Demons

[Sephania]

If you have been reborn by the Holy Spirit do you belive it is possible to be possessed with demons?

[baraqemet]

yes . . .


Matt 16:13 ¶ And coming into the parts of Caesarea of Philip, Jesus questioned His disciples, saying, Whom do men say Me the Son of Man to be?
14 And they said, Some say John the Baptist, and others Elijah, and others Jeremiah, or one of the prophets.
15 He said to them, But you, whom do you say Me to be?
16 And answering, Simon Peter said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And answering, Jesus said to him, Blessed are you, Simon, son of Jonah, for flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but My Father in Heaven.
18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My assembly, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against her.
19 And I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of Heaven. And whatever you bind on earth shall occur, having been bound in Heaven. And whatever you may loose on the earth shall be, having been loosed in Heaven.
20 Then He warned His disciples that they should tell no one that He is Jesus the Christ.
21 ¶ From that time, Jesus began to show to His disciples that it was necessary for Him to go away to Jerusalem, and to suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and to be killed, and to be raised on the third day.
22 And having taken Him near, Peter began to rebuke Him, saying, God be gracious to You, Lord; this shall never be to You.
23 But turning He said to Peter, Go behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you do not think of the things of God, but the things of men.

[jgonz]

Yes and no... From what I've read in Scripture and experienced myself, I believe that a person can hang on to demons in spite of being saved, or even invite more to him/herself after being saved by his/her behavior. This is more of an "oppression" by the demon(s). The person is in constant warfare and usually very miserable.

The word "possessed" usually infers Completely given over, however, and that I don't think can happen if you're truely born again (unless the person completely renounces and rejects Yeshua and embraces a completely different lifestyle of sin.)

Obviously, all of this is My Opinion.

[baraqemet]

Peter confessed that Jesus was the Messiah. Jesus said that flesh and blood did not reveal it to him, but that His Father in Heaven did. Jesus gave him the keys to the Kingdom of heaven. Peter was as saved then and you and I. Jesus was the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world. Salvation is a heart matter, yet satan contolled Peter's mouth and thoughts. That is possession.

Rev 13:8 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rev/Rev013.html#8) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

[Bruce101]

The Peter episode is not Peter being possesed by a demon.

It is Peter being slightly influenced by a demon.
Peter thought that he was doing the right thing, which on the surface may have been true.
But Yeshua knew he had a mission and even what may appear to be correct was not, because of the accomplishments of a mission achieved.

I do nor believe that a saved person can be possessed, maybe oppressed, but not possessed.

Bruce

[plum]

Well this makes my mind whirr.... and my flow of thought sounds like this (non-academic response here)

If Messiah is in us (1Jo 4:4 (http://bible.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=1jo+4:4&version=cjb&st=1&sd=1&new=1&showtools=1) - You, children, are from God and have overcome the false prophets, because he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.) then how can a demon come inside us as well? If in fact we are the temple of G-d... then how does a demon come into a temple? Just wondering if there is any Scripture about this... Doesn't seem like "He who is in us" would allow a demon in there with him... silly as that may sound.

Luke 10:17-24 17 The seventy came back jubilant. "Lord," they said, "with your power, even the demons submit to us!" 18 Yeshua said to them, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 Remember, I have given you authority; so you can trample down snakes and scorpions, indeed, all the Enemy's forces; and you will remain completely unharmed. 20 Nevertheless, don't be glad that the spirits submit to you; be glad that your names have been recorded in heaven." 21 At that moment he was filled with joy by the Ruach HaKodesh and said, "Father, Lord of heaven and earth, I thank you because you concealed these things from the sophisticated and educated, yet revealed them to ordinary people. Yes, Father, I thank you that it pleased you to do this. 22 "My Father has handed over everything to me. Indeed, no one fully knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son wishes to reveal him." 23 Then, turning to the talmidim, he said, privately, "How blessed are the eyes that see what you are seeing! 24 Indeed, I tell you that many prophets and kings wanted to see the things you are seeing but did not see them, and to hear the things you are hearing but did not hear them."
This seems to speak against the followers of Messiah being possessed... thoughts?

[visionary]

from experience.... I know when the influence of the Holy Spirit within me can be so strong that I find myself in awe for the experience. There are other times when temptaions get the best of me, or I am deluded by some theology, some thoughts, that while I believe are right they do not have the holy spirit seal of approval on them. Was I possessed at that moment to believe a delusion, ... definitely influenced. Can I be so deluded that I become possessed with a spirit of pride, righteousness, sanctimoneous attitude, and hardened in my position, defending it against the Holy Spirit until it is grieved away? absolutely... that is where a humble, meek spirit comes in. Could a person go so far from the truth spown by the Holy Spirit they are following and then possessed by another spirit? absolutely.... for if we think that is not possible, ... then we have just set ourselves up to be deceived.

[debi b]

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[stone]

If you have been reborn by the Holy Spirit do you belive it is possible to be possessed with demons?

rules o yea

[Vaneeza Malkah]

What about all of the believers who are lead to or taught the wrong things by the "spirit"? I've heard all kinds of crazy "being led to..." stories which are obviously not in line with scriptures (jehovah is an example). I think that anytime you are not following torah, there is room for ha satan's hand to influence you. I also believe a believer can loose (sp?) their salvation and that would leave room for demonic posession.

[visionary]

Hebrews 6:4
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,I believe it is a fearful thing indeed.
If you have been reborn by the Holy Spirit do you belive it is possible to be possessed with demons?

[Sephania]

So if someone were telling you that they feel that there is spiritual warfare being waged against them, you should automatically assume that they are demon possessed and proceed with an 'exorcism'?

[debi b]

Sounds like you may have a specific situation in mind?....

[stone]

So if someone were telling you that they feel that there is spiritual warfare being waged against them, you should automatically assume that they are demon possessed and proceed with an 'exorcism'?

Would spiritual warefare require more defineing?

[Xaor]

Well, as far as I'm concerned, I definitely have had my fair share of demons to deal with, and it seems that they always come to harass me whenever I behave in a manner that is not apropos with that of how a true Messianic or godly person should behave. Demons have been able in times past to manipulate me through my mind and heart which have lead me to real soul destruction if such evil had not been exorcised. Thankfully, HaShem has lead me to the Messianic Rabbi who has helped me to rid me of these demons, first starting with my anger, and then I was left alone to deal with the pride and estrangement that went along with such an irate demeanor which lead to hypertension. My blood pressure has dropped since then (I noticed it as time went on) and so has the darkness associated with the ungodly evils I have had to purge from myself as well. It was all just simply a form of spiritual warfare (and even some psychological mind manipulation) in which I had to rid myself of demonic activity through taking these "satanim" by their throats and casting them into Sheoul where they belonged. I just had to imagine myself doing these sort of things in my mind's eye so that God's light could finally purge the miserable darkness I had been in for so long. Afterwards, it was as if the darkness was never there to begin with. I even have a stronger faith in God now than I ever had before, and the real thing that was missing was the presence of God or at least a godly spirit in my live to rid me of any foolish desire that began in the mind and wound up in the flesh.

[visionary]

I remember the first time the Lord cleansed my temple.... all those confusing voices were gone, it was so quiet....It was at that moment that I knew what "peace that passes all understanding meant. It wasn't long before "they returned" but they were on the outside and have not be allowed back in the temple to sell their wares. Paise the Lord. I look forward to the final cleansing when they will be driven so far away, that I will never have them bother me again. ... I look forward to the perfect Yom Kippur.. fulfill that one soon, Lord.

[plum]

So if someone were telling you that they feel that there is spiritual warfare being waged against them, you should automatically assume that they are demon possessed and proceed with an 'exorcism'?
I disagree with this statement. We are all engaged in spiritual warfare. Why else are we warned about the battle against things not of the flesh? The spiritual realm...

But we should not assume that someone is possessed because they are being tempted, attacked, or opressed by the evil one. but it should not be ignored either.

[stone]

lol, getting tricky to put answers in the form of a question... hehehe


Do Messianics fast?

[Sephania]

Can someone give scriputures to backup that we should cast out demons from ourselves or others?

[Sephania]

I disagree with this statement. We are all engaged in spiritual warfare. Why else are we warned about the battle against things not of the flesh? The spiritual realm...

But we should not assume that someone is possessed because they are being tempted, attacked, or opressed by the evil one. but it should not be ignored either.

It wasn't a statement Miss Ju it was questions. :)

[Sephania]

What does it mean when you are trying to tell someone how the L-RD has given you insight to something and you back that up with scipture and the person you are talking to immediately cuts you off? Or you are talking to them and sharing something G-d has been doing with you and then you notice that they aren't paying attention, so you ask if they understand what you are saying and they tell you they 'blanked out' and you start to tell them that is a spirit that is trying to keep them from hearing but before you can get past the word 'spirit', they cut you off?

[debi b]

Well to be honest and this is just me, I pick my battles :)

There is so much I don't share - but to someone who does want to listen, does want to know, is interested I would walk thru fire!

[Sephania]

Well to be honest and this is just me, I pick my battles :)

There is so much I don't share - but to someone who does want to listen, does want to know, is interested I would walk thru fire!

:confused: I'm not sure how that helps me? It really wasn't about not liestening but under what circumstances. I am speaking of "believers" here not just someone on the street.

[stone]

I guess you could just stop speaking till you make eye contact again, then try and keep eye contact with your ummm... whoever your speaking to.

[debi b]

:confused: I am speaking of "believers" here not just someone on the street.

So was I ;)

[jgonz]

Zayit, you could try binding any foul spirits in/on/around the person you're trying to talk to first...

[visionary]

Prayer is the first thing and make it continuous even while you are speaking that the words that come out are through the Holy Spirit and not your own.

[Sephania]

Zayit, you could try binding any foul spirits in/on/around the person you're trying to talk to first...

Where is Biblical authority to do this and how?

[jgonz]

Well... I'm thinking specifically of when Yeshua told the demons in whomever to "be quiet" and then "come out of him/her". There are several instances recorded in the Gospels...

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Zayit, you could try binding any foul spirits in/on/around the person you're trying to talk to first...

It is simple, really.
remember corrie ten boom? her family very much loved and demonstrated their love for jews and germans. she went through the holocaust and survived radiant in Yahshua, an overcomer. still, in her books, after the war, there was a time when everyone in the bldg was seemingly tired and falling asleep while she was proclaiming the Good News of Salvation in Yahshua; she was very tired herself, for no apparent reason. Full of prayer and trust, a faithful martyr in the Messiah called corrie ten boom and told her the cause of her tiredness and the congregations sleepiness was demons. She knew it was true, and first thing she did from the podium was loudly and boldly tell those demons to leave at once, right in front of all the protestant members present(who had never heard anything about demons, in truth). AT ONCE, the demons fled, and corrie ten boom and all the audience were at once wide awake and alert and free from the demons power (for the time being).

[MattyJames]

May be the scripture needs be fulfilled... "They have ears but they cannot hear, eyes but they cannot see, lest they should be converted and I should heal them."

I come across this all the time.

Matt James

[endtimesnear]

If you have been reborn by the Holy Spirit do you belive it is possible to be possessed with demons?

I dont believe a person sold out to God can be posessed by a demon. Thats just my opinion.
Peter blurted out without listening to that STILL SMALL VOICE of God. Basicly Jesus just rebuked what Peter said.
I am here to tell you that God can shut your mouth from saying something. This has happened to me before.
Lots of christians say if feel led to tell you this. I usually ask God for a confirmation before i blurt anything out of my mouth. I have learned this is much better than saying something that YOU feel to say and it is not of God. When God speaks throught His children, He will back it up with the WORD.
Have anyone of you seen a christian totally possessed by a demon? I am talking real posession here.
My friends husband is totally possessed. She has seen his face become distorted so evil looking. Her husband used to serve God but walked away from Him and bad things came back 7 times worse. Drigs and alcohol.
Hugs,
Carol

[Sephania]

Thanks for sharing that story, I never heard that one. I am very familair with the spirit of sleep, I have come against it many a time while speaking to someone the word of the L-RD. And the confermation was when Yeshua was in the garden before the tree and praying and asking for his closest talmidim to pray with him, they fell asleep and I dont' think it was from the seder wine, nor eating too much, but HaSatan closing their eyes so they could not call upon the Father to strengthen Yeshua for what lay ahead.

It is such a deceptive spirit, that one of sleep, who would suspect? It seems so natural, yet that is the best way to disquise oneself, isn't it?



Again thank you for sharing that story, but as one of the mods in here I must remind you that only torah bearing members of this forum may answer questions or teach in here, so please keep any further posts in the fellowship gendre or questions only.

Thanks!

[Febe]

If you have been reborn by the Holy Spirit do you belive it is possible to be possessed with demons?

I hope this will be allright to write:

In my oppinion:
If someone has chosen to leave G-d -> certinly!
If someone live with G-d -> that is different:
Attacked -> Yes!
Possessed -> No!

What is Your answer?

[visionary]

It is simple, really.
remember corrie ten boom? her family very much loved and demonstrated their love for jews and germans. she went through the holocaust and survived radiant in Yahshua, an overcomer. still, in her books, after the war, there was a time when everyone in the bldg was seemingly tired and falling asleep while she was proclaiming the Good News of Salvation in Yahshua; she was very tired herself, for no apparent reason. Full of prayer and trust, a faithful martyr in the Messiah called corrie ten boom and told her the cause of her tiredness and the congregations sleepiness was demons. She knew it was true, and first thing she did from the podium was loudly and boldly tell those demons to leave at once, right in front of all the protestant members present(who had never heard anything about demons, in truth). AT ONCE, the demons fled, and corrie ten boom and all the audience were at once wide awake and alert and free from the demons power (for the time being).We need more people who have this kind of faith and who are willing to step out and fight the spiritual battles, not doubting whether they are given the power to do so. Mightly battles are won in His name in we but would step forward. Spiritual battles in our own selves must be won first, and I believe that is why we are so ineffectual, so weak spiritually, so lukewarm in our faith.. It is time to step up to the plate and be still and know God is Lord of All.