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Charles YTK
10th August 2005, 08:47 AM
I was wondering if it is OK to state what your favorit soft drink is.

I drink Diet coke most of the time but I have to get a break from it once in a while and switch to the strong brew, (Dr. Peter)

Sephania
10th August 2005, 09:39 AM
Water.

Sephania
10th August 2005, 09:39 AM
If I want something bubbly I like Holy Water, full of life!

Sephania
10th August 2005, 09:41 AM
Now if you reallly want to be hip, 'in', 'happening', get some Kabbalah Water, only $4.50 a bottle, $800 a case, you can get US or Israel bottled. :doh:

Artos
10th August 2005, 09:42 AM
used to be Pepsi...now its Coke.

Charles YTK
10th August 2005, 09:43 AM
AHHHH! Soft Drinks and soft talk. Ain't it so edifying?

Sephania
10th August 2005, 09:47 AM
I don't know, I feel bloated here and don't know why?????

Artos
10th August 2005, 09:59 AM
Try Gelusil....heh heh

Andyman_1970
10th August 2005, 11:26 AM
Dr. Pepper / the cheap Wal-Mart Dr. Thunder

The new "flavored" Dasani water is pretty good as well.

AlikhnKwizad
10th August 2005, 01:08 PM
Water... oh... ARAZONIA GREEN TEA W/ HONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ah! Refreshing!

Soda? Hmm... Not much into it anymore.

Tishri1
10th August 2005, 01:10 PM
I was wondering if it is OK to state what your favorit soft drink is.

I drink Diet coke most of the time but I have to get a break from it once in a while and switch to the strong brew, (Dr. Peter)Diet coke!:thumbsup:

Vaneeza Malkah
10th August 2005, 01:19 PM
Don't you know fake sugar is bad for you?? :P Well anyways my favorite "drink" of the moment is Pomegranite juice, very high antioxidants, helps me in this very polluted city, "gasp, gag, cough".

MyLittleWonders
10th August 2005, 06:43 PM
Hmm ... water around here. Sometimes some herbal tea with honey. Oh, and always smoothies made with raw milk and either homemade yogurt or homemade kefir ... doesn't get much better than that!

Bon
10th August 2005, 06:46 PM
Fresh squeezed lemon juice with boiled water and honey first thing in the morning.

Water the rest of the day.

But, I gotta have at least one "real" coffee a day.....ie: capaccino or plunger.

But...no soft drinks.....I don't like them. They are far too sweet and syrupy for my liking....I actually feel thirstier if I have a glass of soft drink if/when there is no alternative.

Bon

christinepro
10th August 2005, 07:55 PM
I like water too and Dom Perion!!If I could afford it!! Is Dom Perion Kosher?

Vaneeza Malkah
10th August 2005, 08:34 PM
Is Dom Perion Kosher? umm, you made me curious so I looked it up and the answer is no. But it's not a big surprise since most grape juices aren't certified kosher. To know if its biblically kosher I'm not sure, but it's not rabbinic "certified" kosher.

visionary
10th August 2005, 08:48 PM
not sodas... I just do not believe they are health .... give me water or I will drink sweat tea (since I live in the south).

christinepro
10th August 2005, 08:49 PM
umm, you made me curious so I looked it up and the answer is no. But it's not a big surprise since most grape juices aren't certified kosher. To know if its biblically kosher I'm not sure, but it's not rabbinic "certified" kosher. Oh darn. I guess it isn't worth the $145 that I don't have eh!! Thanks for looking it up. Who would want to pay that much for something that is not Kosher? Too funny... How about the wine that is made at those places that you bottle it yourself? Is it Kosher?

Vaneeza Malkah
10th August 2005, 10:19 PM
Oh darn. I guess it isn't worth the $145 that I don't have eh!! Thanks for looking it up. Who would want to pay that much for something that is not Kosher? Too funny... How about the wine that is made at those places that you bottle it yourself? Is it Kosher?

I think that the wine has to be made from grapes which are grown kosher??? :confused: I really don't know about it that much. But like I said some of the kosher wine/grape juice thing is purely rabbinic.

jgonz
10th August 2005, 10:29 PM
Years ago my favorite pop was Mountain Dew. Then I switched to Caffeine Free Pepsi 'cause I couldn't handle the caffeine in MD anymore. Then it got to the point I couldn't handle all the sugar and whoknowswhatall in the CF Pepsi. So I only drink water now~ filtered through our reverse osmosis sytem. :)

Vaneeza Malkah
10th August 2005, 10:48 PM
last year we got a letter on our door saying that the water we drank had excess amounts of (fill in the blank) cancer causing "particles" but not to worry because it would only be harmful if drunk over long periods of time! :sick:

christinepro
10th August 2005, 10:58 PM
last year we got a letter on our door saying that the water we drank had excess amounts of (fill in the blank) cancer causing "particles" but not to worry because it would only be harmful if drunk over long periods of time! :sick: Oh you mean carcinogens!!! ? What kind were they?That sucks!:pray: They tell us not to eat fish from lake Huron more that once a week because of mercury and etc.... Well, guess where do we get our water ? Lake Huron...Hmmmm..

Bon
10th August 2005, 11:14 PM
Oh you mean carcinogens!!! ? What kind were they?That sucks!:pray: They tell us not to eat fish from lake Huron more that once a week because of mercury and etc.... Well, guess where do we get our water ? Lake Huron...Hmmmm..

Speaking of fish.....I watched a sefment of a current affair program here this week and it was about the mercury content of fish and pregnancy.

A woman who was pregnant and decided to eat lots of fish for a healthy pregnancy, lost her baby to mercury poisoning.....Her m levels were something like 350....where normal or safe levels of mercury in our systems is 6.

They ended the story with an interesting comment......"stay away from the BIG fish with the BIG teeth."
ie: sword-fish, shark. (non-kosher fish)

Bon

christinepro
10th August 2005, 11:27 PM
Speaking of fish.....I watched a sefment of a current affair program here this week and it was about the mercury content of fish and pregnancy.

A woman who was pregnant and decided to eat lots of fish for a healthy pregnancy, lost her baby to mercury poisoning.....Her m levels were something like 350....where normal or safe levels of mercury in our systems is 6.

They ended the story with an interesting comment......"stay away from the BIG fish with the BIG teeth."
ie: sword-fish, shark. (non-kosher fish)

Bon Makes you wonder where the mercury comes from?

Bananna
10th August 2005, 11:42 PM
Water.
ah yes

water for me too. Dasani or filtered water.

bananna

Devasha
11th August 2005, 01:36 AM
:yum: Diet Coke with Lemon :thumbsup:

Andyman_1970
11th August 2005, 08:51 AM
Speaking of fish.....I watched a sefment of a current affair program here this week and it was about the mercury content of fish and pregnancy.

A woman who was pregnant and decided to eat lots of fish for a healthy pregnancy, lost her baby to mercury poisoning.....Her m levels were something like 350....where normal or safe levels of mercury in our systems is 6.

They ended the story with an interesting comment......"stay away from the BIG fish with the BIG teeth."
ie: sword-fish, shark. (non-kosher fish)

Bon

When my wife was pregnant she was advised to stay away from all kinds of fish for that very reason you cite.

Sephania
11th August 2005, 10:04 AM
I think that the wine has to be made from grapes which are grown kosher??? :confused: I really don't know about it that much. But like I said some of the kosher wine/grape juice thing is purely rabbinic.What do you mean by purely Rabbinic?

Sephania
11th August 2005, 10:06 AM
Green Tea makes me thirsty, anyone else?

Vaneeza Malkah
11th August 2005, 04:08 PM
What do you mean by purely Rabbinic?

well, from what I know - its like kosher cheese, there are some (cheese) that might be labled as kosher otherwise but since it didn't come from a certified kosher cow, its not kosher, there's no way of knowing if the cheese has pork enzyme in it or some other (kosher) form of enzyme. I'm willing to say I don't know that much about it but that there is plenty of grape juice (non-kosher certified) which has no non-kosher ingredients in it whatsoever, but for various reasons its not deemed kosher.

belladonic-haze
11th August 2005, 04:10 PM
water

Talmidah
11th August 2005, 07:51 PM
well, from what I know - its like kosher cheese, there are some (cheese) that might be labled as kosher otherwise but since it didn't come from a certified kosher cow, its not kosher

a certified kosher cow?

skiguy21
11th August 2005, 08:07 PM
Ale8

Vaneeza Malkah
11th August 2005, 08:24 PM
a certified kosher cow?

Yes, renit, used to make cheese is either from cow stomach or pig stomach (aka meat, enzyme). In order for the cheese to be kosher the renit has to be from a kosher slaughtered cow. Also, cows have to be raised kosher, ex: vegetarian diet, healthy...therefore cow product has to be raised kosher and then slaughtered kosher. You can slaughter a cow in a kosher way, but if it is raised in a way unaccording to the scriptures, then what good does it do?

Am I recommending buying unkosher cheese? No. I'm just pointing out that it is likely for unkosher cheese to have no unclean ingredients in it.

Note that when referring to enzymes: all enzymes are classified as meat product. While there are "enzymes" that come from vegetable sources, they are not usually classified as such. A similar example would be pectin is fruit gelatine.

sanctified2
11th August 2005, 09:01 PM
coke # 1

Mikhail
12th August 2005, 12:08 AM
Yes, renit, used to make cheese is either from cow stomach or pig stomach (aka meat, enzyme). In order for the cheese to be kosher the renit has to be from a kosher slaughtered cow. Also, cows have to be raised kosher, ex: vegetarian diet, healthy...therefore cow product has to be raised kosher and then slaughtered kosher. You can slaughter a cow in a kosher way, but if it is raised in a way unaccording to the scriptures, then what good does it do?

Am I recommending buying unkosher cheese? No. I'm just pointing out that it is likely for unkosher cheese to have no unclean ingredients in it.

Note that when referring to enzymes: all enzymes are classified as meat product. While there are "enzymes" that come from vegetable sources, they are not usually classified as such. A similar example would be pectin is fruit gelatine.

This is Kosher taken to rediculous extents if I kill a wild duck that eats insects that are not kosher is it forbidden to eat? Not according to the written Torah of Moses.

What about a Chicken that eats worms on the farm that also is permitted.

I think the the issues of Vegans has been applied to Kosher wich is adding to the written torah regarding instructions of food handling.
Shalom,
Mikhail ben Gino

Vaneeza Malkah
12th August 2005, 12:23 AM
This is Kosher taken to rediculous extents if I kill a wild duck that eats insects that are not kosher is it forbidden to eat? Not according to the written Torah of Moses.

What about a Chicken that eats worms on the farm that also is permitted.

I think the the issues of Vegans has been applied to Kosher wich is adding to the written torah regarding instructions of food handling.
Shalom,
Mikhail ben Gino

The danger mainly is that many farmers are cannibalizing the cows which is unnatural and unbiblical, also they are slaughtering unhealthy animals. But set aside the facts, I believe the animals should eat as they naturally would eat. It is natural for a duck or a chicken to eat worms and small bugs, but it is unnatural for a cow to eat its own kind or any other kind of meat.

MyLittleWonders
12th August 2005, 01:09 AM
To me the point is that the cheese I may be serving my family might have enzymes in it derived from a pig's stomach. EWWWW! Yes, the enzymes may be from the cow's stomach instead, which I guess is a bit better, but for us, we stay away (at least as much as we can) from non-vegetarian cheese. Tillamook, for example, makes their cheeses (except the white extra sharp cheddar, which we don't buy ;)) from vegetable rennet. Plus, even if the commandment of not seething a kid in it's mother's milk is taken literally (which we do for the most part), it seems pretty unethical to use a part of an animals body to help make something with it's milk (using something from a cow's stomach to culture the milk from it's udders).

Vaneeza Malkah
12th August 2005, 01:32 AM
Should I start a thread on eating kosher?, thanks MyLittleWonders, I am certainly open to the opinion of others regaurding scriptures and you bring up some interesting points. We don't have a kosher grocery store nearby where we live, but I have heard of Tillamook.

Talmidah
12th August 2005, 12:11 PM
Yes, renit, used to make cheese is either from cow stomach or pig stomach (aka meat, enzyme). In order for the cheese to be kosher the renit has to be from a kosher slaughtered cow. Also, cows have to be raised kosher, ex: vegetarian diet, healthy...therefore cow product has to be raised kosher and then slaughtered kosher. You can slaughter a cow in a kosher way, but if it is raised in a way unaccording to the scriptures, then what good does it do?

Am I recommending buying unkosher cheese? No. I'm just pointing out that it is likely for unkosher cheese to have no unclean ingredients in it.

Note that when referring to enzymes: all enzymes are classified as meat product. While there are "enzymes" that come from vegetable sources, they are not usually classified as such. A similar example would be pectin is fruit gelatine.

I'm sorry, I should have clarified my question. I am well familiar with kosher/non kosher cheese as I do keep strict "rabbinical" kosher. I just wasn't sure what you meant by a "certified kosher cow". The requirement for the kashrut of the cow is only with the slaughter and kashering of said cow. And for a cheese to be kosher, the mashgiach must be present during the processing, as well as personally adding in the rennet enzyme to the milk. Even though now many cheeses are made using a microbial enzyme, the restriction regarding who puts the enzyme in still stands.

Talmidah
12th August 2005, 12:16 PM
Tillamook, for example, makes their cheeses (except the white extra sharp cheddar, which we don't buy ;)) from vegetable rennet.

This is true, but if you notice, their only certified kosher cheese is the medium cheddar, and only a small portion of that. That is because the kosher cheese is only made on certain days when the mashgiach is present and involved in the process.

I am aware that most here do not keep kosher to this degree, nor am I trying to debate the issue...just wanted to throw out some info in case anyone was interested.

Vaneeza Malkah
12th August 2005, 01:55 PM
I'm sorry, I should have clarified my question. I am well familiar with kosher/non kosher cheese as I do keep strict "rabbinical" kosher. I just wasn't sure what you meant by a "certified kosher cow". The requirement for the kashrut of the cow is only with the slaughter and kashering of said cow. And for a cheese to be kosher, the mashgiach must be present during the processing, as well as personally adding in the rennet enzyme to the milk. Even though now many cheeses are made using a microbial enzyme, the restriction regarding who puts the enzyme in still stands.

It seems you already know. Well the cow which provides the milk has to be kosher (or you could say the milk has to be kosher) as well as the renit. Both come from cows, I was trying to save space in my writing rather than listing ingredients. :sigh: Well anyway all of my information is from a friend who raises goats for kosher slaughter.

Ahavah
18th August 2005, 03:13 PM
I like my water on a pillow (Soft drink right?)http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/13/13_4_10.gif

Vaneeza Malkah
16th September 2005, 12:31 AM
ugh: recovering this from the dog pile::

Kosher wine (http://www.gemsinisrael.com/e_article000033155.htm)



Is Dom Perion Kosher?

umm, you made me curious so I looked it up and the answer is no. But it's not a big surprise since most grape juices aren't certified kosher. To know if its biblically kosher I'm not sure, but it's not rabbinic "certified" kosher.

P_G
16th September 2005, 11:53 AM
Coca Cola

And I don't think you can make cheese with rennit and make it be Kosher
This because Rennit is an animal product so the prohibition between meat and Dairy would come into play.
(mind you I do not keep a rabinical standard of Kashering)

But I do not see how you could make a kosher cheese with rennit

PG

Talmidah
16th September 2005, 04:02 PM
Coca Cola

And I don't think you can make cheese with rennit and make it be Kosher
This because Rennit is an animal product so the prohibition between meat and Dairy would come into play.
(mind you I do not keep a rabinical standard of Kashering)

But I do not see how you could make a kosher cheese with rennit

PG

There are some that hold to a principle of ..... I forget the name and my books are not here. Anyway, its where there is such a small part of something in something else (like 60 to 1) that it is as if it weren't there. Also some say that the fact that the rennet is changed from its original source, it is not considered as part of the animal. Others say this is hypocrisy and say that the principle of -------- means that if a little tiny itsy bitsy bit of dairy happened to come into contact with a large amount of a meat dish accidentally, then it is okay. But to do it purposely (as in the making of cheese), you cannot fall back onto that principle.

Sorry for the vagueness, once again on a quick break at work and don't have the proper material with me.