Do you believe in Birth Control?

[benedictine]

Do you think it is a sin to use birth Control?

[Aymn27]

Do you think it is a sin to use birth Control?
I believe in it...but I my wife and I don't practice it...I think it is sinful if it is abortificant and/or if it is used for "selfish" purposes. But if a couple has several children and are not using ABC so that they can not have kids so they can buy a yacht, etc - then no, tis no different from NFP.

[Fish and Bread]

I have no moral objections to birth control. The Christian tradition is full of examples of sex being experienced for non-procreative purposes. If God meant for sex to be only used for procreation, he would have set things up so couples would have children everytime they made love. One need only look at Songs of Soloman to realize that procreation is not the only valid reason to make love in the eyes of God. It is a physical sign of the spiritual bond and loving relationship two people share and can be a way of drawing closer to each other and becoming one flesh. Generally, I consider efforts to ban birth control to be a throwback to an old system of theology that considers sex intrinsically sinful, which to me is not what God has revealed to us in scripture and in the experience of the human race in their relationship with Him.

John

[Lel]

It depends on the framework in which one views birth control. If one views sex as primarily for procreative purposes, then birth control can easily be a sin. If sex is unitative, then under most circumstances, birth control isn't a sin, and can actually aid in unifying the partners.

If sex is being engaged in without thought to either unitative or procreative purposes and is being done rather casually and/or carelessly, then using birth control to aid such an act is contributing to sin.

[higgs2]

Do you think it is a sin to use birth Control?
Yes, No.

In fact, I think there are probably some circumstances that exist in which it is a sin *not* to use birth control.

[AveMaria]

No moral objections whatsoever to birth control, here.

[holyshe]

depends what form of birth control you use as abstaining is birth control but that cant be a sin surely?

[SeenAndUnseen]

In fact, I think there are probably some circumstances that exist in which it is a sin *not* to use birth control.

I agree.

[benedictine]

Clarification: For the purposes of this thread, Birth Control is defined as artificial birth Control, not including: Abstaining, NFP, and any other natural means of controlling when a pregnancy occurs. Artificial Birth Control includes: The Morning After Pill, Abortion, "The pill", condoms, etc.

[holyshe]

Clarification: For the purposes of this thread, Birth Control is defined as artificial birth Control, not including: Abstaining, NFP, and any other natural means of controlling when a pregnancy occurs. Artificial Birth Control includes: The Morning After Pill, Abortion, "The pill", condoms, etc.
i knew that just being funny lmao

anyway how come you only have 1 blessing? what is that all about?


xxx

[SirTimothy]

Benedictine, my position is anything thats barrier has no ethical or theological problems. It's simply an artificial form of NFP. The morning after pill, abortion, the 'pill', IUDs, anything of that ilk... I do not think are allowed, for all can produce a form of abortion.

Timothy

[higgs2]

Clarification: For the purposes of this thread, Birth Control is defined as artificial birth Control, not including: Abstaining, NFP, and any other natural means of controlling when a pregnancy occurs. Artificial Birth Control includes: The Morning After Pill, Abortion, "The pill", condoms, etc.
I think it's a little bizarre to include abortion in "artificial birth control".

[Aymn27]

I think it's a little bizarre to include abortion in "artificial birth control".
I don't..they all remove the fetus from the womb - either chemically or manually..(except barrier methods and pills that prevent fertilization)

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

Pills do not remove foetuses from the womb, unless someone's invented one that works some six to eight weeks into pregnancy, depending on whose definition you use.

I question, strongly, this "life begins at conception" stuff. It doesn't; both egg and sperm are just as much alive as a fertilised zygote. At least half of fertilised zygotes don't implant, so God seems unconcerned about wastage at this stage. The "unique genome" argument raises the question of whether it's therefore OK to prevent the development of one identical twin - or what of the ethical status of a zygote formed by cloning, should that happen?

Consequently, whatever my feelings about abortion, I don't think this really comes into it. Ovulation, coitus, fertilisation, implantation - all are milestones on the road from ovary to delivery room, and it's hard to see why fertilisation is abitrarily chosen over the others as an ethical "point of no return" - biologically, it's implantation which is the hurdle which once past, pregnancy is likely to go to term.

[pmcleanj]

This is an official moderator post.

Please note that this is a discussion of artificial Birth Control, not of abortion. Despite the definitions used by the original poster, discussion of abortion is not to be included in this discussion. Abortion is an "offensive topic" as defined under CF rule 4.2. Discussion of the defined topics is limited to the the Philosophy & Morality, Liberal Theology or Christian Philosophy forums; if you wish to discuss one of the restricted topics from a distinctly Anglican or Old Catholic perspective, you may do so in the Denomination-specific Issues subforum of Philosophy & Morality. Any further posts discussing abortion will be subject to deletion due to violation of rule 4.2e.

Regards
Pamela Mclean

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

Point of clarification - is discussing things like contraception methods that prevent implantation counted as discussing abortion?

[pmcleanj]

Point of clarification - is discussing things like contraception methods that prevent implantation counted as discussing abortion?
This is an official moderator post.

There are different definitions of "abortion": legal, moral, medical, theological and political. Prevention of implantation is "abortion" by some of these definitions, and not by others. Since discussion of implantation-prevention methods will inevitably lead to debating these definitions, and since debating the definition of "abortion" is clearly part of the "abortion" discussion rather than the "birth control" discussion, I would ask you to restrict that debate to the Philosophy&Morality subforum, or one of the other allowed debate forums.

Regards,
Pamela Mclean

[benedictine]

i knew that just being funny lmao

anyway how come you only have 1 blessing? what is that all about?


xxx



I put them into the bank.

[holyshe]

oh ok i was worried thought you had been mugged and they stole them all
xxxx

[romaneagle13]

Karl, I am pleased to see that I am not the only one that believes in "life begins at implantation".

As for my thoughts on birth control, I am personally all for it. We were created as intelligent creatures with the know-how to control the number of offspring we have and when. I beleive that is all part of the plan. Some people should not have children for medical or pyschological reasons, but should they be forced to live a celibate life--with no opportunity to have full expression of human love with their mate? Or to put off having sex because they are not yet secure enough in their marriage, financially and/or emotionally prepared for children? I don't think so.

[AveMaria]

Karl, I am pleased to see that I am not the only one that believes in "life begins at implantation".

As for my thoughts on birth control, I am personally all for it. We were created as intelligent creatures with the know-how to control the number of offspring we have and when. I beleive that is all part of the plan. Some people should not have children for medical or pyschological reasons, but should they be forced to live a celibate life--with no opportunity to have full expression of human love with their mate? Or to put off having sex because they are not yet secure enough in their marriage, financially and/or emotionally prepared for children? I don't think so.

I tend to vote for implantation as well, so you're not alone in this view.

[trooper]

I am opposed.

[PaladinValer]

For some forms, I have no problem

For those that are "abortative," I do have a problem.

[higgs2]

mmmmmmph!!!!!