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Protoevangel
9th August 2005, 01:40 PM
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The democracy ruse

Posted: August 9, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Joseph Farah
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com


When senators return to Washington next month, they will be set to consider legislation that would commit America to advancing "democracy" around the world.
When Judge John Roberts was introduced by President Bush as his Supreme Court nominee last month, he twice referred to our system of governance in the U.S. as a "democracy."
President Bush has made spreading "democracy" a centerpiece of his second-term agenda, arguing that establishing prosperous democracies in areas like the Middle East will create peaceable neighbors.
Now, when I've raised this issue in the past, I've been criticized for "splitting hairs" over semantics.

For years, I have been cringing, shuddering, rebuking at the frequent use of the word "democracy" by U.S. policymakers who hold up this political system as the best the world has to offer.

Why would we here in the United States – the beneficiaries of the rejection of democracy by our founders – want to foist that failed, corrupt and immoral system on the rest of the world?

That's right. I called "democracy" a failed, corrupt and immoral system of governance.

I can't believe people no longer comprehend the difference between "democracy" and "freedom." They use these terms as if they were interchangeable.

Worse yet, some in the United States actually expect to see good results from experiments with "democracy" in places that have no experience with self-government, places that have long histories of ethnic and religious groups victimizing one another, places that have no understanding of basic human rights.

Here's the truth about democracies: They always descend into tyranny. Our founding fathers knew it. That's why they avoided creating one here in America. Even among populations fully capable of and practicing self-government, democracy always represents a lethal deathblow. Yet, somehow, too many of us fail to understand the critical distinctions between constitutional representative governments – that protect the absolute, inalienable rights of minorities – and democracies, in which the mob rules.

Yet, everywhere I turn, I am still hearing seemingly well-informed people calling for the spread of an evil system known as democracy.

No sooner did I get off the radio the other day, after three hours of railing against democracy, than I got an invitation from a university journalism program nominating me for an award for my role in support of "participatory democracy."

I wrote back explaining: "I don't believe in democracy. Does that disqualify me?"

The astonished representative of the program wrote back inquiring as to what I meant.

"America is not a democracy and never has been," I explained. "The founding fathers were careful to craft an alternative system to democracy, which, they warned, always leads to tyranny. They were cognizant of the democracy in France that led directly to the guillotine. 'Democracy' appears nowhere in our founding documents. It is a mistake to equate democracy with freedom, as too many politicians do. I cannot participate in the promotion of a concept I find truly repugnant. I believe in a constitutional republic that protects the rights of minorities and individuals. Democracy does not offer that."

I guess the roots of this confused thinking about democracy may have begun in America with President Woodrow Wilson who plunged the nation into the Great War, as it was known then, "to make the world safe for democracy."

What a dreadful idea that was.

Just 24 years later, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt led America into World War II by proclaiming the country "must be the great arsenal of democracy."

How about an "arsenal of freedom"?

Whether this redefinition of American ideals was intentional deception or simple ignorance, the effects were the same. Americans have come to embrace democracy, which is a perfectly dreadful form of government – one that always leads to tyranny.

Perhaps the most concise and definitive condemnation of democracy came from Lord Acton: "The one prevailing evil of democracy is the tyranny of the majority, or rather that party, not always the majority, that succeeds, by force or fraud, in carrying elections."

But my favorite analogy illustration of democracy is the one that equates it with two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.

SPALATIN
9th August 2005, 01:48 PM
Thoughts?





This is a WorldNetDaily printer-friendly version of the article which follows.
To view this item online, visit http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45672

The democracy ruse

Posted: August 9, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Joseph Farah
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

When senators return to Washington next month, they will be set to consider legislation that would commit America to advancing "democracy" around the world.
When Judge John Roberts was introduced by President Bush as his Supreme Court nominee last month, he twice referred to our system of governance in the U.S. as a "democracy."
President Bush has made spreading "democracy" a centerpiece of his second-term agenda, arguing that establishing prosperous democracies in areas like the Middle East will create peaceable neighbors.
Now, when I've raised this issue in the past, I've been criticized for "splitting hairs" over semantics.

For years, I have been cringing, shuddering, rebuking at the frequent use of the word "democracy" by U.S. policymakers who hold up this political system as the best the world has to offer.

Why would we here in the United States – the beneficiaries of the rejection of democracy by our founders – want to foist that failed, corrupt and immoral system on the rest of the world?

That's right. I called "democracy" a failed, corrupt and immoral system of governance.

I can't believe people no longer comprehend the difference between "democracy" and "freedom." They use these terms as if they were interchangeable.

Worse yet, some in the United States actually expect to see good results from experiments with "democracy" in places that have no experience with self-government, places that have long histories of ethnic and religious groups victimizing one another, places that have no understanding of basic human rights.

Here's the truth about democracies: They always descend into tyranny. Our founding fathers knew it. That's why they avoided creating one here in America. Even among populations fully capable of and practicing self-government, democracy always represents a lethal deathblow. Yet, somehow, too many of us fail to understand the critical distinctions between constitutional representative governments – that protect the absolute, inalienable rights of minorities – and democracies, in which the mob rules.

Yet, everywhere I turn, I am still hearing seemingly well-informed people calling for the spread of an evil system known as democracy.

No sooner did I get off the radio the other day, after three hours of railing against democracy, than I got an invitation from a university journalism program nominating me for an award for my role in support of "participatory democracy."

I wrote back explaining: "I don't believe in democracy. Does that disqualify me?"

The astonished representative of the program wrote back inquiring as to what I meant.

"America is not a democracy and never has been," I explained. "The founding fathers were careful to craft an alternative system to democracy, which, they warned, always leads to tyranny. They were cognizant of the democracy in France that led directly to the guillotine. 'Democracy' appears nowhere in our founding documents. It is a mistake to equate democracy with freedom, as too many politicians do. I cannot participate in the promotion of a concept I find truly repugnant. I believe in a constitutional republic that protects the rights of minorities and individuals. Democracy does not offer that."

I guess the roots of this confused thinking about democracy may have begun in America with President Woodrow Wilson who plunged the nation into the Great War, as it was known then, "to make the world safe for democracy."

What a dreadful idea that was.

Just 24 years later, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt led America into World War II by proclaiming the country "must be the great arsenal of democracy."

How about an "arsenal of freedom"?

Whether this redefinition of American ideals was intentional deception or simple ignorance, the effects were the same. Americans have come to embrace democracy, which is a perfectly dreadful form of government – one that always leads to tyranny.

Perhaps the most concise and definitive condemnation of democracy came from Lord Acton: "The one prevailing evil of democracy is the tyranny of the majority, or rather that party, not always the majority, that succeeds, by force or fraud, in carrying elections."

But my favorite analogy illustration of democracy is the one that equates it with two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.

Democracy is how we elect our officials. THE END

Republic is only a mere small part of how our government is run. Back in the beginning it was more of a republic than it is now. Now it is a Special Interests dictatorship, or SID.

Protoevangel
9th August 2005, 02:46 PM
In historical use, especially in the works of the Founding Fathers, and still, in modern constitutional theory, the word democracy refers solely to "direct democracy", while a "representative democracy" (where representatives of the people govern in accordance with a constitution), is always referred to as a "republic." New, sloppy, "popular" useage of the word has blurred the line, and IMO, caused a lot of the problems and confusion about what America was founded to be.

No Swansong
9th August 2005, 03:29 PM
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Qoheleth
9th August 2005, 03:46 PM
Simply, The USA is a...Constitutionally limited Republic


Q

Protoevangel
9th August 2005, 03:49 PM
You make a good point, jtbdad. Mr Farah is equivocating "democracy" unfairly. Actually, the word has been equivocated already, but he is taking advantage of that fact. He is pretending that the "senators return[ing] to Washington next month", Judge John Roberts, and President Bush are all using the word in the same manner as he understands it.

xristos.anesti
10th August 2005, 02:24 AM
Democracy is the way people choose who is going to rip 'em off for the next 4 years.

ctobola
10th August 2005, 07:29 AM
Jtbdad makes a good point.

I think it's also important to consider the source. WorldNetDaily borders on being a freak show for the uneducated, uncritical right -- not a thoughtful presentation of conservative ideas that a person might expect from a William Safire, Ben Stein, William F Buckley or George Will.

-Cloy

If this guy (the author) realizes that the wrong phrase or word (democracy) is being used, and if he realizes that most people, not knowing the difference, refer to our Republic as a Democracy, why does he care? Basically you've got the wrong word (Democracy) with the right idea (Representative Republic) I don't believe that Pres. Bush is advocating a pure democracy and I don't know anybody who believes that he is. So why would he (the author) spend 3 hours "railing against democracy" if most people are wrong about it's definition anyway? If people were truly beginning to call for a pure democracy I would agree that some education is in order but I disagree with the author when he writes "Americans have come to embrace democracy, which is a perfectly dreadful form of government – one that always leads to tyranny"

I have met only a handful of people in my lifetime that believe the majority should always and in every case rule.

I think he may be railing just to hear the sound of his own voice.

Thanks for sharing the article DanHead

John

Protoevangel
10th August 2005, 11:12 AM
Funny, that while WND does feature some exclusive stories, most of the news on their site is from AP, USA Today, MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News, etc.

Care to back up your slander Cloy? Never mind, anything you disagree with must be, by it's very nature, uneducated and a freak show. :bow:

SPALATIN
10th August 2005, 11:33 AM
Marshall McLuhan once quipped that the "Medium is the Message." So if the Medium is Conservative it will give a conservative message. If Liberal, a liberal message. We like, in the USA (we don't represent all of which is called America), to use labels on others, but we don't like to be labeled because it corners or stereotypes us.

Thomas Jefferson said that a little rebellion is good for the republic. The word Democracy is a bad label for what our government structure is. It isn't even a very good republic. I'm sure that the motives of the representatives we elect are at times noble especially when we elect them, but when they are finally able to get into their office and begin working those noble motives somehow change over time and they start to act for themselves rather than for those who put them there.

ctobola
10th August 2005, 11:58 AM
Funny, that while WND does feature some exclusive stories, most of the news on their site is from AP, USA Today, MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News, etc.

Care to back up your slander Cloy? Never mind, anything you disagree with must be, by it's very nature, uneducated and a freak show. :bow:

Dan,

Thanks for the vote of confidence. :hug:

I think WND uses exactly the same kind of approach as the pro-smoking crowd. You take one or two items out of context, play them up really big, and ignore any alternative or contrary explanations.

(As H. L. Mencken said, "For every complex human problem, there is a clear and simple solution ...that is wrong.")

Keep playing the same simplistic, message over and over until people believe it. It worked well for Hitler, the communists have done it for years, and I think it's the basis of a lot of talk radio trash. As someone else in this group noted, Satan just needs to mix a little truth into his arguments to make them appealing: he don't need to completely turn people around to mislead them -- a little to the left or right will do.

In Christ, -Cloy

Protoevangel
10th August 2005, 12:00 PM
More trash-talk Cloy? Want to back it up now?