A Liberal Christian / Drinking boiling cold water?

[opakueken]

Does liberalness referring to Christianity make sence.
I ever thought, we should make every effort to enter kingdom of heaven as it is written in Matth 13:24


Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to.


Therefore my opinion is, that liberalness referring to Christianity is to compare with the church of Laodizea written in Rev 3

What do you say to this? (I ask especially those liberal Christians)

[Tangnefedd]

I prefer to be openminded than follow a rigid faith that does not allow for questioning!

[MbiaJc]

Does liberalness referring to Christianity make sence.
I ever thought, we should make every effort to enter kingdom of heaven as it is written in Matth 13:24


Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to.


Therefore my opinion is, that liberalness referring to Christianity is to compare with the church of Laodizea written in Rev 3

What do you say to this? (I ask especially those liberal Christians)

:clap: :amen: :amen: and :amen:

[opakueken]

I prefer to be openminded than follow a rigid faith that does not allow for questioning!

God said in Matth. 11:30

29 (http://www.bibleserver.com/act.php?aux=verse-40011029) Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 (http://www.bibleserver.com/act.php?aux=verse-40011030) For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.

[deskjockey]

I think questions are great and should be asked, the Holy Spirit wouldn't need to be a teacher if there were no questions. I think ignoring God's answers are a rampant problem.

[Artificial Intelligence]

I think ignoring God's answers are a rampant problem.yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyup

[SuzQ]

I think questions are great and should be asked, the Holy Spirit wouldn't need to be a teacher if there were no questions. I think ignoring God's answers are a rampant problem.

Exactly!!

I'm a former liberal, thankfully. I ran around like a "bleeding heart"-type for many, many years. The irony is that it's mainly Christian-based organizations that TRULY care about the welfare & charity to others, too. :doh:

It took me so long to change because, in reality, I was actually defending my own, bad choices for myself (such as an abortion :( ). Those who are so defiantly against asking Christ Himself for answers are those knowingly being "convicted" deep down in their hearts by the Holy Spirit for their lifestyles, so they are AFRAID of getting real answers or miracles.

It's when I DID start questioning & seeking God, finally, that the Lord Himself (not televangelists or others) revealed how wrong I was in the past (after I finally accepted Him as the "Commander" of my life). The Holy Spirit will give you clear answers when you ask. Most don't out of fear, unfortunately.

[Artificial Intelligence]

Exactly!!

I'm a former liberal, thankfully. I ran around like a "bleeding heart"-type for many, many years. The irony is that it's mainly Christian-based organizations that TRULY care about the welfare & charity to others, too. :doh:

I think he is talking about "liberal Christian theology" and not so much the liberal political parties, though birds of a feather....
(i.e. the bible is 100% the word of God which liberal christian theology refutes)
Great post though :thumbsup:

[SuzQ]

I think he is talking about "liberal Christian theology" and not so much the liberal political parties, though birds of a feather....
(i.e. the bible is 100% the word of God which liberal christian theology refutes)
Great post though :thumbsup:

Ah, I see. Well, yes, when I was a political liberal, I did share the Christian liberal notion that the Bible was full of inconsistencies, so you are correct in that observation, too.

I can understand the skepticsm. I would still be confused myself, even as a born-again Christian, if I didn't dedicate myself to weekly Bible Study. I've read & studied materials from true, "anointed" teachers like Chuck Swindoll, Beth Moore, Rick Warren, etc, etc. My brother, however, prefers that The Prayer of Jabez guy (name?), as well as Oswald Chambers (as does President Bush) for daily devotionals.

God's Word is amazing when you begin to understand it. :clap:

[Tangnefedd]

If Bush likes it then one would definitely steer well clear!:thumbsup:

[deskjockey]

Ah, I see. Well, yes, when I was a political liberal, I did share the Christian liberal notion that the Bible was full of inconsistencies, so you are correct in that observation, too.

I can understand the skepticsm. I would still be confused myself, even as a born-again Christian, if I didn't dedicate myself to weekly Bible Study. I've read & studied materials from true, "anointed" teachers like Chuck Swindoll, Beth Moore, Rick Warren, etc, etc. My brother, however, prefers that The Prayer of Jabez guy (name?), as well as Oswald Chambers (as does President Bush) for daily devotionals.

God's Word is amazing when you begin to understand it. :clap:

Bruce Wilkenson

[Athanasian Creed]

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I've read & studied materials from true, "anointed" teachers like Chuck Swindoll, Beth Moore, Rick Warren, etc, etc.

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Hmmm...about Rick Warren, you might want to read more about his "Purpose Driven Life" here -

http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/warren.htm
http://www.thebereancall.org/default.aspx

On the second site - go down to bottom of page "Free Critique" on the Purpose Driven Life. ;)


Ray :wave:

[SuzQ]

Hmmm...about Rick Warren, you might want to read more about his "Purpose Driven Life" here -

http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/warren.htm
http://www.thebereancall.org/default.aspx

On the second site - go down to bottom of page "Free Critique" on the Purpose Driven Life. ;)

Ray :wave:

:sigh: Thanks, but no thanks. I appreciate it, but not everyone is going to agree with him. So what if he attends a conference where Buddhists are, too?? Could his presence at these events possibly lead those other "new age" folks to consider Christianity?? :idea: See what I mean? I'm so tired of Christians actually picking apart other Christians.

I guess I'm passionate about Warren, because nothing can change the fact that his book, through NUMEROUS testimonies, has stopped suicides, gave that girl in Georgia a "tool" to use when that man shot everyone in the courthouse & "holed up" in her house (because of a chapter in that book she read aloud to him, he changed his tune, turned himself in, & what's to learn MORE about God.). He's reached multitudes with a message that God created you for a reason!! I loved his book, so my "critique" is all that matters, LOL!

Rick Warren actually came to our church last month, so I've seen firsthand what he teaches about leading people to Christ & helping them to discover what their true purpose/gift from God is. We do apply the Purpose Driven Church principles & are trying to reach the unsaved community with a warm, welcoming atomsphere, while not "watering down" the Bible at ALL.

What I will agree with is that the trouble with following ANY anointed teacher is you can't turn that teacher into an "idol". Take what they say that's useful to you, or speaks to you, and balance it with other teachings. Hence why our church makes it mandatory to read Charles Swindoll's book outlining Christianity for membership class, and we also offer Beth Moore Bible studies to women as well, among other such teachers. (She ROCKS!).

Rick Warren is the real deal, so forgive me for not joining others in questioning the "ethics" of a Christian brother. I'm too busy trying to help the "unsaved" to worry about the method used to show them God loves them & bring them to Christ. Why fix something that's not broke? ;) Some say we don't have much time left, and they could be right - so let's just win them over as fast as we can.

[Athanasian Creed]

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See what I mean? I'm so tired of Christians actually picking apart other Christians.

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I loved his book, so my "critique" is all that matters, LOL!

Rick Warren actually came to our church last month, so I've seen firsthand what he teaches about leading people to Christ ... while not "watering down" the Bible at ALL.

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Rick Warren is the real deal, so forgive me for not joining others in questioning the "ethics" of a Christian brother.


Hmmm....so much about your post sets off red alerts !

What you call "picking apart other Christians" is, in fact, critiquing his message, methodology, etc by using the Word of God as the standard. If you choose not to look at what those who do so present, how can you honestly say that what RW says is the truth or not ?? If "your critique" is all that matters, what about the Word of God. Do you not test all things, prove all things to discern what you should hold on to as Scripture says ??

When you seen him "first hand" in action, so to speak, how do you know he was leading people to the real Jesus and not another jesus, using another gospel received by another spirit as Paul warned about ?? As for "watering down the Bible" you would be suprised - the "version" he uses is, at best, a paraphrase and NOT the Word of God at all. They are two different things. The second link will point that out in great detail.

Bottom line, there are many things out there called "Christianity" and of "Jesus" that are neither. It is only when we "question" teaching do we really begin to see what is truth and what is error. Be a Berean, called nobel in character because they took what was taught to them and proved it by Scripture, to see if it was according to the Word -

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.



Ray :wave:

[Svt4Him]

So he uses the Message. Sorry, but why is that bad again? What if I critique that site, do we just say it's of the devil?

And while we're at it, could you please give a specific issue you have a problem with, but perhaps in another thread.

As for liberal Christianity, I think some people have their minds so open their brains leak out.

[Tangnefedd]

We could say that fundies have their minds so closed that the clear light of day and logic doesn't penetrate, if we are trading insults.:D

[Athanasian Creed]

So he uses the Message. Sorry, but why is that bad again? What if I critique that site, do we just say it's of the devil?

And while we're at it, could you please give a specific issue you have a problem with, but perhaps in another thread.

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If you'd have checked out my links (especially the 2nd one) you would see the error of "the message" as a paraphrase - IMO, it's worse than the Living "Bible".

And i did give a specific issue, again, the "paraphrase" he uses to propogate his message. Check it out side-by-side with any true translation of the Bible and you'll see that the paraphrase twists what the Word really says.

To him who has ears to hear...LET HIM HEAR ! ;)


Ray :wave:

[zoziw]

What do you say to this? (I ask especially those liberal Christians)


I'm not a liberal christian but I think turning to one of the most popular and prolific liberal Christian authors is a good place to look for opinions:

The churches that do attempt to interact with the emerging world are for the most part the liberal protestant mainline churches that shrink every day in membership and the silent liberal catholic minority that attracts very few adherents. Both are, almost by definition, fuzzy, imprecise and relatively unappealing. They might claim to be honest, but for the most part they have no real message. They tinker with words, redefine concepts and retreat slowly behind the rear guard protection of a few pseudoradical thinkers. I have sought to live in this arena. It shrinks daily.

John Shelby Spong, Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism (San Francisco: HarperCollins, 1991), pp 35-36

While most of the evangelical churches in my city have grown over the last 10 years (including the one I attend that went from 750 in 1992 to over 6000 today) the liberal denominations are shrinking quickly and selling buildings they can no longer afford to us.

[Svt4Him]

If you'd have checked out my links (especially the 2nd one) you would see the error of "the message" as a paraphrase - IMO, it's worse than the Living "Bible".

And i did give a specific issue, again, the "paraphrase" he uses to propogate his message. Check it out side-by-side with any true translation of the Bible and you'll see that the paraphrase twists what the Word really says.

To him who has ears to hear...LET HIM HEAR ! ;)


Ray :wave:

True translation is a bit of an oxymoron isn't it?

We could say that fundies have their minds so closed that the clear light of day and logic doesn't penetrate, if we are trading insults.:D

Being logical, can you spot the fallacies in this post? ;)

But I don't recall trading insults, unless your brains have leaked out and it was referring to you.

[Tangnefedd]

God Almighty this is getting so infantile, I wont bother to reply!

[Athanasian Creed]

True translation is a bit of an oxymoron isn't it?

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Yup, just as is saying 'true Christian' However, very necessary - many claim to be Christians but their lifestyle/doctrines proves otherwise. ;)


Ray :wave:

[SteelDisciple]

Does liberalness referring to Christianity make sence.
I ever thought, we should make every effort to enter kingdom of heaven as it is written in Matth 13:24


Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to.


Therefore my opinion is, that liberalness referring to Christianity is to compare with the church of Laodizea written in Rev 3

What do you say to this? (I ask especially those liberal Christians)

A liberal Christian path is a very slippery slope...often resulting in the christian backsliding away from God.

Why?

Because the liberal mindset is centered around the person..it's about THEM..it's about what THEY want...it's all about what THEY feel. The liberal mindset..not just in christianity but in general centers on a "me! me! me!" attitude. A selfish attitude where every thought revolves around them. So how can someone love God when they have a mindset like that? They can't. That's why you see so few liberal christians..they backslide. To focused on their own needs.

[RiverSalado]

If Bush likes it then one would definitely steer well clear!:thumbsup:

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