OSAS question

[BigNorsk]

Hi,

I have a question, it seems to me that most Baptists believe in Once Saved Always Saved, is that correct? It also seems to me that most Baptists also believe that there is an age of accountability that one reaches before sin is held against the person. That is if one dies young, say as an infant, that one is saved, again correct me if I am wrong.

So my question is, isn't that Twice Saved Always Saved? Or is the salvation of young children not a real salvation?

Marv

[JPPT1974]

Once you accept Christ as your Savior & Lord into your heart and life and admit that you are a sinner. Also following Him in baptizing and joining a church. Once you ask Christ into your life once and only once, then He is in there for the rest of your natural and earthly life.

[Joykins]

Hi,

I have a question, it seems to me that most Baptists believe in Once Saved Always Saved, is that correct? It also seems to me that most Baptists also believe that there is an age of accountability that one reaches before sin is held against the person. That is if one dies young, say as an infant, that one is saved, again correct me if I am wrong.

So my question is, isn't that Twice Saved Always Saved? Or is the salvation of young children not a real salvation?

Marv

Perhaps it is... provisional salvation. One lifesaver, only thrown if you need it...

[arunma]

Hi,

I have a question, it seems to me that most Baptists believe in Once Saved Always Saved, is that correct? It also seems to me that most Baptists also believe that there is an age of accountability that one reaches before sin is held against the person. That is if one dies young, say as an infant, that one is saved, again correct me if I am wrong.

So my question is, isn't that Twice Saved Always Saved? Or is the salvation of young children not a real salvation?

Marv

I wouldn't call the salvation of children "salvation" in the sense that we understand it. We understand original sin as a propensity to sin, rather than a sin in and of itself. So to us, a child doesn't need to be saved from anything, because he's not capable of sin. When children die, they go to heaven because they haven't done anything to warrent eternal condemnation.

That's how I understand it, anyway.

[Flynmonkie]

Hi,

I have a question, it seems to me that most Baptists believe in Once Saved Always Saved, is that correct? It also seems to me that most Baptists also believe that there is an age of accountability that one reaches before sin is held against the person. That is if one dies young, say as an infant, that one is saved, again correct me if I am wrong.

So my question is, isn't that Twice Saved Always Saved? Or is the salvation of young children not a real salvation?

Marv

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I look at it this way accountability is an age of not just "knowing" but an “understanding” how we are to live our life, and the gospel message. Understanding what a relationship with God really means. Wholly without any watering down by mans “theology”.

I also believe it is not for us to know this information about others - we can only assess ourselves. Even then God knows us better than we know ourselves!

I personally have yet to meet someone whom is a Christian that "knows" what that means, that walks away - it is impossible. I have seen faith shaken, or even an anger at God due to misunderstanding-but never a full turning away from God.

God is just and merciful, but it is very obvious to me God is Merciful before just. I believe He deals with each one of us individually on our own path of learning.

Children, we have been told "Theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven" Because God is Merciful before He is just - I believe we can be assured that He is watching over those "children" through the age of understanding salvation on their own individual path. I believe this just as much as Has assured me of my own salvation. IMVHO

[BigNorsk]

Only a few answers and they seem to actually disagree to some extent.

Is it that Once Saved-Always Saved and the Age of Accountability aren't, shall I say, tied together in Baptist theology. By that I mean does one learn the two separate doctrines but they aren't really tied together systematically.

The one poster said original sin isn't real sin just a propensity to sin. Is that pretty well accepted Baptist doctrine?

Thanks,
Marv

[MagusAlbertus]

The one poster said original sin isn't real sin just a propensity to sin. Is that pretty well accepted Baptist doctrine?
It's what i was taught in sunday school.

Is it that Once Saved-Always Saved and the Age of Accountability aren't, shall I say, tied together in Baptist theology. As, in my own understanding, is OSAS and the judgment of the mental retarded not linked.

[ZiSunka]

Hi,

I have a question, it seems to me that most Baptists believe in Once Saved Always Saved, is that correct? It also seems to me that most Baptists also believe that there is an age of accountability that one reaches before sin is held against the person. That is if one dies young, say as an infant, that one is saved, again correct me if I am wrong.

So my question is, isn't that Twice Saved Always Saved? Or is the salvation of young children not a real salvation?

Marv

Children are saved by their faith, which Jesus implies all children have (matthew 18 among other references) although they may not be directly aware that that faith is meaningful. Later in life, people are saved by a direct awareness of their sinfulness and need for Christ's atoning death on the cross and a conscious acceptance of the gift of salvation.

Thinking to my own childhood, I had faith in God, unquestioning, honest, unassuming faith in a God who blessed me without me having to earn those blessings by good behavior or performance of ritual. He was just there, like my daddy, seeing to my needs and loving me without requiring me to do anything to earn it.

Later, when all the other false junk about Christ was heaped into my belief system by other people and when the cares and desires of the world overcame me, when being disappointed by the fairytales I had been told took its toll on my heart, then I stopped believing in that God and tried to remake him and failing that, abandoned him altogether until I rediscovered him and his mercy and grace through listening to Christian radio. I don't necessarily consider that the being of my relationship with God, but the continuation of my relationship with him, when faith was no longer an overwhelming burden to be borne, but became something that was given to me as a free gift from God.

[MagusAlbertus]

Later, when all the other false junk about Christ was heaped into my belief system by other people and when the cares and desires of the world overcame me, when being disappointed by the fairytalesnot to hyjack the thread or make you repeat yourself, but could you say more about the false-junk and fairytales that lead you astray?

[ZiSunka]

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We were taught that we have to please God by having all the sacrements administered to us and that we have no hope of salvation outside of getting enough grace through sacrements and sacrementals, and even then it is presumptuous to say that God is pleased with us. We were taught that everyone has to go to purgatory and that that is where you suffer for your sins and if you suffer enough, you might be saved after thousands and even millions of years. We were taught that Christ has to be crucified over and over again for our sins and that failure to be sufficiently grieved over this was proof that we weren't being saved. And so on...

Then later I heard other things about Christ, like he only died for some people's sins but not others and it's impossible to know if he died for yours until you die. Or that you have to work hard to please him, like remembering and confessing and repenting every sin you ever commit. You know, junk. :sick: