 & Lev. 16:14 of 'seven times'. STUDY Eze. 9 :idea:

(Joe, I suggest that you might print this for near furture understanding?)

Notice this commandment from Christ in Matt. 23:2 "[ALL] therefore, whatsoever they bid you observe, [that observe and do]; BUT DO NOT AFTER THEIR [WORKS: FOR THEY SAY AND DO NOT.]" (No problem with doctrine here)

Both histories have Christ coming Joe, the [first time & at the end of time]. (O.T. & N.T. ending) Israel of old the first time with a new Remnant from with/in making up His true Virgin Fold [*OUTSIDE]. Yet it was made up of the nucleus from HIS OWN, at the start! See Matt. 10:5-6. And then the repeat of Virgin Israel of Adventism (see Rom. 2:28-29) just before the Mark of the Beast. (see 2 Thess.2:1-3. That is why you have 1 Peter 4:17 in plain sight. This is where you are at in time. (history repeated-see Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15)
Matt. 25's Virgins by name, are for both histories just prior to the closing of their probation as a denomination. The CALL in this [Midnight Cry] is seen in verse 6 ibide.
"And at midnight, there was a cry made, behold the Bridegroom commeth, GO YE OUT TO MEET HIM." Where was He at when Israel of olds 'probation' ended? Who took over? try Rev. 3:9 & again Matt. 23's whole chapter from 5 on, but verse 38 PROFOUNDLY!

Hope this helps! Did you go to the site that I posted up?? This study will ground any sincere believer more than any other I believe! God says that "His way is in the Sanctuary'' Psalms 77:13--------P/N/B/

PS: And the other FALSE FOLDS? These will be tested to see if there is any real saving faith in them, by the Mark of the Beast. (Only the in/mature that is)

[Lynn]

Originally posted by Pastor N.B.
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P/N/B/ here:
Anything not truth is error. True Doctrine comes about by ALL Scripture. (66 bks.) 2 Tim. 3:16 [Open known] (not motives-mind reading)) sin is to be dealth with according to Matt. 16:19 & chapter 18:15-18. NOTICE where it is bound, or loosed?
(you asked about stoning? That was in Gods theocracy. The above verses show that this adding members or deleating members is a removal from the Lambs book of life unless later claim is made, otherwise eternal death is the outcome)

And are we guilty you ask? Pay tithe to support this OPEN stuff! The Minister is sent by the denomination in most cases, and the building is owned by who? And we are in THE YOKED MEMBERSHIP to boot! Rev. 18:4 tells us WE ARE PARTAKERS! Worse still for me Joe, is How could I LOVE MY MASTER AND SEND HIS NEW BORN BABES INTO THIS CELL-POOL OF FILTH?

The Master Himself tells us who the guilty ones are: See Luke 12:47-48 & Eze. 33:6 :cry: "His watchman [are blind]: they are all [ignorant], they are [all dumb dogs, they CANNOT bark] ..." Isa. 56:10 are the Words of Inspiration Joe.

And what if the denomination will not do its responsibility? Or can a denomination (Adventism) be Virgin in doctrine only & still be found with her candelstick removed? Yes. Read Rev. 2:5. But, God told us more still, that of REPEATED HISTORY, TWICE. (the verses are on futher down) Virgin Israel of old & Virgin Adventism of today. (IN DOCTRINE ONLY). At His first coming & at His second coming! Read Rev. 3:16-17's rejection of being 'Spewed Out'--SICKENING LOVE! Again 1 Peter 4:17 & Lev. 16:14 of 'seven times'. STUDY Eze. 9 :idea:

(Joe, I suggest that you might print this for near furture understanding?)

Notice this commandment from Christ in Matt. 23:2 "[ALL] therefore, whatsoever they bid you observe, [that observe and do]; BUT DO NOT AFTER THEIR [WORKS: FOR THEY SAY AND DO NOT.]" (No problem with doctrine here)

Both histories have Christ coming Joe, the [first time & at the end of time]. (O.T. & N.T. ending) Israel of old the first time with a new Remnant from with/in making up His true Virgin Fold [*OUTSIDE]. Yet it was made up of the nucleus from HIS OWN, at the start! See Matt. 10:5-6. And then the repeat of Virgin Israel of Adventism (see Rom. 2:28-29) just before the Mark of the Beast. (see 2 Thess.2:1-3. That is why you have 1 Peter 4:17 in plain sight. This is where you are at in time. (history repeated-see Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15)
Matt. 25's Virgins by name, are for both histories just prior to the closing of their probation as a denomination. The CALL in this [Midnight Cry] is seen in verse 6 ibide.
"And at midnight, there was a cry made, behold the Bridegroom commeth, GO YE OUT TO MEET HIM." Where was He at when Israel of olds 'probation' ended? Who took over? try Rev. 3:9 & again Matt. 23's whole chapter from 5 on, but verse 38 PROFOUNDLY!

Hope this helps! Did you go to the site that I posted up?? This study will ground any sincere believer more than any other I believe! God says that "His way is in the Sanctuary'' Psalms 77:13--------P/N/B/

PS: And the other FALSE FOLDS? These will be tested to see if there is any real saving faith in them, by the Mark of the Beast. (Only the in/mature that is)

Am I really the only one who has trouble understanding what you're trying to say?
And BTW, the web site you posted is full of nonsense.

lynn

[Pastor N.B.]

Hi,
Lynn I realize it is not according to your Catholic teaching. But just what is it about the Word of God in Psalms 77:13 that is [full of nonsense]? The way of the Lord is in His Sanctuary is clearly stated! Could it be that, it is the teaching that there is no other name under heaven given to man where/by one [must be saved]? Or that, that Christ is our [ONLY HIGH PRIEST]? ---In the Master's quickly finished for the House of God 'first'! see 1 Peter 4:17-------P/N/B/

[Lynn]

Originally posted by Pastor N.B.
Hi,
Lynn I realize it is not according to your Catholic teaching. But just what is it about the Word of God in Psalms 77:13 that is [full of nonsense]? The way of the Lord is in His Sanctuary is clearly stated! Could it be that, it is the teaching that there is no other name under heaven given to man where/by one [must be saved]? Or that, that Christ is our [ONLY HIGH PRIEST]? ---In the Master's quickly finished for the House of God 'first'! see 1 Peter 4:17-------P/N/B/ :scratch:

The Bible is NOT full of nonsense and I never said it was. Your posted web link, however, (The Bible Light HOmepage) is nonsense, inflammatory, and hateful.

lynn

[Pastor N.B.]

Originally posted by Lynn
:scratch:

The Bible is NOT full of nonsense and I never said it was. Your posted web link, however, (The Bible Light HOmepage) is nonsense, inflammatory, and hateful.

lynn
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Hi Lynn,
Well then, If what [you] are saying about this sit then, is [not hateful, AND INFLAMMATORY] nothing is!

And next to that, it sounds like [you] are BACKBITING? see Gen. 49:17. If not, one it seems who is a Christian, would 'duplicate' the serious charge that you are talking about? Scripture is my ONLY acceptence also you see!---P/N/B/

[Lynn]

Originally posted by Pastor N.B.
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Hi Lynn,
Well then, If what [you] are saying about this sit then, is [not hateful, AND INFLAMMATORY] nothing is!

And next to that, it sounds like [you] are BACKBITING? see Gen. 49:17. If not, one it seems who is a Christian, would 'duplicate' the serious charge that you are talking about? Scripture is my ONLY acceptence also you see!---P/N/B/

:scratch: backbiting????? :scratch:

your web site is.....................oh forget it.

[Nilhil Obstat]

Lynn -

Our friend, Pastor N.B. has a real issue with Catholics and the Catholic Church and we need to just pray for him.

[Pastor N.B.]

Originally posted by Nilhil Obstat
Lynn -

Our friend, Pastor N.B. has a real issue with Catholics and the Catholic Church and we need to just pray for him.
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Hi,
there we go again, & with mans 'words only! I have good friends that are Catholic. The TEACHINGS (doctrines) are something else.
If we discuss the Bible which is not very often because it is neither read or understood by most Catholics [that I know]. We see the same kind of 'chit chat' as here on the forum. Go read it :cry: :confused:

How can one convert over to Catholism with a lot of gossip such as, that (I for one) have a real issue with Catholics???? I have said that there are manny [HONEST] people inside of her that do not know any better! Heb. 5 is not even a good starting point, that of milk fed. And try Rev. 18:4,
or does that not mean you? All that we (I) hear is that I am perhaps mean or FLAMATORY. Never is there a verse of Scripture for REAL WEIGHT OF EVIDENCE.

Notice a Word for me from the Word of God in Eze. 33:6: (Ezekiel)
"But if the the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and [the people] (ANY PEOPLE) be not warned; if the sword come, and take [any person] from among them, he is [taken away in his iniquity];
but [his blood will I REQUIRE AT THE WATCHMAN'S HAND.]"

To be lost is a LONG TIME GONE! Think about that? Read it in Obadiah 16's last part in your Douay version! Now, would one not want to know this? :scratch:

Now ask yourself which of the two class of watchman ARE FLAMING OR ARE HATEFUL??

Over on another post a minister suggests that the angels who fell from heaven have human young'ins on earth? One poster posted against this 'stuff', and it looks as if he is on the bottom of the pile! Who the ONE is WHO LOVES THEIR MASTER is not hard for me at least, to see. The one who follows Christ's Words in Matt. 4:4! And yes, neither one is Catholic!---P/N/B/

[Nilhil Obstat]

Originally posted by Pastor N.B.
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Hi,
there we go again, & with mans 'words only! I have good friends that are Catholic. The TEACHINGS (doctrines) are something else.

They are something else - God's word, God's truth.

 
If we discuss the Bible which is not very often because it is neither read or understood by most Catholics [that I know].

But NOWHERE in the bible does it say to live by the bible alone! That was man's work - Martin Luther. You are following mans tradition and man's word when you interpret the bible for yourself.

And shame on you for twisting God's holy word in order to raise yourself above your fellow Christian. Who appointed you judge and jury of other faiths. Judge lest ye be judged by the measure inwhich you judge others.

We see the same kind of 'chit chat' as here on the forum. Go read it :cry: :confused:

Babble, bable

How can one convert over to Catholism with a lot of gossip such as, that (I for one) have a real issue with Catholics???? I have said that there are manny [HONEST] people inside of her that do not know any better![quote]

Again with the personal judgement of people which you know not! Where do you get your authority?

Heb. 5 is not even a good starting point, that of milk fed. And try Rev. 18:4,
or does that not mean you? All that we (I) hear is that I am perhaps mean or FLAMATORY. Never is there a verse of Scripture for REAL WEIGHT OF EVIDENCE.

1 Tim 3:15. The church is the pillar and foundation of truth. Not just the bible - the church.

And yes, neither one is Catholic!---P/N/B/

Again....where do YOU get off?

[Nilhil Obstat]

:rolleyes:

Whatever.

[Extirpated Wildlife]

Do you really believe that every denomination is basically the same?  I guess I don't agree with the concept of "find the church that fits your personality/needs".  Someone could possibly end up at the Mormon church and think that church fits their needs.  Or the Jehovah Witness church and feel that fits their needs/personality.

The name of our church appears nondenominational, and the format does too.  Most people don't even know that our church is a Southern Baptist church.  And that's the way we want it. Giving Glocally is our church's theme, basically.  We've done the battle of the bands, we do a Life of Christ drive-through for Christmas (4-5 languages on Tape or CD for people to listen to while driving through), sports camps, Fall Festival on Halloween(Cowboy theme this year).  Our Church building is functional.  No Chandeleirs.  We do themes to grab the lost into our church.

One thing i personally like that i will start a thread on is they don't have invitation at the end of service, but they do have a place for people to go to who have questions afterwards.

Our church stresses giving.  Giving to your community.  Giving to the poor.  Giving to the needy.  Giving to the world.  Our church is in the process of building a hospital in Kandahar.

Nearly every week our pastor stresses or talks about the missions we have going on.

Its a different Baptist church than i am used to.

 

[Lynn]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Pastor N.B.
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Hi,

If we discuss the Bible which is not very often because it is neither read or understood by most Catholics [that I know]. We see the same kind of 'chit chat' as here on the forum. Go read it :cry: :confused:


I get sooo very tired of this. We read the BIble every single time Mass is celebrated. Many of us read the Bible daily, have Bible study classes, prayer groups, theology classes, etc, etc, etc. You may participate in "chit chat" when discussing your faith, we don't.

and BTW, can you possibly write a post without all of the brackets, parentheses, and capital letters? It would make it much easier to follow your train of thought. Perhaps I'm simply not understanding what you are really saying. I honestly don't like misunderstandings and discord. I would rather be able to discuss with you clearly. :)

lynn

[Pastor N.B.]

Lynn:
Share what you have learned [from scripture]. But be prepared to receive the same from others that may be different.---P/N/B/

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And for another poster?
My (old) new Catholic Version of the Holy Bible (Douay Version)
it states in Matthew 4:4 the Words of my Master:
"But He answered and said, "It is written, Not by bread alone does man live, [but by every Word that comes forth from the mouth of God]"

And I suspect that when.. "Holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost" this includes 2 Tim. 3:16-17?! The Catholic bible says it this way:
"[ALL SCRIPTURE] IS INSPIRED BY GOD AND USEFUL [FOR TEACHING], [FOR REPROVING], [FOR CORRECTING], [FOR INSTRUCTING IN JUSTICE]; that the man of God may be [perfect, equipted for every good work]." with highlights Lynn.