Animals: The Other People

[daveleau]

I just got a monthly magazine that I am subscribed to and the cover art has a boxer bulldog sticking its head out of a car window with the caption: "Animals: The Other People." Inside are some interesting articles about the Buffaloes, hawks and woodchucks, but it also has articles titled:
hunting: a polarizing topic
The Vegan counterpoint
Cats claws and cruelty
Invertebrates: the other other people

Is this what society has dropped to? Are we so tolerant of everything that we have begun calling ourselves equal to the animals?

I know that as Christians we are to be good stewards of the environment. I am cognizant of our effects on the environment, which includes the animal kingdom, but do we really have to stoop to the level of the liberal left and become enviro-nuts/animal-nuts that try to preserve endangered soil in California and stop life-saving animal medical testing?

God bless you,
Dave

[Diakoneo]

I hope not Dave. But up here in Canada - where they have just legalized wickedness as marriage I wouldn't be surprised.

[TwinCrier]

Animals are people but not a preborn human fetus? Today they are people, tomorrow they will be gods.
Romans 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Yes, this is what society has dropped to, and we're not done falling yet.

[Richard]

Hehe. Society is a funny thing. But I do have one comment...

I'm glad I am glad my major isn't in society :P ( can't spell the right name ) ;)

[ZiSunka]

I treat my dogs like people. Okay, maybe not quite, because I wouldn't feed people dog food, nor would I tie them up in the yard, nor would I punish them for peeing on the carpet. Okay, I WOULD punish a human for peeing on the carpet, but I wouldn't do it with a rolled-up newspaper! :D

But I do take them for ice cream sometimes, and I let them sleep on the bed with me (there is nothing like the snoring of a big labrador to make you sleepy!).

And I do think that animals should be treated with great respect, even the ones we raise for food. The Proverbs say that a good man treats even his work animals with kindness, but a bad man treats them cruelly, thinking that they don't matter.

[Diakoneo]

... I WOULD punish a human for peeing on the carpet...


There goes my Christmas vacation plans! Now who will I visit? :cry:

[ZiSunka]

There goes my Christmas vacation plans! Now who will I visit? :cry:

:D :D :D

[arunma]

Let us not commit the error of dismissing or condemning ideas simply because they come from the "liberals." It is unfortunate that political liberals have done such things as endorsing the killing of unborn humans. But they have also done good. For example, political liberals were responsible for the civil rights movement. In fact, it is noteworthy that many conservatives did not support the movement, since they too did not want to associate with liberals.

Anyway, I see some merit in the liberal belief on animal treatment, although I don't agree with all of it. For example, their environmentalist argument is fully compatible with the Bible, since we're supposed to take care of the tent that God has given us as a dwelling place. It is also Biblical to treat animals ethically. The Fourth Commandment states that the Israelites were to give rest to their animals on the Sabbath day.

That said, they do seem to go to far when they place animals above humans. For example, opposing the testing of potentially harmful drugs on animals is quite foolish. It is also wrong to suggest that humans stop eating meat (yes, I'm still a vegetarian). So rather than condemn their argument altogether, I think we should adopt the views that we agree with, and correct them on the points of disagreement.

[JPPT1974]

I treat my dog as a person. I feed her and give her water twice a day. I also take her out to use the restroom five times a day.

[TwinCrier]

...In fact, it is noteworthy that many conservatives did not support the movement, since they too did not want to associate with liberals.
...That is not a fact. Here are facts:
In civil rights votes after 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 percent of the votes. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 percent of the votes.
Republicans voted for civil rights by a margin of 79 percent to 21 percent, 136-35. The Democrats' margin was 153-91 or 63 percent to 37 percent.
Lincoln, a republican, emancipated the slaves and Roosevelt, the democrat one, forced Japanese into concentration camps in the US.
Republican Eisenhower sent troops to Little Rock to enforce the Supreme Court's desegregation ruling, while democratic Senator Sparkman of Alabama signed the "Southern Manifesto."
Even though Kennedy never signed any cilil rights legislation into law, Dems hail him as some great hero of civil rights. :confused:

[arunma]

TwinCrier, this isn't an issue of Republicans and Democrats. All historians are well aware that over a century ago, Republicans were the primary supporters of civil rights. That said, the Democratic party of those days was highly dissimilar to the Democratic party of today (same goes for the Republican party). The Democrats and Republicans of those ages cannot be compared to their modern counterparts.

It is noteworthy that in the days when the Democratic Party supported openly racist policies, most Southern Americans were Democrats. Today, a Southern Democrat is virtually unheard of. When considering our political history, it's important to remember that there was a time when the Democratic party was conservative, while the Republicans were liberal. In my last post, I was referring to the civil rights movement of the 1960's. If you have evidence that conservatives supported this movement in large numbers, I'm willing to admit that I was in error.

[Flynmonkie]

Ok guys - how did we go from Diakoneo sad because there is no peeing on carpets at Lambsloves house to the Republican party? :scratch:

;)

[arunma]

It's quite simple, actually. If a dog who votes Republican pees on Lambslove's carpet, then Diakoneo becomes unhappy. :D

[Flynmonkie]

ya'll are killing me man....... ^_^

Some people's kid's! :scratch: :D

[Sword-In-Hand]

I saw a person drive by me the other day with this cemented on their windshield: "God made the animals, just like He did the humans, so we must treat them as equals and not as food."

My wife and I had a good chuckle at that one, because I argued and said God made the variety of animals to see which one tasted better. But in all honesty it makes me sick to think people equate animal intelligence with our own.

But don't get me wrong. I'm an animal lover....love Beagles. And in the words of comedian Ron White: "I'm a dog lover (pause) well I love my dog, I don't really care all that much about yours."

[ZiSunka]

It's quite simple, actually. If a dog who votes Republican pees on Lambslove's carpet, then Diakoneo becomes unhappy. :D

Everybody stop peeing on my carpets already!:mad: :D :D ^_^

[TwinCrier]

Ok fine. Prepare the pooper-scooper.....

[arunma]

Everybody stop peeing on my carpets already!:mad: :D :D ^_^

Hey now, I don't own any dogs who vote Republican.

[daveleau]

I'm pretty sure all 3 of my cats voted Republican. They love to hang out on my Reagan bookshelf. And I know you guys have all heard how smart cats are (*ducks*), I've caught them doing some reading several times. ;) Now, if I'd let them get on the FDR or Jefferson shelf, things might've been a bit different. :D