Erwin has answered our question about our Jewish posters :)

[Henaynei]

6.5 You will NOT post in the "Christians Only" forums (but may post in all other forums) and will NOT use a "Christian" faith icon in your profile if you consider yourself a "Christian" but do NOT adhere to the contents of the Nicene Creed (including but not limited to Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Unitarians, United Pentecostal Church members, Oneness Pentecostals or Church Of Christ Scientists). There are specific faith icons for "LDS" and "Jehovah Witnesses". Others may use the "Other-Church" faith icon.
a.An exception is that Jewish members may post in the Messianic Judaism forum only.

Rule No. 6 - "Christians Only" Forums (http://www.christianforums.com/faq.php?faq=rules#faq_no_co)

[Wags]

Hmmm....does that mean they can answer questions? For example, if a non-messianic stops by and asks a question about messianic belief, can a non-messianic jewish poster answer it?

[Talmidah]

:)

[Henaynei]

As I understand it - they are under the same restraints as before - that has not changed

[azzy]

6.5 You will NOT post in the "Christians Only" forums (but may post in all other forums) and will NOT use a "Christian" faith icon in your profile if you consider yourself a "Christian" but do NOT adhere to the contents of the Nicene Creed (including but not limited to Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Unitarians, United Pentecostal Church members, Oneness Pentecostals or Church Of Christ Scientists). There are specific faith icons for "LDS" and "Jehovah Witnesses". Others may use the "Other-Church" faith icon.
a.An exception is that Jewish members may post in the Messianic Judaism forum only.

Rule No. 6 - "Christians Only" Forums (http://www.christianforums.com/faq.php?faq=rules#faq_no_co)

Well,gosh,lets just go ahead and put the Children of Israel into concentration camps,why dont we,then we wouldnt have a Jewish problem.

By the way,wasnt Jesus a Rabbi?And wasnt he Jewish?AS were all the apostles?

If Paul and Jesus were here,where would we put them?In the only Jewish section?

I say let them go where they want to,we owe it to them.

Well,what do I know.:sorry:

[talmidim]

Why not give them their own forum? I like the idea of a safe haven. Perhaps they will too.

[DrMcDonald]

Why not give them their own forum? I like the idea of a safe haven. Perhaps they will too.

I am in agreement with talmidim.

[talmidim]

I have had a little time to think about this. This is my opinion. I am all in favor of blessing my Jewish brothers and sisters. I pray for His blessings, prosperity and peace on them all. I contribute to the welfare of returning Jews, even though the ONLY Jews refused the right of return by the Israeli Supreme court are Messianic and Hebrew Christians.

Despite our earnest concerns for the Jew, we should NOT close our eyes to what they believe and what they do to the peace of this forum. I personally am astonished and saddened at this decision. People come to this forum to seek knowledge about Messianic Judaism. So, why are Orthodox Jews, those avowed Anti-Christian, Anti-Messianic and dedicated anti-missionaries, the MOST Anti-Yeshua of just about anyone on the planet, allowed to give instruction concerning the Messianic Judaism doctrine of Yeshua as G-d? This is beyond comprehension. Show me a site where Messianics are allowed to answer doctrinal questions for Orthodox Jews and I will eat my hat and yours too. Is Rabbi Yitzak Ginsburg to be a spokesman for the Vatican? This would make about as much sense.

Some of the Jewish posters on this site are courteous and sincere. Most have a vested interest in discrediting our faith in Yeshua. You may take the many threads on the Trinity, echad vs. yachid and Isaiah 7:14 for examples. From what I have seen, there are a few that gleefully derail every thread that tries to dig deeper into scripture from a Messianic’s point of view.

This is what Paul fought tooth and nail against in the early church. Now we openly invite this voice of dissention and disunity into our forum. There is no other group of believers that are subjected to this disruption.

Please...

Allow us the same protection as the other forums on this BBS or
Allow Orthodox Jews to answer doctrinal questions for all the other Christian forums on this BBS or
Give the Jewish member a forum of their own so that we will ALL have a safe haven to discuss doctrine from our own point of view.
I have since been corrected and only those that have a "scroll" icon may debate or answer questions concerning Messianic Judaism. I still support the idea of a Jewish forum.

[Vaneeza Malkah]

Talmidim, your words are my thoughts.

[Bananna]

Well they may or may not be able to answer about messianic faith, but our Jewish friends do know about Judaism. If they were not here many others wouldn't bother to be here either. On the other hand quite a few have left, because the Christian only forumn does not fit the majority of Messianic believers to begin with.

bananna

[Alpine]

I'm half jewish and a christian, can i post a testimony in this forum?

[CovenantRay]

I'm half jewish and a christian, can i post a testimony in this forum?

Shalom Alpine:

My reading of the forum rules is simply this:
You may post in fellowship or to ask a question if you do not have the messianic icon.

If this is not clear enough, perhaps you could send a private message to one of the moderators of this forum and ask them to decide.

Good luck,

CovenantRay :prayer:

[insaneinthebrain]

So, why are Orthodox Jews, those avowed Anti-Christian, Anti-Messianic and dedicated anti-missionaries, the MOST Anti-Yeshua of just about anyone on the planet, allowed to give instruction concerning the Messianic Judaism doctrine of Yeshua as G-d?
They aren't. Neither are Catholics, Lutherans, etc. They are allowed to post fellowship and ask questions. If they do otherwise, report them. The posting style of Talmidah fits well within that definition, and I doubt you've ever had any issues with her posts in this forum. (As an aside, I also wouldn't want to drive her away, as she's a really nice person :))

For everyone's benefit, here's how we define fellowship:

** DEFINITION OF FELLOWSHIP POST:

It is not debate.
Someone without a scroll faith icon may not discuss reasons for or against a subject being discussed on this forum. This includes questions that essentially are rebuttal or argumentative in nature.

It is not apologetics.
Someone without a scroll faith icon may not engage in theological discussions that defend their particular point of view on scriptural, theological, doctrinal, Judaism (Messianic or non-Messianic) or political issues.


It is not answering questions.
Let's say a thread is started that asks the question about what do you think about keeping kosher? Only Messianics (those with a scroll faith icon) can offer an opinion about that. A member with any other faith icon may not answer that question in this forum. This is not to say they don't have an opinion on that topic, but they may not answer that question here. Neither may non-Messianics offer rebuttal to opinions posted in response to a question or discussion.

It is not teaching
If a thread is started that asks a general question such as what do you think XYZ means? Only a member bearing a scroll faith icon (thus identifying him/herself as Messianic) may give instruction on the topic. While there may be many very good ideas on the subject from other members (those bearing any other faith icon) they may not give instruction in the Messianic Judaism Forum.

Earnest questions are always welcome, from anyone.

It is
Essentially Fellowship is defined as discussion of topics of association, of companionship - i.e. discussions of things like friends, family, work..... these are fellowship posts. And posts that offer friendship would certainly be described as fellowship.

In addition, debate in the form of a question is not allowed. It may follow the basic letter of the rules, but debate is debate regardless of the punctuation used. :)

[shmuel]

It seems to me that certain of these issues would best be handled by expert moderation. For instance, if the subject turns to the meaning of a Hebrew word, it is quite possible that either a Christian or a traditional Jew has more knowledge than an individual with a Messianic icon. Moderators should allow "expert testimony" on certain subjects regardless of icon. If the moderators here do not feel qualified to properly moderate in these instances, I know at least one administrator at CF not affiliated with the Messianic Jewish subforum who is qualified by reason of education is to comment on Greek and Hebrew useage. There are perhaps others who are similarly qualified to moderate these questions. "Expert modrators" would also be useful on such subjects as history, archaeology, philosophy and similar technical areas. Such moderators would not be tied to one subforum but could moderate in whatever subforum that needed their expertise at the time.

S

[dignitized]

It seems to me that certain of these issues would best be handled by expert moderation. For instance, if the subject turns to the meaning of a Hebrew word, it is quite possible that either a Christian or a traditional Jew has more knowledge than an individual with a Messianic icon. Moderators should allow "expert testimony" on certain subjects regardless of icon. If the moderators here do not feel qualified to properly moderate in these instances, I know at least one administrator at CF not affiliated with the Messianic Jewish subforum who is qualified by reason of education is to comment on Greek and Hebrew useage. There are perhaps others who are similarly qualified to moderate these questions. "Expert modrators" would also be useful on such subjects as history, archaeology, philosophy and similar technical areas. Such moderators would not be tied to one subforum but could moderate in whatever subforum that needed their expertise at the time.

S Good idea - BUT: why limit it to word usage? Why not open it up to other topics? Such as History? :)

[insaneinthebrain]

Well, the thing is, you seem to be looking at this forum as though it's the only one on CF. We have a History (http://www.christianforums.com/f106-history.html) forum out in the open area, and a Biblical Archaeology (http://www.christianforums.com/f507-biblical-archaeology.html) forum in the CO section. Neither of these forums are exclusive to Messianics, and one is open to non-Christians. You are more than welcom to participate there and even post a link here to get people to stop by.

As for Biblical Languages, I would definitely support a request to start a new forum on the topic out in the open to allow our Jewish members to discuss Hebrew. Feel free to suggest it here: http://www.christianforums.com/f395-suggest-new-forums.html (and let me know when you do, as I'll gladly back you up :))

[shmuel]

Well, the thing is, you seem to be looking at this forum as though it's the only one on CF. We have a History (http://www.christianforums.com/f106-history.html) forum out in the open area, and a Biblical Archaeology (http://www.christianforums.com/f507-biblical-archaeology.html) forum in the CO section. Neither of these forums are exclusive to Messianics, and one is open to non-Christians. You are more than welcom to participate there and even post a link here to get people to stop by.

Because these issues come up as a part of messianic discussion. For instance, the subject of echad vs yachid came up on this forum. Why should misinformation stand just because it is posted by someone with a Messianic icon. The error should be corrected in the forum where the error occurs even if the "corrector" doesn't have the correct icon. If this is to work moderators must have both wisdom and knowledge. Yes, it is difficult to deal with.
S

[dignitized]

Well, the thing is, you seem to be looking at this forum as though it's the only one on CF. We have a History (http://www.christianforums.com/f106-history.html) forum out in the open area, and a Biblical Archaeology (http://www.christianforums.com/f507-biblical-archaeology.html) forum in the CO section. Neither of these forums are exclusive to Messianics, and one is open to non-Christians. You are more than welcom to participate there and even post a link here to get people to stop by.

As for Biblical Languages, I would definitely support a request to start a new forum on the topic out in the open to allow our Jewish members to discuss Hebrew. Feel free to suggest it here: http://www.christianforums.com/f395-suggest-new-forums.html (and let me know when you do, as I'll gladly back you up :))

Those forums are great - but they don't help when you have people in the congregations forums making definitive statements that this is this or that is that and those of us with the knowledge are not permitted to share our knowledge based on our faith Icon. :( People read these posts and run with what they say as if they come from the mouth of God Himself and they are full or errors.:sigh:

[shmuel]

Good idea - BUT: why limit it to word usage? Why not open it up to other topics? Such as History? :)

I didn't!

"Expert modrators" would also be useful on such subjects as history, archaeology, philosophy and similar technical areas. Such moderators would not be tied to one subforum but could moderate in whatever subforum that needed their expertise at the time.

[dignitized]

[font=Book Antiqua][size=3][color=#a0522d]

I didn't! well if they do create topic specific mods - I'll sign up. :)

[Alpine]

ok, dumb question here, but is this the only forum where those with a certain icon are allowed to post? I say this because I see people of all denominations posting in the pentecostal/charismatic forums everyday, and I don't think anything of it.

[insaneinthebrain]

Actually, all of the congregational fora have this rule. However, "charismatic" isn't a specific group; several denominations can claim that title.

However, check out the Catholic forum, etc., and you'll get a clearer picture.

[insaneinthebrain]

Those forums are great - but they don't help when you have people in the congregations forums making definitive statements that this is this or that is that and those of us with the knowledge are not permitted to share our knowledge based on our faith Icon. :( People read these posts and run with what they say as if they come from the mouth of God Himself and they are full or errors.:sigh:
Honestly, issues like that could probably be moved to General Theology.

I do see the logic behind this proposal, but disagree with it simply because it opens the door to too much other "correction."

[Alpine]

Actually, all of the congregational fora have this rule. However, "charismatic" isn't a specific group; several denominations can claim that title.

However, check out the Catholic forum, etc., and you'll get a clearer picture.
kk

[Talmidah]

IITB,
What about when posters come to this forum to ask specifically about Jewish practice, belief or custom? Or, if someone posts something blatantly false (such as a chapter being deleted from our Bibles)? Is there any provision to answer anything like this, or just hope that there is a messianic knowledgable and truthful enough to answer accurately?

Thanks :)

[insaneinthebrain]

If it's specifically about Jewish practice, you could always PM them or invite them to NCR to discuss it. If it's something as silly as chapters being deleted, I would hope a staff member or someone else would step up to answer. :)

[Wags]

I can see a huge issue with "experts" being allowed to post their opinions where ever they want.

1. How do you determine who an "expert" is? Just because some one claims to be an expert doesn't make them one.

2. Lots of "experts" disagree over a variety of issues, so how do you determine how is "right". For example, many "experts" will tell you that torah has been done away with and is no longer applicable to believers.


Experts = former drips :D

[Talmidah]

If it's specifically about Jewish practice, you could always PM them or invite them to NCR to discuss it. If it's something as silly as chapters being deleted, I would hope a staff member or someone else would step up to answer.

Okay :)

Thank you :)

[shmuel]

If it's specifically about Jewish practice, you could always PM them or invite them to NCR to discuss it. If it's something as silly as chapters being deleted, I would hope a staff member or someone else would step up to answer. :)

Of course you can't possibly PM everyone who might read an erroneous post. Posts with errors should not be allowed to stand if there is someone qualified to correct them. I often post for persons who might be guests here rather than for others contributing to the thread. Those on the thread frequently have their minds made up and are no longer open to another position.

At this point I throw up my hands. Let the truth be determined by the one with the Messianic icon who "shouts" the loudest or writes the longest posts!!!

[insaneinthebrain]

Of course you can't possibly PM everyone who might read an erroneous post. Posts with errors should not be allowed to stand if there is someone qualified to correct them. I often post for persons who might be guests here rather than for others contributing to the thread. Those on the thread frequently have their minds made up and are no longer open to another position.

At this point I throw up my hands. Let the truth be determined by the one with the Messianic icon who "shouts" the loudest or writes the longest posts!!!
If I may play devil's advocate for a second...

Who's to say that you'll get your response posted in enough time to prevent a guest from thinking an error is correct? Not to mention, there are tons of people out there that subscirbe to the view that anything they find on the internet must be correct. You simply cannot fix all the problems in this one forum.

As stated before, I'm all for moving discussions to an open forum if it's necessary. However, expert correction is too vague a concept. I have too many people telling me I'm rejecting salvation by not eating pork as it is...

[shmuel]

How do you determine who an "expert" is? Just because some one claims to be an expert doesn't make them one.

How does one be come qualified to be a moderator? Obviously someone in the senior staff must decide. Chosing "expert moderators" would be no different. In reality it is possible to have quite objective standards for experts.

Lots of "experts" disagree over a variety of issues, so how do you determine how is "right". For example, many "experts" will tell you that torah has been done away with and is no longer applicable to believers.

I'm speaking of "technical experts" not persons of differing theological position. The fact that experts might disagree on a few technical points does not mean they would disagree on issues of interest to this forum. I would prefer panels of experts rather than a single expert. What is the fear of experts here?

S

[insaneinthebrain]

What is the fear of the open forums? Why does it all have to happen here? When a thread is moved, a redirect link remains, why is that not enough?

[talmidim]

They aren't. Neither are Catholics, Lutherans, etc. They are allowed to post fellowship and ask questions. If they do otherwise, report them. The posting style of Talmidah fits well within that definition, and I doubt you've ever had any issues with her posts in this forum. (As an aside, I also wouldn't want to drive her away, as she's a really nice person :))

For everyone's benefit, here's how we define fellowship:

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In addition, debate in the form of a question is not allowed. It may follow the basic letter of the rules, but debate is debate regardless of the punctuation used. :)insaneinthebrain,

Thank you for your correction. I have obviously misread the rules as they stand. I will edit my post to reflect the reality of the situation. Could you do one thing for me? Would you post the relevant rules so that we may better understand how they are interpreted? Thank you again.

Talmidah,

Please forgive me if I have offended. I still think the an on-site Jewish forum would be wonderful. Perhaps this could be started as a new thread. Hmmm...

[talmidim]

insaneinthebrain, Wags, Shmuel etc.,


I have read with interest the suggestions about "expert moderators", "expert forums" etc, ad nauseam...:sick: I have been witness to various "expert" wars in every discipline of academia and jurisprudence and though often educational, the outcome is seldom definitive. I am very happy to have a forum where I can come and exchange views with like minded people without being "trumped" by someone with more "credentials" and a vested agenda. Often, these are the very people that we have come to discuss. There are enough people that frequent these haunts that have an agenda, :preach: without giving carte blanche to some kind of elite SuperMember! In truth, there are few major academic disciplines (including theology) that have not been REGULARLY turned on their respective heads over the past century. Can you say "division" boys and girls? Sure, I knew you could.

It is my experience that the most convincing arguments are those that are well referenced and agree with the harmony of scripture. Those persons that are led astray are frequently (though not always) those who are lazy and ready to yield to the opinion of whoever has the most initials behind their name, or as shmuel said, write the longest posts. There is little we can do about those (the weak minded or the long winded) except pray. :groupray:

How about a compromise? How about a discipline oriented expert forum where members from all forums can bring their questions on language, history, etc., and have them debated by pre-qualified leaders in their respective discipline? There should be someone to argue the majority and minority views on every subject. Oh wait! That already exists doesn't it? It's called ACADEMIA! :doh: Well, we've got Google. Maybe we can have a Wikipedia link too. Perhaps a cartoon bobble head bot script we can call, "Ask Mr. Internet"!!

*Where is the tongue-in-cheek smiley
when you really need him?!!* :help:

[BourbonFromHeaven]

BS'D

As a Jewish poster fluent in Biblical Hebrew, why is not my opinion not welcome in said forums? If I had posts labled, " MESSIANICS ARE WRONG!!! " and proceded to berate the faith, I would understand.

However, I rarely opine here and only do so, when Messianics themselves are divided on the issue. I routinely answer questions on Hebrew and Aramiac for Christians on these forums, both public and private messages and never has a Christian distrusted me becuase of my faith icon, yet here, I get the distinct feeling that;

A) Not welcome here

and

B) My mere presence seems to invalidate some

I understand this is a Messianic Forum, In a Christian forum, and I've never stopped a Messianic from explaining their faith in what ever terms they like, however, I feel more then misrepresented when a Gentile Pastor starts giving rulings on Halacha, shouldn't the Jewish population have some representation then? After all, Yadin Yadin,falls within the camp of Rabbincal Judaism.

In the Unorthodox Forums, I am called to settle disputes between Mormons and Christians. In the Non-Christian Forum ( The home forum of Judaism) I settle disputes between Muslims and Christians and in the Genreal Apologetics, I settle disputes between Skeptics and Christians. It seems like, everywhere else, no one has ever had a problem with my presence, but here, I am seeing as destroying the Messianic faith?

I don't think this post violates the rules, within context, becuase I want to know where I stand here and ask for clarification.

Peace :prayer:

[dignitized]

Honestly, issues like that could probably be moved to General Theology.

I do see the logic behind this proposal, but disagree with it simply because it opens the door to too much other "correction." Correcting "beliefs" would of course be off limits. Correcting perceptions as well would be off limits. The key would be limiting corrections to facts. :)

FOR EXAMPLE - Party A and B are arguing about which came first - the chicken or the egg. Okay. A believes the egg came first and so does his church. B believes it's the chicken. A says that because a chicken comes out of an egg he has the correct belief - B believes that because eggs come out of chickens that chickens came first. NONE of this so far is anything fit for correction. BUT when B says that eggs come out of a chickens NOSE - there is something that needs correcting. Any correction would require evidence being posted to corroborate the correction. It is a fact that eggs do not come out of a chickens nose and the evidence can be found HERE (link to the evidence).

[dignitized]

I can see a huge issue with "experts" being allowed to post their opinions where ever they want.
Again - facts not opinions.


1. How do you determine who an "expert" is? Just because some one claims to be an expert doesn't make them one. Well - they would have to prove their expertise then wouldn't they :)

2. Lots of "experts" disagree over a variety of issues, so how do you determine how is "right". For example, many "experts" will tell you that torah has been done away with and is no longer applicable to believers. That is a matter of belief or preception which would not be open for correction. UNLESS - someone stated that group A believed such-and-such when in fact they have a creedal statement which says otherwise. The correction would be limited to demonstrating that group A's creedal statement indicates that they do not believe such-and-such. No opinions. . . no preceptions. . . just correcting the facts.


Experts = former drips :D OH many still are drips!

[dignitized]

Of course you can't possibly PM everyone who might read an erroneous post. Posts with errors should not be allowed to stand if there is someone qualified to correct them. I often post for persons who might be guests here rather than for others contributing to the thread. Those on the thread frequently have their minds made up and are no longer open to another position.

At this point I throw up my hands. Let the truth be determined by the one with the Messianic icon who "shouts" the loudest or writes the longest posts!!!I do not advocate that posts be deleted. ONLY that they be followed with a correction of facts. Better to leave the original claim and follow it with a correction than to have things degrade into he said she said.

[Tishri1]

:)ditto:)I second that smiley!

[Tishri1]

insaneinthebrain, Wags, Shmuel etc.,


I have read with interest the suggestions about "expert moderators", "expert forums" etc, ad nauseam...:sick: I have been witness to various "expert" wars in every discipline of academia and jurisprudence and though often educational, the outcome is seldom definitive. I am very happy to have a forum where I can come and exchange views with like minded people without being "trumped" by someone with more "credentials" and a vested agenda. Often, these are the very people that we have come to discuss. There are enough people that frequent these haunts that have an agenda, :preach: without giving carte blanche to some kind of elite SuperMember! In truth, there are few major academic disciplines (including theology) that have not been REGULARLY turned on their respective heads over the past century. Can you say "division" boys and girls? Sure, I knew you could.

It is my experience that the most convincing arguments are those that are well referenced and agree with the harmony of scripture. Those persons that are led astray are frequently (though not always) those who are lazy and ready to yield to the opinion of whoever has the most initials behind their name, or as shmuel said, write the longest posts. There is little we can do about those (the weak minded or the long winded) except pray. :groupray:

How about a compromise? How about a discipline oriented expert forum where members from all forums can bring their questions on language, history, etc., and have them debated by pre-qualified leaders in their respective discipline? There should be someone to argue the majority and minority views on every subject. Oh wait! That already exists doesn't it? It's called ACADEMIA! :doh: Well, we've got Google. Maybe we can have a Wikipedia link too. Perhaps a cartoon bobble head bot script we can call, "Ask Mr. Internet"!!

*Where is the tongue-in-cheek smiley
when you really need him?!!* :help: I'm with him!

[Tishri1]

I wish we did have a forum where Jews and Messianics could converse openly but I also know that there are meanies out there too, I love the fact that we are protected from the meanies but sad that we don't get the whole relationship with our Jewish friends..*Tish is sad* :groupray:

[Vaneeza Malkah]

One issue I thought was ammusing is our Messianic Christian ( A.k.a Messianic Judaism) brethren's attitude to our presence as of late.

They seemed to express dismay, that Christians of non-messianic nature, come to the Orthodox folk, for questions on biblical hebrew and Jewish Theology, philosphy and history. That was the feeling I got.

Do you think they feel invalidated by us being here? That their fellow christians just see them as another tiny fish, in that big christian pond, and don't consider them "Jewish" enough to ask them questions regarding Judaism?

In all honesty, I have very little sympathy for them. Infact, a dirty little secret needs to be aired, I really did enjoy debating with them on Rabbincal writings that they were so quick to cite, yet could not cite entire passage or discuss entire tractates, becuase they did not have any familiarity of the parent text nor have any accsess to it.

To me, it was clear, they at least didn't like me and few others tromping around ( They did, however, like Talmidah, but then again, who doesn't? :) )

What vibe did you guys get from them?


Bourbonfromheaven, why would you say one thing and then say this behind our backs? Can you say lashon hara? Not only have you said mean things about us, but you've invited others to do so as well, and they have and are. :cry:http://www.christianforums.com/t2198173-the-kosher-judaism-thread.html

[CovenantRay]

Shalom:

As is my right, I've injected my response into that thread. Point was made. I won't be looking for responses.

[Rhetorical] Why is it that most all people feel the need to be superior to other people? I feel that this is the root of man's inhumanity to man throughout all time.

As always trying to be edifying, bearing good fruit, in love,

CovenantRay :prayer:

[MyLittleWonders]

May I ask a question here: What happened to the Jewish Debate subforum? The last I heard, it was to remain a place for Jewish members and MJ's to discuss and debate, though not necessarily formally. Then I get a PM saying it's only for formal debates. Then non-formal debates are allowed to continue. Now, there is nothing. As I stated previously, it is a shame that the Jewish members are being kicked out of here ...

[Henaynei]

May I ask a question here: What happened to the Jewish Debate subforum? The last I heard, it was to remain a place for Jewish members and MJ's to discuss and debate, though not necessarily formally. Then I get a PM saying it's only for formal debates. Then non-formal debates are allowed to continue. Now, there is nothing. As I stated previously, it is a shame that the Jewish members are being kicked out of here ...Please see this...

Regarding the Jewish Debates subforum (http://www.christianforums.com/t2197253-regarding-the-jewish-debates-subforum.html)

[azzy]

Gosh,Im so confused,all these rules.I would like to talk to a Jewish person who believes in christ,and to some who dont,but ,I dunno,Do I qualify to talk?


This is mind boggling for a simple man like me.By the way,anyone is always free to talk to me.:wave:

[Wags]

Gosh,Im so confused,all these rules.I would like to talk to a Jewish person who believes in christ,and to some who dont,but ,I dunno,Do I qualify to talk?


This is mind boggling for a simple man like me.By the way,anyone is always free to talk to me.:wave:

You are welcome to ask questions.

[azzy]

You are welcome to ask questions.

Well thanks friend,My son is named Isreal Benjamin #####.I dedicated him to the God of Isreal years ago,he is 15 now.Im not sure what I am ,so I cant make the claim to be Jewish,but have come down on the side of Isreal on every issue.

My question,does the hebrew ancient texts,refer to a goddess,or the female side of God?Does the Jewish bible say,let us creat man in our image?

Does the Jewish bible say,Revile not the gods,niether speak evil of the ruler of thy people?If so,what gods are the passages talking about?I have to find the passage,but im online now.Exodus 22:28,,,,what gods?

[Talmidah]

Gosh,Im so confused,all these rules.I would like to talk to a Jewish person who believes in christ,and to some who dont,but ,I dunno,Do I qualify to talk?

You are welcome to ask questions.

Hi azzy :wave:
But if you want to talk to Jews who don't believe in Jesus, you need to ask in another forum (http://www.christianforums.com/f76-non-christian-religion.html).



This is mind boggling for a simple man like me.By the way,anyone is always free to talk to me.
Well, I look forward to talking with you! :thumbsup:

[debi b]

Well.....ya know I can appreciate how this can be a bit confusing. To be honest some of it stems from members not really understanding how this entire forum was and is set up. Then there are the issues of terminology, definitions, communication and intent of individuals.

I wish I could express to you how much we as staff desire this to be a place where people can share, grow, learn, and maybe make a few friends :)

In a perfect world we would all have the same definitions, and we would all have the ability to really express our hearts and minds. I know that there are limitations and restrictions that can be hard to see the reasoning behind. I wish you could see what I see.....

Sadly, we don't live in a perfect world. There is a great deal of tension between what some people think this forum should be and what it actually is. There are many assumptions concerning many things. And I will tell you honestly that we as human beings fall short in our ability to express at times issues with clarity.

May we have the ability to demonstrate our love for Adonai in a meaningful way :hug: