New mark of the beast/mark of God evedence discovered!

[kingisjesus]

This is the alphabet in multiples of six.

A6-----B12-----C18-----D24-----E30-----F36-----G42-----H48-----I54-----J60-----K66-----L72-----M78-----N84-----O90-----P96-----Q102-----R108-----S114-----T120-----U126-----V132-----W138------X144-----Y150----Z156

CORRUPT 18+90+108+108+126+96+120=666

WITCHCRAFT 138+54+120+18+48+18+108+6+36+120=666

COMPUTER 18+90+78+96+126+120+30+108=666

__________________________________________________________________________

This is the alphabet in multiples of seven.

A7-----B14-----C21-----D28-----E35-----F42-----G49-----H56-----I63-----J70-----K77-----L84-----M91-----N98-----O105-----P112-----Q119-----R126-----S133-----T140-----U147-----V154-----W161-----X168-----Y175-----Z182

A FREE GRACE GIFT: 7+42+126+35+35+49+126+7+21+35+49+63+42+140=777

ONE CHRIST: 105+98+35+21+56+126+63+133+140=777

PERFECTION:112+35+126+42+35+21+140+63+105+98=777

______________________________________________________________

I do not think this to be the marks of God or the beast, but I do believe that God uses this as a way to let us know what the marksmean and do.

Let us look at the meanings.

First of the sixes.

Corrupt: The mark will be corrupt.

Witchcraft: It will alter perception of reality. Witchcraft means to bend reality. Now, reality can not be bent outside of God, so it is the perception that is, or will be, bent.

COMPUTER: It will be some kind of computer related device.

Conclusion: It might be some kind of corrupt computer related device that alters mans perception of reality. Or maybe it is the media in general that will alter perception of reality. Maybe it is movies with all the computer generated images that will fill the minds of people with false beliefs of reality.

The point is this: I do not know what the mark of the beast is. I am not prophesying anything. I believe that when we see it, we will know what it is easer because of this chart.

Now let us look at the sevens.

A FREE GRACE GIFT: The mark of God is a free grace gift.

PERFECTION: "HE HAS PERFECTED FOREVER THOSE WHO ARE BEING MADE HOLY" With this bible quote in mind, I say this perfection is a part of this free grace gift.

ONE CHRIST: There is only one Christ, and that is Jesus. The mark of God is given to those who belong to Jesus Christ.

Conclusion: According to the new testament, the mark of God is The Holy Spirit of God that is given to live in us, because of the perfecting work that Jesus accomplished on the cross for all of those who put their faith in the One Christ who is Jesus Christ.

The Holy Spirit is a free grace gift that is given to those who put their full trust in Jesus Christ. His acts and deeds have ensured our redemption and perfection. Through his Holy life, we are without spot because we are in him.

Any opinions on this?

[SteelDisciple]

There's one flaw in that theory...


Someone is assuming that God put info in the bible that only people with the American alphabet would uncover. =P

Somehow I don't think the original translation would follow these rules...

[twistedsketch]

There's one flaw in that theory...


Someone is assuming that God put info in the bible that only people with the American alphabet would uncover. =P

Somehow I don't think the original translation would follow these rules...
That's right, Greek and Latin have less letters in their alphabets.

Whatever happens will happen, and we will know it when we see it. The beast's blasphemies will be so obvious a blind man could see through them.

[Reazzurro90]

The time for the mark of the beast is so close...

[tel0004]

So close, yes, but I believe in Pre-trib rapture, so I wont be there, howerver if there isnt infact pre trib rapture, or a rapture at all, then im ready for a fight.

[LilAngelHeart]

Interesting theory. :) :angel:

[pobe]

Of course, with numbers, you can do basically anything you want.

[Macano]

There's one flaw in that theory...


Someone is assuming that God put info in the bible that only people with the American alphabet would uncover. =P

Somehow I don't think the original translation would follow these rules...

Exactly. It's all rubbish.

[Vaudois]

God's not a numerologist, friends. He uses some numbers, but only the Spirit can explain it, if He is allowed to live within.

"blasphemous that even the blind can see"??? Than Satan is stupider than we thought! What about "deceiving the elect, if possible", and the hundreds of warnings for the saved to be "with oil in their lamps and staying awake" in case a false "Christ" is heralded?

The devil is a Bible expert, knows God is right, but is so insane with hatred for Christ that even knowing all of this kept His love from ever reaching him.

Be careful: the easiest trick is for him to use the Word against you, as he attempted to do to the Lord in the Wilderness Temptation.

[sent one]

Double posted

[sent one]

There's one flaw in that theory...


Someone is assuming that God put info in the bible that only people with the American alphabet would uncover. =P

Somehow I don't think the original translation would follow these rules...

So very true! What about the BILLIONS of people who do not speak English and do not have the latin alphabet???

Does this work in Zulu, in Mende, in Temde, in Russian, German, Polish, Mandurin, Arabic, etc.???

Or does God only communicate with Americans who even spell things differently than the British.

No matter what you believe about the end times... it would be very wise to be spending your time now loving God and loving your neighbor! Be about the Father's Business and all shall ultimately be well!

God bless

sent one

[Vaudois]

So very true! What about the BILLIONS of people who do not speak English and do not have the latin alphabet???

Does this work in Zulu, in Mende, in Temde, in Russian, German, Polish, Mandurin, Arabic, etc.???

Or does God only communicate with Americans who even spell things differently then the British.

No matter what you believe about the end times... it would be very wise to be spending your time now loving God and Loving your neighbor!

God bless

sent one

Amens all around!
How are matters in Liberia these days? Always wanted to go there.

[sent one]

Amens all around!
How are matters in Liberia these days? Always wanted to go there.

Just a quick reply... (I know off topic) But Liberia is getting ready to have a VERY IMPORTANT election this October 11. I am not currently there, I am in South Africa temporarily and am getting ready to sail to Liberia once more(with Mercy Ships) and will arrive in Liberia Oct 18 to stay the next 7 months. This election may determine the stability of West Africa in the years ahead.

God bless ya

[LilAngelHeart]

God's not a numerologist, friends. He uses some numbers, but only the Spirit can explain it, if He is allowed to live within.

"blasphemous that even the blind can see"??? Than Satan is stupider than we thought! What about "deceiving the elect, if possible", and the hundreds of warnings for the saved to be "with oil in their lamps and staying awake" in case a false "Christ" is heralded?

The devil is a Bible expert, knows God is right, but is so insane with hatred for Christ that even knowing all of this kept His love from ever reaching him.

Be careful: the easiest trick is for him to use the Word against you, as he attempted to do to the Lord in the Wilderness Temptation.

Very good points! Exactly right! I know there will be some trickery involved where many will be fooled and only those with a Godly spirit of discernment will be able to see the truth. I know it won't be a literal 666 number because that's too obvious and too many people sinners and saved ones and other religions, the whole world knows about Revelations and the 666, so to use it literally just like that is too plain & obvious, no one would be fooled. Plus if God came right out and told the literal meaning of it, the devil would simply try to change it to make God & the Bible look like a lie. LOL! The 666 is a code. It has to be a code that represents the very core of the antichrist's movement or plan or whatever and it takes God's anointing to reveal the true meaning. But I believe when the time is right that the true saints will be given the meaning behind the code. :angel:

[Vaudois]

Right on, Lil Angel Heart...the publicity on 666 is much to 'popular' to have any need for God to caution us about it. God is not dumb either; He knows that this "major hint" will take some deep study with Him and you.
One aspect that we need to keep in mind is that for 4,000 and some years, only Hebrews were directly dealtwith by God. They were supposed to be His missionaries for the entire planet. Look at the map: Israel was (before the industrial Age) at the land and sea crossroads of the world! But they blew it, and God scattered them, twice. (once in Daniel's time and 70 years after Christ's resurrection)...Therefore I think it is HIGHLY possible that we need to look in the OT to see how numbers were used by God to the Hebrews...not to downtown Americans.

[Tangnefedd]

Shakes head!!!!! It is totally incredible that anyone can believe in all that stuff!!!!!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Vaudois]

Tangy:
And ectoplasmic manifestations and flying furniture is "perfectly normal"?
Old Chinese proverb: He who live with ghosts, get spooked when windowshade let any light in.

If you look closely, most christians on this thread don't buy this silly idea of numerology.

But superstition, whether "christian" or Madame Blavatsy is still hogwash.

[Latreia]

Right on, Lil Angel Heart...the publicity on 666 is much to 'popular' to have any need for God to caution us about it. God is not dumb either; He knows that this "major hint" will take some deep study with Him and you.
One aspect that we need to keep in mind is that for 4,000 and some years, only Hebrews were directly dealtwith by God. They were supposed to be His missionaries for the entire planet. Look at the map: Israel was (before the industrial Age) at the land and sea crossroads of the world! But they blew it, and God scattered them, twice. (once in Daniel's time and 70 years after Christ's resurrection)...Therefore I think it is HIGHLY possible that we need to look in the OT to see how numbers were used by God to the Hebrews...not to downtown Americans.

:idea:

This post displays a broader perspective than most nearly all other posts.

[Vaudois]

Thanks.:blush:

The Lord has been educating me as best He can. I'm slowing down His process, too much. But He has had some success in re-wiring my abused (self-inflicted) brain.

One major problem that humans have is that they tend to want to "own" something that God has given them as presents.

But back to 666.

Names originally had meanings, not in Hebrew culture only, but all cultures. (Sitting Bull; John-son, Hosea)

Positions do as well. (Being at a king's right-hand side; sitting at the rabbis feet instead of in a chair before him, etc.)

So therefore some numbers in the OT have meaning, not as calculations, but as indicators of meaning: moral, ethical spiritual import.

Anybody following this?

[kingisjesus]

It is a preaty cool coinsidence isn't it? I think it is a random thing, I could be wrong but I still think it is random.
Just felt like geting opinions.

[twistedsketch]

"blasphemous that even the blind can see"??? Than Satan is stupider than we thought! What about "deceiving the elect, if possible", and the hundreds of warnings for the saved to be "with oil in their lamps and staying awake" in case a false "Christ" is heralded?
"if possible." Jesus told us ahead of time what to expect, so the elect would be watching for that.

"The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months. He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven." - Revelation 13:5-6

How will someone with the Holy Spirit, who not only sealed him for redemption but will let him know that the beast is blaspheming be fooled?

[sparkyman481]

This is the alphabet in multiples of six.

A6-----B12-----C18-----D24-----E30-----F36-----G42-----H48-----I54-----J60-----K66-----L72-----M78-----N84-----O90-----P96-----Q102-----R108-----S114-----T120-----U126-----V132-----W138------X144-----Y150----Z156

H48+U126+M78+A6+N84+I54+T120+Y150=666

[Vaudois]

Well, Sparkyman, you've proved a good point!
(I do like your choice of words to calculate from:new one.)
Normal human calculation methods seem much too pliable to be able to "make up the number of the beast".
Too many veriables and possibilities for this method to be the correct one.
Your sweet Auntie May could equal 666!:eek:

And anyone, once looking for that number and using that system can understand it, .... thus destroying the "things of the Spirit are made know by the Spirit, and not the flesh" concept.

IE: Anyone who can read and calculate (no matter what spiritual condition they are in) would be "warned".

It cannot be a ____+____= total configuration.

It must be something else.

Any ideas?

[kingisjesus]

It cannot be a ____+____= total configuration.

It must be something else.

Any ideas?
I believe that "IF" this is inspired, then it is Gods way of giving hints that the Spirit led Christians would be able to follow to avoid the mark when it comes.

[Vaudois]

Actually, kingisjesus, it only looks "inspired"; from the examples others have shown and the expalnations about the English language vs. Greek (the original NT language), it CANNOT be inspired from God. He's not that clumsy.

Therefore it must be a something else the Spirit is trying to convey to His obedient ones.

If rebels can see this numbering exercise, it is no warning at all to anyone.

[kingisjesus]

Actually, kingisjesus, it only looks "inspired"; from the examples others have shown and the expalnations about the English language vs. Greek (the original NT language), it CANNOT be inspired from God. He's not that clumsy.

Therefore it must be a something else the Spirit is trying to convey to His obedient ones.

If rebels can see this numbering exercise, it is no warning at all to anyone.
Who said I was a rebel

I and a guy named David dis-covered this sequence. I did not get it from a rebel to Christ.

[Vaudois]

Who said I was a rebel

I and a guy named David dis-covered this sequence. I did not get it from a rebel to Christ.

Not me! I meant that if the unconverted can easily understand that system (which you did not originate; the words yes/ the code no) than it is not inspired, secret, any real warning.

Are and your friend inspired? I'm not saying your not, I'm just asking do you think you two are?

You still have not answered the Language issue.

[sparkyman481]

This is the alphabet in multiples of six.

A6-----B12-----C18-----D24-----E30-----F36-----G42-----H48-----I54-----J60-----K66-----L72-----M78-----N84-----O90-----P96-----Q102-----R108-----S114-----T120-----U126-----V132-----W138------X144-----Y150----Z156

CORRUPT 18+90+108+108+126+96+120=666

WITCHCRAFT 138+54+120+18+48+18+108+6+36+120=666

COMPUTER 18+90+78+96+126+120+30+108=666

__________________________________________________________________________

This is the alphabet in multiples of seven.

A7-----B14-----C21-----D28-----E35-----F42-----G49-----H56-----I63-----J70-----K77-----L84-----M91-----N98-----O105-----P112-----Q119-----R126-----S133-----T140-----U147-----V154-----W161-----X168-----Y175-----Z182

A FREE GRACE GIFT: 7+42+126+35+35+49+126+7+21+35+49+63+42+140=777

ONE CHRIST: 105+98+35+21+56+126+63+133+140=777

PERFECTION:112+35+126+42+35+21+140+63+105+98=777

CORRUPT 21+105+126+126+147+112+140=777

WITCHCRAFT 161+63+140+21+56+21+126+7+42+140+=777

COMPUTER 21+105+91+112+147+140+35+126=777

Which is it sixes or sevens?

I do not think this to be the marks of God or the beast, but I do believe that God uses this as a way to let us know what the marksmean and do.

Let us look at the meanings.

First of the sixes.

Corrupt: The mark will be corrupt.

Witchcraft: It will alter perception of reality. Witchcraft means to bend reality. Now, reality can not be bent outside of God, so it is the perception that is, or will be, bent.

COMPUTER: It will be some kind of computer related device.

Conclusion: It might be some kind of corrupt computer related device that alters mans perception of reality. Or maybe it is the media in general that will alter perception of reality. Maybe it is movies with all the computer generated images that will fill the minds of people with false beliefs of reality.

The point is this: I do not know what the mark of the beast is. I am not prophesying anything. I believe that when we see it, we will know what it is easer because of this chart.

Now let us look at the sevens.

A FREE GRACE GIFT: The mark of God is a free grace gift.

PERFECTION: "HE HAS PERFECTED FOREVER THOSE WHO ARE BEING MADE HOLY" With this bible quote in mind, I say this perfection is a part of this free grace gift.

ONE CHRIST: There is only one Christ, and that is Jesus. The mark of God is given to those who belong to Jesus Christ.

Conclusion: According to the new testament, the mark of God is The Holy Spirit of God that is given to live in us, because of the perfecting work that Jesus accomplished on the cross for all of those who put their faith in the One Christ who is Jesus Christ.

The Holy Spirit is a free grace gift that is given to those who put their full trust in Jesus Christ. His acts and deeds have ensured our redemption and perfection. Through his Holy life, we are without spot because we are in him.

Any opinions on this?

1 Corinthians 2:12-1312 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

[Vaudois]

Good point sparkyman. The code base is too flexible to be taken seriously.

Again what meaning do the Hebrews have with the numbers?
Since the entire Bible was Hebrew-centric (new Word of the Day!) spirtual insight would lead to looking at their take on numbers, not modern Western English based concepts.

[LilAngelHeart]

Right on, Lil Angel Heart...the publicity on 666 is much to 'popular' to have any need for God to caution us about it. God is not dumb either; He knows that this "major hint" will take some deep study with Him and you.
One aspect that we need to keep in mind is that for 4,000 and some years, only Hebrews were directly dealtwith by God. They were supposed to be His missionaries for the entire planet. Look at the map: Israel was (before the industrial Age) at the land and sea crossroads of the world! But they blew it, and God scattered them, twice. (once in Daniel's time and 70 years after Christ's resurrection)...Therefore I think it is HIGHLY possible that we need to look in the OT to see how numbers were used by God to the Hebrews...not to downtown Americans.

Thanks! Yup, I agree. :) :angel:

[LilAngelHeart]

Shakes head!!!!! It is totally incredible that anyone can believe in all that stuff

Be good now. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[LilAngelHeart]

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H48+U126+M78+A6+N84+I54+T120+Y150=666



I like that one! :D :) "He who has understanding count the number of the beast for it is also the number of man." :angel:

[LilAngelHeart]

Well, Sparkyman, you've proved a good point!
(I do like your choice of words to calculate from:new one.)
Normal human calculation methods seem much too pliable to be able to "make up the number of the beast".
Too many veriables and possibilities for this method to be the correct one.
Your sweet Auntie May could equal 666!:eek:

And anyone, once looking for that number and using that system can understand it, .... thus destroying the "things of the Spirit are made know by the Spirit, and not the flesh" concept.

IE: Anyone who can read and calculate (no matter what spiritual condition they are in) would be "warned".

It cannot be a ____+____= total configuration.

It must be something else.

Any ideas?

I also noticed that with the American alphabet that 6 letter from the end of the alphabet you get the letter U 6 letters from the beginning of the alphabet you get the letter F and 6 letters from the letter U you get the letter O, for UFO, 666=UFO. I thought that was an interesting coincidence especially with the boom in UFO spottings and even people catching UFO's on tape and stuff. With all of the sci fi shows like the 4400 and Invasion and X files and all of the other sci fi things and people seeing UFO's and stuff and I mean ligitimate claims made by military and police officers and even an astranaut who told of seeing things in outer space on one of his space missions and one was a huge snake like creature in space and he has been up in space 5 times, so he's a veteran at that. It is totally possible and very probable that the anitchrist will present himself as an alien being. A benevelent alien being who came to save mankind from themselves etc. I can totally see people being in awe and wonder at a seemingly kind nice benevolenct "alien" being. ;) That's my theory especially since we know the fallen angels walked the earth before in the days of Noah and even mated with human women creating giant offspring and revelations tells us that those ones who mated with human women that God had put in chains will be released in the last days. Fallen angels would be seen today as alien beings, and many will gladly :bow: to those fallen ones especially when/if they act benevolent in the beginning to sucker people in.

[LilAngelHeart]

Actually, kingisjesus, it only looks "inspired"; from the examples others have shown and the expalnations about the English language vs. Greek (the original NT language), it CANNOT be inspired from God. He's not that clumsy.

Therefore it must be a something else the Spirit is trying to convey to His obedient ones.

If rebels can see this numbering exercise, it is no warning at all to anyone.


What about the idea that God knew in the end times peoiple would work towards a universal language and American English is becoming one of the universal languages that all international people learn to speak. So the code could lie somewhere in the American alphabet since God can see down the line many years into the future to see that English would be a universal language. :) Just a thought. :angel: That also brings me to the idea of an alien being uniting all of the world together in a type of universal one world system eliminating all wars and other dividing "primitive" things and uniting the whole world together in "peace"-- :bow: to worship him. And to show that we are all of one people, one race, one creed etc, he will desire for those in agreement to even take his mark, to show our allegience to world peace and rid the world of all differences especially religious differences. Desiring to get rid of Christianity.

[LilAngelHeart]

http://home.fuse.net/ufo/centervillereport.html

Here's an interesting link of an incident that happened last year when a whole nieghborhood called 911 about a UFO they saw in the sky, and here's the link to the police 911 tape you can listen to for yourself of the nieghborhood calls concerning the incident. http://home.fuse.net/ufo/centervilleindex.html This is just one of many cases, ligitimate cases of people seeing UFOs, too many to discount or ignore. Soemthing is going on and the church needs to be prepared. :prayer:

[LilAngelHeart]

Herre's another example:

AFRICAN SCHOOL CHILDREN SEE UFO & ALIENS - ZIMBABWE


One little girl said, "I swear by every hair on my head and the whole Bible that I am telling the truth."


This was witnessed by 62 schoolchildren, who had little or no exposure to TV or popular press accounts of UFOs.

"Those thoughts came from the man - the man's eyes."


Many of the children received the same telepathic message from the beings.... to take care of the planet or civilization will be doomed.


"I think they want people to know that we're actually making harm on this world and we musn't get too technologed."


ARIEL SCHOOL SIGHTINGS - RUWA, ZIMBABWE


September 16, 1994

"The Ariel School sighting is one of the most significant in recent UFO history." -- Dominique Callimanopulos, PEER

On 14th September, 1994, a UFO streaked across the sky over Southern Africa.


Two days later, something landed in a schoolyard in Ruwa, Zimbabwe, with three or four things beside it, according to journalist Cynthia Hind. This was witnessed by 62 schoolchildren, who had little or no exposure to TV or popular press accounts of UFOs.

Cynthia Hind interviewed them the day after the encounter and made them draw pictures of what they had seen. Below, and in the right column of this page, are actual photographs of what the children drew and some of their statements.

Also, further below are articles and reports of this case.


Exploring African and Other Alien Abductions

by Dominique Callimanopulos, PEER (Program for Extraordinary Experience Research)

The Ariel School sighting is one of the most significant in recent UFO history. ...The event lasted about fifteen minutes, the children said, before the spaceships faded from view. But even in their state of fear, many of the children reported also being curious and fascinated by the strange beings they saw, whose eyes in particular commanded an intense attention.


John Mack and I were at the Ariel School, a small elementary school outside Harare, the capital of Zimbabwe, listening to Elsa (not her real name) describe her encounter last September 16 [1994] with an "alien" being. In all, sixty children, ages six through twelve, reported seeing one large and several smaller spaceships land - hover, really - over the scrubby bushland adjoining their playground.

The twelve children we interviewed over the course of two days all described the same event with a steady consistency of detail. In addition to the spaceships, the children had seen two "strange beings," one sitting on one of the spaceships and the other running back and forth in the grass, "bouncing as if he were on the moon, but not quite so much."


The beings were described as wearing black with long heads, "eyes as big as rugby balls," pale, (Greys?)with thin arms and legs. The event took place during the children's morning recess while teachers were in a staff meeting. Many of the younger children were very scared and cried. "At first I thought it was a gardener," one fourth-grader told us. "Then I realized it was an alien


The Children of Ariel School - Case No. #96. Ruwa, Zimbabwe

By Cynthia Hind


On Friday 16th September, at approximately 10:15, 62 children from Ariel School, a private primary school in Ruwa (about 20 km from Harare) were in their playing field for the mid-morning break. Suddenly, they saw three silver balls in the sky over the school. These disappeared with a flash of light and then reappeared elsewhere. This happened three times and then they started to move down towards the school with one of them landing (or hovering) over a section of rough ground made up of trees, thorn bushes, and some brown-grey cut grass with bamboo shoots sticking up out of the ground. The children are not allowed in this area although it is adjacent to their playing field and is not fenced off, because of snakes, spiders and perhaps other harmful creatures. One can soon disappear from view while walking here, and there is only one very rough track used by tractors in an attempt to clear this area.


There is a line of electricity pylons and according to one boy, the object followed along this line prior to landing. There is also some controversy as to whether the object _landed_ on the ground or hovered above it. On Tuesday, 20th September, I went out to the school with a BBC reporter and their television equipment, as well as my son and Gunter Hofer, a young man who builds his own electrical equipment, viz, a Geiger counter, a metal detector and a magnetometer, to try and see if the object left any traces behind.


The headmaster of the school is Mr. Colin Mackie, who was most co-operative, and although he had never been involved with UFOs or a believer in them, said that he believed the children had seen what they said they saw.


I was able to interview about 10 or 12 older children and this was recorded for BBC television.

One eyewitness, Barry D., said he had seen three objects flying over, with flashing red lights. They disappeared, and reappeared almost immediately, but somewhere else. This happened about three times. Then they came and landed near some gum trees; Barry said the main one (object) was about the size of his thumb nail held at arm's length. The reports were similar although some children were more observant than others. The consensus of opinion was that an object came down in the area where they indicated, about 100 metres from where they were at the edge of the school playing field.


Then a small man (approx 1 metre in height) appeared on top of the object. He walked a little way across the rough ground, became aware of the children and disappeared. He, or someone very like him, then reappeared at the back of the object. The object took off very rapidly and disappeared. The little man was dressed in a tight-fitting black suit which was 'shiny' according to one observant girl (11 years of age). He had a long scrawny neck and huge eyes like rugby balls. He had a pale face with long black hair coming below his shoulders.


I had suggested to Mr. Mackie prior to visiting the school and before the children had been interviewed, that he let the children draw what they had seen and he now has about 30-40 drawings, some of which are very explicit and clear, although some are rather vague. The children's' ages vary from 5/6 to 12 years. I have 22 photocopies of the clearer drawings as Mr. Mackie kindly allowed me to page through the pictures and choose those I wanted. Most of the descriptions are similar but some of the craft are very obviously 'flying saucers', and I wonder how many of these children have had access to the media. Others are crude but more or less in this saucer shape.


The children vary in cultures: there are black, white, coloured and Asian children. One little girl said to me, 'I swear by every hair on my head and the whole Bible that I am telling the truth.' I could see the pleasure on her face when I told her that I believed her. The smaller children from 5-7 years were very frightened at the time and ran shouting 'Help me, help me.' When the older children asked why they were saying this, the reply was, 'He is coming to eat us.' I should think this applied more to the black African children who have legends of _tokoloshies_ eating children.


Their teachers were in a meeting and did not come out. When I queried the headmaster about this he said the children always shouted and yelled during their playtime and no-one thought there was anything unusual going on.

[Vaudois]

That also brings me to the idea of an alien being uniting all of the world together in a type of universal one world system eliminating all wars and other dividing "primitive" things and uniting the whole world together in "peace"-- :bow: to worship him. And to show that we are all of one people, one race, one creed etc, he will desire for those in agreement to even take his mark, to show our allegience to world peace and rid the world of all differences especially religious differences. Desiring to get rid of Christianity.



You have some validate ideas here: but let me weld a few things together:

1. Satan and fallen angels are technically aliens...perhaps not Star Trek style, but para-human invaders to Earth, for sure. I do not subscribe to many wild procreation theories, however. Angels are differnt beings than humans.

2. Cain had a "mark"; the word mark biblically is not a blemish, tatoo, implant or scar. Rather it is spiritual/emotional recognizable identification, not a physical one. It is in the face and in the actions (the "right hand"). It is guilt or innocence.
All who had looked upon Christ during His trial before Pilate were convicted of His loyalty and royal character. That face, once beheld by humanity, was never forgotten. As Cain's face expressed his guilt as a murderer, so the face of Christ revealed His innocence, serenity, benevolence--the image of God. But His accusers would not heed the mark, the signet of heaven, and that countenance was hidden by the mantle of God.

3. Receiving this mark IS a sign of loyalty...but to what? The Word lists this "Leader" as being blasphemous and speak "words against the most High", yet being very much loved and appearing very religious. Could this not be a miracle Psuedo-Christ, not a blatant, UFO horror? Who would worship somethiing repulsive?

[Reformationist]

Very good points! Exactly right! I know there will be some trickery involved where many will be fooled and only those with a Godly spirit of discernment will be able to see the truth. I know it won't be a literal 666 number because that's too obvious and too many people sinners and saved ones and other religions, the whole world knows about Revelations and the 666, so to use it literally just like that is too plain & obvious, no one would be fooled. Plus if God came right out and told the literal meaning of it, the devil would simply try to change it to make God & the Bible look like a lie. LOL! The 666 is a code. It has to be a code that represents the very core of the antichrist's movement or plan or whatever and it takes God's anointing to reveal the true meaning. But I believe when the time is right that the true saints will be given the meaning behind the code. :angel:



The number 666, or 616 if that is the actual number, was used for a reason. It was a subtle way of revealing who was the chief opponent of the the Christian movement to those who were familiar, AT THAT TIME, with the Hebrew form of numerology. In Hebrew, every letter is assigned a numerical value. It would make no sense for such an identification to refer to someone 1000 years later. It was meant to inform believers of the identity of the primary anti-Christ. It was someone they would know. When the number 666, or 616, is extrapolated using the common Hebrew numerology, it would reveal the following information:

r S q n w r n
666 = 200 + 60 + 100 + 50 + 6 + 200 + 50 = Nrwn Qsr

r S q w r n
616 = 200 + 60 + 100 + 6 + 200 + 50 = Nrw Qsr

Both of these, when read from right to left, as is proper in Hebrew, would reveal that the numbers, and thus the anti-Christ being referred to, is Neron Caesar, or more familiarly, Ceasar Nero. He was the Emperor at the time when the message was relayed. He committed unspeakable atrocities against Christendom in an attempt to stamp out worship of God.

This is the meaning of 666, or 616.

God bless

[sent one]

The number 666, or 616 if that is the actual number, was used for a reason. It was a subtle way of revealing who was the chief opponent of the the Christian movement to those who were familiar, AT THAT TIME, with the Hebrew form of numerology. In Hebrew, every letter is assigned a numerical value. It would make no sense for such an identification to refer to someone 1000 years later. It was meant to inform believers of the identity of the primary anti-Christ. It was someone they would know. When the number 666, or 616, is extrapolated using the common Hebrew numerology, it would reveal the following information:

r S q n w r n
666 = 200 + 60 + 100 + 50 + 6 + 200 + 50 = Nrwn Qsr

r S q w r n
616 = 200 + 60 + 100 + 6 + 200 + 50 = Nrw Qsr

Both of these, when read from right to left, as is proper in Hebrew, would reveal that the numbers, and thus the anti-Christ being referred to, is Neron Caesar, or more familiarly, Ceasar Nero. He was the Emperor at the time when the message was relayed. He committed unspeakable atrocities against Christendom in an attempt to stamp out worship of God.

This is the meaning of 666, or 616.

God bless

I just have a question about what you posted.
Most Biblical Scholars agree that Revelation was written around 95 AD. Do you believe it was written much earlier? Because Nero died in 68 AD. So I take it that you think that Revelation was written much earlier than 95 AD? Before 68 AD? If you believe in the earlier date for Revelation can you give some of the evidence? Also are you a Preterist in your belief of end times?
Thanks.. Not arguing or saying I agree or disagree, just wanting to know where you are coming from.
Many blessings
sent one

[Reformationist]

I just have a question about what you posted.
Most Biblical Scholars agree that Revelation was written around 95 AD. Do you believe it was written much earlier? Because Nero died in 68 AD. So I take it that you think that Revelation was written much earlier than 95 AD? Before 68 AD? If you believe in the earlier date for Revelation can you give some of the evidence?

Hey sent one. I do believe that Revelation was written prior to 95 A.D. Additionally, I am not aware of any definitive, and reliable source of information that indicates that "most biblical scholars" agree on that date. I know that some biblical scholars believe that is the date for the writing of Revelation.

Also are you a Preterist in your belief of end times?

A partial preterist, yes.

Thanks.. Not arguing or saying I agree or disagree, just wanting to know where you are coming from.

No problem. :)

Many blessings
sent one

God bless

[LilAngelHeart]

The number 666, or 616 if that is the actual number, was used for a reason. It was a subtle way of revealing who was the chief opponent of the the Christian movement to those who were familiar, AT THAT TIME, with the Hebrew form of numerology. In Hebrew, every letter is assigned a numerical value. It would make no sense for such an identification to refer to someone 1000 years later. It was meant to inform believers of the identity of the primary anti-Christ. It was someone they would know. When the number 666, or 616, is extrapolated using the common Hebrew numerology, it would reveal the following information:

r S q n w r n
666 = 200 + 60 + 100 + 50 + 6 + 200 + 50 = Nrwn Qsr

r S q w r n
616 = 200 + 60 + 100 + 6 + 200 + 50 = Nrw Qsr

Both of these, when read from right to left, as is proper in Hebrew, would reveal that the numbers, and thus the anti-Christ being referred to, is Neron Caesar, or more familiarly, Ceasar Nero. He was the Emperor at the time when the message was relayed. He committed unspeakable atrocities against Christendom in an attempt to stamp out worship of God.

This is the meaning of 666, or 616.

God bless

I've heard that explination before, but I don't believe that that was the true meaning behind the 666 number. :) I believe it was for today's time, the last days. :angel:

[LilAngelHeart]

I just have a question about what you posted.
Most Biblical Scholars agree that Revelation was written around 95 AD. Do you believe it was written much earlier? Because Nero died in 68 AD. So I take it that you think that Revelation was written much earlier than 95 AD? Before 68 AD? If you believe in the earlier date for Revelation can you give some of the evidence? Also are you a Preterist in your belief of end times?
Thanks.. Not arguing or saying I agree or disagree, just wanting to know where you are coming from.
Many blessings
sent one

I agree about the timeline not fitting with that interpretation. :) :thumbsup:

[oworm]

I've heard that explination before, but I don't believe that that was the true meaning behind the 666 number. :) I believe it was for today's time, the last days. :angel:


We've been in the "last days" for the last two thousand years approx
"In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe"(Hebrews 1:2,3)

[LilAngelHeart]

We've been in the "last days" for the last two thousand years approx
"In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe"(Hebrews 1:2,3)


I agree! Happy Birthday BTW! :) :clap:

[ronmathison]

Quite simply: with such a strong warning in the bible to not recieve the mark of the beast on one's right hand or forhead, when it happens, it will clearly be obvious at the time, what it is.

We are told that none will be allowed to buy or sell without it. Besides being obvious, I feel it's also obvious that it will be a visible mark of the man of sin's name or his number: 666 .

[Reformationist]

I've heard that explination before, but I don't believe that that was the true meaning behind the 666 number. :) I believe it was for today's time, the last days. :angel:



So you think John was telling first century Christians about events that would take place thousands of years later?

The message given to them was to, what, calculate a person or event that would exist/happen thousands of years after they are dead?

Um...does that even make sense to you? If you merely mean that the message to calculate the number of the beast was a message for those in the last times, pray tell, why was John telling first century Christians this information? :scratch:

[Reformationist]

I agree about the timeline not fitting with that interpretation. :) :thumbsup:

Let me get this straight. You agree with Vaudois we need to look at this message from a Hebraic perspective, because historical context dictates that we should do so. I supply a logical and viable understanding based on the then applicable Hebraic system of alpha-numerology, which you discount on the basis of your understanding of a revelatory timeline. You then contend that a "totally possible and very probable" alternative view is that 666 refers to "UFO" and that the anti-Christ is an alien? Okay. Well, good luck with that.

[LilAngelHeart]

Quite simply: with such a strong warning in the bible to not recieve the mark of the beast on one's right hand or forhead, when it happens, it will clearly be obvious at the time, what it is.

We are told that none will be allowed to buy or sell without it. Besides being obvious, I feel it's also obvious that it will be a visible mark of the man of sin's name or his number: 666 .

True, anything to do with the hand or the forehead will be a dead giveaway. :)

[LilAngelHeart]

So you think John was telling first century Christians about events that would take place thousands of years later?

No, John was being led by God to tell us in the last days about events that will happen in our time. :)



The message given to them was to, what, calculate a person or event that would exist/happen thousands of years after they are dead?

No, the lesson was for us, not for them.



Um...does that even make sense to you? If you merely mean that the message to calculate the number of the beast was a message for those in the last times, pray tell, why was John telling first century Christians this information? :scratch:

John was simply writing what God was telling him to write. Surely you realize that God can see down the lines of time to what would happen in the future to warn those of us in the last days about the antichrist. Each generation of people always think that their time is the last days, back in my grandmother's days she thought the rapture would hit in her lifetime etc. John didn't know when the last days were going to be, he probably thought the last days were in his time. God is the one who knew the last days would be many centuries later, not John, John was only writing what God told him to. You are thinking that John knew how far away the last days he was writing about really were, John didn't know, he just knew the last days were coming. Just like how for many many years the people expected Jesus to be born and it was many years before He actually showed up, they just knew He was coming but not exactly when. So John knew about the last days God was revealing to him and he wrote it down not knowing exactly how far down the line the last days would actually be. So that's why he wrote the message to his people, he thought it might happen soon, just like how many Christians in the past and even today thinks the rapture will happen in their lifetime and the world might stand another 100 years or more before the last days and rature actually happens. :angel: No one in the Bible knew how many generations the world over would be reading their words, I bet they had no idea the world would stand this long and that technology would advance like it has. So of course he was writing to his people in his mind but God knew the message was really for us.

[Imblessed]

The number 666, or 616 if that is the actual number, was used for a reason. It was a subtle way of revealing who was the chief opponent of the the Christian movement to those who were familiar, AT THAT TIME, with the Hebrew form of numerology. In Hebrew, every letter is assigned a numerical value. It would make no sense for such an identification to refer to someone 1000 years later. It was meant to inform believers of the identity of the primary anti-Christ. It was someone they would know. When the number 666, or 616, is extrapolated using the common Hebrew numerology, it would reveal the following information:

r S q n w r n
666 = 200 + 60 + 100 + 50 + 6 + 200 + 50 = Nrwn Qsr

r S q w r n
616 = 200 + 60 + 100 + 6 + 200 + 50 = Nrw Qsr

Both of these, when read from right to left, as is proper in Hebrew, would reveal that the numbers, and thus the anti-Christ being referred to, is Neron Caesar, or more familiarly, Ceasar Nero. He was the Emperor at the time when the message was relayed. He committed unspeakable atrocities against Christendom in an attempt to stamp out worship of God.

This is the meaning of 666, or 616.

God bless

I agree totally! :thumbsup:

[LilAngelHeart]

Let me get this straight. You agree with Vaudois we need to look at this message from a Hebraic perspective, because historical context dictates that we should do so. I supply a logical and viable understanding based on the then applicable Hebraic system of alpha-numerology, which you discount on the basis of your understanding of a revelatory timeline. You then contend that a "totally possible and very probable" alternative view is that 666 refers to "UFO" and that the anti-Christ is an alien? Okay. Well, good luck with that.


The mistake you are making in your mind is that you are eliminating God from the Bible. ;) You are thinking of the Bible as only being written by men and not inspired by God. Taking historical context into mind only helps in understanding what the men who were writing the Bible were saying, not what God was actually saying. If God uses them to write to warn us about driving cars and car crashes, they may say driving chariots or riding horses because they don't know what cars are. So studying on chariots and horse riding back then will not help you to understand what God is saying about cars today. And why do you find the concept of alien so wierd? Don't you know that the fallen angels who came to earth & mated with human women were not human beings and in todays world non human living beings who came to earth and mated with human women creating giants would be considered as aliens to us. They didn't use the term alien back then like people do today. And since a lot of people today don't like to believe in the Bible, fallen angels to them would be called aliens. The antichrist is described as a beast, a non human creature. If you saw a giant walking down the street today what would most people call a giant who's as tall as a building?? The newspapers would say an alien being that was as tall as a building was seen today. The Bible says that in the last days those fallen angels who mated with human women will be released from the chains they are locked in and they will be free to do what they did back then, mate with human women, and you know what's interesting about people who claim they were abducted by aliens? A lot of them say that the "aliens" did repoductive experiments on them and even took fetuses women were pregnant with and showed them hybrid half human babies and all kinds of things dealing with reproduction. Thier main focus that all who claim to have had experiences say, they all have a common theme, they all deal with reproduction as far as making hybrid babies and stuff. The main focus is reproduction. Doesn't that sound just like the fallen ones in the Bible who mated with human women creating hybrid offspring, the giants?? There are just too many red flags going up concerning the whole alien phenominon for me to ignore and you can see the signs of the devil being involved in that, but most are too reluctant to think about that area, I guess it scares them or they fear ridicule because the devil doesn't want people to know what he's doing until it's too late. :prayer:

[Imblessed]

The mistake you are making in your mind is that you are eliminating God from the Bible. ;) You are thinking of the Bible as only being written by men and not inspired by God.

This made me chuckle, knowing Reformationist as I do! :)

[LilAngelHeart]

This made me chuckle, knowing Reformationist as I do! :)







Oh okay. LOL! :D :angel:

[oworm]

This made me chuckle, knowing Reformationist as I do! :)





Yes ME TOO. :D

[oworm]

We've been in the "last days" for the last two thousand years approx
"In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe"(Hebrews 1:2,3)






I agree! Happy Birthday BTW! :) :clap:



Well, if you agree then why are you contending that what John wrote concerning the beast was specifically for our present times?:scratch:

[oworm]

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[oworm]

The mistake you are making in your mind is that you are eliminating God from the Bible. ;) You are thinking of the Bible as only being written by men and not inspired by God. Taking historical context into mind only helps in understanding what the men who were writing the Bible were saying, not what God was actually saying. If God uses them to write to warn us about driving cars and car crashes, they may say driving chariots or riding horses because they don't know what cars are. So studying on chariots and horse riding back then will not help you to understand what God is saying about cars today. And why do you find the concept of alien so wierd? Don't you know that the fallen angels who came to earth & mated with human women were not human beings and in todays world non human living beings who came to earth and mated with human women creating giants would be considered as aliens to us. They didn't use the term alien back then like people do today. And since a lot of people today don't like to believe in the Bible, fallen angels to them would be called aliens. The antichrist is described as a beast, a non human creature. If you saw a giant walking down the street today what would most people call a giant who's as tall as a building?? The newspapers would say an alien being that was as tall as a building was seen today. The Bible says that in the last days those fallen angels who mated with human women will be released from the chains they are locked in and they will be free to do what they did back then, mate with human women, and you know what's interesting about people who claim they were abducted by aliens? A lot of them say that the "aliens" did repoductive experiments on them and even took fetuses women were pregnant with and showed them hybrid half human babies and all kinds of things dealing with reproduction. Thier main focus that all who claim to have had experiences say, they all have a common theme, they all deal with reproduction as far as making hybrid babies and stuff. The main focus is reproduction. Doesn't that sound just like the fallen ones in the Bible who mated with human women creating hybrid offspring, the giants?? There are just too many red flags going up concerning the whole alien phenominon for me to ignore and you can see the signs of the devil being involved in that, but most are too reluctant to think about that area, I guess it scares them or they fear ridicule because the devil doesn't want people to know what he's doing until it's too late. :prayer:

Have you been reading Isaac Asimov or Eric Von Daniken books?

[Reformationist]

No, John was being led by God to tell us in the last days about events that will happen in our time. :)

Okay, so, the real point you're making is that God led John to tell first century Christians a message that was, in fact, not for them, but, instead, for people thousands of years later. Is that it?


No, the lesson was for us, not for them.

Umm...these were letters written to the churches of that time period. Are you actually contending that the message delivered to the first century Christian churches was not actually applicable to them? It's not as if John said, "Hey, people, I know that I write this letter to you, but, the message contained herein, regarding the identity of the anti-Christ, is actually for people who won't be born for thousands of years. It has no relevence to you so just, um, disregard it." To be honest, I'm not sure what to say to that other than it sounds like as shaky a position as I've ever heard; a close second to the "UFO/alien" theory.


John was simply writing what God was telling him to write. Surely you realize that God can see down the lines of time to what would happen in the future to warn those of us in the last days about the antichrist.

Time is not a tunnel down which God "sees." Time sits before God, played out in its completeness, just as God ordained prior to creation. God is not an observer that is simply aware of what will come to pass. This idea that God put a message in the Bible that is not applicable for hundreds of generations is, at best, unbiblical. There is nothing in Revelation, or any other book for that matter, that supports the idea that this message is given to first century Christians to reveal the identity of someone who wouldn't exist for thousands of years.

And why do you find the concept of alien so wierd? Don't you know that the fallen angels who came to earth & mated with human women were not human beings and in todays world non human living beings who came to earth and mated with human women creating giants would be considered as aliens to us.

I'm assuming you're referring to the Nephilim and, to be honest, I think the whole concept that you put forth here is as silly as the idea of the anti-Christ being an alien. There is nothing in the Bible to suggest that angels even had an identifiable gender, though they are all portrayed as male, nor is there anything in the Bible suggesting that they had the capacity to procreate with human women. A more likely understanding of Genesis 6:4 is that the sons of God refer either to men of a ferocious nature, i.e., great warriors, or that they are men of uncommon lineage, i.e., kings. On that line of thinking, if "sons of God" refers to kings, "daughters of men" would refer to women of common lineage. Another viable understanding of the references to the Nephilim is that "sons of God" refer to Seth's decendents as opposed to Cain's decendents, the Canaanites. The spies from later in the Bible errantly refer to the Canaanites as men of "great size." Both of these are much more likely to be accurate than the idea that fallen angels mated with human women.

God bless

[Andyman_1970]

Okay, so, the real point you're making is that God led John to tell first century Christians a message that was, in fact, not for them, but, instead, for people thousands of years later. Is that it?




Umm...these were letters written to the churches of that time period. Are you actually contending that the message delivered to the first century Christian churches was not actually applicable to them? It's not as if John said, "Hey, people, I know that I write this letter to you, but, the message contained herein, regarding the identity of the anti-Christ, is actually for people who won't be born for thousands of years. It has no relevence to you so just, um, disregard it." To be honest, I'm not sure what to say to that other than it sounds like as shaky a position as I've ever heard; a close second to the "UFO/alien" theory.


Reformationist, I've not read the whole thread (nor to I care to wade through them), but I have a question for you regarding what you've posted (which I agree with BTW).

It says in the first part of the book of Revelation that what is written in that book is a prophecy - which has been used more than once to squash the idea that Revelation was written for those in that time. How do handle that verse if I may ask?

Thanks..................

[Reformationist]

Reformationist, I've not read the whole thread (nor to I care to wade through them), but I have a question for you regarding what you've posted (which I agree with BTW).

It says in the first part of the book of Revelation that what is written in that book is a prophecy - which has been used more than once to squash the idea that Revelation was written for those in that time. How do handle that verse if I may ask?

Thanks..................

Hey Andyman. :) I'd have to have a better idea of where in the Book of Revelation you're talking about before I could attempt to give any insight. Additionally, there are a couple of things that are pertinent to any answer I can give. First, I am by no means an expert at understanding the Book of Revelation, or any book of the Bible for that matter. I am a student, just like you. :) I do my best to understand the Gospel as our Lord gives it but, alas, I am a fallible human who is prone to error. With that said, let me also say that prophecy is nothing more than inspired declarations of a prophet. "Prophet" is an office given by God for the purpose of relaying God's will directly to the people, i.e., God's mouthpiece to the people. Contrast this with the office of a priest who serves the function of approaching God on behalf of the people. This is what made Jesus so unique, or at least one of the things. He was both prophet and the subject of prophecy, priest and the recipient of supplicative requests for intercession, servant and King. Just because the Book of Revelation was a prophetic dispensation of God's inspirational revelation doesn't mean that it must necessarily refer to a period thousands of years after the giving of the prophecy.

So, where exactly in Revelation were you referring?

Thanks,
God bless

[Reformationist]

Oh okay. LOL! :D :angel:



Goodness. You weren't joking about buying into this whole "aliens" theory. I looked at the website in your profile (http://luvvy12.tripod.com/index.html) and, well, I'll just say it explains a lot about your stance. I have to tell you that my overwhelming feeling after perusing that website is one of pity. I am sorry that you are so wrapped up in that topic. It seems like it has led you to some extremely strange views about the Gospel.

According to that website, the Bible is little more than prophecy about aliens, UFOs, and alien civilizations. It's truly astonishing that someone could believe even a small percentage of what you have on that website (if it is your website). Either way, seriously, you should seek some form of biblically based counselling. That website portrays some of the most unbiblical and less than sane insights into biblical interpretation that I have ever been exposed to.

I pray that God releases you from the bondage that you believe He led you into.

God bless

[Andyman_1970]

So, where exactly in Revelation were you referring?

Thanks,
God bless

Revelation 1:3 is what I am usually quoted when I have asserted that John's revelation was for the 1st century church.

[Reformationist]

Revelation 1:3 is what I am usually quoted when I have asserted that John's revelation was for the 1st century church.

Again, I am not sure why Rev 1:3 would pose a problem for you so I doubt I could be much help. Prophecy is simply revelation from God as delivered through a prophet. John was surely that. There is nothing in Revelation that dictates that we must consider it to be prophetical revelation about something thousands of years after it is given.

God bless

[daverain]

There is nothing in Revelation that dictates that we must consider it to be prophetical revelation about something thousands of years after it is given.



Prophecy was given


about Christ


thousands of years


before Christ appeared,


and people


-MISUNDERSTOOD-


it.

(and didn't recognize Him, and what He was to accomplish)




Peace in Christ

[Reformationist]

Prophecy was given


about Christ


thousands of years


before Christ appeared,


and people


-MISUNDERSTOOD-


it.

(and didn't recognize Him, and what He was to accomplish)




Peace in Christ

And your point is what, that the "the anti-Christ is an alien" theory has merit? :scratch:

[daverain]

And your point is what, that the "the anti-Christ is an alien" theory has merit? :scratch:

No.

My point is that

people are likely

to 'mess-up' prophecy, as it were.

Like believing in a pre-second-coming rapture,

or that it's -NOT- a literal mark.

Peace in Christ.

[daverain]

these were letters written to the churches of that time period. Are you actually contending that the message delivered to the first century Christian churches was not actually applicable to them? It's not as if John said, "Hey, people, I know that I write this letter to you, but, the message contained herein, regarding the identity of the anti-Christ, is actually for people who won't be born for thousands of years. It has no relevence to you so just, um, disregard it."



The message -WAS- for the

early church,

-AND-

for those later-Christians who

will be oppressed by the man-of-lawlessness.

Prophecy concerning Christ, happened much before the actual 'event' , as well.


Peace in Christ.

[LilAngelHeart]

Goodness. You weren't joking about buying into this whole "aliens" theory. I looked at the website in your profile (http://luvvy12.tripod.com/index.html) and, well, I'll just say it explains a lot about your stance. I have to tell you that my overwhelming feeling after perusing that website is one of pity. I am sorry that you are so wrapped up in that topic. It seems like it has led you to some extremely strange views about the Gospel.

According to that website, the Bible is little more than prophecy about aliens, UFOs, and alien civilizations. It's truly astonishing that someone could believe even a small percentage of what you have on that website (if it is your website). Either way, seriously, you should seek some form of biblically based counselling. That website portrays some of the most unbiblical and less than sane insights into biblical interpretation that I have ever been exposed to.

I pray that God releases you from the bondage that you believe He led you into.

God bless

Well that's your opinion and I pray that God opens your eyes and release you from the bondage of religious legalism that you are under, and that's if you really are who you even portrey yourself to be. ;) I have a feeling about who you really are BTW. ;) So your opinion doesn't surprise me. You are the one who can't even believe the Bible was inspired by God and written for people of all times as well as those who lived back then. So YOU are the one who needs to seek counseling. The Bible warns about people who preach or believe the Bible but denies the power within it. You are the one who sees the Bible as just a book written a along time ago by some people, you see the Bible as nothing more than a history book. Everything I believe is scriptural. I guess you don't believe the Bible when it says the sons of God, fallen angels came to earth to mate with humans and create giant/hybrid offspring. I'm simply explainig how what happened in the Bible back then is happening now under the disguise of alien phenominon. That which has been is now, that which shall be has already been...If you were at the right place spiritually you would be able to understand what I'm saying, but since you can't even believe the Bible was written by God, you will never be able to even fanthom what I'm saying in my website. A lot of atheists and non believers have a hard time accepting the truth about the Bible when it is shown or explained to them. ;) If you believe the devil is real, believe the Bible when it says that giants existed and came from the unholy matings between the fallen angels and human women, then you should have no problem understanding that the devil is doing the same thing today under the disguise of the alien phenominon. Period.

[LilAngelHeart]

Again, I am not sure why Rev 1:3 would pose a problem for you so I doubt I could be much help. Prophecy is simply revelation from God as delivered through a prophet. John was surely that. There is nothing in Revelation that dictates that we must consider it to be prophetical revelation about something thousands of years after it is given.

God bless

ROFL!!! And this is someone who is trying to criticize ME??!! LOL! Someone who can't even or doesn't even believe in the end times revelations of what will happen in the future before Jesus returns! I bet you don't even believe in the rapture do you?! LOL! My whole website deals with the end times before Jesus returns and how the devil is moving in plain sight under the disguise of the alien phenominon and if you don't even believe in the end time tribulations, then of course you will be totally lost with what I'm writing about. You DO believe Jesus is the Son of God and died on the cross for our sins right? ;)

[LilAngelHeart]

Prophecy was given


about Christ


thousands of years


before Christ appeared,


and people


-MISUNDERSTOOD-


it.

(and didn't recognize Him, and what He was to accomplish)




Peace in Christ


Exactly!! ;) :angel:

[LilAngelHeart]

Goodness. You weren't joking about buying into this whole "aliens" theory.

Since you say you have never heard of such things as what I believe, here are a few more websites of others who have come to the same conclusions about the Bible and Aliens/fallen angels. I'm not the only one who has come to this understanding.

Abduction and the Bible (http://www.ufoarea.com/aas_abduction_bible.html)

Bible Probe (http://www.bibleprobe.com/roswell.htm)


And there are many more websites of people who are coming to the same conclusions about what is going on today. The church needs to be aware of this because many Christians will be totally lost in the last days when what the Bible says will happen comes ot past, "alien" beings will confuse and scare them which is why we must all be prepared.


Possible Biblical Accounts of an Alien Race
Tim Hagemeister
from NACOMM
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Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in

those days; and also after that, when the sons of

God came in unto the daughters of men, and they

bare children to them, the same became mighty

men which were of old, men of renown.



Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the

sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we

were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we

were in their sight.



Deuteronomy 2:11 Which also were accounted

giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them

Emims.



Deuteronomy 2:20-21 That also was accounted a

land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time;

and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims; A

people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims;

but the LORD destroyed them before them; and

they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead:



Deuteronomy 3:11-13 For only Og king of Bashan

remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his

bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in

Rabbath of the children of Ammon? Nine cubits

was the length thereof, and four cubits the

breadth of it, after the cubit of a man. And this

land, which we possessed at that time, from Aroer,

which is by the river Arnon, and half mount

Gilead, and the cities thereof, gave I unto the

Reubenites and to the Gadites. And the rest of

Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og,

gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh; all the

region of Argob, with all Bashan, which was called

the land of giants.



Deuteronomy 9:2 A people great and tall, the

children of the Anakims, whom thou knowest, and

of whom thou hast heard say, Who can stand

before the children of Anak!




Joshua 12:4 And the coast of Og king of Bashan,

which was of the remnant of the giants, that dwelt

at Ashtaroth and at Edrei,



Joshua 13:12 All the kingdom of Og in Bashan,

which reigned in Ashtaroth and in Edrei, who

remained of the remnant of the giants: for these

did Moses smite, and cast them out.



Joshua 15:8 And the border went up by the valley

of the son of Hinnom unto the south side of the

Jebusite; the same is Jerusalem: and the border

went up to the top of the mountain that lieth

before the valley of Hinnom westward, which is at

the end of the valley of the giants northward:



Joshua 17:15 And Joshua answered them, If thou

be a great people, then get thee up to the wood

country, and cut down for thyself there in the

land of the Perizzites and of the giants, if mount

Ephraim be too narrow for thee.



Joshua 18:16-17 And the border came down to the

end of the mountain that lieth before the valley of

the son of Hinnom, and which is in the valley of

the giants on the north, and descended to the

valley of Hinnom, to the side of Jebusi on the

south, and descended to Enrogel, And was drawn

from the north, and went forth to Enshemesh, and

went forth toward Geliloth, which is over against

the going up of Adummim, and descended to the

stone of Bohan the son of Reuben,

2 Samual 21:20 And there was yet a battle in

Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had

on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six

toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was

born to the giant.



1 Chronicles 20:6 And yet again there was war at

Gath, where was a man of great stature, whose

fingers and toes were four and twenty, six on each

hand, and six on each foot: and he also was the son

of the giant.

[ronmathison]

Why is it that Iron-Maiden seems to be saying more truth in their songs about prophecy, than most people seem? : In thirteen the beast is rising / the warlord will arise .That's from the song: Die with your boots on.

[LilAngelHeart]

Why is it that Iron-Maiden seems to be saying more truth in their songs about prophecy, than most people seem? : In thirteen the beast is rising / the warlord will arise .That's from the song: Die with your boots on.

That's totally true. :) The beast is rising the church needs to be prepared. :prayer: Those last days are not called the great tribulation for nothing! :prayer:

[oworm]

Well that's your opinion and I pray that God opens your eyes and release you from the bondage of religious legalism that you are under, and that's if you really are who you even portrey yourself to be. ;) I have a feeling about who you really are BTW. ;) So your opinion doesn't surprise me. You are the one who can't even believe the Bible was inspired by God and written for people of all times as well as those who lived back then. So YOU are the one who needs to seek counseling. The Bible warns about people who preach or believe the Bible but denies the power within it. You are the one who sees the Bible as just a book written a along time ago by some people, you see the Bible as nothing more than a history book. Everything I believe is scriptural. I guess you don't believe the Bible when it says the sons of God, fallen angels came to earth to mate with humans and create giant/hybrid offspring. I'm simply explainig how what happened in the Bible back then is happening now under the disguise of alien phenominon. That which has been is now, that which shall be has already been...If you were at the right place spiritually you would be able to understand what I'm saying, but since you can't even believe the Bible was written by God, you will never be able to even fanthom what I'm saying in my website. A lot of atheists and non believers have a hard time accepting the truth about the Bible when it is shown or explained to them. ;) If you believe the devil is real, believe the Bible when it says that giants existed and came from the unholy matings between the fallen angels and human women, then you should have no problem understanding that the devil is doing the same thing today under the disguise of the alien phenominon. Period.



You know there may come a time, maybe in years to come' when you will reflect on that statement and cringe in disbelief that you actually said such things! I pray you will anyway because it will display that you have grown in grace and in true knowledge of the Lord.
Reformationist is a personal friend of mine through this forum and His knowledge of biblical truth is second to none. Your accusations against him are unfounded and reprehensible but Iknow He will not respond in kind.

Your own misguided interest in matters that are peripheral to plain biblical truth shows that it is infact yourself who has been led by the nose into "foolish and stupid arguments" (2Tim2:23. Titus3:9) I pray you will become aware of Satans greatest and most predictable tactic. (Get them away from the gospel and get them arguing about peripheral issues) Of course you will probably respond to this in a negative manner too but thats ok,I'm thick skinned.

[Reformationist]

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I just don't think it is altogether possible to discuss this topic with someone who is so embroiled in a conspiracy theory. LAH, I'm sorry if you are offended in any way.

God bless

[Reformationist]

ROFL!!! And this is someone who is trying to criticize ME??!! LOL! Someone who can't even or doesn't even believe in the end times revelations of what will happen in the future before Jesus returns! I bet you don't even believe in the rapture do you?! LOL! My whole website deals with the end times before Jesus returns and how the devil is moving in plain sight under the disguise of the alien phenominon and if you don't even believe in the end time tribulations, then of course you will be totally lost with what I'm writing about. You DO believe Jesus is the Son of God and died on the cross for our sins right? ;)



I wasn't criticizing you LAH. I honestly think you are caught up in an unbiblical conspiracy theory about aliens.

I will not waste anyone's time here, certainly not my own, by substantiating my belief in the divinity of Christ.

God bless

[Reformationist]

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Reserving comments for when they may be productive.

God bless

[Reformationist]

Since you say you have never heard of such things as what I believe, here are a few more websites of others who have come to the same conclusions about the Bible and Aliens/fallen angels. I'm not the only one who has come to this understanding.

Umm...LAH, there are literally millions of websites which deny the existance of God. Are they right? Just becaue you can cite a couple of crackpots who believe that the Bible speaks of alien abduction doesn't make it true. It just means that you are not the only misled person in the world. You needn't have posted a link to prove that.

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in

those days;...

...was a man of great stature, whose

fingers and toes were four and twenty, six on each

hand, and six on each foot: and he also was the son

of the giant.

Hmmmm....strange....not a single one of those verses mention aliens. :scratch: Ironic. :confused: Equally telling is that you post a verse citing an intentionally false report in support of your postion (Num 13:33). Seriously, spend a bit less time trying to find support for the idea of aliens in the Bible and a little more time trying to figure out what the Bible actually says. It will help you a lot.

[Reformationist]

You know there may come a time, maybe in years to come' when you will reflect on that statement and cringe in disbelief that you actually said such things! I pray you will anyway because it will display that you have grown in grace and in true knowledge of the Lord.
Reformationist is a personal friend of mine through this forum and His knowledge of biblical truth is second to none. Your accusations against him are unfounded and reprehensible but Iknow He will not respond in kind.

Thank you for your support oworm. I appreciate having friends like you. I pray that the Lord someday establishes it as more than just an online friendship. I would love to sit and learn from you, someone I am clearly second in knowledge to.

God bless you my brother

[Imblessed]

You know there may come a time, maybe in years to come' when you will reflect on that statement and cringe in disbelief that you actually said such things! I pray you will anyway because it will display that you have grown in grace and in true knowledge of the Lord.
Reformationist is a personal friend of mine through this forum and His knowledge of biblical truth is second to none. Your accusations against him are unfounded and reprehensible but Iknow He will not respond in kind.

Your own misguided interest in matters that are peripheral to plain biblical truth shows that it is infact yourself who has been led by the nose into "foolish and stupid arguments" (2Tim2:23. Titus3:9) I pray you will become aware of Satans greatest and most predictable tactic. (Get them away from the gospel and get them arguing about peripheral issues) Of course you will probably respond to this in a negative manner too but thats ok,I'm thick skinned.

Just thought I'd pop in and second that.

I was going to say basically the same thing, but you beat me to it, and there is nothing more to add...

Goodbye everyone,

May God bless each and everyone abundantly...

[edb19]

. . .Both of these, when read from right to left, as is proper in Hebrew, would reveal that the numbers, and thus the anti-Christ being referred to, is Neron Caesar, or more familiarly, Ceasar Nero. He was the Emperor at the time when the message was relayed. He committed unspeakable atrocities against Christendom in an attempt to stamp out worship of God.

This is the meaning of 666, or 616.

God bless

This is what I've always learned also. Having read your posts, I'm glad to be in agreement with you.

I just don't understand the fascination with "secret codes of the Bible." God gave us so much when He gave us Scripture. Why don't we appreciate what we have more and stop looking for what might not even be there.

[edb19]

We've been in the "last days" for the last two thousand years approx
"In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe"(Hebrews 1:2,3)

Amen! The last days started when Jesus ascended, we'll be in the last days until He returns.

[Reformationist]

This is what I've always learned also. Having read your posts, I'm glad to be in agreement with you.

Thank you. That is so kind of you. :)

I just don't understand the fascination with "secret codes of the Bible." God gave us so much when He gave us Scripture. Why don't we appreciate what we have more and stop looking for what might not even be there.

Who knows? Maybe the idea that the specific reference of 666 is Nero isn't as exciting as that of space aliens. I agree with what you say though. The Lord has truly blessed us with His Word.

God bless

[LilAngelHeart]

You know there may come a time, maybe in years to come' when you will reflect on that statement and cringe in disbelief that you actually said such things! I pray you will anyway because it will display that you have grown in grace and in true knowledge of the Lord.
Reformationist is a personal friend of mine through this forum and His knowledge of biblical truth is second to none. Your accusations against him are unfounded and reprehensible but Iknow He will not respond in kind.

Your own misguided interest in matters that are peripheral to plain biblical truth shows that it is infact yourself who has been led by the nose into "foolish and stupid arguments" (2Tim2:23. Titus3:9) I pray you will become aware of Satans greatest and most predictable tactic. (Get them away from the gospel and get them arguing about peripheral issues) Of course you will probably respond to this in a negative manner too but thats ok,I'm thick skinned.


Well I feel the same way about what Reformatist said to me and I say the same thing about his statements. He has no authority to tell me that I am misguided just because he doesn't agree with my cnclusions. Who died and made him as the final authority on what's right and true concerning the Bible? ;)

[LilAngelHeart]

I wasn't criticizing you LAH. I honestly think you are caught up in an unbiblical conspiracy theory about aliens.

I will not waste anyone's time here, certainly not my own, by substantiating my belief in the divinity of Christ.

God bless

You are misunderstanding my statements and posts because I'm not saying they are really aliens, I'm saying the devil is disguising himself as aliens the same as the devil disguises himself as ghosts people think they see etc.

Tell me this, do you believe what the Bible says when it says that the fallen angels mated with human women creating giants in the land? Do you believe giants existed in the Bible? :)

Do you believe the devil possesses people like the ones Jesus cast out of people in His day? Do you believe evil spirits exist?

[LilAngelHeart]

Umm...LAH, there are literally millions of websites which deny the existance of God. Are they right? Just becaue you can cite a couple of crackpots who believe that the Bible speaks of alien abduction doesn't make it true. It just means that you are not the only misled person in the world. You needn't have posted a link to prove that.



Hmmmm....strange....not a single one of those verses mention aliens. :scratch: Ironic. :confused: Equally telling is that you post a verse citing an intentionally false report in support of your postion (Num 13:33). Seriously, spend a bit less time trying to find support for the idea of aliens in the Bible and a little more time trying to figure out what the Bible actually says. It will help you a lot.


You are not understanding me. I'm not saying the giants in the Bible were aliens, I'm saying that they were something more than human. Do you agree with that part? I simply said that in today's world, if people saw something that was more than human, and if they did see an offspring of a fallen angel who mated with a human women, the world would refer to that creature as an "alien". Period. I'm saying that when people see UFOs and speak of aliens, they are really speaking of the devil's activities that they witnessed and they simply interpret it as alien encounters. The same way that when people say they saw a ghost of their aunt Nellie, they really saw a familiar spirit posing as their aunt. People talk about ghosts all the time, those are evil spirits like the ones in the Bible, people speak about aliens they are really speaking about evil spirits from the Bible.

Check this man's comments out concerning his "abduction" which was really an encounter with evil spirits from the Bible.

"I became entirely given over to extreme dread. The fear was so powerful that it seemed to make my personality completely evaporate... 'Whitley' ceased to exist. What was left was a body and a state of raw fear so great that it swept about me like a thick, suffocating curtain, turning paralysis into a condition that seemed close to death...I died and a wild animal appeared in my place."
-Whitley Strieber, Communion, p. 25-26


"Increasingly I felt as if I were entering a struggle that might even be more than life and death. It might be a struggle for my soul, my essence, or whatever part of me might have reference to the eternal. There are worse things than death, I suspected... so far the word demon had never been spoken among the scientists and doctors who were working with me...Alone at night I worried about the legendary cunning of demons ...At the very least I was going stark, raving mad."
-Whitley Strieber, Transformation, p. 44-45


"I wondered if I might not be in the grip of demons, if they were not making me suffer for their own purposes, or simply for their enjoyment."
-Whitley Strieber, Transformation, p. 172


"I felt an absolutely indescribable sense of menace. It was hell on earth to be there [in the presence of the entities], and yet I couldn't move, couldn't cry out, couldn't get away. I'd lay as still as death, suffering inner agonies. Whatever was there seemed so monstrously ugly, so filthy and dark and sinister. Of course they were demons. They had to be. And they were here and I couldn't get away."
-Whitley Strieber, Transformation, p. 181



"One of the purposes for which UFOs travel to Earth is to abduct humans to help aliens produce other beings. It is not a program of reproduction but one of production. They are not here to help us, they have their own agenda and we are not allowed to know it's full parameters" -Dr. David Jacobs, Secret Life, p. 305

"Everything I learned in 20 years of research into the UFO abduction phenomenon leads me to conclude that the aliens central purpose is not to teach us about taking better care of the environment:instead, all the evidence points to their being here to carry out a complex breeding experiment in which they seem to be working to create a hybrid species, a mixture of human and alien characteristics. A careful reading of the various witnessess' account suggest that here , as in many earlier cases, reproductive issues appear far more frequently than alien ecological concerns. Budd Hopkins, Witnessed, p.378


"I think we are looking at a catastrophic situation. I think we are looking at a disaster. We are seeing a unified program here with these beings, a program of physiological exploitation by one species of another. I know this sounds absolutely insane...we are looking at a colonization program in some way" - Dr. David Jacobs, NBC Confirmation Broadcast, Feb. 17/99.


Most who claim alien abduction their stories sound the same as far as evil entities that they think are aliens and the entities even say they are aliens, but those are evil spirits from the Bible. You cannot tell me that the alien phenonimom is not the activity of evil unclean spirits from the Bible and you cannot tell me that I am wrong to think those aliens/evil spirits are not trying to do the same thing that the fallen angels did back in biblicals days when they made the giants. You can't say it is not scriptural to think that evil spirits are trying to reproduce with human DNA to create hybrid mixtures because THE BIBLE SAYS THE SAME THING concerning the fallen ones mating with human women making a giant race of beings. IT'S IN THE BIBLE. Period.

Recently discovered by Barry Greenwood and Lawrence Fawcett, authors of the well known book, Clear Intent, have discovered that the United States Government has over 10,000 documented reports of UFO sightings made by the general public, airline pilots, both civil and military, radar observed UFO's and on and on since as early as 1942.

The devil is moving in plain sight and it's something the church cannot afford to ignore. God caused the flood of Noah to destroy those giants off of the earth and only Noah and his family survived the flood, yet the giants popped back up again later after the flood, how is that possible since all of humanity descended from Noah and all other life on earth was destroyed yet giants popped back out again. The devil wants to scare the church into NOT believing what he is doing in the earth in these last days, you simply refuse to believe it yet it is IN THE BIBLE. The devil wants his unclean evil offspring to walk the earth in flesh & blood in these last days just like they did in the Biblical days except today's world would call them "aliens". An evil spirit by any other name is an evil spirit. They can call them aliens, ghosts or whatever, they are still evil unclean spirits and they will walk the earth in flesh & blood just like they did in Biblical days. That's part of the antichrist's plan. It's not unscriptural to believe the evil sprits will walk the earth in flesh & blood because the BIBLE SAYS THEY DID IN THE DAYS OF NOAH AND AFTER THE FLOOD ALSO. You can't say it's unscriptural to believe it will happen again because the BIBLE SAYS THAT WHICH HAS BEEN IS NOW AND WHAT SHALL BE HAS ALREADY BEEN. So how is what I'm saying unscriptural when the Bible says the same thing? :prayer: The devil has more power in the earth if he has a physical body.

[LilAngelHeart]

Umm...LAH, there are literally millions of websites which deny the existance of God. Are they right? Just becaue you can cite a couple of crackpots who believe that the Bible speaks of alien abduction doesn't make it true. It just means that you are not the only misled person in the world. You needn't have posted a link to prove that.



Hmmmm....strange....not a single one of those verses mention aliens. :scratch: Ironic. :confused: Equally telling is that you post a verse citing an intentionally false report in support of your postion (Num 13:33). Seriously, spend a bit less time trying to find support for the idea of aliens in the Bible and a little more time trying to figure out what the Bible actually says. It will help you a lot.




33 There we saw the giants[a] (the descendants of Anak came from the giants); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”


Ummm, what are you trying to say is a false report concerning this verse??? :scratch: They saw the giants who were so huge that they looked like grasshoppers in comparison. How is that a false report, it's what the Bible says. That lets us know how huge those creatures were. If someone today saw a huge creature like that, what would most call it?? They would call it an alien, the devil by any other name is still the devil. A giant by any other name is still a giant. So I don't see what you think is supposed to be a false reporting of the scripture.

[sparkyman481]

Tell me this, do you believe what the Bible says when it says that the fallen angels mated with human women creating giants in the land? Do you believe giants existed in the Bible? :)



LilAngelHeart

Can you tell me where this is in the bible? I can't find it.

Thanks

[LilAngelHeart]

This is what I've always learned also. Having read your posts, I'm glad to be in agreement with you.

I just don't understand the fascination with "secret codes of the Bible." God gave us so much when He gave us Scripture. Why don't we appreciate what we have more and stop looking for what might not even be there.


How can you just close the door, shut the lid down and say, okay I have learned everything the Bible has to say to mankind? That's almost as bad as saying you have outgrown the Bible. LOL! You can never reach a point where you have learned everything the Bible has to say to the believers. ;) Plus the book of Revelations itself tells us to calculate the number of the beast. Calculate implies numbers and code right there. ;) Who can say for sure that God did not put codes in His word that only people in the end times with technology can see & read? Don't put God in a box, He had some of his followers to bathe in one of the dirtiest filthiest rivers to get their healing. God can work through any means He wants to. Surely you must know that God always knew how the world would be in the end times with technology and computers etc. So it's possible for Him to put things there just for us in our times with our technology to see. Why is that so hard for you to think about. How can you continue to grow if you are stuck in only one gear? Plus, anything that confirms the Bible and what God says His Word is, I would not try to debunk or fight against. If anything, Bible codes only confirm the awesomeness of God's word written and inspired by God. Why fight that whether you believe it's real or not? :angel: God does deal in signs & miracles, and people are always womdering why there are no signs and miracles today, yet when God does some they let the world steal it from them by making them think it's not real. Bible codes are not unscriptural, so if it confirms God's word and is not unscriptural or is not against the scripture, why fight it?

People get stuck in a religious type of legalistic following of God's word to the point where they can't grow and they stifle God trying teach people more because they have to follow religious "tradition" and cannot think outside the religious legalistic ways of thought. Some believe smoking is not a sin yet they fight against Bible codes and that alien activity is really the devil's activity and movement in the earth. :scratch:

[LilAngelHeart]

LilAngelHeart

Can you tell me where this is in the bible? I can't find it.

Thanks


:angel: Okay sure, it's right here:

Genesis 6 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain



Genesis 6
1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

5And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

7And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

8But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.


The infiltration of the unholy offspring and their influence in the earth making men to become totally evil was so bad that it grieved God's heart and made Him destroy the whole earth with the flood and only Noah and his family survived.

[LilAngelHeart]

The book of Enoch goes even more indepth concerning the fallen angels mating with human women that Genesis 6 talks about. :angel:

The Book of Enoch

Chapter 6, VI

1. And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. 2. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.' 3. And Semjaza, ( Satan has many names)

Who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.'



. And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.'(satan and his followers) . Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. . And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it.

. And these are the names of their leaders: Samlazaz, their leader, Araklba, Rameel, Kokablel, Tamlel, Ramlel, Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal, Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaq1el, Samsapeel, Satarel, Turel, Jomjael, Sariel.

8. These are their chiefs of tens.

And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one,

and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. Teaching them sorcery, incantations, and the dividing of roots and trees.

And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: . Who consumed all the

acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against them and devoured mankind

, These devoured all which the labor of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them; When they turned themselves against men, in order to devour them; These devoured all which the labor of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them;

. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood.


. And began to injure birds, beasts, reptiles, and fishes, to eat their flesh one after another, and to drink their blood.

. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.

. Then the earth reproved the unrighteous

Chapter 8, VIII

Chapter 8, VIII

1. And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures. (The Greek & Roman gods were supposedly credited in myths for bringing mankind technology and civilization, the "aliens" also claim to have come here and given mankind technology and civilization, it's all the activity of the devil & fallen angels )

. Moreover Azazyel taught men to make swords, knives, shields, breastplates, the fabrication of mirrors, and the workmanship of bracelets and ornaments, the use of paint, the beautifying of the eyebrows, the use of stones of every valuable and select kind, and all sorts of dyes, so that the world became altered.

2. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways.

2. Impiety increased; fornication multiplied; and they transgressed and corrupted all their ways.

. Semjaza taught enchantments, and root-cuttings,

3. Amazarak taught all the sorcerers, and dividers of roots:

'Armaros the resolving of enchantments,

4. Armers taught the solution of sorcery;

Baraqijal (taught) astrology,

5. Barkayal taught the observers of the stars,

Kokabel the constellations,

6. Akibeel taught signs;

Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds,

7. Tamiel taught astronomy

Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon.

8. And Asaradel taught the motion of the moon,

(These things make me think of time travel and space travel and related things of science we know today. If they tought them back then, who's to say they didn't teach them in a future time, like as "aliens")

. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven . . .

. And men, being destroyed, cried out; and their voice reached to heaven.

12. And the fifth was named Kasdeja: 17. The name of the fifth is Kasyade:

this is he who showed the children of men all the wicked smitings of spirits and demons, he discovered to the children of men every wicked stroke of spirits and of demons:

and the smitings of the embryo in the womb, 18. The stroke of the embryo in the womb,

that it may pass away, to diminish it;

Who still thinks that abortion is not a sin??? Abortion and pro-choice is evil.

[LilAngelHeart]

More from the book of Enoch telling of the fallen Angels judgement from God:.

And again the Lord said to Raphael: 'Bind Azazel hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening in the desert, which is in Dudael, and cast him therein. .

And place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, . Throw upon him hurled and pointed stones, covering him with darkness;

and let him abide there for ever, and cover his face that he may not see light.

And on the day of the great judgement he shall be cast into the fire.

. And heal the earth which the angels have corrupted, and proclaim the healing of the earth, that they may heal the plague, Restore the earth, which the angels have corrupted; and announce life to it, that I may revive it.

and that all the children of men may not perish through all the secret things that the Watchers have disclosed and have taught their sons.

. And the whole earth has been corrupted through the works that were taught by Azazel: to him ascribe all sin.' to him therefore ascribe the whole crime


And the Lord said unto Michael: 'Go, bind Semjaza and his associates who have united themselves with women so as to have defiled themselves with them in all their uncleanness.

And when their sons have slain one another, and they have seen the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them fast for seventy generations in the valleys of the earth, till the day of their judgement and of their consummation, till the judgement that is for ever and ever is consummated.

Then shall they be taken away into the lowest depths of the fire in torments; and in confinement shall they be shut up for ever.

Immediately after this shall he, together with them, burn and perish;

And whosoever shall be condemned and destroyed will from thenceforth be bound together with them to the end of all generations. they shall be bound until the consummation of many generations.

And destroy all the spirits of the reprobate and the children of the Watchers, because they have wronged mankind. Destroy all the souls addicted to dalliance, and the offspring of the Watchers, for they have tyrannized over mankind.

'Enoch, thou scribe of righteousness, go, declare to the Watchers of the heaven who have left the high heaven, the holy eternal place, and have defiled themselves with women,

and have done as the children of earth do, and have taken unto themselves wives: "Ye have wrought great destruction on the earth: . And have done as the sons of men do, by taking to themselves wives, and who have been greatly corrupted on the earth; "

And ye shall have no peace nor forgiveness of sin: and inasmuch as they delight themselves in their children, . That on the earth they shall never obtain peace and remission of sin. For they shall not rejoice in their offspring;

and because of all the works of godlessness and unrighteousness and sin which thou hast shown to men.'

Then I went and spoke to them all together,

and they were all afraid, and fear and trembling seized them. And they all became terrified, and trembled;

And they besought me to draw up a petition for them that they might find forgiveness, and to read their petition in the presence of the Lord of heaven.

Then I wrote out their petition, and the prayer in re