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Help-me-learn
3rd September 2002, 10:34 PM
Will Heaven be in the presence of Jesus, even If it is here on earth when He reigns?

Patmosman_sga
6th September 2002, 10:22 AM
Heaven and earth are two dimensions of the same created order. All of creation experiences the effects of the fall, therefore, all of creation must be redeemed out of its state of fallenness. It is for this purpose that Christ died and rose again: to save fallen humanity from sin and to reverse the effects of the fall upon all of creation. The Christian hope for a better life to come is not dualistic, that is, leaving a hopelessly evil "earth" for an eternity in an always "good" heaven. Rather, it is the hope, already confirmed in Christ, that we will be a part of a fully redeemed creation, heaven and earth restored to their original splendor with Christ himself personally present in our midst.

Job_38
6th September 2002, 08:10 PM
Which makes my mouth water so to speak.

Help-me-learn
6th September 2002, 10:08 PM
Duane, what do you mean we become angels? Where is that in the bible.

Job_38
7th September 2002, 01:31 AM
I think he mean we are given perfect bodies and a perfect mindset.

crab cruton
17th January 2003, 04:35 AM
We will all be lifted into heaven when we die, granted we accept the grace of God offered throught Christ Jesus, until the second coming of Christ.  Then, Christ will set up his kingdom on earth, and we will all be here (on earth) to worship him.  So in a sense, heaven will be in the presence of Jesus, where ever he is.

ikester7579
25th January 2003, 04:17 AM
There are three heavens. The one we see with our eyes, the one the devil and his demons are which is in the air, and the one where God is. As far as when he reigns. He will bring Heaven to Earth. Earth will be made perfect again, like when Adam and Eve were in the Garden before sin entered in.

About the 3 Heavens. Satan in one verse made the comment that he would set his throne above God's. Which means his is lower. In another verse an Angel that came down from the third heaven to minister to someone (cannot recall name, will look up later unless someone knows) and makes the comment that they would have been there sooner but had to fight the powers and princapalities before reaching him. Which means Satan is between us and Heaven at the moment(Hell is where he's headed in the end). It's 2:00am right now and my mind has turned to mush lol. Will pick up next time where left off. If someone can fill in blanks feel free to do so.