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Vaneeza Malkah
11th October 2005, 02:02 AM
The Thirty Nine Melachos

There are Thirty Nine things that are forbidden to do on A Sabbath. These thirty-nine things which are forbidden to be done on Sabbath are called "melachos". A "melacha" is a creative act which was done to construct the sanctuary. The architecture and components of the sanctuary conceptually represent the universe. Basically, by refraining from creative acts that were done to construct the sanctuary, we demonstrate our belief that Yahuah is the creator of the universe. The thirty-nine melachos represent thirty-nine classes of creative acts. There are actually thousands of creative acts which fall under these classes and are forbidden.

To help us be more Torah observant our leaders try to explain these with Torah teachings so as to help us to insure that our behavior is consistent to Torah teachings. The thirty-nine melachos are what the Torah expressly forbids. There are thousands of things that we do or don't do, whose source is grounded in the teachings of the Torah.

Finally, you can't learn everything you need to know about what to do and not to do from just reading a list listing. For example, cutting is a melacha. Does this mean that you can't cut up your food on a Sabbath? You truly need a guide and /or a teacher to teach you what you need to know what to do.

So, while the list consists of thirty-nine items, you really need to know a lot more in order to do Sabbath correctly. However, a list is a good starting point for the beginning student. Given this introduction, the thirty-nine melachos are as follows:

1) Plowing, 2) sowing, 3) reaping, 4) sheaf-making, 5) threshing, 6) winnowing (straining), 7) selecting, 8) sifting, 9) grinding, 10) kneading, 11) Cooking, 12) baking, 13) Shearing, 14) bleaching, 15) combing, 16) dyeing, 17) spinning, 18) un-spinning, 19) weaving, 20) unweaving, 21) tying, 22) untying, 23) sewing, 24) tearing, 25) Trapping, 26) slaughtering, 27) skinning, 28) tanning, 29) scraping, 30) marking out, 31) cutting, 32) Writing, 33) erasing, 34) building, 35) demolishing, 36) making a fire, 37) extinguishing, 38) finishing something off, 39) carrying.


In the above list are several things I would like to talk about here. Some are rather self explanatory such as 1) Plowing, 2) sowing, 4) sheaf-making, 5) threshing, 6) winnowing, 7) selecting, 8) sifting, 9) grinding, 10) kneading, 11) cooking 12) baking, 13) Shearing, 14) bleaching, 15) combing, 16) dyeing, 17) spinning, 18) un-spinning, 19) weaving, 20) unweaving, 21) tying, 22) untying, 25) Trapping, 26) slaughtering, 27) skinning, 28) tanning, 29) scraping, 30) marking out, 33) erasing, 34) building, 35) demolishing, 36) making a fire, 37) extinguishing, 38) finishing something off

3) reaping, 21) tying, 23) sewing, 24) tearing, 31) cutting, 32) Writing, 36) making a fire, 39) carrying.

I will start with "reaping" It is acceptable to pick something for food in the event you have been keep from food for some reason and are very week and unable to continue one until after Sabbath.

Second is "Typing" Typing for the most part is a form of writing and writing on Sabbath is forbidden. However with today's Technology typing has become a form of communicating as much as sign language. Provided what is typed is not printed or is kept for future printing this form of typing would be acceptable as is sign language. The reasoning here is that no work should be done on Sabbath. If one should type something and save it to disk or hard drive to be printed later this would be breaking the commandment of not to do any gainful work on Sabbath.

Next is "Sewing" As anyone who has done any amount of sewing knows sewing is work. When would it be alright to sew on Sabbath? In such a rare case as one is in public and a way from any change of clothing and one rips or tears one clothing and is exposing parts of their body which should not be seen. Then to go into a private place and sew up the garment would be allowed and expected.

Now we come to "tearing" their could be a few reasons where tearing would be allowed first to tear or cut a cloth to patch your tore garment. It is quite acceptable and expected of you to tear cloth to provide a bandage for someone in an emergency.

Next is "cutting" cutting as mentioned in the above paragraph is acceptable. Also it is acceptable to cut ones food to make the pieces small enough to get in to ones mouth.

Writing? When would it be OK to write on the Sabbath? These cases are rare indeed, one would be expected to write down important instructions for life saving measures or directions for a similar purpose.

Now we come to "Making a fire" This would follow the same reasons as writing. One may kindle a fire or make a fire in the event it is to save a life. After all to save a life is the best "good deed" we can do.

Last is "carrying" what would we be allowed to carry on Sabbath? First food, medicine, clothing and other necessities of the ones in sever need. In short to save a life or property. The property may be all that that person has or could mean the difference between surviving or not.


I don't agree with everything on this site, but I find this article interesting, insights? opinions?

http://www.messianichebrews.com/melachos.html

talmidim
11th October 2005, 03:15 AM
I don't agree with everything on this site, but I find this article interesting, insights? opinions?

http://www.messianichebrews.com/melachos.html Shalom Whitney,

Well, you asked. :D The reason the Rabbis needed the "fence" laws was control. It is hard to enforce generalized statements that can be subjectively interpreted. I mean really! We must have two sets of pots, pans, dishes etc. because we were told in scripture not to boil a baby goat in its mothers milk? Because of this scripture we cannot have milk and meat together in any combination? :scratch: NOPE, I DON'T BELIEVE IT.

Now we have been given the Ruach HaKodesh, the Spirit of Truth. Do you really need someone to burden you with a bunch of made-up laws and man-made traditions? It seems like that is saying you don't believe what G-d told you in the first place or what His Spirit is telling you now. Y'know?

Bruce101
11th October 2005, 08:27 AM
I don't need "my leaders" to decipher, or otherwise tell me what to do.
I am intellegent enough to figure most things out for myself.
And where I might fall short, grace can fill in the cracks.
I didn't get to where I am today (in my beliefs) by following my leaders.
I am not a "follow the leader" type of person.

Bruce

Bon
11th October 2005, 09:26 AM
I don't need "my leaders" to decipher, or otherwise tell me what to do.
I am intellegent enough to figure most things out for myself.
And where I might fall short, grace can fill in the cracks.
I didn't get to where I am today (in my beliefs) by following my leaders.
I am not a "follow the leader" type of person.

Bruce

:thumbsup:

:)

Bon

visionary
11th October 2005, 10:58 AM
Yeah... If it comes down to a choice... trust God.

Vaneeza Malkah
11th October 2005, 09:29 PM
Yes but doesn't independence insight undesireable traits as well such as rebellion and self-righteousness? I know it's not common in western/american/wherever location to rely on others, but isn't part of being jewish the community or communal lifestyle? I understand questioning/debating our leaders/rulers practices, but outright rebellion?

anyways this wasn't even about the list of things as our congregation has our own halachah rather the typing portion, maybe I should go back and underline it.

jgonz
11th October 2005, 09:48 PM
I agree with the above posters... I won't be adhering to a list of do's and don't's that are not specifically Torah.

I don't see it as outright rebellion, since we're to accept Messiah Yeshua, be filled with the Holy Spirit, and let Him lead us and teach us in all things. I'm accountable to HaShem, not a list of fence laws, etc. I see nothing wrong with typing or writing on Sabbath. I do see in Scripture that "creating" may be an issue, but I believe that the details may be different for each person according to what the L-rd shows them.

If your congregation has a list, and you feel that's what G-d would have you follow, then that's fine~ it's between you and G-d....

Vaneeza Malkah
11th October 2005, 09:54 PM
but I believe that the details may be different for each person according to what the L-rd shows them.


how do you figure that?

jgonz
11th October 2005, 10:03 PM
When an issue is not Specifically addressed in Scripture, then you have to let the L-rd show you how You are to handle it.

For instance, for one person turning on the oven may not be kindling a flame, but for someone else it Is kindling a flame. Both are very sure that HaShem has shown them what to do and they abide by His wishes. Another example might be women's headcoverings. Some women hear very clearly from the L-rd that they are to cover their hair, while other women hear very clearly from the L-rd that they aren't required to.

Does that answer your question?

Vaneeza Malkah
11th October 2005, 11:02 PM
When an issue is not Specifically addressed in Scripture, then you have to let the L-rd show you how You are to handle it.

For instance, for one person turning on the oven may not be kindling a flame, but for someone else it Is kindling a flame. Both are very sure that HaShem has shown them what to do and they abide by His wishes. Another example might be women's headcoverings. Some women hear very clearly from the L-rd that they are to cover their hair, while other women hear very clearly from the L-rd that they aren't required to.

Does that answer your question?

Yes I see what you're saying. However I believe some issues are personal, some are congregational, and some are community-wide. Unity within the community is something very important and it should be a goal to reach with our brothers and sisters. I always think of the verse, that if something your brother considers offensive that you eat, then you should not eat of that thing.

Bruce101
11th October 2005, 11:10 PM
Yes but doesn't independence insight undesireable traits as well such as rebellion and self-righteousness? I know it's not common in western/american/wherever location to rely on others, but isn't part of being jewish the community or communal lifestyle? I understand questioning/debating our leaders/rulers practices, but outright rebellion?

anyways this wasn't even about the list of things as our congregation has our own halachah rather the typing portion, maybe I should go back and underline it.

Outright rebellion?
Against what?

Bruce

Vaneeza Malkah
12th October 2005, 12:12 AM
Outright rebellion?
Against what?

Bruce

it's just a broad statement of anything you're taught. For example you wouldn't bring pork chops to oneg if you knew others would be bothered by it. And if you're like my congregation you wouldn't even bring meat/milk dishes. Another example would be honouring the sabbath.

Bon
12th October 2005, 12:36 AM
it's just a broad statement of anything you're taught. For example you wouldn't bring pork chops to oneg if you knew others would be bothered by it. And if you're like my congregation you wouldn't even bring meat/milk dishes. Another example would be honouring the sabbath.

I totally understand where you're coming from on this matter Whitney..:)

Your congregation has certain halachic adhereances...and you, as a member, feel that it is your obligation to follow the requirements of it out of respect and for unity etc....(don't rock the boat...so-to-speak)

What about people such as myself...and other's here too....
...who do not belong to any congregation or fellowship?

In my case, everything I do is between YHWH and me.

If you are happy doing what you are doing...and you are happy with your congregation...and they are adhering to and teaching the truth of YHWH's Word...then THAT is what really matters IMO.

Bon

Vaneeza Malkah
12th October 2005, 01:14 AM
thanks bon, ya you got it!

What about people such as myself...and other's here too....
...who do not belong to any congregation or fellowship?

I would say that to some degree this is your fellowship :) and it is mine too. Here we should love our fellow brothers and sisters (and for the most part we do :) ) We should obey the rules given here to us. But the issue has been brought up as weather typing here is breaking the sabbath. I say that our purpose here is for fellowship, not typing or writing a paper or even being creative (maybe creating a poem or story would be) and if we limit our conduct to fellowship we're not breaking the sabbath. I just wanted an overall opinion from the messianics here on what they think. Maybe I should have been more specific in my first post :)

visionary
12th October 2005, 08:04 AM
even if the assemblying of ourselves is virtual, it is as real as some of us can get.