Stinker
4th September 2005, 09:32 PM
Transgendered as defined as- those whose pschology-emotional, and behavior is that of the opposite sex. For example- a man with a woman's pschology-emotions, and behavior. Sometimes accompanied with sex organs of both male and female, and or, other physical characteristics of those of the opposite sex.
Resolved:
Transgendered couples can meet the qualification of monogamous marriage by one being classified as male, and the other being classified as female, by a Board Certified Psychologist or Psychiatrist.
Affirm- Stinker
Deny-
This is an invite for any one person willing to deny this proposition against me in the Formal Debate section.
DeaconDean
12th October 2005, 03:47 AM
1Co 6:9 (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=1co+6:9&version=kjv&st=1&sd=1&new=1&showtools=1) - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary defines "effeminate" as:
Main Entry: 1ef·fem·i·nate
Pronunciation: -n&t
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin effeminatus, from past participle of effeminare to make effeminate, from ex- + femina woman -- more at FEMININE (http://www2.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/mwdictsn?book=Dictionary&va=feminine)
Date: 15th century
1 : having feminine qualities untypical of a man : not manly in appearance or manner
2 : marked by an unbecoming delicacy or overrefinement <effeminate art> <an effeminate civilization>
John Gill's Exposition of the Bible
1 Corinthians 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the
kingdom of God?
&c.] A way of speaking much like that in the Talmud, (Myqydul ala ywve wnya abh Mlwehv edwy ywh) "know thou, that the world to come is not made but for the righteous?" F8 (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/GillsExpositionoftheBible/gil.cgi?book=1co&chapter=006&verse=009&next=010&prev=008#h) Without a righteousness there will be no entrance into the world of bliss and happiness hereafter; and this must be a better righteousness than what a sinful creature is capable of working out, and no other than the righteousness of Christ. It was a loss and want of righteousness that cast the angels down from heaven, and turned Adam out of paradise; and whoever of his posterity: are destitute of one, will fall short of enjoying the glory of God; for it is not agreeable to the holy nature of God, to his infinite justice and righteous law, to admit any into heaven without a righteousness: hence a judgment seat is erected, before which all must stand; and those that will be found without a righteousness, will be for ever excluded the kingdom of heaven; and could any unrighteous persons be received there, it would spoil the pleasure and happiness of the saints. Now this is said, partly to dissuade the Corinthians from going to law with each other before unrighteous persons, who have no right to the kingdom of God, and living and dying as they are, will have no share in it; and therefore since they are not to be fellow heirs and companions with them in another world, they should not bring their causes before them in this; and partly to reprove them for their injurious and unrighteous actions among themselves, their tricking and defrauding of one another, with other sins they were guilty of; which, if not repented of, would show, that notwithstanding their profession, they were destitute of the grace of God, were unfit to be in the kingdom of God, in a Gospel church state here below, and would be shut out of the kingdom of heaven hereafter.
Be not deceived
imagining, that through your knowledge and profession you shall be saved, live as you will:
neither fornicators,
such as are guilty of uncleanness with persons in a single state:
nor idolaters;
who worship more gods than one, and not the true God; who do service to them that are not gods, and perform what the Jews call (hrz hdwbe) "strange service": and not only fall down to stocks and stones, but serve divers lusts and pleasures, the idols of their own hearts:
nor adulterers:
such as have criminal conversation with persons in a married state:
nor effeminate;
or "soft", or, as the Syriac renders it, (albxm) , "corrupters"; that is, of themselves, by voluntary pollution, such as are guilty of the sin of Onan, (Genesis 38:8,9 (http://bible.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?passage=ge+38:8,9)) . Nor abusers of themselves with mankind;
sodomites.
Matthew Henry Complete Commentary
on the Whole Bible
Chapter 6 Verses 9-11 (http://bible.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=1co+6:9-11) Here he takes occasion to warn them against many heinous evils, to which they had been formerly addicted. I. He puts it to them as a plain truth, of which they could not be ignorant, that such sinners should not inherit the kingdom of God. The meanest among them must know thus much, that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God (v. 9), shall not be owned as true members of his church on earth, nor admitted as glorious members of the church in heaven. All unrighteousness is sin; and all reigning sin, nay, every actual sin committed deliberately, and not repented of, shuts out of the kingdom of heaven. He specifies several sorts of sins: against the first and second commandments, as idolaters; against the seventh, as adulterers, fornicators, effeminate, and Sodomites; against the eighth, as thieves and extortioners, that by force or fraud wrong their neighbours; against the ninth, as revilers; and against the tenth, as covetous and drunkards, as those who are in a fair way to break all the rest. Those who knew any thing of religion must know that heaven could never be intended for these. The scum of the earth are no ways fit to fill the heavenly mansions. Those who do the devil’s work can never receive God’s wages, at least no other than death, the just wages of sin, Rom. 6:23. II. Yet he warns them against deceiving themselves: Be not deceived. Those who cannot but know the fore-mentioned truth are but too apt not to attend to it. Men are very much inclined to flatter themselves that God is such a one as themselves, and that they may live in sin and yet die in Christ, may lead the life of the devil’s children and yet go to heaven with the children of God. But this is all a gross cheat. Note, It is very much the concern of mankind that they do not cheat themselves in the matters of their souls. We cannot hope to sow to the flesh and yet reap everlasting life.
The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon Strong's Number: 3120 Browse Lexicon (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/browse.cgi?number=3120&version=kjv) Original WordWord Originmalakovßof uncertain affinityTransliterated WordTDNT (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3120&version=kjv#Legend) EntryMalakosNonePhonetic SpellingParts of Speechmal-ak-os' http://bible.crosswalk.com/images/audio.gif (http://bible.crosswalk.com/cgi-bin/lexicon.pl?id=3120g) Adjective Definition
soft, soft to the touch
metaph. in a bad sense
effeminate
of a catamite
of a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man
of a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness
of a male prostitute
King James Word Usage - Total: 4soft 3, effeminate 1
I just believe it to be wrong. Granted some may have been born with both sex organs, but usually the doctor in the delivery room will decide whether to let the baby be boy or girl, If, and I do mean if, they were left with both sex organs, and they have female tendancies, them have the male organ removed and live as a female. But be one or the other, not both. "...I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. " Rev. 3:15
aggie03
4th May 2006, 10:52 PM
Did this debate ever happen?
march56
19th June 2006, 07:54 PM
Transgendered couples can meet the qualification of monogamous marriage by one being classified as male, and the other being classified as female, by a Board Certified Psychologist or Psychiatrist.
Where are your scripture references?
-M.C.
aggie03
8th July 2006, 01:49 AM
Transgendered as defined as- those whose pschology-emotional, and behavior is that of the opposite sex. For example- a man with a woman's pschology-emotions, and behavior. Sometimes accompanied with sex organs of both male and female, and or, other physical characteristics of those of the opposite sex.
Resolved:
Transgendered couples can meet the qualification of monogamous marriage by one being classified as male, and the other being classified as female, by a Board Certified Psychologist or Psychiatrist.
Affirm- Stinker
Deny-
This is an invite for any one person willing to deny this proposition against me in the Formal Debate section.
I already asked once, but it bears asking again: did this debate ever take place? If not, are you still willing to participate in it?