Anti-Christian politics

[Knight]

Has anyone else seen this?

http://www.worldmag.com/world/issue/08-31-02/cover_1.asp

I posted this here because it is supposed to be a Christians only forum and I want Christians to be informed about this as well as get Christian feedback on it.

[Knight]

Come on.
Somebody has to have an opinion on this.

[Reformationist]

Well, I live in Cali and I gotta tell you, it doesn't surprise me either.  California is the boiling pot for some of the most ridiculous and offensive proposals ever to be brought forth.

God bless.

[SUNSTONE]

Can they do that?
It wouldn't be so bad, if you could have God in the schools, but they pulled him out to.

[coastie]

Being a former and soon-to-be-again Californian, I can tell you that the SoCal-ers and Bay Area-ers are the most liberal. And they vote with fads. If it's fashionably radical to vote for a lesbian, they'll do it. If it's fashionalby radical to vote for a anti-Christianity, anti-american terrorist, they'll do it.

Don't ask me why, because I don't get it. Most of my friends growing up just voted liberal because it was just cool.

I have always liked the idea of california splitting into two different states at Fresno, that way the conservative northerners' votes would actually count for something.

none-the-less, after living all over the country, there is no place I'd rather live.

[Knight]

Then your patience far outstrips mine my friend.

I like your idea about separating out the northern areas. How about this. Split the state at the fault line and let the left coast drift off into the sea. Then start things all over again.

This would be the same idea tha Lex Luthor had in the first Superman movie.

[Susan]

Ah, excuse me. . .I'm from Southern California, and I am far from liberal.
-^.^-

[Knight]

No offense intended Susan.

I/we are well aware that there are conservatives living in So Cal. That you are not a liberal and young is promising.

Still, it must be frustrating as a Christian to have these policies shoved down your throats.

[coastie]

Originally posted by Knight
Then your patience far outstrips mine my friend.

I like your idea about separating out the northern areas. How about this. Split the state at the fault line and let the left coast drift off into the sea. Then start things all over again.

This would be the same idea tha Lex Luthor had in the first Superman movie.

LOL

And all this time I thought Lex was a bad guy :D

Darn that Superman!!!

I really like that idea... and that way we'll get some great new unsurfed coastline to explore... I'm all for it.

Susan,

Move up to Northern CA... a lot less religious persecution once you get east of Oakland. :)

[wildernesse]

If you don't like how your representative government is working in California, mobilize the vote against the people you don't like--don't just pout and hope it goes away. The state governmental procedings of killing bills in committee is simply politics--look at DC if you want to realize that it isn't liberal homosexuals that are so petty. If you don't like who controls the pettiness, then find someone you do support and get out there and pound the pavement for him or her. Educate the public and be politically active. Talk to your church members and like-minded friends about political issues--before the week of elections.

Reading about politics and showing others is the first step to awareness. If you care about the issues, the next thing is to act.

--tibac

[coastie]

Originally posted by wildernesse
If you don't like how your representative government is working in California, mobilize the vote against the people you don't like--don't just pout and hope it goes away. The state governmental procedings of killing bills in committee is simply politics--look at DC if you want to realize that it isn't liberal homosexuals that are so petty. If you don't like who controls the pettiness, then find someone you do support and get out there and pound the pavement for him or her. Educate the public and be politically active. Talk to your church members and like-minded friends about political issues--before the week of elections.

Reading about politics and showing others is the first step to awareness. If you care about the issues, the next thing is to act.

--tibac

OK... what a great idea... why didn't I think of that? ;)

Sheesh, if their were really enough conservatives in CA to do that, don't you think we would have? "Pound the Pavement" all you want, it won't get you anywhere in that state.

You ought to visit socal sometime and watch their LA news... you'll be pulling your hair out :)

[wildernesse]

Here is a site for homeschoolers in California--what it presents is that the state doesn't look favorably on homeschools, but that it is still a legal and viable option if you jump through silly legal hoops. Basically the new anti-homeschool law requires you to have a valid California teacher's certificate or be able to qualify as a private school. I think that the law is well-intentioned in that it wants the teachers to be educated and a full and well-rounded curriculum in a full-time setting, but I think that there could be better ways of implementing this.

Legal homeschooling in CA (http://www.hsc.org/faq.html#legal)

--tibac

[wildernesse]

If you have a good point and are "right" about being a conservative, shouldn't you be able to convince others of your point? Also, if it is such a burden to live under this government, with no hope of a change, why don't you just move? It would seem to me that you would prefer to live in a place where you ideas and opinions had some weight, rather in a hopeless quagmire of liberalism.

--tibac

[coastie]

Originally posted by wildernesse
If you have a good point and are "right" about being a conservative, shouldn't you be able to convince others of your point? Also, if it is such a burden to live under this government, with no hope of a change, why don't you just move? It would seem to me that you would prefer to live in a place where you ideas and opinions had some weight, rather in a hopeless quagmire of liberalism.

--tibac

It looks to me that you are trying to "solve" my problem, and I'm not asking you to "solve" my problem. :)

So just because my idea is good means that everyone will agree... right.

I don't live in California anymore... but I will again in a year or so. And I love it there. I think the government needs to be a little less intrusive, but that seems to be the trend throughout the US lately.

It woudl be nice if anyone cared about what I thought... that would be novel, but I'm used to no one giving a flip about me, I'm in the military.

Zach

[wildernesse]

I don't think you have a problem--I just get tired of people being all talk and no action--and I'm sorry if I let my annoyance come through in this conversation. Also, I'm a self-defined liberal and it always gets me when liberals are portrayed as evil tyrants.

And I do know someone who wants to know your opinion--the person running for office (local, regional, national) in your area. If you don't tell them what you think, then they'll never know. Make the politicians work for your money.

--tibac

[coastie]

Well, let me tell you a little story about the only democrat I ever trusted enough to vote for. I grew up in central California in a little town called Oakdale.

He ahd been good to my dad for years in that he took good care of the firefighters and was very involved in the community. I even talked to him directly once because my wife (who was in the US legally at the time) was being constantly harrassed by INS because of a mistake that they made and we ended up having to pay about a thousand more for her green card than we should have.... but I digress :)

I talked to the congressman's secretary and she got the congressman himself in touch with my wife. They talked about her situation a little and lo and behold... she had her green card within the week. I don't kow how he did it... but he did.

He was from my hometown and lived in the city where I graduated from high school. As a matter of fact, I once worked on the teenage section of the local newspaper with his mistress. But Gary Condit's not gonna get my vote again.

[wildernesse]

I don't think that many people considered Condit a liberal--wasn't he a member of a conservative Democratic group--Blue Dogs or something like that. There is a range of ideas within the Democratic party, and I would probably have thought that he was too conservative for me.   Republican doesn't neccessarily mean conservative--look at all of the Republicans in the Northeast.

In fact, I don't know why Democrats even came up--is it because I said I was a liberal? I'm not a member of any political party, but I'm between a Democrat and a Green. Most GA Republicans are conservatives, and don't focus on what I think are important issues.

I don't think that Condit's going to get anyone's vote anytime soon--didn't he lose in the primary? He's a total lame duck now, but that was the case before the election too.

--tibac