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pravoslavno
5th September 2005, 01:58 PM
Revista "Living Orthodoxy"; #146, Vol. XXV.

"The defenders of Sergianism say that the canons allow one to separete from a bishop only for a heresy which has been condemned by a council. Against this one may reply that the deeds of Metropolitan Sergius may be sufficiently placed in this category as well, if one has in view such a open violation by him of the freedom and dignity of the Church, One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic". - St. Joseph, Metropolitan of Petrograd, Letter to an Archimandrite of Petrograd, 1928

"If you are helpless to defende the Church, step aside; clear the space for someone stronger than you." - St. Peter Metropolitan de Krutotsk (1936) (Locum Tennes of the Patriarchate), Letter to Metropolitan Sergei, 1930

"You are nothing other than a continuation of the so-called 'Renovationist' (Living Church) movement, only in a more refined and very dangerous form... All this imperatively compels us to boldly raise our voice and cease our now already criminal silence over your mistakes and incorretct actions and, with the blessing of Dimitry, Bishop of Gdov, to disassociate ourselves from you and those who surround you. Leaving you, we do not depart from the lawful Locum Tenes, Metropolitan Peter, and we shall give ourselves over the judgment of a future council." Letter of the Clergy and Laity of Serpukhov to Metropolitan Sergei, 1927 (Possibky written by St. Maxim, Bishop of Serpukhov d. 1931).

"As for me, acknowledging my responsibility before God for the flock entrusted to me, I have declared on January 10/23 of this year to Bishop Sophronius, who has been assgned to the See ofg Great Ustiug by [Sergius] Synod that my flock and the clergy of Nikolsk - excepet for the cathedral clergy, who have been rejected by the people - cannot acept him because we have separeted from Sergius and his Synod. And on the other hand I have informed Metropolitan Joseph that I canonically join to him the clergy and laity of the Diocese of Great Ustiug, in accordance with the blessing of Vladika Irinarch, whose lawful Substitute I am at the present time for the whole Diocese of Great Ustiug. (...) I propose that my epistle be read and considered at assemblies of the faithful, so that all might know the way the matter stands and freely enter into unity with me, remaing faithful to the Locum Tenes of the Patriarchal See, Metropolitan Peter, and to entire Orthodox Russian Church; concernig which I request you to send me a writtten statement. Only the clergy of the Cathedral of the Lord's meeting in Nikolsk... are in a state of excommunication form me until they shall show sincere repentance in the form established for Renovationists, or until a complete council of bishops shall judge the case of Metropolitan Sergius and those who are with him (10th Canon of the Holy Apostles). I Place before you these hirelings, who see the wolf approach and flee; do not follow them, my brethren and children..." - St. Hierotheus, Bishop of Nikolsk (d. 1928) Letter to the clergy and laity of the Diocese of Great Ustiug, 1928

Khaleas
5th September 2005, 02:20 PM
I'm getting a sense of some MP vs ROCOR :sick: going on...

Michael the Iconographer
5th September 2005, 02:32 PM
I'm getting a sense of some MP vs ROCOR :sick: going on...

Quite ironic, because from what I was told by a ROCOR priest who I trust, ROCOR is soon to come under the protection of the Moscow Patriarchate.

pravoslavno
5th September 2005, 02:50 PM
Quite ironic, because from what I was told by a ROCOR priest who I trust, ROCOR is soon to come under the protection of the Moscow Patriarchate.

:bow: Lord Have Mercy!

Unhappyly. This is a treason to the principles of ROCOR. It is not a protection. Because, who is part of the WCC cannot protect nobody. Putim will go protect the Church?

Michael the Iconographer
5th September 2005, 02:56 PM
:bow: Lord Have Mercy!

Unhappyly. This is a treason to the principles of ROCOR. It is not a protection. Because, who is part of the WCC cannot protect nobody. Putim will go protect the Church?

I dare suggest you are guilty of idaltry. Treason to the principles of ROCOR? What happened to being Orthodox and following Christ? A religion can be made of anything, including blindly adhering to hard core traditions which have absolutely nothing to do at all with being Orthodox. No offense meant to my ROCOR friends, but this type of anti-Orthodox propoganda is completely offensive to us Orthodox Christians.

Michael the Iconographer
5th September 2005, 03:00 PM
:bow: Lord Have Mercy!

Unhappyly. This is a treason to the principles of ROCOR. It is not a protection. Because, who is part of the WCC cannot protect nobody. Putim will go protect the Church?

I guess if you are unhappy with your bishops and priests decision you are always welcome to schism from ROCOR (which is canonical Orthodox), but then that would make you uncanonical. Let me remind you only canonical Orthodox are free to debate on this forum.

Marjorie
5th September 2005, 03:05 PM
Sigh...

In IC XC,
Marjorie

pravoslavno
5th September 2005, 06:33 PM
I dare suggest you are guilty of idaltry. Treason to the principles of ROCOR? What happened to being Orthodox and following Christ? A religion can be made of anything, including blindly adhering to hard core traditions which have absolutely nothing to do at all with being Orthodox. No offense meant to my ROCOR friends, but this type of anti-Orthodox propoganda is completely offensive to us Orthodox Christians.

The sergianism are a heresy, a treason against the Church. The canonical Russian Orthodox Churches, the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad and the Catacomb Church had condemned the sergianism as heresy. The Patriarch Alexy are a partisan of sergianism. This is not a treason?

pravoslavno
5th September 2005, 06:37 PM
I guess if you are unhappy with your bishops and priests decision you are always welcome to schism from ROCOR (which is canonical Orthodox), but then that would make you uncanonical. Let me remind you only canonical Orthodox are free to debate on this forum.

Members of WCC are canonical orthodox? The Antiochian See, in comunion with heretical monophysites are canonical orthodox?

Michael the Iconographer
5th September 2005, 06:39 PM
The sergianism are a heresy, a treason against the Church. The canonical Russian Orthodox Churches, the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad and the Catacomb Church had condemned the sergianism as heresy. The Patriarch Alexy are a partisan of sergianism. This is not a treason?

If Moscow is in heresy, then all who are in communion with Moscow are in heresy. Seeing that all of the other patriarchates are in communion with Moscow that would mean that all of Orthodoxy is in heresy and only your small sect is Orthodox. That seems a bit arrogant, elitist and and dare I say prideful, to me. Let me remind you that pride is one of the greatest of the seven deadly sins. ROCOR is soon to come under the protection of the MP whether you like it or not. If you disagree with the ROCOR Bishops you are a separatist. If you are part of this separatist movement then you are not canonical Orthodox.

Michael the Iconographer
5th September 2005, 06:41 PM
Members of WCC are canonical orthodox? The Antiochian See, in comunion with heretical monophysites are canonical orthodox?

Wow, you impress me. You are more infallible than the Pope! :bow:

Eusebios
5th September 2005, 10:38 PM
This thread has run it's course.

Eusebios
5th September 2005, 10:39 PM
disruptive to forum harmony.