"An Eye for an Eye"

[flyingsum0]

What does and Eye for an Eye mean to you...personally...

[Wisdom's Child]

Equitable Justice under the Old Covenant.
Debiting no more or less than what was forfeited.
Of course all sins paid in full by Jesus,
therefore no reason for me to collect further.
Someone steals from me? Jesus covered that..., I forgive the debt.
Someone inflicts harm? Jesus covered that..., I forgive the debt.

That is how an "Eye for an Eye" becomes "Turn the other cheek".
Vengence is Mine saith the Lord, whosoever doeth this to the least of these, does it unto Me.

[Soldier_For_Christ]

Vengence

[linssue55]

What does and Eye for an Eye mean to you...personally...

Yes, I believe in it....it is the word of God.......

I Pet.2:13-14
Peter talks about how Christians are to submit to government authority--those who give praise to the obedient and pass judgment on the evildoers. So, in essense, God authroizes a government that punishes evil.

Acts 25:11
Paul seems to think here that there are crimes that are punishable by death, and he says that he will accept the death penalty if he did something to deserve it. He, of course, knows that he did nothing to deserve death.

Rom.13:1-4
Paul says that every person ought to be subject to the government. He goes on to say rather clearly that: 1)God gives authority to the gov't; 2) opposing gov't is the same as opposing God; 3) The gov't is like a minister which God has placed over us; 4) the gov't has the right to bear the sword (death penalty) to avenge evil. After this, Paul then encourages obedience, submission, and love, rather than resistance, disobedience, and evil.

Num.35:30

Also, Num.35 makes the distinction between murder (punishable by death) and manslaughter (not punishable by death).

Matt 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth

[Soldier_For_Christ]

Actually, linssue55, I'm afraid I don't agree with your position on vengence.

When Paul says to submit to government authority who pass judgement on evildoers, he is saying that as authority, their job on Earth is to carry out God's will by use of law.

I cannot provide a good response to Acts 25:11 'cause that could be interpreted in many different ways.

God says that the Government has the right, but that means that it is the government's choice whether or not to use the death penalty to punish, and I certainly don't think it means God supports the use of the death penalty as a means of revenge.

Mathew 5:38 does say that "We have been taught 'An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, but in verse 39, it goes on to say, "But I tell you do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other to him also." And remember that these are Jesus's words.

As for the verse in numbers, once again, it refers to the fact that the present government allows the death penalty. If the government doesn't allow the death penalty, then there's no need to put a man to death.

SfC

[zoziw]

Equitable Justice under the Old Covenant.
Debiting no more or less than what was forfeited.
Of course all sins paid in full by Jesus,
therefore no reason for me to collect further.
Someone steals from me? Jesus covered that..., I forgive the debt.
Someone inflicts harm? Jesus covered that..., I forgive the debt.

That is how an "Eye for an Eye" becomes "Turn the other cheek".
Vengence is Mine saith the Lord, whosoever doeth this to the least of these, does it unto Me.

Agreed! :thumbsup:

[linssue55]

Actually, linssue55, I'm afraid I don't agree with your position on vengence.

When Paul says to submit to government authority who pass judgement on evildoers, he is saying that as authority, their job on Earth is to carry out God's will by use of law.

I cannot provide a good response to Acts 25:11 'cause that could be interpreted in many different ways.

God says that the Government has the right, but that means that it is the government's choice whether or not to use the death penalty to punish, and I certainly don't think it means God supports the use of the death penalty as a means of revenge.

Mathew 5:38 does say that "We have been taught 'An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, but in verse 39, it goes on to say, "But I tell you do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other to him also." And remember that these are Jesus's words.

As for the verse in numbers, once again, it refers to the fact that the present government allows the death penalty. If the government doesn't allow the death penalty, then there's no need to put a man to death.

SfC
"An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth".......this is from God, and VERY easy to understand. You don't like the death penalty, so you are putting your personal views in place of the word.

I believe in capitol punishment, and THAT will never change. You have your belief, I have mine. ;)

[HistoryMaker]

I believe it means justice - an eye for an eye seems really quite fair.

Importantly, I also believe in mercy and grace, which aren't very apparent in Exodus 21, but are very clear to me in Matthew 5.

[GodsJewel]

Getting revenge.

[Soldier_For_Christ]

"An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth".......this is from God, and VERY easy to understand. You don't like the death penalty, so you are putting your personal views in place of the word.

I believe in capitol punishment, and THAT will never change. You have your belief, I have mine. ;)

Very well, I can live with that.

Have a good day! :thumbsup:

[Athanasian Creed]

Actually, linssue55, I'm afraid I don't agree with your position on vengence.

When Paul says to submit to government authority who pass judgement on evildoers, he is saying that as authority, their job on Earth is to carry out God's will by use of law.

I cannot provide a good response to Acts 25:11 'cause that could be interpreted in many different ways.

God says that the Government has the right, but that means that it is the government's choice whether or not to use the death penalty to punish, and I certainly don't think it means God supports the use of the death penalty as a means of revenge.

Mathew 5:38 does say that "We have been taught 'An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, but in verse 39, it goes on to say, "But I tell you do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other to him also." And remember that these are Jesus's words.

As for the verse in numbers, once again, it refers to the fact that the present government allows the death penalty. If the government doesn't allow the death penalty, then there's no need to put a man to death.

SfC


Actually, no where in Scripture does it say the government has the choice of whether to execute a murderer. According to God's Word, it is mandatory. The government, as God's agent on earth, MUST exercise it's God-given authority to bring to justice one who murders another. To act otherwise is in contravention of God's law. God said the only acceptable penalty for murder is for the murder to forfeit his/her life. The murderer has destroyed the image of God -

Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

Romans 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

See that, the role of the government is one of a "revenger to execute wrath" upon evildoers, more specifically, murderers.

Jesus' words in Matthew 5 are addressed specifically to His followers, they do NOT address the role of the government. He is saying such to His followers, what their response should be when reviled and oppressed, not what the response should be of the government ! ;)


Ray :wave:

[twistedsketch]

Actually, no where in Scripture does it say the government has the choice of whether to execute a murderer. According to God's Word, it is mandatory. The government, as God's agent on earth, MUST exercise it's God-given authority to bring to justice one who murders another. To act otherwise is in contravention of God's law. God said the only acceptable penalty for murder is for the murder to forfeit his/her life. The murderer has destroyed the image of God -

Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

Romans 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

See that, the role of the government is one of a "revenger to execute wrath" upon evildoers, more specifically, murderers.

Jesus' words in Matthew 5 are addressed specifically to His followers, they do NOT address the role of the government. He is saying such to His followers, what their response should be when reviled and oppressed, not what the response should be of the government ! ;)


Ray :wave:
What he said. "Eye for an Eye" was the standard for the government to use in administering justice. The Pharisees taught that the standard could be used on the personal level. This command was given only to magistrates, but the Pharisees taught that the people themselves could use it in administering vengeance. It is for God to avenge, through the governments He has appointed.

[Soldier_For_Christ]

Actually, no where in Scripture does it say the government has the choice of whether to execute a murderer. According to God's Word, it is mandatory. The government, as God's agent on earth, MUST exercise it's God-given authority to bring to justice one who murders another. To act otherwise is in contravention of God's law. God said the only acceptable penalty for murder is for the murder to forfeit his/her life. The murderer has destroyed the image of God -

Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

Romans 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

See that, the role of the government is one of a "revenger to execute wrath" upon evildoers, more specifically, murderers.

Jesus' words in Matthew 5 are addressed specifically to His followers, they do NOT address the role of the government. He is saying such to His followers, what their response should be when reviled and oppressed, not what the response should be of the government ! ;)



Ray :wave:

Perhaps...maybe it's just that I don't like killing and death and that kinda thing. Whatever, I just don't like debating what teh government should or shouldn't be doing for us, so I just apply Mathew 5 on a personal level: Don't take revenge on those who do you wrong.