God's View of Women in the church?

[KTskater]

Okay, I'm really stuggling with this.

What is God's view of women in the church, from what I gather he wants them to be as uninvoled as possible.
Paul says it's disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church, why is that? Aren't women just as capable of an intelligent response as a man?

Does this include singing?

This also leads to woman not being allowed to teach in the church, and I can sortta understand this one. Since back then women needed to focus on the households and teaching would take a lot of time out of that. But that doesn't seem to be why Paul tells them not to. He seems to being saying that a woman should have no place of authority anywhere, espeacially the church.

This is really hard for me because everytime I ask or answer a question in my youth group I'm paranoid that I'm sinning.

I am awhere of the famous female peachers of Paul's day, and that he praised them for their work. But why then does he say this?

I'm fine with the husband being the head of the household thing, but it had to explain to me a few times before I understood it. But this just seems to rip all my hopes of serving God right out from under my feet.

I dunno, can someone shed some light on this? Maybe it's just the fact that I'm 13, confused and have a Biology test Friday.

[twistedsketch]

Okay, I'm really stuggling with this.

What is God's view of women in the church, from what I gather he wants them to be as uninvoled as possible.
Paul says it's disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church, why is that? Aren't women just as capable of an intelligent response as a man?

Paul says this because the women of the day were uneducated, and stood seperate from the men during the services. They would have questions and they'd ask their husbands - across the sanctuary, and this involved yelling. This was unacceptable. The context here is orderly worship.


Does this include singing?
No.


This also leads to woman not being allowed to teach in the church, and I can sortta understand this one. Since back then women needed to focus on the households and teaching would take a lot of time out of that. But that doesn't seem to be why Paul tells them not to. He seems to being saying that a woman should have no place of authority anywhere, espeacially the church.
Paul only addressed marraige and the church when he spoke of gender roles. In a marraige, the man is the first among equals. In terms of authority, NOT VALUE the men seem to come first.

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." - Galatians 3:28

According to this verse no gender or race has any more standing with God than another. There is no penalty for being a woman, you can be just as close to God as a man can be. The roles, however are seperate.


This is really hard for me because everytime I ask or answer a question in my youth group I'm paranoid that I'm sinning.
I doubt that you're sinning, as long as it's done in an orderly manner, ie during a Q&A session.


I am awhere of the famous female peachers of Paul's day, and that he praised them for their work. But why then does he say this?
Because women are valuble to God and definitely have a place when it comes to serving Him.

"Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God." - Titus 2:3-5

God is all about women discipling other women. Also, Paul forbids women having authority over MEN. That means children's ministries are a wide open door, as boys are not men. Furthermore, there are no limitations on service to the poor and hurting. Just because you don't have the highest authority doesn't mean you can't be incredibly useful like Priscilla, whom Paul praises.

[ped]

You might be a Christian if…

22) You think you defend your worldview successfully, but your two main arguments are based on circular reasoning (The Bible is true because the Bible says…) and ad hominem attacks (Everyone already knows God is real, and those who deny it are lying to themselves).

21) You always try to observe the ten commandments like Exodus 20:7, but you never try to observe the punishments like Leviticus 24:16.

20) You trust a book written by sheepherders in a time when humans thought the world was flat and that women determined the gender of offspring, but you don’t trust a book written in modern times by a scientist.

19) You believe that fear of God and love of God are compatible and even complimentary.

18) You believe that a material universe created ex nihilo by an eternal, immaterial God makes more sense than an eternal, material universe itself.

17) You believe that a being that creates flawed, imperfect, and evil entities can be all loving and all wise.

16) You think that a story involving a God who sacrifices himself to himself in order to circumvent a law he created himself that would have forced him to send his own flawed creations to a Hell he created himself makes perfect sense.

15) You think two wrongs make a right in that everyone is born guilty, and that spilling innocent blood provides redemption for this inherent guilt.

14) You deny the first law of thermodynamics, and champion the second law of thermodynamics.

13) You claim that faith (belief in things unevidenced) is required for salvation, but you attempt to prove Christianity with material evidence every chance you get.

12) You insist that God is responsible for everything in the universe, and then insist that original sin is Adam’s fault and that Satan was responsible for his own rebellion.

11) You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

10) You feel that the theory that people evolved from other life forms trivializes and cheapens humanity, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt and ribs.

9) You claim that God’s love is all encompassing and unconditional, and the only condition is that you admit worthlessness and submit fully to his will.

8) Your cringe when you hear of the “atrocities” attributed to Allah, but you don’t even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in “Exodus” and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in “Joshua” — including women, children, and trees!

7) You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

6) You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (4.55 billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a couple of generations old.

5) You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs — though excluding those in all rival sects — will spend eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most “tolerant” and “loving.”

4) While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in “tongues” may be all the evidence you need to “prove” Christianity.

3) You state that prayers are always answered even if the exact opposite of what you pray for happens.

2) Despite the fact that prisons and mental institutions have a higher percentage of Christians than the general population, and college educated people have a higher percentage of atheism than the general population, you claim that Christianity will improve ones moral code and quality of life; you claim that Christians are better people. Then when presented with this contrary evidence, you claim that the devil is to blame for this “deception”.

1) Your grandest wish is for God/Jesus to come down from heaven and initiate an apocalypse, yet again committing near total genocide on all of humanity.

[Tenorvoice]

Paul says this because the women of the day were uneducated, and stood seperate from the men during the services. They would have questions and they'd ask their husbands - across the sanctuary, and this involved yelling. This was unacceptable. The context here is orderly worship.


No.


Paul only addressed marraige and the church when he spoke of gender roles. In a marraige, the man is the first among equals. In terms of authority, NOT VALUE the men seem to come first.

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." - Galatians 3:28

According to this verse no gender or race has any more standing with God than another. There is no penalty for being a woman, you can be just as close to God as a man can be. The roles, however are seperate.


I doubt that you're sinning, as long as it's done in an orderly manner, ie during a Q&A session.


Because women are valuble to God and definitely have a place when it comes to serving Him.

"Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God." - Titus 2:3-5

God is all about women discipling other women. Also, Paul forbids women having authority over MEN. That means children's ministries are a wide open door, as boys are not men. Furthermore, there are no limitations on service to the poor and hurting. Just because you don't have the highest authority doesn't mean you can't be incredibly useful like Priscilla, whom Paul praises.

I could not have posted this any better myself.

Great job!

[Tenorvoice]

just to add this.

Most of the most powerful people you could have praying for you (IMO) are the little elderly ladies from the Body of Christ. There is something about them that God has just blessed them with that gift.

[Simonline]

Okay, I'm really stuggling with this.

What is God's view of women in the church, from what I gather he wants them to be as uninvoled as possible.
Paul says it's disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church, why is that? Aren't women just as capable of an intelligent response as a man?

Does this include singing?

This also leads to woman not being allowed to teach in the church, and I can sortta understand this one. Since back then women needed to focus on the households and teaching would take a lot of time out of that. But that doesn't seem to be why Paul tells them not to. He seems to being saying that a woman should have no place of authority anywhere, espeacially the church.

This is really hard for me because everytime I ask or answer a question in my youth group I'm paranoid that I'm sinning.

I am awhere of the famous female peachers of Paul's day, and that he praised them for their work. But why then does he say this?

I'm fine with the husband being the head of the household thing, but it had to explain to me a few times before I understood it. But this just seems to rip all my hopes of serving God right out from under my feet.

I dunno, can someone shed some light on this? Maybe it's just the fact that I'm 13, confused and have a Biology test Friday.

The role of women in the Church has absolutely nothing to do with competence or education. It is based solely on theological issues. Furthermore, women are not supposed to be 'silent witnesses' in Church either. They are supposed to be active participants but within their designated roles (which does not mean that they are limited to running the creche/Sunday school and serving refreshments after the sevice).

For a Biblical understanding of the relationship between Men and Women within the Redeemed Community see: Leadership Is Male by David Pawson available either online from www.anchor-recordings.com (http://www.anchor-recordings.com/) (UK) or www.Goodseed.org (http://www.goodseed.org/) (USA) or from your local Christian bookstore or public lending library.

Simonline.

[Mr.Cheese]

Read Galatians 3:28.

If you read about women in the bible you will see that they occupy critical roles.

I think restricting someone's involvement in church due to their sex is a human invention.

[PorcelainHeart]

I think women have the same rights as man, but then again it depends on what your religion is. Some religions believe the only right a woman has is to be a slaved to the husband. Women and men to me are as one. They have the same rights. Men can't live without women and women can't live without men. Sorry I can't throw you any bible verses, for I haven't read it in a few days and forgot everything.

[Aningat]

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[bliz]

KTSkater -

You will find that Christians often disagree on exactly what a woman's role in the church should be. Some will argue that a woman has limited roles and other will argue that they do not, and both sides will use scripture. At times these dabates can be very lively!

The most important thing to remember is that this is a secondary issue of Christian faith. We are not discussing the way of salvation, who God is and how we can interact with God or the place of the Bible. This is a subject about which Christians can disagree.

There are lots of sources where you can read more on this issue, but you could start with your own church. Ask your pastor or youth leader to discuss it with you. Just bear in mind that no matter what they say, there are other Bible believing Christians who will disagree. To be sure, the people at your church will think that their view is correct, people do not choose to believe something they think is wrong!

As a young woman, keep a few things in mind:

You are made in the image of God.

Jesus died for you, and if you, a young woman, were the only person on earth, He would have died for just you, you are that valuable to God.

[Simonline]

Read Galatians 3:28.

If you read about women in the bible you will see that they occupy critical roles.

I think restricting someone's involvement in church due to their sex is a human invention.

I wouldn't go that far since there are restrictions upon females due to the created order. See: Leadership Is Male by David Pawson available either online from www.anchor-recordings.com (http://www.anchor-recordings.com/) (UK) or www.Goodseed.org (http://www.goodseed.org/) (USA) or from your local Christian bookstore or public lending library.

Simonline

[PorcelainHeart]

If GOD ended up being a female, the whole world would go crazy.

[twistedsketch]

If GOD ended up being a female, the whole world would go crazy.
Especially since that would make Him a liar, as He refers to Himself as the Heavenly Father.

[PorcelainHeart]

No, it would call the people who wrote about GOD a lier, we really don't know the truth of anything. i know he is real now, I just don't know who he is.

[Linnis]

God is not male or female. People started calling God him, because Jesus called him the Father of man and it's rude to call God it.

[PorcelainHeart]

Yah, GOD is GOD and Jesus was GOD'S son.

[Tenorvoice]

MOD HAT ON!!!


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Alright everyone, this thread is really starting to get off track. Lets get back to the OP question about God's veiw of women in the Church.

If it gets off on a rabbitt trail again I will have to close it down.

MOD HAT OFF.

[subnet_rx]

Hmm, who was the first to spread the news that Jesus had risen?

[californiadreamin]

I advise not to look up advice in books, because again that is someone's opinion. If you are seeking wisdom ask God who will give to all liberally. At that time that was cultural, the same as women having long hair. If women are appointed by God and lead by the Holy Spirit to perform whatever duties God has appointed in the church, then do all things unto God. If you know that God has appointed you to a calling, and you feel the Holy Spirit rising within and anointing you to do whatever task. That is your yes in God, your confirmation that God has called you to that office.

[KTskater]

I advise not to look up advice in books, because again that is someone's opinion. If you are seeking wisdom ask God who will give to all liberally. At that time that was cultural, the same as women having long hair. If women are appointed by God and lead by the Holy Spirit to perform whatever duties God has appointed in the church, then do all things unto God. If you know that God has appointed you to a calling, and you feel the Holy Spirit rising within and anointing you to do whatever task. That is your yes in God, your confirmation that God has called you to that office.

Even though that is exactly what I want to hear. I have a feeling that it's not the whole story. People are able to ignore the Holy Spirit. Ignorance is bliss. Plus it's not always the Holy Spirit that you feel, it can be your own feelings or even the enemy. I know this from personal experiance. If the Bible speaks against it, God isn't going to contrdict it. The problem we have now is decerning from what is cultural and what is God's command.
I guess the thing that upsets me is when Paul talks about long and short hair and he says that men are supposed to bring glory to God, not women. Women were created to bring honor and glory to men... it just makes me feel worthless in God's eyes. That I would never be able to bring him glory just because I was bron the wrong sex.

[Tenorvoice]

...it just makes me feel worthless in God's eyes. That I would never be able to bring him glory just because I was bron the wrong sex.

My dear Sister in Christ, there is absolutly no reason for you to feel like this, for in

1 Peter 3:7

Women here are called "heirs together" in other words in God's eye's in the Spiritual realm, you and I are the same,

Galatians 3:28-29
You have nothing to worry bout my dear.

God Bless.

Tenor

[Followers4christ]

Men and women have different roles.That dose'nt mean God loves men more then women God loves us all eqally.The men are suppose to be head of the church as stated in CORINTHIANS 14:35 also in 1 Tim 2:12-15.That dose not mean a woman can't preach the gospel all it means a woman can't be head of the church.Also men are suppose to be head of the marriage as stated in EPHESIANS 5:23 and COLOSSIANS 3:18.The men are told to love thier wives as Christ loved His church(Ephesians 5:25) and do not be harsh with them(colossians 3:19).The men should never be harsh with thier wives that means they should never hit or curse thier wives (1 CORINTHIANS 7:5).God Bless :)

GALATIANS 3:28 "There is neither jew nor greek slave nor free male nor female for you are all one in Christ Jesus.If you belong to Christ then you are Abrahams seed and heirs according to the promise"

[PromiseInLight]

Okay, I'm really stuggling with this.

What is God's view of women in the church, from what I gather he wants them to be as uninvoled as possible.
Paul says it's disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church, why is that? Aren't women just as capable of an intelligent response as a man?

Does this include singing?

This also leads to woman not being allowed to teach in the church, and I can sortta understand this one. Since back then women needed to focus on the households and teaching would take a lot of time out of that. But that doesn't seem to be why Paul tells them not to. He seems to being saying that a woman should have no place of authority anywhere, espeacially the church.

This is really hard for me because everytime I ask or answer a question in my youth group I'm paranoid that I'm sinning.

I am awhere of the famous female peachers of Paul's day, and that he praised them for their work. But why then does he say this?

I'm fine with the husband being the head of the household thing, but it had to explain to me a few times before I understood it. But this just seems to rip all my hopes of serving God right out from under my feet.

I dunno, can someone shed some light on this? Maybe it's just the fact that I'm 13, confused and have a Biology test Friday.
this is a good question. i've asked myself the same stuff in the past. I agree with a lot of the people that have replied to you - but i also wanted to say, asking questions is not sinning. in any way! if you have a question that you want the answer to, just be open minded and search for the truth by looking in the bible and in your fellowship with others. :D

[PromiseInLight]

not to mention praying about it to God :D sorry i forgot to add that, and it's the most important one!