Is it a sin to cut/dye your hair?

[Goldfishgal]

I don't think it is but one of my friends says that it says you shouldn't do it in the Bible...

any help?

[RichardT]

I don't think it is but one of my friends says that it says you shouldn't do it in the Bible...

any help?

of course you can cut your hair. But I dont know about dieing it. I think it says somewhere in the old testament that it's not good to put tatoos on your body or something ..

[Forest]

I don't think it is but one of my friends says that it says you shouldn't do it in the Bible...

any help?

Some people I know use verse 15 to say a woman shouldn't cut their hair, ever.

But they seem to forget the next verse, 16 which to me, makes it clear that it is not a commandment to not cut your hair.
1 Corinthians 11:15-16 (New King James Version)

15 But if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2011:15-17;&version=50;#fen-NKJV-28610a)] for a covering. 16 But if anyone seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God

[Goldfishgal]

Okay. Thanks. It was that verse that she gave me and I didn't really get it.

What about ear peircings?

[ronmathison]

Is it a sin to cut/dye your hair?

(Anything not done in faith is sin. -James)

[Tangnefedd]

Your body is yours to do with as you wish providing you are not hurting anyone else. If you want to shave off your hair, dye it or whatever, that is your choice!

[RedKnight]

Where does it say that you can not cut/or dye your hair I have never heard of such a thing

[RedKnight]

Now Tangnefedd you saying that you can cut your self if that what you wanted todo as long as you don't hurt any one is that what your saying?

[Tangnefedd]

I am saying that providing I don't use my body as a weapon what I choose to do with it is my business!

[Lynn73]

I don't think it's a sin, no.

[RedKnight]

So is not God's business is that what you are saying or am I hearing things

[Goldfishgal]

Well God gave you the body so its not technically yours right?

[Shannonkish]

I don't think it is but one of my friends says that it says you shouldn't do it in the Bible...

any help?

No.

[Shiby]

if it doesnt dishonour god, n doesnt hold u back from doing his will then surely theres nothin wrong with a few tatts or piercings, long hair, short hair, purple hair, no hair...wateva....god gave us our bodies but didnt he also give us a free will?

[PorcelainHeart]

I don't see how it's a sin, your not upseting GOD doing it. And it's not hurting anyone in the end.

[discernomatic]

I am not conscious of a scripture verse against cutting or dyeing hair. Putting permanent marks on the body, like tattoos, though, is mentioned negatively.

[Kelly]

No it's not.

I guess one could argue that if you are young enough to live in your parent's home and it's against their wishes, you're not honoring your mother and father if you do so.

[SteelDisciple]

I don't think it is but one of my friends says that it says you shouldn't do it in the Bible...

any help?

No. It's not a sin. Sometimes you'll meet "super-christian" types who call everything THEY don't like a sin or see Satan in everything they don't like...just ignore them. They're insane.

[Lasias]

no it's not ,i'd like to dye my hair

[ginzell]

I am saying that providing I don't use my body as a weapon what I choose to do with it is my business!

1co 6:13
Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
1co 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?





Well God gave you the body so its not technically yours right?

1co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
1co 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

[white_frog914]

I think the "the body is the Lord's temple" mostly referred to abstinence from drugs, alcohol, things that could physically damage the body. Also, exploiting your body, such as using it for prostitution, etc.

I'm pretty sure that dying your hair isn't going to damage your body unless you get one too many whiffs of ammonia...

[ginzell]

I think the "the body is the Lord's temple" mostly referred to abstinence from drugs, alcohol, things that could physically damage the body. Also, exploiting your body, such as using it for prostitution, etc.

I'm pretty sure that dying your hair isn't going to damage your body unless you get one too many whiffs of ammonia...


Tell that to my hair when it fell out.

[discernomatic]

No. It's not a sin. Sometimes you'll meet "super-christian" types who call everything THEY don't like a sin or see Satan in everything they don't like...just ignore them. They're insane. I'd have put this a bit differently, but I agree with you. :)

Some say to abstain completely from alcohol, but the bible does not contain one verse that says that to the believer. Jesus turned water into wine, and a man is to enjoy the fruits of his labor in the fields, this includes the fruit of the grape. At the time of Jesus pasteurization was unknown, and grape juice started fermenting within the hour in the heat. It was well into fermentation within a few days and contained alcohol enough by that time to call it an alcoholic drink. The only way to preserve it was to let it turn into wine, which is the way it was drunk most of the time. Also, the alcohol prevented organisms from growing in the wine. It contained no potential diseases or parasites which might be found in water. Jesus and his disciples had wine at the last supper, which was probably not an exception to the rule.

I think that if a person has a problem with alcohol, then he should not drink it and others that are his friends should not tempt him by drinking it in his presence. Paul told us not to tempt the "weak" by doing things in their presence that they feel they cannot or should not.

On the same note, I wouldn't dye my hair if it made me addicted to the dye or if I would be allergic to the chemicals. Cutting it certainly couldn't become an addiction either (or at least only one that is ended when there is no more hair to cut ;)). If someone you know is against cutting or dyeing the hair for religious reasons, then don't take him to the beauty shop with you.

[flyingsum0]

Simple answer: No

[dignitized]

Your body is yours to do with as you wish providing you are not hurting anyone else. If you want to shave off your hair, dye it or whatever, that is your choice! This is a terrible LIE to tell a youth! :doh:

1 - your body is not your own. It is Christs first.

2 - you are not free to do as you "wish" even if it does not hurt someone else. God commands many things which are not about doing harm to YOURSELF. REMEMBER - If you lust after someone in your heart or are angry in your heart you are guilty. Does either of these things hurt another? But they certainly hurt YOU.

3 - We are to submit ourselves to the word of God and the authorities in our lives - including our parents.

4 - We are to do what is right not what we desire.



ACK I can't believe the things some people will say. Becareful you do not lead one of His little ones astray. The penalties for this are terrible.

[linssue55]

I don't think it is but one of my friends says that it says you shouldn't do it in the Bible...

any help?

Of course it is not a sin....the only thing is, if you are married, your hair should be longer than your husbands.....if he is bald, you have it made..Lol

[Cooter]

I don't think it's a sin at all.

[Restayvien]

I am saying that providing I don't use my body as a weapon what I choose to do with it is my business!
I disagree.
Isn't it God's business?
Our bodies are temples, and we should use them to honour God. :)

[Tangnefedd]

My body is mine and God has absolutely nothing to do with it imo!

[mysparrow]

Be careful, By not giving God control of your life you are giving it to satan, even in saying it is your own choices to do what you want , if your not for Christ your against him, remember that he IS God and he gave us this life , while he also gave us free will, and the choice is ours to accept and follow him and obey, or not , there are consequences, and stiff ones for those who lead others astray in our carnality, i personally dont want the blood of someone to be required of me when i stand before him.

[Tangnefedd]

Nobody controls my life but me! The divine spark inside myself may have some influence, but no more. I am a very liberal Christian not a fundie!

[mysparrow]

Nobody controls my life but me! The divine spark inside myself may have some influence, but no more. I am a very liberal Christian not a fundie!


Im sorry you feel you have to be angry and defensive, Ill surely be praying for you.


Oh, and by the way, the "divine spark" inside you , his name is Jesus , not divine spark LOL;)

[Tangnefedd]

I guess you are trying to be kind but I find your post rather patronsing!

I believe whatever our idea of God is, that it comes from within rather than without. I don't expect you to agree with me, but then we all have different views on the subject which are equally valid imo!

[mysparrow]

I guess you are trying to be kind but I find your post rather patronsing!

I believe whatever our idea of God is, that it comes from within rather than without. I don't expect you to agree with me, but then we all have different views on the subject which are equally valid imo!

Then i ask forgiveness , for patronizing was not the way it was intended.

Let GOD be true and every man a liar .

[rocketboy]

nope i dont think it a sin to do any of these.

[whitedove7]

Cutting hair and dying hair has nothing to do with salvation. So, it is ok to die and cut your hair.

[dignitized]

My body is mine and God has absolutely nothing to do with it imo!OH? that is a position completely at odds with the scriptures. :(

1Co 3:16-17 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.


1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

1Co 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

EVERYTHING about you including your BODY is subject to GOD your humble or not so humble opinions aside.

[dignitized]

I guess you are trying to be kind but I find your post rather patronsing!

I believe whatever our idea of God is, that it comes from within rather than without. I don't expect you to agree with me, but then we all have different views on the subject which are equally valid imo! Is the view that the moon is made of green cheese equally valid as the TRUTH? Certianly not. And in the aspects of Spiritual truth - views that are at odds with the facts are NOT valid either. Relativism is straight from hell.

[Lynn73]

I guess you are trying to be kind but I find your post rather patronsing!

I believe whatever our idea of God is, that it comes from within rather than without. I don't expect you to agree with me, but then we all have different views on the subject which are equally valid imo!

If our idea of God just comes from within ourselves then it's wrong. God has revealed Himself to us through His word and the Person of Jesus Christ. It's this revelation of God that matters, not what we think. Also, yes God does have something to do with our bodies. He created them and there is a Scripture about offering our bodies up as living sacrifices. And God isn't a "divine spark." He's God and He sent Jesus Christ to die for our sins and be raised the third day. No offense intended, but I find that liberal Christians don't seem to believe what the Bible says for some reason.

[Tangnefedd]

If our idea of God just comes from within ourselves then it's wrong. God has revealed Himself to us through His word and the Person of Jesus Christ. It's this revelation of God that matters, not what we think. Also, yes God does have something to do with our bodies. He created them and there is a Scripture about offering our bodies up as living sacrifices. And God isn't a "divine spark." He's God and He sent Jesus Christ to die for our sins and be raised the third day. No offense intended, but I find that liberal Christians don't seem to believe what the Bible says for some reason.

In your opinion to which you are entitled, just as I am entitled to mine, which is just as valid as yours!

[Kelly]

Tang didn't use quotes so I thought someone hijacked her computer in that first paragraph!

[twistedsketch]

Some people I know use verse 15 to say a woman shouldn't cut their hair, ever.

But they seem to forget the next verse, 16 which to me, makes it clear that it is not a commandment to not cut your hair.
1 Corinthians 11:15-16 (New King James Version)

15 But if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2011:15-17;&version=50;#fen-NKJV-28610a)] for a covering. 16 But if anyone seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God
But no standard length is given here. So I would say cutting your hair is fine unless it's going to be dyke short. There is nothing against piercings or hair dye in the Bible.

Nobody controls my life but me! The divine spark inside myself may have some influence, but no more. I am a very liberal Christian not a fundie!
You've made it very obvious that Jesus is not your Lord. I'll let you take that up with Him, as you won't listen to any of us.

[Tangnefedd]

Why should I listen to any of you, as you have no more of the truth than I have!

The phrase 'dyke short' is offensive, and certainly not Christian!!!!!!

[twistedsketch]

Why should I listen to any of you, as you have no more of the truth than I have!

The phrase 'dyke short' is offensive, and certainly not Christian!!!!!!
Why should I care if it offends you, if I'm just as right as you are?

[holo]

We have free wills, and we're supposed to.

We're not to live by the law or the letter. God gave us brains for a reason. I suggest you don't live according to the letter, but the Spirit, and certainly not according to some legalist's interpretation of the bible. You are free, so be free. Do as you please.

It's utterly rediculous to say that God should have aything for or against your hair colour. It's not a God I would turn to, anyway. I prefer the God who became everyone's servant and who even died for my sake. He certainly didn't die for my hair.

Don't ask religious people for advice, because they simply don't put their heads, hearts and spirit to use, they have nothing but a highly personal interpretation of a book, and they miss the entire point of it.

[Tangnefedd]

'Dyke' is an offensive word used by unpleasant people to describe lesbians. If you are saying you are an unpleasant person then fair enough!

[Forest]

Why should I listen to any of you, as you have no more of the truth than I have!

Some ideas are mutually exlcusive and both can't be true at the same time.

[Lynn73]

If our idea of God just comes from within ourselves then it's wrong. God has revealed Himself to us through His word and the Person of Jesus Christ. It's this revelation of God that matters, not what we think. Also, yes God does have something to do with our bodies. He created them and there is a Scripture about offering our bodies up as living sacrifices. And God isn't a "divine spark." He's God and He sent Jesus Christ to die for our sins and be raised the third day. No offense intended, but I find that liberal Christians don't seem to believe what the Bible says for some reason.

In your opinion to which you are entitled, just as I am entitled to mine, which is just as valid as yours!

The fact that you always seem to be using exclamation points makes it seem as though you are hollering. We all have opinions but not all of them can be true because they are opposites of one another. None of our so called truths matter unless they agree with God's truth. Since He's God He ought to know what's true and what isn't. And if our opinions contradict His truth, then we're wrong. You seem like an angry person, I'll pray.

[savedbyfaithinchrist]

Ok then anyways i have a few tatoos i have dyed my hair and i have 4 earrings let me tell you something i dont think that i would have done them as a christian but i dont much think the lord is upset about it and im praying about getting another tat full back of a very sinfull world and our lord embrassing if the good book does tell us about these things but i think the sin of not telling a homeless man or even a powerfull man about our lord is what we need to worry about but the 1 true way is to PRAY god bless you

[dignitized]

In your opinion to which you are entitled, just as I am entitled to mine, which is just as valid as yours! HARDLY. Not all opinions can be valid. It's IMPOSSIBLE. many are mutually exclusive. Sally is of the opinion that they moon is made of green cheese. Billy believes that it is IMPOSSIBLE for it to be made of green cheese. Both opinions cannot be equally valid in that one has to be wrong.

Just because someone has an opinion does not make that opinion valid.

[dignitized]

Why should I listen to any of you, as you have no more of the truth than I have!

The phrase 'dyke short' is offensive, and certainly not Christian!!!!!!Offensive to who?

[dignitized]

'Dyke' is an offensive word used by unpleasant people to describe lesbians. If you are saying you are an unpleasant person then fair enough!they use the phrase to discribe themselves. :thumbsup:

[twistedsketch]

they use the phrase to discribe themselves. :thumbsup:
PWN3D!

[Bulldog]

PWN3D!

:D

[mysparrow]

Gods word is truth, you either believe it or you dont , you either obey it or you dont . Doesnt make you right , if God says one thing and you dont believe , as i said , Let God be true and every man a liar. Lots of people say they have valid reasons , doesnt make it the right thing in Gods eyes.

[Tangnefedd]

Gods word is truth, you either believe it or you dont , you either obey it or you dont . Doesnt make you right , if God says one thing and you dont believe , as i said , Let God be true and every man a liar. Lots of people say they have valid reasons , doesnt make it the right thing in Gods eyes.

God's word might be truth, if we knew what it was. The Bible is just a collection of people's flawed perception's of God. Blimey if we believed what the OT says about the old chap in the sky, then he comes over as the worst creature ever!

[dignitized]

Gods word is truth, you either believe it or you dont , you either obey it or you dont . Doesnt make you right , if God says one thing and you dont believe , as i said , Let God be true and every man a liar. Lots of people say they have valid reasons , doesnt make it the right thing in Gods eyes.

God's word might be truth, if we knew what it was. The Bible is just a collection of people's flawed perception's of God. Blimey if we believed what the OT says about the old chap in the sky, then he comes over as the worst creature ever! If the Bible is not to be trusted or believed - if the Bible is not inspired and infallible -what can you build your faith upon?

[dignitized]

PWN3D!:scratch:

[holo]

If the Bible is not to be trusted or believed - if the Bible is not inspired and infallible -what can you build your faith upon?That's just the thing - relationship with Jesus. Communication with God.

The people of the bible didn't merely rely on books, either. Paul, for example. He used to, but then He met the risen Christ, the same Jesus I and you (I presume) have met. Life does not spring from ink and paper, communication doesn't happen in a book. The book itself says we are to lve according to the Spirit, NOT the letter, that the SPIRIT will teach and guide us. It's this Spirit you must start seeking, instead of merely trying to interpret ancient testimonies of what God did in times past. It's not like He's dead and silent today. And He never promised us a book to live by, but rather His own Spirit. If you're helpless without the bible, you are indeed in deep trouble. If the bible is supposed to be your ultimate and final authority on anything and everything, you must feel lucky to be living in the quite few hundred years when it's been available to the common man.

You're not as helpless as you think. Not only have you been granted the gift of common sense, but also the very Spirit of God. If believe these two gifts are subjct to your interpretation of a translation of a version of a book... I dunno. I'd rather not be in your shoes, to be honest.

[dignitized]

That's just the thing - relationship with Jesus. Communication with God. But how do you know? How do you know that Jesus is God? How do you know how to have a relationship with Him?

[holo]

But how do you know? How do you know that Jesus is God? How do you know how to have a relationship with Him?Because I've met Him. There's no way an old book would somehow magically convince me of the truth of Jesus unless He had personally stepped down and revealed Himself to me in one way or another. That's how it begins, and that's how it ends. I will always relate directly to Him. Given, the bible may teach and inspire me, to the degree that God reveals Himself through that particular book, but when I want to know something, I ask Him, and He shows me - sometimes via the bible, sometimes via a sermon, a dream, a friend, you name it. It's not like He's limited to ink. And His will for us is to walk in freedom, not to be bound by our own interpretations. Which, IMO, the bible also clearly shows.

[mysparrow]

I believe the bible to be the inerrant word of God , given to men to write down, I am led by the Holy Spirit , but he teaches me through the word, as well as other means, and is consistant, not contradicting, unveiling Gods perfect plan. God tells me to study it, use it, it is my guidebook, led by the Holy Spirit in teaching .
If anyone chooses to not study it , then thats them. I choose to do as i feel God would have me do. The word of God is precious to me , and strengthening to read.

[Lynn73]

Gods word is truth, you either believe it or you dont , you either obey it or you dont . Doesnt make you right , if God says one thing and you dont believe , as i said , Let God be true and every man a liar. Lots of people say they have valid reasons , doesnt make it the right thing in Gods eyes.

God's word might be truth, if we knew what it was. The Bible is just a collection of people's flawed perception's of God. Blimey if we believed what the OT says about the old chap in the sky, then he comes over as the worst creature ever!


If you believe this, why do you consider yourself Christian? Christians believe the Bible is God's word and I'm guessing that you don't. :scratch: I find you to be truly puzzling.

[Tangnefedd]

I am a very liberal Christian, not a fundie. as such I pick and choose the parts of the Bible that seem reasonable, and reject the parts that aren't. Jesus seems like a good chap, on the whole and I think Christinaity suits me better than other faiths, but not the only way to God imo, so therefore I call myself a Christian. If others don't like that I am not in the least bit concerned, giving up caring what other folks think years ago!

[Bulldog]

:scratch:

Its an internet slang "word." It means the same thing as "Owned!"

[thenewageriseth]

I think it's okay. I mean I wouldn't cut mine, but I wanted to put streaks in it. I don't think it's a sin.

[dignitized]

Because I've met Him. There's no way an old book would somehow magically convince me of the truth of Jesus unless He had personally stepped down and revealed Himself to me in one way or another. That's how it begins, and that's how it ends. I will always relate directly to Him. Given, the bible may teach and inspire me, to the degree that God reveals Himself through that particular book, but when I want to know something, I ask Him, and He shows me - sometimes via the bible, sometimes via a sermon, a dream, a friend, you name it. It's not like He's limited to ink. And His will for us is to walk in freedom, not to be bound by our own interpretations. Which, IMO, the bible also clearly shows. There are no sermons with the bible - there is no objective record of truth without the bible.

[dignitized]

I am a very liberal Christian, not a fundie. as such I pick and choose the parts of the Bible that seem reasonable, and reject the parts that aren't. Jesus seems like a good chap, on the whole and I think Christinaity suits me better than other faiths, but not the only way to God imo, so therefore I call myself a Christian. If others don't like that I am not in the least bit concerned, giving up caring what other folks think years ago! you PICK AND CHOOSE? Reasonable?? rotfl! And what is REASONABLE about you saying this passage has to be true because I want it to be true but that this other verse I don't like - so it's NOT true! SO what make it TRUTH is your own desire?? How silly is that??

If one part of the bible is false - the rest of it must be suspect as well. FURTHER - Jesus must be suspect because he taught from the scriptures AND he believed them!

[mysparrow]

I am a very liberal Christian, not a fundie. as such I pick and choose the parts of the Bible that seem reasonable, and reject the parts that aren't. Jesus seems like a good chap, on the whole and I think Christinaity suits me better than other faiths, but not the only way to God imo, so therefore I call myself a Christian. If others don't like that I am not in the least bit concerned, giving up caring what other folks think years ago!

That said it all right there , no further discussion needed, ill just be praying for you. God is HOLY, and does not allow for pickandchoose theology, you either believe him or dont. We cant just take the parts that make us feel good and leave out the parts that convict us of sin. At the bottom of your posts i see a tag that says "proud to be a heretic" im sorry you feel that way, truly. :sigh:

[holo]

There are no sermons with the bible - there is no objective record of truth without the bible.Is the bible objective? Are we supposed to live according to a book instead of the very Spirit of life? Did Paul get a book? Did Jesus promise we'd get a book?

Objective standard? What about God Himself?

[dignitized]

Is the bible objective? Are we supposed to live according to a book instead of the very Spirit of life? Did Paul get a book? Did Jesus promise we'd get a book?

Objective standard? What about God Himself? Jesus IS the living Word - The WORD incarnate. Living by the Word - is living by Christ. hello?

[Tangnefedd]

Jesus IS the living Word - The WORD incarnate. Living by the Word - is living by Christ. hello?

In you opinion. As there is no proof of the that the stuff in the Bible is true, one might believe it to be so, but we don't know for sure!

[mark53]

I don't think it is but one of my friends says that it says you shouldn't do it in the Bible...

any help?

You have got to be kidding! If that is all one has to do then they should be doing things to spread the Gospel not trying to get clogged up with legalisms.

(By the way using anti - mould sprays are against Bible teaching as well! Mould is the presence of evil and must be got rid of by the Priest. Leviticus, I think!)

[JesusZone]

Noooooooooo...of course not...In the old testament, some rules do applied for the jews. But in the New testement, Jesus Christ is the head. If Jesus didn't say it, then its ok. Jesus Christ is very specifics about different things. If he know cutting your hair or dyle it is a sin, he would have add it in his teaching.

[dignitized]

Jesus IS the living Word - The WORD incarnate. Living by the Word - is living by Christ. hello?

In you opinion. As there is no proof of the that the stuff in the Bible is true, one might believe it to be so, but we don't know for sure! YES we do! :) And time and again it is proven. If you do not know for sure that is a lacking on YOUR part - not on the part of God or HIS revelation - the Scriptures.

[Tangnefedd]

YES we do! :) And time and again it is proven. If you do not know for sure that is a lacking on YOUR part - not on the part of God or HIS revelation - the Scriptures.There is NO proof only belief, BIG DIFFERENCE! God cannot be proven, we might believe in him but we cannot, and are never likely to prove his existance as a fact!

[dignitized]

YES we do! :) And time and again it is proven. If you do not know for sure that is a lacking on YOUR part - not on the part of God or HIS revelation - the Scriptures.There is NO proof only belief, BIG DIFFERENCE! God cannot be proven, we might believe in him but we cannot, and are never likely to prove his existance as a fact!rotfl! God most assuredly CAN be proven. :) Many have done just that. Thomas Aquinus did just that - he proved philosophically that God is real via reason. And he is notthe only one to do so.

FURTHER - the claims of Scripture have been proven over and again to be factual. :)

[thenewageriseth]

I am a very liberal Christian, not a fundie. as such I pick and choose the parts of the Bible that seem reasonable, and reject the parts that aren't. Jesus seems like a good chap, on the whole and I think Christinaity suits me better than other faiths, but not the only way to God imo, so therefore I call myself a Christian. If others don't like that I am not in the least bit concerned, giving up caring what other folks think years ago!

Hey, I agree with this philosophy. Can't get mad at that. I don't think the Bible is 100% correct, meself. Fundie as in fundamentalist, you mean? :) Fundamental, now that I think of it, is kinda boring...either that, or too strict, for some rules...are too strict.
:clap: :thumbsup:

I don't really like too many strict rules...I'm a non-conformist, anime loving, fantasy/fiction loving, magical girl loving 18 yr old. :)

[Tangnefedd]

Having been exposed to Pentecostal and fundamentalist thinking as a child, it put me off Christianity completely until I revisted my spirituality when I hit the BIG 50 in 2000. I now style myself a liberal Christian as that faith suits me better than others, but I certainly don't accept all of it by any means.

[dignitized]

Of course not. Liberals only accept those bits of the bible that conform to what they want to believe and ignore those bits that call for us to conform ourselves to what GOD says.

[thenewageriseth]

Well...it's like this...I don't really have a political party, (politics kinda bores me sometimes :P) but it's rules like Love your enemies, bless those who curse and/or persecute you...that makes this sista double take. :P

[Lynn73]

Hey, I agree with this philosophy. Can't get mad at that. I don't think the Bible is 100% correct, meself. Fundie as in fundamentalist, you mean? :) Fundamental, now that I think of it, is kinda boring...either that, or too strict, for some rules...are too strict.
:clap: :thumbsup:

I don't really like too many strict rules...I'm a non-conformist, anime loving, fantasy/fiction loving, magical girl loving 18 yr old. :)

Smorgasboard "Christianity." Making your own gospel.

[Tangnefedd]

The last books of the Bible were written 2000 years ago, then compiled into a book centuries later. How do we know if the translations are correct let alone what was put in and what was left out was right? There is still plenty of argument about this. It could very well be that some people base their faith on a total mistranslation. For instance, I believe that Joseph's coat should have been translated as 'long sleeves' not many colours. A fairly minor thing of course, but if they got that wrong, how much else?

Because the manuscripts written so long ago, it was in the dark ages where medicine and science were concerned, they knew no better and had to try to make sense of the world around them and that is fair enough. But it makes no sense at all for us, in the 21st century, to still be talking about demons and such like!

Belief is fine to a point, as long as one does not leave logic and commonsense at the door!

[Kelly]

You have a point, and we have a responsibility to research. There are many resources out there for people to use including concordances, lexicons, even scanned papyrus scrolls!

I also think that the apocrypha should be at least read for information.

[Tangnefedd]

Some of the stuff folk seem to accept as true just beggars belief. Just because they believe it to be in the Bible, it doesn't matter how silly or contradictory it is, they will swallow it! I find that very sad.

[mysparrow]

Tell that to God when you stand before him, just say God i just didnt think that rule was good , and so i just kinda chose what fit the way i felt at any given time, doesnt matter what YOU say, but oh yes, let me in , i love you! And the word says, he will say, Depart from me, i never knew you.

[Kelly]

Tang's beliefs may differ from yours or mine, but one thing I'm pretty certain she's never done is predicted someone's fate at Judgement.

[mysparrow]

Tang's beliefs may differ from yours or mine, but one thing I'm pretty certain she's never done is predicted someone's fate at Judgement.

Not trying to predict,, only God knows the heart, but according to the words that is what the word says , so shall we not warn?

[Tangnefedd]

Tang's beliefs may differ from yours or mine, but one thing I'm pretty certain she's never done is predicted someone's fate at Judgement.

Thanks for that. I certainly would never imply that anyone else was going to hell. I just don't see why some folk get so judgemental. Basically what we believe is our own business. I might be wrong in what I think, I have to bear that in mind, and so should everyone else. I get peed off when others presume to tell me how I should think and feel, never for one moment stopping to think if they are right!:mad:

[dignitized]

Some of the stuff folk seem to accept as true just beggars belief. Just because they believe it to be in the Bible, it doesn't matter how silly or contradictory it is, they will swallow it! I find that very sad.Nothing in the bible is silly or contradictory. Silly are those who think they know better than God - and contradict His word. WORSE is when they "claim" to follow Him and do that - NOW that's really silly.

[dignitized]

Tang's beliefs may differ from yours or mine, but one thing I'm pretty certain she's never done is predicted someone's fate at Judgement.

Thanks for that. I certainly would never imply that anyone else was going to hell. I just don't see why some folk get so judgemental. Basically what we believe is our own business. I might be wrong in what I think, I have to bear that in mind, and so should everyone else. I get peed off when others presume to tell me how I should think and feel, never for one moment stopping to think if they are right!:mad: What you believe is your business - UNTIL you start putting it out for the rest of us to see. THEN, according to scripture we are to correct error when we find it.

[thenewageriseth]

hmm...I say that the Bible doesn't seem to be 100% correct, cuz I wonder whether or not the person or persons responsible added something to it. Something different than what God really said. :scratch: hmm...

[mysparrow]

Tang's beliefs may differ from yours or mine, but one thing I'm pretty certain she's never done is predicted someone's fate at Judgement.

Thanks for that. I certainly would never imply that anyone else was going to hell. I just don't see why some folk get so judgemental. Basically what we believe is our own business. I might be wrong in what I think, I have to bear that in mind, and so should everyone else. I get peed off when others presume to tell me how I should think and feel, never for one moment stopping to think if they are right!:mad:

I do not presume to say you are going to hell, only God knows that, however, i am told if i see something that is contrary to what the word says i am supposed to say something about it as warning, if the word offends you, then take it up with God , i apologize if i have offended you in myself , it was not my intention, however, i stand on what the word says. If that offends you, i cant help that. It is because i do not desire anyone to be in that place of standing before God and him saying that to them, and when i stand before him i do not want it required of my hands for not telling someone the truth, which is Gods truth, not mine.

[Lynn73]

I do not presume to say you are going to hell, only God knows that, however, i am told if i see something that is contrary to what the word says i am supposed to say something about it as warning, if the word offends you, then take it up with God , i apologize if i have offended you in myself , it was not my intention, however, i stand on what the word says. If that offends you, i cant help that. It is because i do not desire anyone to be in that place of standing before God and him saying that to them, and when i stand before him i do not want it required of my hands for not telling someone the truth, which is Gods truth, not mine.


:thumbsup: :amen:

[dignitized]

hmm...I say that the Bible doesn't seem to be 100% correct, cuz I wonder whether or not the person or persons responsible added something to it. Something different than what God really said. :scratch: hmm... YOU wonder. DO you KNOW? Are you aware that manuscript evidence demonstrates that there are only minor deviations in the scriptures?

[VickiY]

It is not a sin to cut your hair, although the preferred mode is long for women. However, you have to look to your motives for so doing.

Are you, like one person I know, very intolerant of heat and can't stand the idea of long hair on the back of your neck? Or are you thinking that a certain haircut will look hot? Is vanity behind your thoughts? (No, I am not saying that grooming is bad, I am saying that vanity IS preached against.) Is it thinking, I think I'd look better as a blonde? Which effectively places your own opinion of your looks over God's choices for you.

Are you saying that funky coloured hair doesn't detract from your appearance as a Christian? (No, I'm not saying wear a suit everyday, or Little House on the Prairie cloths). Just, if you are sitting next to some old person on the subway, or similar, and you have an opportunity to talk to him about God, will your message be lost, overshadowed by your outward appearance? We live in a fallen world, and such things do matter. Speaking of that fallen world...is the reason simply to look more fashionable? If so, remember that we are called to live apart from worldly concerns.

On the whole, no, cutting hair isn't a sin, and dying it may not be either. It's only when sinful motives underly the action that the action becomes a sin, in this case.

[Tangnefedd]

What you believe is your business - UNTIL you start putting it out for the rest of us to see. THEN, according to scripture we are to correct error when we find it


:D :D :DYou are just SO funny. Anyone would think that you and the Biblical writers actually knew the mind of God, when of course you have no more idea than the rest of us!

[Andy Broadley]

I don't think it is but one of my friends says that it says you shouldn't do it in the Bible...

any help?

I don't honestly know if it';s a sin or not (although I suspect probably not).

But it's a blessing to still be young enough to have enough hair to have the problem with:D

[Tangnefedd]

It seems strange to me that with so many problems in this world that people can actually be asking a question like 'is it a sin to dye or cut your hair'? If it is actually a 'sin', which of course I don't believe for a second, then God has the problem, not us!

[Andy Broadley]

It seems strange to me that with so many problems in this world that people can actually be asking a question like 'is it a sin to dye or cut your hair'? If it is actually a 'sin', which of course I don't believe for a second, then God has the problem, not us!


To an extent I agree, but you need to look who posted the OP.

At 14 didn't your priorities differ to those you have now?

Mine sure did:)

[mysparrow]

What you believe is your business - UNTIL you start putting it out for the rest of us to see. THEN, according to scripture we are to correct error when we find it


:D :D :DYou are just SO funny. Anyone would think that you and the Biblical writers actually knew the mind of God, when of course you have no more idea than the rest of us!

Well the bible is pretty clear on most things, which you, being a liberal Christian as you professed to be wouldnt care about such , things as by your own mouth ,(or fingers as it were ) have stated you pick and choose which parts you believe. I have told you what the word says about the picking and choosing, its up to you to accept or not, but i have done what was required of me , so you will not be bothered with my posts anymore, im dusting the dust and just gonna pray for you.

[Andy Broadley]

Does the subjest matter of this discussion really warrent this level of seriousness?:)


As Jesus said, the harvest is ripe and the labourers are few.

The harvest will not be helped if the labourers are fighting amongst themselves.:preach:

[Kelly]

So true, Andy.

[Alchemist]

Hi Goldfishgal,

It is not a sin to cut or dye your hair :). God loves all people, regardless of their hair colour, skin colour, height, weight, sex, or race!

But the question really is, why do you want to cut (or dye) your hair? Although cutting your hair in itself is not a sin, if you are doing it for the wrong reasons it could be. For instance, if you live in a very hot area, and your long hair is very uncomfortable, then I don't think God is going to mind if you go for a shorter style :). Likewise, if you are dyeing your hair to raise money for a charity, or something similar, then God would probably be pleased! But if you are cutting or dying your hair because you want to be more popular, or you want to impress a guy at school, then you have to ask yourself; am I putting God first?

So no, cutting your hair is not a sin in itself, and neither is dyeing it. But if you are doing it for the wrong reasons, and you are putting something else above God when you do it, then it probably is a sin. Afterall, if God designed you with beautiful long hair of a certain colour, why would you want to change it? ;)

God bless,
Nick

[Tangnefedd]

Surely there can be no wrong reasons for cutting your hair, I cannot understand why anyone could possibly think it wrong to wear your hair the way you like it? I have my hair very short indeed because that is the way I like it. My son-in-law has his long and in a pony tail, because he likes it that way. The thought police who try to tell you what to wear, how to do your hair, whether you can have piercings and tattoos are incredibly silly and controlling. They need to get a life imo!

[Key]

No. It's not a sin. Sometimes you'll meet "super-christian" types who call everything THEY don't like a sin or see Satan in everything they don't like...just ignore them. They're insane.

I love this!

This is Pure Wisdom!

May God Bless You SteelDisciple

God Bless
Key

[Tangnefedd]

No. It's not a sin. Sometimes you'll meet "super-christian" types who call everything THEY don't like a sin or see Satan in everything they don't like...just ignore them. They're insane.

How true!

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[Redeemed_Warrior]

I don't find it a sin :)

[Andy Broadley]

Surely there can be no wrong reasons for cutting your hair, I cannot understand why anyone could possibly think it wrong to wear your hair the way you like it? I have my hair very short indeed because that is the way I like it. My son-in-law has his long and in a pony tail, because he likes it that way. The thought police who try to tell you what to wear, how to do your hair, whether you can have piercings and tattoos are incredibly silly and controlling. They need to get a life imo!

I might take a walk down to my local Christian book shop.

You can bet your life that somebody will have written a book about the Christian approach to hair styles;)

[BeachBlonde]

I think God has bigger issues with us than this simple act. I guess I am going to hell because I lighten my hair. Adios now.:wave: I don't think it is but one of my friends says that it says you shouldn't do it in the Bible...

any help?

[Tangnefedd]

You can bet your life that somebody will have written a book about the Christian approach to hair styles;)

Sad, but probably true!

[VickiY]

It seems strange to me that with so many problems in this world that people can actually be asking a question like 'is it a sin to dye or cut your hair'? If it is actually a 'sin', which of course I don't believe for a second, then God has the problem, not us!

What it shows is the desire to please God in all things. If we focus on Him for the small things in life, we aren't likely to lose touch with Him for the larger things. Again, it is our mindset behind our actions that can turn the commonplace to what we would call a sin. Please remember that the word "sin" does not mean "heinous crime against God and humanity". The Greek word is "amartia" which means "missing the mark". The mark that we are all aiming at is to become as much like Christ as it is possible for our fallen nature to be, and any action that does NOT bring us closer to Christ would be considered "amartia". I think that it is wonderful that the OP cares enough to ask this, or that her friend cared enough to tell her this.

[Tangnefedd]

We have no idea what pleases God, only man's idea of the deity's wishes!

[Kelly]

We have no idea what pleases God, only man's idea of the deity's wishes!

I disagree with this. We have the scriptures as our guide as to what pleases Him - mainly a broken spirit and a contrite heart.

[dignitized]

We have no idea what pleases God, only man's idea of the deity's wishes! ONLY if you are so foolish as to reject what God has said in Scripture :thumbsup:

[Theck3]

No its not a sin to die/cut your hair. Thats the most stupid thing Ive EVER heard and you clearly are a heathen and should be excommunicated.

[holo]

God wants people to be saved. That's his no. one priority. If He has do count the hairs on your head or shave it all off or dye it blue, that's what He'll do to get the chance to simply be with His creation.

It's such a shame that so many christians are so religious and legalistic as to not only shut the doors of heaven and their own church in the faces of their brothers and sisters -over hair and tattoos, no less-, they also alienate any unbeliever who's unfortunate enough to stumble across one of these insane discussions.

[dignitized]

The thing you are over looking holo is that once you do have that relationship with Him - he expectes you to persue holiness. :)

[holo]

The thing you are over looking holo is that once you do have that relationship with Him - he expectes you to persue holiness. :)I'm not overlooking it, but I believe we disagree on the means to the end - it is my belief that holiness is imputed, not earned or achieved.

[SteelDisciple]

We have no idea what pleases God, only man's idea of the deity's wishes!

Wow...you really think that? Then you ust have absolutely no connection to God at all. We have two major things to show us what pleases God. First is the Bible. God's Word...and the second is the unmistable presense of the Holy Spirit...which all we have to do is ASK and we will know. :)

[dignitized]

I'm not overlooking it, but I believe we disagree on the means to the end - it is my belief that holiness is imputed, not earned or achieved. Holiness is a state of being. Remember - faith without works is dead.

[holo]

We have two major things to show us what pleases God. First is the Bible. God's Word...and the second is the unmistable presense of the Holy Spirit...I think it's vital to get the order right here. Jesus promised a Spirit, not a book. While the book is good an useful, I will never hold it (or rather, my interpretation of one translation of one version of it) over what I believe the Spirit himself is communicating to me.

I believe the fact that so many people get this order wrong is the source of some of the greatest problems in the church today.

[holo]

Holiness is a state of being. Remember - faith without works is dead.I agree. It's about a state of being, an identity if you will - which IMO is exactly what salvation is all about to begin with; being saved means being God's child, and in that respect it has nothing to do with works or theology etc etc.

And yes, faith without works is dead. Or you could say that your works demonstrate what you truly believe. For example, when I see someone who are constantly trying to be holy enough/approvable to God and stuff like that, I know that they don't really believe they're saved by grace through faith - they believe they must add something. And when I meet people like me, I know their faith is centered in Jesus crucified and that His grace is sufficient in every way, from beginning to end :)

[dignitized]

I agree. It's about a state of being, an identity if you will - which IMO is exactly what salvation is all about to begin with; being saved means being God's child, and in that respect it has nothing to do with works or theology etc etc. What you do PRIOR to salvation has no effect on whether or not you recieve salvation. However, what you do AFTER you receive salvation is of the UTMOST importance.

And yes, faith without works is dead. Or you could say that your works demonstrate what you truly believe. For example, when I see someone who are constantly trying to be holy enough/approvable to God and stuff like that, I know that they don't really believe they're saved by grace through faith - they believe they must add something. And when I meet people like me, I know their faith is centered in Jesus crucified and that His grace is sufficient in every way, from beginning to end :)rotfl! That may well be true for some - but it is not the rule. Most people who try to live pleasing to God have no problem believing they are saved by grace through faith UNTO good works. :) Do not confuse trying to be conformed to Christ with lack of faith. Quite the contrary. It take a great deal of faith to put asside our own desires and our own will to do the will of the God in our lives.

[Tangnefedd]

Why is it that some people presume to tell others how to live their lives? Surely it is between them and their idea of God?

[dignitized]

Why is it that some people presume to tell others how to live their lives? Surely it is between them and their idea of God?THEIR IDEA of God???? God is not an IDEA. God is not one thing to this person and something else to another person. It does not matter one BIT what our ideas about God are! lol

[Tangnefedd]

Everyone has their idea of God, I think we create him/her in the image that suits us best just as the authors of the Bible did!

[dignitized]

Everyone has their idea of God, I think we create him/her in the image that suits us best just as the authors of the Bible did! We are created in HIS image. The problem comes when foolish people try to remake him into what we want HIM to be rather than accept what He has revealed HIMSELF to be through the Scriptures.

[Tangnefedd]

We are created in HIS image. The problem comes when foolish people try to remake him into what we want HIM to be rather than accept what He has revealed HIMSELF to be through the Scriptures.

If it makes you happy to think that fair enough, I would hate to force my views on you

[dignitized]

We are created in HIS image. The problem comes when foolish people try to remake him into what we want HIM to be rather than accept what He has revealed HIMSELF to be through the Scriptures.

If it makes you happy to think that fair enough, I would hate to force my views on you You couldn't POSSIBLY. BESIDES it's not about MY views or YOUR veiws - they just don't matter. GOD's views however do. And thank GOD we have his revelation.

[holo]

What you do PRIOR to salvation has no effect on whether or not you recieve salvation. However, what you do AFTER you receive salvation is of the UTMOST importance.Everything you ever do has consequences, saved or not.

I don't in any way agree that God raises the standard higher for the saved person, as in demanding more, or that the believer can actually live up to some perfect standard by his or her own efforts. But he who is forgiven much, loves much, and it is love that is to drive us and be the outward sign of our family tie with God and each other.

In any case, Jesus is the author AND perferctor of my faith, I am every bit as dependant on His grace now as when I first came to Him, He is the alpha and omega, He IS my righteousness, and HE will finish the work HE has begun. My own efforts don't come into play at any point. That's my faith anyway, and it certainly works for me.

rotfl! That may well be true for some - but it is not the rule. Most people who try to live pleasing to God have no problem believing they are saved by grace through faith UNTO good works. :) Do not confuse trying to be conformed to Christ with lack of faith. Quite the contrary. It take a great deal of faith to put asside our own desires and our own will to do the will of the God in our lives.I do see a lot of people, for example former junkies, who will accept and be accepted into Christ and the church on the sole basis of love and grace, but then after a while they get convinced that it's suddenly up to them to hold themselves up, to be holy and righteous, drug free, loving, strong, etc etc. No wonder why so many of them are falling back into drug abuse - God began a work in them, and they're trying to finish it in their own might. They try to accomplish with the flesh what was born and begun in and of the Spirit. And they often do so in their zeal to be "good christians" - that's the saddest part.

Yes, it does take faith, but even my faith is God's gift. My love, my desire to do good, my actual good works, my patience, my joy and my peace are all SOLELY a GIFT from GOD. It is not for me to achieve, but rather to accept. As Paul experienced, how could He NOT give us all things? Our problem isn't that we fail, but that we try to do God's job all the time.

Anyway, this is what has kept me free from drug addiction (my own efforts to quit invariably failed), and which is always and continually keeping me and guiding me and securing me. Not my own effort, intellect, zeal or faith, but Jesus and Jesus only.

Had I had the strenght and willpower to keep the "law" in any way, I would have attained the righteousness which does come by the law - self-righteousness. But my entire righteousness (and anything else at all which may be good about me) is God's gift, and it will always be God's gift. It has nothing to do with worthiness or lawkeeping or any other thing we humans try to do in order to be approvable.

[Tangnefedd]

Max, I am sure I couldn't, I have no wish to, why should I? You are obviously convinced that you have the whole truth and nothing but the truth, and you obviously don't have a shadow of doubt. If that makes you a happy bunny then good luck to you. We don't all see it your way, and that is fair enough too! :)

[heatherq17]

no, I dont think it is

[dignitized]

Everything you ever do has consequences, saved or not.

I don't in any way agree that God raises the standard higher for the saved person, as in demanding more, or that the believer can actually live up to some perfect standard by his or her own efforts. But he who is forgiven much, loves much, and it is love that is to drive us and be the outward sign of our family tie with God and each other.

In any case, Jesus is the author AND perferctor of my faith, I am every bit as dependant on His grace now as when I first came to Him, He is the alpha and omega, He IS my righteousness, and HE will finish the work HE has begun. My own efforts don't come into play at any point. That's my faith anyway, and it certainly works for me.

I do see a lot of people, for example former junkies, who will accept and be accepted into Christ and the church on the sole basis of love and grace, but then after a while they get convinced that it's suddenly up to them to hold themselves up, to be holy and righteous, drug free, loving, strong, etc etc. No wonder why so many of them are falling back into drug abuse - God began a work in them, and they're trying to finish it in their own might. They try to accomplish with the flesh what was born and begun in and of the Spirit. And they often do so in their zeal to be "good christians" - that's the saddest part.

Yes, it does take faith, but even my faith is God's gift. My love, my desire to do good, my actual good works, my patience, my joy and my peace are all SOLELY a GIFT from GOD. It is not for me to achieve, but rather to accept. As Paul experienced, how could He NOT give us all things? Our problem isn't that we fail, but that we try to do God's job all the time.

Anyway, this is what has kept me free from drug addiction (my own efforts to quit invariably failed), and which is always and continually keeping me and guiding me and securing me. Not my own effort, intellect, zeal or faith, but Jesus and Jesus only.

Had I had the strenght and willpower to keep the "law" in any way, I would have attained the righteousness which does come by the law - self-righteousness. But my entire righteousness (and anything else at all which may be good about me) is God's gift, and it will always be God's gift. It has nothing to do with worthiness or lawkeeping or any other thing we humans try to do in order to be approvable.

Luk 12:48 But he not knowing, and doing things worthy of stripes, will be beaten with few. And everyone given much, much will be demanded from him. And to whom much was deposited, more exceedingly they will ask of him.

[holo]

Luk 12:48 But he not knowing, and doing things worthy of stripes, will be beaten with few. And everyone given much, much will be demanded from him. And to whom much was deposited, more exceedingly they will ask of him.Well, if that means I'm somehow required to repay God, I may as well go home and die. You too.

It is He who works in us both to will and to do good things.

In any case, I will relate to the living Jesus I'm communicating and living with on a daily basis, there's no way you can change it by your interpretation (which I wouldn't agree with anyway) of a parable Jesus told His disciples.

BTW, in case you're implying that I happen to sin a lot or be reckless or less than zealous for God just because I rest solely on and in His grace, you'd be very mistaken. There does seem to be a common conception that those of us who reckon we aren't under law will lead immoral lives. It also seems quite common that those who imply these things never let our testimonies encourage them. That frustrates me, because I know many people are more busy being moral and "biblical" than human and compassionate.
Nothing personal toward you Max, and no offense.

[dignitized]

Well, if that means I'm somehow required to repay God, I may as well go home and die. You too. Who said anything about REPAYING?

It is He who works in us both to will and to do good things. And if He is in you - you should be doing good things and comporting yourself in that way.

In any case, I will relate to the living Jesus I'm communicating and living with on a daily basis, there's no way you can change it by your interpretation (which I wouldn't agree with anyway) of a parable Jesus told His disciples.

BTW, in case you're implying that I happen to sin a lot or be reckless or less than zealous for God just because I rest solely on and in His grace, you'd be very mistaken. There does seem to be a common conception that those of us who reckon we aren't under law will lead immoral lives. It also seems quite common that those who imply these things never let our testimonies encourage them. That frustrates me, because I know many people are more busy being moral and "biblical" than human and compassionate.
Nothing personal toward you Max, and no offense.Holo - the trick is to find the balance between law and grace. ALL grace is just as bad as all law. All grace makes His grace cheep and worthless just as all Law makes his grace of no effect. We have to recognize that the law IS still in effect or there would not be any such thing as SIN anymore - all would permissable - murder, idolitry, incest - the whole nine yards.

[holo]

Who said anything about REPAYING?Nobody, but I assumed that was what you were implying. What were you implying?

And if He is in you - you should be doing good things and comporting yourself in that way.He is in me, and yes I do.
Though I fell it would be more correct to say that it is HE who does it THROUGH me. I don't do good because I'm moral, but because I become more and more like Him by looking at Him and being with Him. It's a natural thing, I'm not trying to observe this or that, for example.

Holo - the trick is to find the balance between law and grace. ALL grace is just as bad as all law. All grace makes His grace cheep and worthless just as all Law makes his grace of no effect. We have to recognize that the law IS still in effect or there would not be any such thing as SIN anymore - all would permissable - murder, idolitry, incest - the whole nine yards.Actually, I find that law and grace is like oil and water. If I'm under law, I will be judged according to it, won't I? If there's this much law and that much grace, where is the line? What is God's standard? Where do I meet God? On the halfway? If it's not all grace then I, for one, am certainly doomed.

And "all grace" does certainly NOT make it "cheap." Quite the opposite!
When a person realizes it's all by grace from beginning to end, you'll see a love for God that the law could never produce (in fact, the law often kills our love for God because it makes us scared of him - the law can do nothing but condemn us).

And yes, all things are lawful to us, like Paul said. It's not like randomly killing anyone will ever be God's will, but if I do and I am under law, I will have to pay for it, right? So, if the law is still in effect, and we are still under it, we will be judged by it. That would include every little sin we ever did. If we are under law, we are hopeless. But of course, I neither steal or kill. Not because the commandment tells me so, and not because I consider myself to be under law, but because Jesus is transforming me on a daily basis. When I thought to be under the law, I was indeed a prisoner to things like lies, addiction, vanity, hate, self-contempt, theft, you name it.

[Lynn73]

Everyone has their idea of God, I think we create him/her in the image that suits us best just as the authors of the Bible did!

No, sir. God is the Author of the Bible and it reveals the truth about Him. I believe in the God revealed in His word, not a god of my own making.

[Tangnefedd]

No, sir. God is the Author of the Bible and it reveals the truth about Him. I believe in the God revealed in His word, not a god of my own making.


Prove it!!!! You can't because we only have belief, which is not proof!

[Lynn73]

I don't need to prove anything. You've already made up your mind. The Bible will be shown to be true in the end, wait and see. You are a very puzzling person to me.

[Tangnefedd]

I don't need to prove anything. You've already made up your mind. The Bible will be shown to be true in the end, wait and see. You are a very puzzling person to me.

My dear if you are happy in your beliefs that is fine with me. I hope to God the Bible doesn't prove to be true, because the God of the OT is a monster! Anyway as you say, we shall wait and see! :D

I am a puzzling person, I am daily puzzled by myself! My mother (81) still asks herself where she went wrong. :D As a Brit I am polishing up my eccentricities so no doubt folk will continue to be puzzled by me!!!:clap:

[dignitized]

Nobody, but I assumed that was what you were implying. What were you implying? I'm STATING that we should do what is right and attempyt to live a life that is pleasing in the eyes of God because we want to please God.

He is in me, and yes I do.
Though I fell it would be more correct to say that it is HE who does it THROUGH me. I don't do good because I'm moral, but because I become more and more like Him by looking at Him and being with Him. It's a natural thing, I'm not trying to observe this or that, for example. God works through OUR efforts.

Actually, I find that law and grace is like oil and water. If I'm under law, I will be judged according to it, won't I? and you will be judged according to the law. God judges each of us according to our works.If there's this much law and that much grace, where is the line? What is God's standard? Where do I meet God? On the halfway? If it's not all grace then I, for one, am certainly doomed. If it is all grace you dishonour Him and what he has done by acting as if everything is permissable.

And "all grace" does certainly NOT make it "cheap." Quite the opposite!
When a person realizes it's all by grace from beginning to end, you'll see a love for God that the law could never produce (in fact, the law often kills our love for God because it makes us scared of him - the law can do nothing but condemn us). lol Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Oh and the law also redeems us. It is through the law which allows a sacrifice of blood for the forgiveness of sin that we are saved from our sins.

And yes, all things are lawful to us, like Paul said. It's not like randomly killing anyone will ever be God's will, but if I do and I am under law, I will have to pay for it, right? YOU DO pay for all your sins. Christ paid the eternal cost of our sins - but there is another cost - the cost we owe to eachother and to society and to those injured. So, if the law is still in effect, and we are still under it, we will be judged by it. That would include every little sin we ever did. If we are under law, we are hopeless. Hopeless? Repent. You always have hope. You need only repent. Or do you think that that is not required for forgiveness?

[dignitized]

I hope to God the Bible doesn't prove to be true, because the God of the OT is a monster!

There is only ONE God. And you just called Him a monster. :sigh: Because you have made up your mind and cannot see the mercy of what he did - you call him a monster?

Now there's wisdom for you.:doh:

[Tangnefedd]

And what mercy did the God of the OT show to any of his victims? If he didn't like what they did he had a temper tantrum and zapped them, like a spoilt child!! Nice deity, NOT!!!!!!!:mad:

[holo]

I'm STATING that we should do what is right and attempyt to live a life that is pleasing in the eyes of God because we want to please God.Ah, OK. I guess what divides us is our views on what is pleasing to God.

God works through OUR efforts.I disagree. I can't offer God anything. When I love someone, it's HIS love that shines through me. Anything good I ever do is from, and by, Him. I figure my life with Jesus is much like the way He saved me - if you're drowning you must relax and trust the life guard to get you to shore. If you start struggling and wiggling you only make it harder for him. The good works that I do are prepared by Him beforehand.

and you will be judged according to the law. God judges each of us according to our works.I'm sure there are degrees of reward in heaven, treasures if you will. But I will not be judged according to my works like someone who is not a child of God will. I am His child, therefore I will inherit heaven and eternal life, not earn it or deserve it.

If it is all grace you dishonour Him and what he has done by acting as if everything is permissable.No, I'm just taking His word for it. He wants me to be free. And yes, I do act as if everything is permissible. That doesn't mean I'm using my freedom to sin, though. It is not the law that keeps me in check, it's love.

lol Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.Yes, but "fear of God" doesn't mean being afraid of Him. He's my dad.

Oh and the law also redeems us. It is through the law which allows a sacrifice of blood for the forgiveness of sin that we are saved from our sins.I guess you could say that, but more than that, it is His LOVE that redeems us. It's not a law that binds God to save us, it's His love. And His blood is an eternal, sufficient, continous sacfrifice for us.

YOU DO pay for all your sins. Christ paid the eternal cost of our sins - but there is another cost - the cost we owe to eachother and to society and to those injured.I see your point, but this isn't always true. For example, He has redeemed me from paying the price for hurting people and stealing things.

Hopeless? Repent. You always have hope. You need only repent. Or do you think that that is not required for forgiveness?I believe forgiveness has already been given. It's not up to us to make Him produce it, but to accept it, recieve it. He died for me before I was even born.

[dignitized]

And what mercy did the God of the OT show to any of his victims? If he didn't like what they did he had a temper tantrum and zapped them, like a spoilt child!! Nice deity, NOT!!!!!!!:mad:Boy are you in for a rude awakening. :eek: If you would be so kind - let your mother know she has our sympathy.

[Tangnefedd]

Boy are you in for a rude awakening. :eek: If you would be so kind - let your mother know she has our sympathy.

My dear laddie (I have a daughter older than you, so I will call you that! :D ) do you ever stop and think that you might just possibly be wrong and it will be you that might have a rude awakening one day?

[Lynn73]

Br. Max, this seemingly angry person isn't going to listen. Best we can do is pray.

[Lynn73]

I am a puzzling person, I am daily puzzled by myself! My mother (81) still asks herself where she went wrong. :D As a Brit I am polishing up my eccentricities so no doubt folk will continue to be puzzled by me!!!:clap:



My sympathies to your mother.

[Tangnefedd]

Br. Max, this seemingly angry person isn't going to listen. Best we can do is pray.

:D How patronising. I am not angry at all, just rather sad, that some fundamentalists think they have it all sewn up, when I suspect that is far from the truth!

[linssue55]

I don't think it is but one of my friends says that it says you shouldn't do it in the Bible...

any help?No....it is NOT.

[dignitized]

Boy are you in for a rude awakening. :eek: If you would be so kind - let your mother know she has our sympathy.

My dear laddie (I have a daughter older than you, so I will call you that! :D ) do you ever stop and think that you might just possibly be wrong and it will be you that might have a rude awakening one day? **I** may well be wrong, but I have the rock of scripture to stand upon and support what I profess. YOU stand in the sand of your own desires. I'll take rock over sand anyday.

[dignitized]

Br. Max, this seemingly angry person isn't going to listen. Best we can do is pray.

:D How patronising. I am not angry at all, just rather sad, that some fundamentalists think they have it all sewn up, when I suspect that is far from the truth!Enlighten us oh "wise" one. Tell us what the fundies have wrong. What parts of the bible are too fantastic to be believeable? The virgin Birth? The resurrection? What is so wrong with the scriptures?

[Kelly]

There is only ONE God. And you just called Him a monster. :sigh: Because you have made up your mind and cannot see the mercy of what he did - you call him a monster?

Now there's wisdom for you.:doh:

Regardless of our p.o.v.'s, Tang's concept that the "OT God" is a monster is a view shared by a lot of people on both sides of the salvation fence. We as Christians need to have solid, understandable "layman's terms" answers to misunderstandings like this, and be ready to show people why God worked the way he worked back then and how he is yet unchanging. Agree?

[Tangnefedd]

Where is the mercy in the OT?

Regardless of our p.o.v.'s, Tang's concept that the "OT God" is a monster is a view shared by a lot of people on both sides of the salvation fence. We as Christians need to have solid, understandable "layman's terms" answers to misunderstandings like this, and be ready to show people why God worked the way he worked back then and how he is yet unchanging. Agree?

If people actually read what is in the Bible without a preconceived idea of God, then many will read it as I do. The OT is full of sex and violence with God being made the excuse for the most disgusting of deeds. He comes over as a hateful creature. As for the NT, well we only have the Gospel writers' word for the life of Jesus, probably based on some facts, but it could well be hyped. I don't know what I think about the so called 'virgin birth' or the resurrection, these are subjects on which I haven't yet made up my mind.

My thinking at the moment is, did God rape Mary? Unlikely! So she probably got pregnant in the usual way. The Crucifixtion all seemd so unnecessarily violent and in tune with a monster God. Is it possible that when Jesus was executed for getting up the noses of the political chiefs of the day, his supporters put around the resurrection story to make the best of a bad job? I am not saying any of that is so, but it has to be a possibility?

Some fundamentalists seem so afraid to question what is in the Bible, they seem able to accept the unacceptable, because everything that God does is right and for a reason. Oh come on, if it is wrong it is wrong, even if commited by God!

When I come onto these message forums and see how Americans fundamentalist Christians, who make up the majority of the posters, are thinking, I find it frightening. I am very thankful I live in a country where politics and religioin are not mixed in an unholy cess pool as would appear to be the case in the US!

[PorcelainHeart]

I never had GOD in question, I truly believe he is real. I have the bible in question. I never believed it was 100% true because it's been written by so many authors and so many times. It was also written by men who GOD knows very well lie and sin. I believe some of the bible holds truth but not all. I think it's silly that people think cutting and dying you're hair is a sin. GOD never said it was sinful even in the bible. GOD just wants us to look beyond physical beauty. He wants us to see the beauty within our heart and soul. That is what true beauty is. My belief in GOD is based on my love and belief in him. I believe love is very important we should even love our enemies. My belief in GOD is more important then the church, the bible and condeming. I believe that stuff can sometimes hurt our love for GOD and others. I think GOD just wants us in this life to help and love others. We also need to protect and love the earth. I think love is missing very much even in the christian world. now anyways, I believe no one has it all right or knows who truly GOD is. I don't think we will know who GOD is until we die. I believe we need to accept everyones beliefs because the beliefs might be right and the other beliefs might be wrong. Only GOD knows the truth. I must ask for people not to jump me with a bunch of questions, it really confuses me.

I believe GOD gave me a very big rock to stand on, I feel he blessed me with great love and understanding for others. I don't need any book to prove my love for GOD or the truth in my beliefs.

[Tangnefedd]

Marmalade Girl, what you say makes sense to me.:)

[PorcelainHeart]

Marmalade Girl, what you say makes sense to me.:)


Thank you, I didn't know how much of it made sense, since I haven't been sleeping right. I just believe GOD is love and that is it. I don't think he is judgemental, wrathful and cruel. Love is neither of those things.

[Tangnefedd]

Sorry you haven't been sleeping properly have you some stuff on your mind?

[PorcelainHeart]

I have tons on my mind, way too much.

[dignitized]

Where is the mercy in the OT?

If people actually read what is in the Bible without a preconceived idea of God, then many will read it as I do. Oh baloney! You are most ASSUREDLY reading it with a preconceived notion that Love and mery are all hearts and flowers! You cannot see the Mercy of God in the OT because you cannot find the mush and touchey-feely claptrap you have come to believe is God's love. The OT is full of sex and violence with God being made the excuse for the most disgusting of deeds. RIGHT . . . . and um . . . full of sex? what constitues full of sex? And when the sex occurs - because it does occur even in life today since it's the only way we have to make NEW people - oh which side is God? Is he on the side of those who try to cheapen and degrade sex? Or is God on the side of those who do what is right? He comes over as a hateful creature. Hateful? Says YOU! I see His love all over the OT. Love for Israel - love for those who obey Him - love for those who do rightAs for the NT, well we only have the Gospel writers' word for the life of Jesus, probably based on some facts, but it could well be hyped. I don't know what I think about the so called 'virgin birth' or the resurrection, these are subjects on which I haven't yet made up my mind. UM - well doesn't that speak volumes. YOU haven't made up YOUR mind!?

My thinking at the moment is, did God rape Mary? Unlikely! So she probably got pregnant in the usual way. The Crucifixtion all seemd so unnecessarily violent and in tune with a monster God. Is it possible that when Jesus was executed for getting up the noses of the political chiefs of the day, his supporters put around the resurrection story to make the best of a bad job? I am not saying any of that is so, but it has to be a possibility? You really should talk with the staff about these beliefs of yours. I'm sure they would be very interested.

Some fundamentalists seem so afraid to question what is in the Bible, they seem able to accept the unacceptable, because everything that God does is right and for a reason. Oh come on, if it is wrong it is wrong, even if commited by God! BUT you forget - GOD cannot do wrong. If it seems to you that God has done wrong, you need to look at things again because YOU are seeing them wrong.

When I come onto these message forums and see how Americans fundamentalist Christians, who make up the majority of the posters, are thinking, I find it frightening. I am very thankful I live in a country where politics and religioin are not mixed in an unholy cess pool as would appear to be the case in the US! AND you are exactly what I have come to expect from the unholy cess pool of a state run religion.

[Kelly]

Chill out. I disagree with most everything Tang says but there is no need to get into a spat over it.

[PorcelainHeart]

I think that is very mean for you to say, Max. She has every right to her opinion and I feel you have no right to attack her. She is just as holy as you. GOD shine the light for everyone. For all you know she might be right, we need to understand and accept her beliefs instead of condeming them. Accepting is very important almost as important as love. Even GOD said accept people as I accept you. Not everyone is going to share your belief.

[dignitized]

I think that is very mean for you to say, Max. She has every right to her opinion and I feel you have no right to attack her. She is just as holy as you. GOD shine the light for everyone. For all you know she might be right, we need to understand and accept her beliefs instead of condeming them. Accepting is very important almost as important as love. Even GOD said accept people as I accept you. Not everyone is going to share your belief. Doing what is right is not about FEELINGS. Do you agree with her that the virgin birth is a lie? If so please say so publically.

[dignitized]

Chill out. I disagree with most everything Tang says but there is no need to get into a spat over it. This is not a spat - this is error and lies being rebuked.

[Kelly]

There's a lot of wisdom in Proverbs about whom to rebuke. Also, none of us know each other 'for real' here, we don't know each other's backgrounds, what's happened to us in forming our personal relationships with God.

When presented with differing views, even if you feel ours are backed up by scripture, we need to educate not rebuke. Instead of calling someone's thoughts claptrap, point them in the right direction scripturally. If they don't listen, shake the dust from your sandals and leave.

[Tangnefedd]

This is not a spat - this is error and lies being rebuked.

Oh sunshine you are SO funny:D

BTW, A friend and I are starting a book about Christian forums, Maxie, sweetie, we will have a character based on you, so keep it up, I need plenty of material!:kiss:

[dignitized]

This is not a spat - this is error and lies being rebuked.

Oh sunshine you are SO funny:D

BTW, A friend and I are starting a book about Christian forums, Maxie, sweetie, we will have a character based on you, so keep it up, I need plenty of material!:kiss: Oh please do. I'll be keeping this post and unless I get royalties, I'll sue :D

[PorcelainHeart]

I think this fighting is silly. A belief is a belief and I think it's dumb to fight over. No one is making you change your beliefs to suit their beliefs. I think we should all get along it's only an online forum.

[Tangnefedd]

Well keep up the spiritual intimidation then and we will see what we can do! :D

[dignitized]

Well keep up the spiritual intimidation then and we will see what we can do! :D Spiritual intimidation? You have PUBLICALLY confessed that you deny the virgin birth and the bodily resurrection of Christ as to fantastic to be believed - 2 key tenants of the Christian faith and yet you persist in calling yourself a Christian. I'm only pushing for HONESTY! :)

[dignitized]

I think this fighting is silly. A belief is a belief and I think it's dumb to fight over. No one is making you change your beliefs to suit their beliefs. I think we should all get along it's only an online forum. You dodged the question I asked you.

[thenewageriseth]

Yeah I agree with what Tang and Marmalade with their beliefs that 100% of the Bible doesn't seem all correct. No it doesn't. I'm sure somebody put their own obscure ideas in there (like loving thy enemies) for their own kicks. So don't hate, celebrate! :P

P.S. My character Kenyatta has purple-violet plum dyed hair and she's a Christian in a Christian series! :D

[PorcelainHeart]

Because I'm like that, i really don't like to be question. People who are very close to me know why I am like that. I'm through with this thread anyways I'm sick of all the cruel words everyone is saying and the abuse. I really don't want to be apart of stuff like that. I believe we should all get along, because in the end we are all the same. GOD loves us all, and dying you're hair is ok. I wouldn't mind dying mine black violet or something like that. I like pretty colors.

[thenewageriseth]

Ooh..I would love to put streaks in me hair, but mom won't let me :|

[PorcelainHeart]

Streaks are nice, I want some pink streaks!! I love pink!!

[thenewageriseth]

Me too :D ^_^ Kenya's hair is purple!
http://www.christianforums.com/t1922750-immaculate-angel-kenya-aka-kenyatta-shifre.html

[*Starlight*]

I think there's nothing wrong with dying your hair. It can look pretty! I don't dye my hair only because it's still considered to be wrong when a guy does that... at least here where I live. But I think everyone should accept that some people like it. It doesn't hurt anyone and it can be pretty, so it's good. People should be allowed to express their individuality in various ways.

[*Starlight*]

Me too :D ^_^ Kenya's hair is purple!
http://www.christianforums.com/t1922750-immaculate-angel-kenya-aka-kenyatta-shifre.html
I love it! :) Did you draw the pic? :)

[Tangnefedd]

For a laugh I dyed my hair purple a few months ago, taking care to use a wash in, wash out dye. I was taking bets that my husband, who is very unobservant, wouldn't notice! Sure enough it was about an hour before he realised there was something different about me!!! :D

[Kelly]

I've been blinded by cutesy sig images! :)

[*Starlight*]

For a laugh I dyed my hair purple a few months ago, taking care to use a wash in, wash out dye. I was taking bets that my husband, who is very unobservant, wouldn't notice! Sure enough it was about an hour before he realised there was something different about me!!! :D
Wow! He really is not very observant. :D And I love purple, I'm sure it looked great! :)

[Tangnefedd]

No my husband isn't very observant, unless a nubile female cross his path, then of course he notices!!! :D

[dignitized]

I've been blinded by cutesy sig images! :) The whole cutest huggy huggy hearts and flowers crap is enough to make one puke.:sick: Thank GOD for firefox and ADBLOCK. :)

[dignitized]

I wonder if any of the staff know that there are so many people here who deny the basic tenants of the faith but are wearing Christian icons.

[Truth2194]

Your body is yours to do with as you wish providing you are not hurting anyone else. If you want to shave off your hair, dye it or whatever, that is your choice!

So suicide wouldn't be a sin? What if hurting/defacing your body hurts God (an insult to his perfect creation)? Then it wouldn't just be your business.

I am just playing devil's advocate here. I have an eyebrow piercing, which I don't think is a sin, because I like the way it looks, I like to express my individuality by having something that distinguishes me from most other people, and whenever I choose to take it out, it will just heal and look as good as new anyway. Where's the harm in that? :confused:

[PorcelainHeart]

I think I have every right to be a christian, only GOD can judge me if I truly am. Words do hurt me, but I will try to ignore them, but sometimes it's hard.

[Truth2194]

So suicide wouldn't be a sin? What if hurting/defacing your body hurts God (an insult to his perfect creation)? Then it wouldn't just be your business.

I am just playing devil's advocate here. I have an eyebrow piercing, which I don't think is a sin, because I like the way it looks, I like to express my individuality by having something that distinguishes me from most other people, and whenever I choose to take it out, it will just heal and look as good as new anyway. Where's the harm in that? :confused:

Sorry, I had no idea that the topic of piercing, tattoos, hair dye was lost so long ago.

[thenewageriseth]

I love it! :) Did you draw the pic? :)

Yes thank you! Just look thru Christian Gallery drawings, where that came from and you'll see more of my pics!

[thenewageriseth]

For a laugh I dyed my hair purple a few months ago, taking care to use a wash in, wash out dye. I was taking bets that my husband, who is very unobservant, wouldn't notice! Sure enough it was about an hour before he realised there was something different about me!!! :D

ALL RIGHT! Go non-conformist! It's your birthday! *dances* :clap:

[SteelDisciple]

It's a good thing the bible never says Come As You Are....or else this discussion wouldn't even be something we need to talk about :)

oh wait..it DOES say that.......;)

[Lynn73]

I wonder if any of the staff know that there are so many people here who deny the basic tenants of the faith but are wearing Christian icons.

Interesting observation. I'm wondering the same thing. How so many canuse the Christian icon, yet everything they seem to say denies it. :scratch:

[Lynn73]

Yeah I agree with what Tang and Marmalade with their beliefs that 100% of the Bible doesn't seem all correct. No it doesn't. I'm sure somebody put their own obscure ideas in there (like loving thy enemies) for their own kicks. So don't hate, celebrate! :P

P.S. My character Kenyatta has purple-violet plum dyed hair and she's a Christian in a Christian series! :D

Here is another one who apparently doesn't believe that all of the Bible is correct and think that people added what they wanted. And who gets to pick what is and isn't correct? Or does each person just use it like a smoragasboard and pick out what they like and ignore the rest? I think it's nonsense. Not to mention very sad that we have people today proclaiming themselves Christians and they don't even accept the infallibility and innerancy of the word of God. It all goes downhill after that imho.

[dignitized]

I think I have every right to be a christian, only GOD can judge me if I truly am. Words do hurt me, but I will try to ignore them, but sometimes it's hard. EVERYONE can be a Christian - but not everyone who claims to be a Christian is one. There are many things which are cardinal tenants of the faith. If you deny the divinity of Christ - there is no way that you are a Christian. If you deny the bodily resurrection of Christ - then calling yourself a Christian is for naught! Without his sacrificial death and resurrection - Christ was just another man.

http://www.reformed.org/documents/icbi.html

[dignitized]

It's a good thing the bible never says Come As You Are....or else this discussion wouldn't even be something we need to talk about :)

oh wait..it DOES say that.......;) COME as you are - but does it say STAY as you are once you get there? FURTHER - is there not an admonition that we are to come to the wedding feast properly atired??

[dignitized]

Interesting observation. I'm wondering the same thing. How so many canuse the Christian icon, yet everything they seem to say denies it. :scratch:I'll have to talk with one of the administrators about this.

[Lynn73]

Thank you, I didn't know how much of it made sense, since I haven't been sleeping right. I just believe GOD is love and that is it. I don't think he is judgemental, wrathful and cruel. Love is neither of those things.

Then you evidently don't believe His word in which He reveals Himself and the fact that love is NOT the only aspect of His nature. Look at the cross, His love and His wrath toward sin are shown right there. Have you forgotten His absolute holiness, pureness, righteousness, and hatred of sin? You make a big mistake trying to separate God from His word. You end up making up a god to your own liking, an ooey gooey lovey god and nothing more. This isn't the God of the Bible. It's a god of your own making, a false god.

[Lynn73]

I'll have to talk with one of the administrators about this.

:thumbsup:

[*Starlight*]

Yes thank you! Just look thru Christian Gallery drawings, where that came from and you'll see more of my pics!
I think you're very good at drawing. :) And you like anime, I like it too! :)

[*Starlight*]

Here is another one who apparently doesn't believe that all of the Bible is correct and think that people added what they wanted. And who gets to pick what is and isn't correct? Or does each person just use it like a smoragasboard and pick out what they like and ignore the rest? I think it's nonsense. Not to mention very sad that we have people today proclaiming themselves Christians and they don't even accept the infallibility and innerancy of the word of God. It all goes downhill after that imho.
Sorry, but the Bible isn't the word of God. Jesus is described as the Word (Logos) of God in the Bible. :)

[Tangnefedd]

I have a right to use the icon because I am a liberal Christian, I am not a fundamentalist, I never claimed to be. I have always been upfront about my views. I write a weekly article for a Christian web site, nobody objects to it. But then thank God I am a Brit, I live in a country where one can be a Jedi Knight (I believe there is such a religion!) and nobody will bat an eyelid!

But as my views are clearly unwelcome on this area of the board I shall confine myself to the other open section and leave you all to play in peace!