Questioning

[Tangnefedd]

I believe it is right to question everything that is served up to us faith-wise, especially if it doesn't make sense to one.

I was forced to attend a pentecostal church as a child where I was spiritually abused with hell-fire scenarios. As soon as I left home to marry at the age of 19, I kicked God into touch until I reached my 50th birthday in 2000 when I revisited my spirituality. I style myself a liberal Christian as I believe Christianity, warts and all, has more to offer me personally than other faiths. however, I don't believe one should passively accept all its teaching without questioning. I have read the Bible from cover to cover on a number of occasions and as I do so I ask even more questions. I plod on more in hope than expectation of finding the answers I seek, but the answers have to come from within me, I can't live another person's experience.

I don't apologise for asking questions, or pointing out something that doesn't make sense to me, I am aware this upsets some posters, but that is the way I am.

[JVD]

I also believe you should question everything.

But, when you say that the answers must come from within you I wonder if you are a little to far out on the limb.

Although we should question everything, we should also accept the answers when we find them. And we should be willing to operate with incomplete information.

There is really not much that can be known in this world without any doubt at all. So, if the evidence points predominately toward some truth, a wise person at some point accepts that and uses that as a step toward another higher truth. If you don't do that you will always be only a questioner.

All that is to say, focus your attention on Jesus Christ. The questions that need to be answered are: Was he a historical person? Did he really die for the purposes given in the Bible? Did he really rise from the dead?

If you eventually answer all three as a YES based on the available evidence as I have. Then your search really is over. All the other questions, (and there are plenty of them), are minor in comparison.

[marooyce]

I don't believe one should passively accept all its teaching without questioning.

Right. But don't start questioning wihout being able to provide sincere answers. Even if it means tearing down your comfort and prejudice.

[Tangnefedd]

I can only accept something if I believe it to be true, I would be the worst kind of hypocrite if I went along with something just so I can be an insider, instead of on the outside looking in!

[marooyce]

I mean, the risk when you start questioning is that you may find some answers you don't like.
The man you were when you started asking questions may transform into something else, once you got the answer. The truth is changing the human.
The truth absorbed is softening the heart.
The truth rejected is hardening the heart.
You'll never be the same.

[Tangnefedd]

I am a woman actually.:D

[JVD]

I can only accept something if I believe it to be true, I would be the worst kind of hypocrite if I went along with something just so I can be an insider, instead of on the outside looking in!

So what do you currently believe about Jesus Christ?

[Tangnefedd]

I think there is probably enough historical evidence to suggest that Jesus existed, and that he was a very charismatic person. I think he was fully human whilst on earth, as for the rest, the jury is still out and I am considering it.

[stone]

you appear to have some resentment

[Tangnefedd]

Resentment, no I don't think so. Just a little gobsmacked at how the debate is going!

[stone]

what debate?

[Tangnefedd]

Time to get our evening meal! I shall look in later on when I have fed my family!

[New_Wineskin]

I believe it is right to question everything that is served up to us faith-wise, especially if it doesn't make sense to one.

I was forced to attend a pentecostal church as a child where I was spiritually abused with hell-fire scenarios. As soon as I left home to marry at the age of 19, I kicked God into touch until I reached my 50th birthday in 2000 when I revisited my spirituality. I style myself a liberal Christian as I believe Christianity, warts and all, has more to offer me personally than other faiths. however, I don't believe one should passively accept all its teaching without questioning. I have read the Bible from cover to cover on a number of occasions and as I do so I ask even more questions. I plod on more in hope than expectation of finding the answers I seek, but the answers have to come from within me, I can't live another person's experience.

I don't apologise for asking questions, or pointing out something that doesn't make sense to me, I am aware this upsets some posters, but that is the way I am.

I was forced as a child to attend the same religious denomination as my parents ( and over 90% of the town ) . Questions would bring ridicule and worse . The Pentecostals are not the only groups . It is accross the board .

[Tangnefedd]

I remember asking the pastor, a YEC, when I was about 12, where dinosaurs fitted in. He said God put them there as a test of faith. I remember thinking what a stupid answer that was, and tuned out after that!

[SUNSTONE]

I believe it is right to question everything that is served up to us faith-wise, especially if it doesn't make sense to one.

I was forced to attend a pentecostal church as a child where I was spiritually abused with hell-fire scenarios. As soon as I left home to marry at the age of 19, I kicked God into touch until I reached my 50th birthday in 2000 when I revisited my spirituality. I style myself a liberal Christian as I believe Christianity, warts and all, has more to offer me personally than other faiths. however, I don't believe one should passively accept all its teaching without questioning. I have read the Bible from cover to cover on a number of occasions and as I do so I ask even more questions. I plod on more in hope than expectation of finding the answers I seek, but the answers have to come from within me, I can't live another person's experience.

I don't apologise for asking questions, or pointing out something that doesn't make sense to me, I am aware this upsets some posters, but that is the way I am.

The bible says let every man be convinced in his own eyes.
So you are right to question almost anything.

[MbiaJc]

I believe it is right to question everything that is served up to us faith-wise, especially if it doesn't make sense to one.

I was forced to attend a pentecostal church as a child where I was spiritually abused with hell-fire scenarios. As soon as I left home to marry at the age of 19, I kicked God into touch until I reached my 50th birthday in 2000 when I revisited my spirituality. I style myself a liberal Christian as I believe Christianity, warts and all, has more to offer me personally than other faiths. however, I don't believe one should passively accept all its teaching without questioning. I have read the Bible from cover to cover on a number of occasions and as I do so I ask even more questions. I plod on more in hope than expectation of finding the answers I seek, but the answers have to come from within me, I can't live another person's experience.

I don't apologise for asking questions, or pointing out something that doesn't make sense to me, I am aware this upsets some posters, but that is the way I am.


The devil is doing the same thing in these days as he did in the garden with Eve. He is saying to Christians "yeah just what does God's word say". He is having some doubt a lot of the OT as fables and that Paul's writings are not authorative that they were written by just a mear man.

The only thing I can tell you is, it is by faith we believe every word of scripture. Once you believe that the scriptures will come alive for you. And if it is not by faith God don't wont it.

To start with some scriptures are not going to make sense to you.

1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, arecalled: 1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 1Co 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to naught things that are: 1Co 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.


We should question everything our preachers and teachers tell us, and search the scriptures to see whether what they say is so. HOwever we should never question the Bible, for it is there and only there we can go for absolute truth. If one questions what the Bible says then one has no place to go for absolute truth.

[JVD]

I think there is probably enough historical evidence to suggest that Jesus existed, and that he was a very charismatic person. I think he was fully human whilst on earth, as for the rest, the jury is still out and I am considering it.

Well, that's a start. Have you read "The Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel? I'm not sure of the spelling of the authors name. It's an interesting book and lays out some good evidence for the resurrection of Christ. Of course, there will always be ways to question everything it is important to weight the evidence.

[sk8Joyful]

it is by faith we believe every word of scripture. Once you believe that, the scriptures will come alive for you. And if it is not by faith God don't want it.
Hello MbiaJc,
re this last sentence (underlined, forgive me): What led you to believe that?
iow, does this mean, you are not aware yet? how to actually *know* Scriptural-truths.

To start with some scriptures are not going to make sense to you.
1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, arecalled: 1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 1Co 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to naught things that are: 1Co 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
Curiously, did you give the above as an example of scripture not making 'sense'?

We should question everything our preachers and teachers tell us, and search the scriptures to see whether what they say is so. However we should never question the Bible, for it is there and only there we can go for absolute truth. If one questions what the Bible says then one has no place to go for absolute truth.
Could you clear this up a bit, I wonder:
IF God only wants our acceptance by 'faith', and some scriptures won't make 'sense' - *how
can you know* you've got 'absolute thruth' ?

Thank you, for further understanding:wave:

[sk8Joyful]

I believe it is right to question everything that is served up to us faith-wise, especially if it doesn't make sense to one.
Yes,
agreed;) And is there any facet of our life, not served up to us by 'faith' ? - how about in 'medicine'?, 'school'?, government? younameit?...

... the answers have to come from 'within' me
That's
quite a dilemma: Either 'preacherS' serve Truth, or the Truth comes from withIN you? - might there be another *spiritually-safe*-choice, you think ?

I don't apologise for asking questions, or pointing out something that doesn't make sense to me, I am aware this upsets some posters, but that is the way I am.
Bingo -
you keep right on *asking:thumbsup:questions*, and pointing out things that 'don't:confused:make sense'. (Each of us started on this journey-of-exploration just as soon as we could talk, right? - only at some point (usually around pre-school) - the 'i-know-EVERY-thing' crowd succeeds in hushing us. And to varying-greater degrees, from then it seems mostly natural for most people to sorta float along on the bottom of the sea-floor, while continuing insisting 'This is ALL there is'.
Well,
you may wanna enjoy:Dsurfacing, increasingly :wave:

[MbiaJc]

Quotehttp://www3.christianforums.com/images/quotes/quot-top-right.gif http://www3.christianforums.com/images/quotes/quot-by-left.gifOriginally Posted by: MbiaJc http://www3.christianforums.com/images/quotes/quot-by-right.gifhttp://www3.christianforums.com/images/quotes/quot-top-right-10.gifit is by faith we believe every word of scripture. Once you believe that, the scriptures will come alive for you. And if it is not by faith God don't want it.

Heb 11:6 But without faith itis impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.


Hello MbiaJc,
re this last sentence (underlined, forgive me): What led you to believe that?
iow, does this mean, you are not aware yet? how to actually *know* Scriptural-truths.


No I am telling you that we accet God's word by faith. That it is absoult truth.
(did you read all my post, if you did you should have understood what I am saying.)

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To start with some scriptures are not going to make sense to you.
1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, arecalled: 1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 1Co 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to naught things that are: 1Co 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.http://www3.christianforums.com/images/quotes/quot-bot-left.gifhttp://www3.christianforums.com/images/quotes/quot-bot-right.gif

Curiously, did you give the above as an example of scripture not making 'sense'?

Scripture does not make sense to the Natural man he canot understand it. For his ways and understanding is not God's ways and understanding. However we as spiritual man understand God's word, but the natural man cannot and never will unless he is born again.

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We should question everything our preachers and teachers tell us, and search the scriptures to see whether what they say is so. However we should never question the Bible, for it is there and only there we can go for absolute truth. If one questions what the Bible says then one has no place to go for absolute truth.http://www3.christianforums.com/images/quotes/quot-bot-left.gifhttp://www3.christianforums.com/images/quotes/quot-bot-right.gif

Could you clear this up a bit, I wonder:
IF God only wants our acceptance by 'faith', and some scriptures won't make 'sense' - *how
can you know* you've got 'absolute thruth' ?



You are not paying close enough attention to what I wrote. For I have already answered this, but I will again.

Before a person is born again hardly any of scripture really makes sence to him. Once you are quickend by the Spirit scriptures start to come alive and make sence. However you will haft to study and restudy scripture to get all the meanin God intends for you to get. I always suggest for a new believer to read the NT through about twice, not studying just reading. Then read the whole bible from cover to cover two or three times. Then start studying the scriptures. Stay away from prophecy till you have a pretty good grip on the foundation of the Gospel. Study the foundation doctrine as laid down in Hebrew six.

The Bible says to seek God's knowledge as seeking silver and gold and precious stones.

How do you know you got absoult truth? Like I said at first we take God's word by faith. Then as we grow with the Holy Spirit teaching us there will be no doubt to you that God's word is absoult truth and only God's word holds absolute truth for a Christian. I ask you as a Christion where else would you go looking for truth?

To qustion God's Word would not be a way to show God you take it by faith. Its alright to questin what you or others do but not what God does and says.
In some cermonstances it is alright to bargin with God, you will see this when you read His word.

Hope this helps, be sure to read it all?

[deskjockey]

I think there is probably enough historical evidence to suggest that Jesus existed, and that he was a very charismatic person. I think he was fully human whilst on earth, as for the rest, the jury is still out and I am considering it.

How is it that this belief qualifies you as a christian?

AND if your drawing a faith out of a hat due to what it has to offer you, you'll not figure this stuff out, over 50 or not.

[Tangnefedd]

I don't have to qualify myself to anyone but myself do I?

[JVD]

You know, I wonder if you are searching for answers...or just questioning?

[sk8Joyful]

Scripture does not make sense to the Natural man he can not understand it. For his ways and understanding is not God's ways and understanding.
However we as spiritual man understand God's word, but the natural man cannot and never will unless he is born again.
Agreed, as far as Spiritual-*principles*.

(did you read all my post, if you did you should have understood what I am saying.)
YES, I did read 'all' your post.

As well, apparently you missed 1 point I made. And yes, I am a Christian (non-denominational: as per my faith-icon)

We should question everything our preachers and (other) teachers tell us.
You are not paying close enough attention to what I wrote. For I have already answered this, but
I will again.
Before a person is born again hardly any of scripture really makes sence to him. Once you are quickend by the Spirit scriptures start to come alive and make sense.

How do you know you got absoult truth?
I ask you, as a Christian, where else would you go looking for truth?
To question God's Word would not be a way to show God you take it by faith. Its alright to questin what you or others do but not what God does and says.
In some cermonstances it is alright to bargain with God, you will see this when you read His word.
Hope this helps, be sure to read it all?
You asked: 'I ask you, as a Christian, where else would you go looking for truth?'

My response: 'Agreed, accepting *spiritual-PRINCIPLES, via the Holy Ghost* is good advice.

But to believe Faith is the only way to a *Christian-conversion* is clearly folly.

And the point I made, in my previous post: Any person, so interested, can know Biblical-EVENTS. - Meaning to say, an un-Believer can investigate for her/him-self any-event: past, present, & future. And
having done so, make the CHOICE to *convert to Christianity*, and be saved in God's kingdom.

Now, do you comprehend better?:wave:

[Tangnefedd]

It is hypocrital to try to force oneself to believe something one doesn't!

[sk8Joyful]

It is hypocrital to try to force oneself to believe 'something' one doesn't!
Would you, please, offer some 'specifics' - Thanks :wave:

[Tangnefedd]

Ok. I certainly don't believe in the literal truth of the Bible where much of OT is concerned, not many Christians do these days.

As for the NT I am not sure how much I buy the accounts of the life of Jesus, are they exaggerated? As for the so called virgin birth and crucifixition, could the writers have over egged the pudding so to speak. The crucifixition was such a terrible thing to happen to a great leader, that bringing him back to life was the only option to give him crediblity. I am not saying this is so, just a possibility

[sk8Joyful]

Hi Liberal-christian,
(Off-topic here: The 1st. time I noticed your Sig., I just cracked-up lol. How funny -
The rumour that my method of locomotion is a broomstick is pure speculation!:D -
what's the history behind this one, may I ask ?;))

Ok. I certainly don't believe in the literal truth of the Bible where much of OT is concerned, not many Christians do these days.
Since you have 'polled' a majority of Christians re *Literal OT-truth*, and what a 'majority' of people think - isn't my concern, I'll leave that for them to debate.

As for the NT:
I am not sure how much I buy the accounts of the life of Jesus, are they exaggerated?
As for the so called virgin birth and crucifixition, could the writers have over egged the pudding so to speak. The crucifixition was such a terrible thing to happen to a great leader, that bringing him back to life was the only option to give him crediblity. I am not saying this is so, just a possibility
Interesting; re:
1. 'accounts of the life of Jesus, are they exaggerated?'
and
2. 'JESUS, as a great leader'
and
3. 'bringing him back to life was the only option to give him crediblity. I am not saying this is so, just a possibility'
- does all this mean: *you* do (not-yet?) accept:)confess Jesus Christ as your Savior :wave:

But all this debating aside:
Last I checked this out with God, here's His Biblical-summary:
Matthew 22:37-40 : Upon these two commandments hang ALL the Law and the Prophets
The 1st. pertained to loving God, with ALL your soul/mind/body-being (in synergy together).
and
The 2nd. pertained to loving all others AS God 1st. loved us.
and

3. The term 'repentance' is a military one meaning to do an 'about face.' One is heading in one direction and he turns around to head in the opposite direction. Jesus preached repentance in connection to salvation. Repentance comes before conversion. Conversion is more than a change of mind, it is a total change of character accomplished by the work of God. Jesus declared, 'And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven' (Matthew 18:3). We must be WILLING for God to change us. Those who are not willing are not changed.
and

You enjoy chatting over those 3 main Bible themes, as a little child-of-God, at Jesus' feet often? :wave:

[Tangnefedd]

My husband reckons that I would fly around the chimney pots on Hallowe'en if I had a specially re-enforced broomstick.:D

[JVD]

The crucifixition was such a terrible thing to happen to a great leader, that bringing him back to life was the only option to give him crediblity.

This really is THE question. But if you aren't willing to openly consider the evidence then for you...you have your answer.

Either Jesus came back to life, or he didn't. If he didn't then we are all really wasting our time. To consider one's self a christian without believing that Jesus came back to life and thus proved to be God, is redefining christianity. You are really saying then that you want to call yourself a christian because of the philosophy Jesus taught, but you won't WORSHIP Jesus as God. Therefore, christianity is only a philosophy of life.

[deskjockey]

I don't have to qualify myself to anyone but myself do I?

Yes, actually you do. Being a christian IS believing that Jesus is God's son and DID die for our sins, thereby closing the gap between man and God.

And before you start typing, NO you don't have to qualify yourself to a forum, but you do when you stand before Abba Father.

Forgive me for this but I think your spending alot of time fooling yourself and getting a warm fuzzy out of being a christian without being sure. If I was right where you are, or my perception of where you are, I'd get on my face and ask God to tear down the walls around my heart, to usher in the Holy Spirit and to guide me to a relationship with him and salvation.:prayer:

Ok, you're turn, go for it.;)

[buffedstuff]

..................

[Tangnefedd]

I don't hate God, in fact I chat to him/her all the time in a conversational sort of way, (I can chat for the universe, God probably tunes out after a while.:D) I just don't buy all the crap that some folk surround him with that is all! I think the divine spark inside one should be like a friend of equal status. I prefer to treat God like a mate, rather than someone to worship. I don't do the bowing down bit to anyone!

[JVD]

I don't hate God, in fact I chat to him/her all the time in a conversational sort of way, (I can chat for the universe, God probably tunes out after a while.) I just don't buy all the crap that some folk surround him with that is all! I think the divine spark inside one should be like a friend of equal status. I prefer to treat God like a mate, rather than someone to worship. I don't do the bowing down bit to anyone

So...why do you call yourself a christian?

[Tangnefedd]

Why not? I empathise more with Christianity than other faiths!

[deskjockey]

Why not? I empathise more with Christianity than other faiths!

Why not? You empathise? you're kidding right? all this seemingly clever banter and this is the best answer you've got? Negative. Read the book.

CHRISTIAN -- believing in and thru Jesus Christ.

[JVD]

I have to agree with desk jockey.

I suppose you can call yourself anything you like. But that does not make it so. I don't think you are even seriously questioning anything. Just because you bring up questions doesn't make you serious. If you are not willing to do a little research to look for answers, all you are is a questioner...which is really nothing. You should call yourself an agnostic, because that is really what you are.

[Tangnefedd]

I don't have to explain myself, or my motives, to you lot. You all think you have it sussed but I don't believe you do. You think you have the truth all wrapped up but I don't think you do! Of course I could have it all wrong, but at least I admit to that possibility, which is more than anyone one else on these forums seems to do. There are great dangers in thinking you are completely right!

[JVD]

I don't have to explain myself, or my motives, to you lot. You all think you have it sussed but I don't believe you do. You think you have the truth all wrapped up but I don't think you do! Of course I could have it all wrong, but at least I admit to that possibility, which is more than anyone one else on these forums seems to do. There are great dangers in thinking you are completely right!

No one has said they are completely right. At some point you take the evidence as direction and then faith takes over. You can always raise questions, about anything. But at some point you make conclusions and decisions, or you go nowhere.

If you are satisfied with being nowhere, that is your choice. But it is a very dangerous choice to really be standing still because you see questions all around you.

[Tangnefedd]

Who says I am standing still?

[ThankyouJesus]

I believe it is right to question everything that is served up to us faith-wise, especially if it doesn't make sense to one.

I was forced to attend a pentecostal church as a child where I was spiritually abused with hell-fire scenarios. As soon as I left home to marry at the age of 19, I kicked God into touch until I reached my 50th birthday in 2000 when I revisited my spirituality. I style myself a liberal Christian as I believe Christianity, warts and all, has more to offer me personally than other faiths. however, I don't believe one should passively accept all its teaching without questioning. I have read the Bible from cover to cover on a number of occasions and as I do so I ask even more questions. I plod on more in hope than expectation of finding the answers I seek, but the answers have to come from within me, I can't live another person's experience.

I don't apologise for asking questions, or pointing out something that doesn't make sense to me, I am aware this upsets some posters, but that is the way I am.

You are very right ~ I did it on my own and it was hard ~ I disagreed with many religions ~ you should be able to ask questions as much as you want ~ the more you seek the more you will find ~ I did and it all makes sense to me ~ and be careful of sheep coming in wolves clothing.

peace

[Harlan Norris]

I believe it is right to question everything that is served up to us faith-wise, especially if it doesn't make sense to one.

I was forced to attend a pentecostal church as a child where I was spiritually abused with hell-fire scenarios. As soon as I left home to marry at the age of 19, I kicked God into touch until I reached my 50th birthday in 2000 when I revisited my spirituality. I style myself a liberal Christian as I believe Christianity, warts and all, has more to offer me personally than other faiths. however, I don't believe one should passively accept all its teaching without questioning. I have read the Bible from cover to cover on a number of occasions and as I do so I ask even more questions. I plod on more in hope than expectation of finding the answers I seek, but the answers have to come from within me, I can't live another person's experience.

I don't apologise for asking questions, or pointing out something that doesn't make sense to me, I am aware this upsets some posters, but that is the way I am.I believe this is how it's done. I read the Bible and as I do I hear an inspirational voice that illuminates the scripture. The conclusins I have come to in this fashion are not unscriptural. However some are unpopular. There's been a marriage of church and state, that has sqeued some scripture to suit it's purpose. These teachings, I ignore.

[MbiaJc]

Agreed, as far as Spiritual-*principles*.

YES, I did read 'all' your post.

As well, apparently you missed 1 point I made. And yes, I am a Christian (non-denominational: as per my faith-icon)

You asked: 'I ask you, as a Christian, where else would you go looking for truth?'

My response: 'Agreed, accepting *spiritual-PRINCIPLES, via the Holy Ghost* is good advice.

But to believe Faith is the only way to a *Christian-conversion* is clearly folly.

And the point I made, in my previous post: Any person, so interested, can know Biblical-EVENTS. - Meaning to say, an un-Believer can investigate for her/him-self any-event: past, present, & future. And
having done so, make the CHOICE to *convert to Christianity*, and be saved in God's kingdom.

Now, do you comprehend better?:wave:

Heb 11:6 But without faith itis impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.


Let me ask you do you comprehend better or do you just leave the above verse out of your scriptures?

[MbiaJc]

Agreed, as far as Spiritual-*principles*.

YES, I did read 'all' your post.

As well, apparently you missed 1 point I made. And yes, I am a Christian (non-denominational: as per my faith-icon)

You asked: 'I ask you, as a Christian, where else would you go looking for truth?'

My response: 'Agreed, accepting *spiritual-PRINCIPLES, via the Holy Ghost* is good advice.

But to believe Faith is the only way to a *Christian-conversion* is clearly folly.

And the point I made, in my previous post: Any person, so interested, can know Biblical-EVENTS. - Meaning to say, an un-Believer can investigate for her/him-self any-event: past, present, & future. And
having done so, make the CHOICE to *convert to Christianity*, and be saved in God's kingdom.

Now, do you comprehend better?:wave:

Heb 11:6 But without faith itis impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.



Not unless they come by faith. We are saved by Grace through faith.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Do you comperhend that?

No man\woman can come to Jesus less the Father draw him.

Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Do you comperhend that also?