speaking in tongues?

[gtsecc]

Do anyone of you speak in tongues?
Has anyone in the EO Church ever?

[moses916]

Yes, however it is different from the "rambling" on tv or in pentecostal churches, it was widely used in the apostolic era, however now it isn't used that much, but is still used when needed, the difference is, many heterodox use it so often that its lost its purpose, they use it to simply show others they are spirit-bearers rather than communicating to other ppl in their native language (and the ramblings are just weird in itself), there was a great story that showed what speaking of tongues really is, anwyays i'll just explain it, there was a monk, and a lady showed up to talk to the monk, however he was Greek and she was French speaking, so he talked in a language that any body could understand, and to her it seemed like he was talking in French, however to the other Greeks, they testified he spoke in Greek. So every nation will understand this language but in their own native tongue. Plz correct me if i'm wrong. :)

[Happy Orthodox]

gtsecc, Orthodox distinguish between demonic speaking in tongues and the gift that comes from the True Holy Spirit. Demonic one is very common, and everyone can practice it. Pagans do that all the time to "connect" or "commune" to the spirits of darkness. The gift that comes from the Spirit is very rare, and is only applied when there is a need for it. Meaning, when someone needs to pass a message to someone of another language or preach or say something important and there is no other way of communication. God does not do nonSENSE things, and He does not want us to do them. It is deamons who make us believe and do all sorts of wierd things. And in order to obtain that holy gift of speaking another language, one needs to be saved first. And salvation is a process in Orthodoxy, which we all are undergoing as Orthodox, and the Church is helping us. Anyway, it's a huge topic, and it reaches the heart of rich and complex Orthodox teaching.

[gtsecc]

gtsecc, Orthodox distinguish between demonic speaking in tongues and the gift that comes from the True Holy Spirit. Demonic one is very common, and everyone can practice it. Pagans do that all the time to "connect" or "commune" to the spirits of darkness. The gift that comes from the Spirit is very rare, and is only applied when there is a need for it. Meaning, when someone needs to pass a message to someone of another language or preach or say something important and there is no other way of communication. God does not do nonSENSE things, and He does not want us to do them. It is deamons who make us believe and do all sorts of wierd things. And in order to obtain that holy gift of speaking another language, one needs to be saved first. And salvation is a process in Orthodoxy, which we all are undergoing as Orthodox, and the Church is helping us. Anyway, it's a huge topic, and it reaches the heart of rich and complex Orthodox teaching.
I think so too. Can you give me a source for this teaching?

[Happy Orthodox]

I think so too. Can you give me a source for this teaching?

Oh, man! You caught me right by the tail! Surely wasn't prepared for your request. Well, hmm, let's see.

I personally like Father Alexander's website: http://www.fatheralexander.org/page6.htm

There is a lot of reading there. But you can't learn about Orthodoxy overnight! It takes years upon years! And all of us here are still learning this very deep and elegant teaching. I am sure my fellow TAWers would provide some more links on this. But if you have specific questions, you can ask them in TAW. Well, you have been hanging around here for some time, you know that already...

[gtsecc]

I personally like Father Alexander's website: http://www.fatheralexander.org/page6.htm



Thank you.
Is one of those on demon possesion/ speaking in tongues?

[Dust and Ashes]

Thank you.
Is one of those on demon possesion/ speaking in tongues?

Check under "In defense of the faith" list. There is one article by Fr. Seraphim Rose about the charismatic movement and might be more there about it.

[repentant]

Speaking in tongues is not something that really has much focus put into it anymore. There have been certain saints and even people alive today, who have been known to speak to someone in their native language, which they did not know. Speaking in tongues, in the Biblical sense, refers to when the Holy Spirit descended on the Holy Apostles as tongues of fire, and they were able to speak to gentiles and other's in their language.

Acts 2:2-4
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

The Apostles were given the gift of "speaking in tounges" to spread the Gospel. That was the purpose. Not as some denoms. do and speak in a babbling language no one understands, to show they have the "Holy Spirit".

[Svt4Him]

Speaking in tongues is not something that really has much focus put into it anymore. There have been certain saints and even people alive today, who have been known to speak to someone in their native language, which they did not know. Speaking in tongues, in the Biblical sense, refers to when the Holy Spirit descended on the Holy Apostles as tongues of fire, and they were able to speak to gentiles and other's in their language.

Acts 2:2-4
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

The Apostles were given the gift of "speaking in tounges" to spread the Gospel. That was the purpose. Not as some denoms. do and speak in a babbling language no one understands, to show they have the "Holy Spirit".

Can you explain what was meant when it said those who speak in tongues speak to God, and no man understands? If no one understands, how is that spreading the gospel?

Thanks.

[moses916]

for example, if you speak french, another guy speaks arabic, and someone else speaks english, and lets say each person knows their native language only, lets say the english guy spoke in tongues, the french person would understand the language in french, the arabic guy would understand the language in arabic, so everyone will understand the language spoken by the english guy in their own native language if the english guy spoke in tongues, unlike all the nonsense rubbish spoken on tv and some churches where no one understands anything, not even the speaker. :)

[icxn]

Can you explain what was meant when it said those who speak in tongues speak to God, and no man understands? If no one understands, how is that spreading the gospel?

Thanks.

Excellent point! Because in another sense speaking in tongues refers to the inner prayer of the heart, which is widely known as the Jesus Prayer and which nobody understand i.e. hears as it is said silently. (cf. The Authentic Seal by Archim. Aimilianos)

For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one hears him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit. (1 Cor. 14:2)

icxn

[HolySpirit]

Do anyone of you speak in tongues?
Has anyone in the EO Church ever?
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A key moment of limbo

As a preamble of Pandemonium

Counts upon a slayer of man



A struggle of dark forces with light

In an age of arms done

A false path laid waste

Is foreseen bright?



Destitute spirits who followed

Satan's plight

My brothers’ judgment of thee

Is hereafter my capacity to comfort right?



All lamb's sheep contend against thee persecutor thy devil

Unless yea give way to a spiral empty of light

The almighty angels prepare for flight

Adhere with me when the torrent falls

I will provide solace



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Yet sunny meadows will remain

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Then crisp colors, gentle singing, and soothing waters will be seen

[moses916]

http://www.sfaturiortodoxe.ro/orthodox/orthodox_advices_cleopa_speaking_in_tongues.htm

[HolySpirit]

For Instance:

Ca jaa courlock, Eimhema tralco beiy nicke

;asuj DLIP' FADL;S
EIIPPW WOPOOO WOOPPS;D; ENC,WUWWL

[repentant]

Excellent point! Because in another sense speaking in tongues refers to the inner prayer of the heart, which is widely known as the Jesus Prayer and which nobody understand i.e. hears as it is said silently. (cf. The Authentic Seal by Archim. Aimilianos)

For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one hears him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit. (1 Cor. 14:2)

icxn


Yeah different meanings. I like this explanantion.

[Dust and Ashes]

Yes, however it is different from the "rambling" on tv or in pentecostal churches, it was widely used in the apostolic era, however now it isn't used that much, but is still used when needed, the difference is, many heterodox use it so often that its lost its purpose, they use it to simply show others they are spirit-bearers rather than communicating to other ppl in their native language (and the ramblings are just weird in itself), there was a great story that showed what speaking of tongues really is, anwyays i'll just explain it, there was a monk, and a lady showed up to talk to the monk, however he was Greek and she was French speaking, so he talked in a language that any body could understand, and to her it seemed like he was talking in French, however to the other Greeks, they testified he spoke in Greek. So every nation will understand this language but in their own native tongue. Plz correct me if i'm wrong. :)

This was Elder Porphyrios of Mount Athos. Here is the account from the book where I read it.

From the book *In Peace Let Us Pray to the Lord: An Orthodox Interpretation of the Gifts of the Spirit* (Salisbury, MA: Regina Orthodox Press, 2001), written by Fr. Alexis (Trader), an Athonite monk.

He relates the following from the life of the Holy Elder Porphyrios of Mt. Athos (+1991):

"The Elder's cell was often filled with visitors seeking his counsels, his blessing, and his prayers. Once among these visitors, there was a young French woman around twenty-five years of age who desired to receive the Elder's blessing. The Elder had her brought into his cell and asked if there was anyone present who spoke French. As Ms. Tasoula spoke French, she entered the Elder's cell as well.

"The Elder then told the translator to ask the French woman to tell him her name, what work she did, and if she was married. The translator asked the woman the Elder's questions, and the woman replied that her name was Anna, she was a professor, and unmarried. She had come here to Greece as a tourist.

"The Elder then asked her via the translator if she believed in God. The young woman answered, sobbing: 'I am a nihilist. Nothing exists.'

"At this point, the Elder told the translator to leave, despite the objections of others present who wondered how he would communicate with her. The Elder then held her head and asked her if she lived with her mother. And the woman answered.

"The Elder then said: 'My dear Anna, God loves you. He loves you. And God will speak to your little heart.' The Elder continued to speak to her, and the woman understood completely. He talked alone with her for some time.

"When the French woman came out of his cell, she was quite enthusiastic, exclaiming: 'Who told you that the Elder does not know French? He told me everything! He told me everything!' She was quite moved.

"When the Elder was questioned about what took place, he explained that he spoke in Greek and 'heard' the woman's responses in Greek, while she spoke in French and 'heard' his advice in French. "

[prodromos]

Just an addendum to the above post. When the above occured, Elder Porphyrios was no longer residing on Mount Athos but was about an hours drive from Athens.

[moses916]

thanx forgivensinner001, i was ripping my hair out trying to find that story! :)

[rhyddid_rose]

To Life Immortal

Certain churches say that if you dont speak in tongues, you're not 'saved'. I have heard of people faking it by quickly repeating a phrase. Nice, eh?

I, personally, do not believe in tongue-speaking like the Pentecostal/Apostolic crowd do. I will not go about saying things I do not understand. How do I know if I am praising God or telling Him to sod off? I can speak at least 4 languages; surely one of them is sufficient to pray and give praise in. ;)

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