Arabs, Israelis preparing Temple Mount showdown on Aug 14th

[Wags]

FROM WND'S JERUSALEM BUREAU
Arabs, Israelis prepare
Temple Mount showdown
Jewish, Muslim groups plan major protests at same time on explosive holy site next week
Posted: August 6, 2005
8:15 p.m. Eastern

By Aaron Klein
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

JERUSALEM – A Palestinian Temple Mount leader with alleged links to Hamas has called on Arabs to flood the holy site next weekend to protect it from "Israeli protesters," while a Jewish group is urging Jews to ascend the Mount en mass the same day.

The announcements come one day after an Israeli soldier who refused orders to participate in this month's planned Gaza withdrawal killed four Arabs and wounded 19 others in a shooting attack, fueling tensions here and prompting Arab calls for revenge.

Sheikh Raed Salah, head of the Islamic Movement, a Palestinian Temple Mount activist group, called on Arabs Friday to "defend the Al-Aqsa Mosque" Aug. 14, the day Jews commemorate the destruction of the First and Second Temples with a 25-hour fast.


The Western Wall, below the Mount, is usually particularly crowded the day of the fast, with several large Jewish prayer services taking place throughout the day and the night before. The Jewish worshippers traditionally do not ascend the heavily restricted Mount itself.

Salah, who was recently released from prison, has been accused by Israel of receiving funds from organizations related to terror groups, including Hamas. He said Friday, Muslims must defend Al Aqsa by outnumbering the Jews praying at the Western Wall below.

The Islamic Movement's call for Palestinian protests coincides with an announcement by Revava, a Jewish Temple Mount group, for Jews to ascend the Mount Aug. 14 to hold a "massive prayer assembly for the rebuilding of our holy Temple on its historic site."

David Ha'ivri, chairman of Revava, told WND, "The Muslims must understand that their rule over our holy place has come to an end and that the Jewish people will exercise our religious rights on the Temple Mount. We expect thousands of Jews to take part."

It was unclear if Jerusalem police would allow the rally to take place. The police have previously banned some of Revava's other protests, citing "security concerns."

Revava last held a rally at the Western Wall April 10, after it announced plans to bring 10,000 Jews to the Mount, prompting counter-protests by Palestinians in the West Bank, Gaza and on the Temple Mount, and by more than 100,000 Muslims in Indonesia and several other Muslim countries.

Only about 200 Jewish protesters were allowed past intense security during the Revava rally and they did not ascend the Mount.

Ha'ivri expects a large turn out this time, partly because there will likely already be thousands at the Western Wall during the fast day.

"Also, over the last weekend, a number of Jewish Temple groups have joined our call and have posted ads in the newspapers calling for marches to the Temple gates and for prayer on the Temple Mount," Haivri explained.

The Temple Mount activity comes at a particularly heated time here.

In an act Israeli police are calling "Jewish terrorism," Eden Natan Zada, 19, carried out a shooting attack against Arab passengers on a public Israeli bus in the northern Arab town of Shfaram on Thursday. Zada also was killed when he was assaulted by a mob of angry Arab bystanders and witnesses.

Zada was an Israeli Defense Forces soldier recently sentenced to jail time for refusing orders related to the Aug. 17 evacuation of Jewish communities in Gaza and parts of Samaria.

The attack elicited calls for Arab protests and revenge. Israeli Arabs Friday held a general strike. Hamas warned of possible retaliation. The Arab-Israeli Monitoring Committee, which includes leading Arab figures, stated, "A popular uprising against the fascism and negative treatment we receive is the most reasonable scenario."

Relating the shooting to possible violence on the Temple Mount, Salah said, "This is not an isolated incident. It is the outcome of the Israeli discriminatory policy against the Arab residents of Israel. Last year the settlers said that they will carry a terrorist attack against the al-Aqsa mosque, and other mosques in Israel. This attack could be one of a series of planned terrorism against us."


The Temple Mount was opened to the general public until September 2000, when the Palestinians started their intifada by throwing stones at Jewish worshipers after then-candidate for prime minister Ariel Sharon visited the area.

Following the onset of violence, the new Sharon government closed the Mount to non-Muslims, using checkpoints to control all pedestrian traffic for fear of further clashes with the Palestinians.

The Temple Mount was reopened to non-Muslims in August 2003. It still is open but only Sundays through Thursdays, 7:30 a.m. to 10 a.m. and 12:30 p.m. to 1:30 p.m., and not on any Christian, Jewish or Muslim holidays or other days considered "sensitive" by the Waqf, the Muslim custodians of the Temple Mount.

During "open" days, Jews and Christian are allowed to ascend the Mount, usually through organized tours and only if they conform first to a strict set of guidelines, which includes demands that they not pray or bring any "holy objects" to the site. Visitors are banned from entering any of the mosques without direct Waqf permission. Rules are enforced by Waqf agents, who watch tours closely and alert nearby Israeli police to any breaking of their guidelines.

[Bananna]

will pray.

May Abba increase the boarders of Israel.

bananna

[Charles YTK]

This is interesting too because as I posted a week or so ago, this Oct 4th which is the feast of Trumpets completing the Generation of 14000 days since Jerusalem was regained as a city of Israel.

As a reminder it was 14000 days from the Exodus to the command to re-enter the promised land

It was 14000 days from the death of Messiah to the final destruction of the temple and the removal of the Jews from Jerusalem in 71AD

It is possible that we are in the final generations end, and at the beginning of the Tribulation. Seems that there wold be some tragic kick off for this time of troubles. Could this be it, and on Tisha B'AV yet ?

[visionary]

When it will flare up into the mess of mass destruction, no one knows, but we do know it will happen and I agree with you I think we are the generation to see it.

[Bon]

Where does:
1 Thessalonians 5:3
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

...fit into the picture please? :)

Bon

[Bracy]

Where does:
1 Thessalonians 5:3
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

...fit into the picture please?

I haven't formed an opinion myself yet, but one possible explanation I've heard is that the words "peace and safety" do not mean that they have acquired "peace and safety" but that they are crying out for "peace and safety."

[Charles YTK]

I Think the entire process of building stability in Israel since 1967 has been "Lands for Peace and Safety". Since the time they won these lands back in defending themselves from unprovoked violence they have tried to broker peace and saftey this way. Perhaps that is what the prophecy means.

[Mikhail]

This is interesting too because as I posted a week or so ago, this Oct 4th which is the feast of Trumpets completing the Generation of 14000 days since Jerusalem was regained as a city of Israel.

As a reminder it was 14000 days from the Exodus to the command to re-enter the promised land

It was 14000 days from the death of Messiah to the final destruction of the temple and the removal of the Jews from Jerusalem in 71AD

It is possible that we are in the final generations end, and at the beginning of the Tribulation. Seems that there wold be some tragic kick off for this time of troubles. Could this be it, and on Tisha B'AV yet ?

Hi Charles,
I assume that you are using the Calender of Hillel II for this, what would the date be if you used the Agriculturaly corrected calender of the Karaites?


New Moon Report
August 2005
Sixth Biblical Month
On Saturday August 6, 2005 the New Moon was sighted from Israel.
The new moon was sighted by Carmen and Terry Fehr, Dina and Avi
Marcus, and Steve Berkowitz at 19:51 from Jerusalem and by Devorah
Gordon and Ferenc Illesy at 19:57 also from Jerusalem.
Keep an eye out for next month's new moon report which will declare
Yom Teruah!
Shalom,
Mikhail ben Gino

[Charles YTK]

Hi Charles,
I assume that you are using the Calender of Hillel II for this, what would the date be if you used the Agriculturaly corrected calender of the Karaites?



Shalom,
Mikhail ben Gino
AH yes the Calendars. This is always a problem. And I have not figured it the other way. However here is the thing. No matter what calendar you use, if you start with one and end with the same one the days come out pretty close, probably within a day or two. This is because we are looking at a span of many years, 38 years and 4 months. And all calendars have to correct to the equinox eventually in their cycle. IF they didn't then our seasons would get out of sync with the events we recognise. And the plants and animals seem to know all this better than we do. We have probably all seen the cherry blossoms come even when the spring remains cold and may even be spitting snow still. Without we didn't reset our calendars to the stars, then we would have Passover in the middle of winter for example. So there are intercalulative months of extra days to correct this and line everything up. So on average all calendars over long periods become 365.24 days. So for the long period you can simply count years by any calendar (like the gregorian) and then for months within one year you must use the 30 days calendar. The computer program I use is a mystery to me as to how it dos all this, but it seems to come out correctly over some pretty long periods, coming to the correct day as well as the correct date. Two things are constant in all calendars, the length of the solar year, Equinox to equinox and the cycles of seven days.

Perhaps you could calculate these spans of time by the Karaite calendar and we can compare.

[Charles YTK]

Just checked my computer Calendar program and it says Aug 6th is AV 1. I know that the two calendars are a month apart this year and Passover was disputed. We observed the Hillel so as to be in sync and fellowship with our brothers in Jerusalem. (Not saying it is the correct one)

Here is the explanation associated with the Hebrew calendar on my program:


The Hebrew (or Jewish) calendar attempts to simultaneously maintain alignment
between the months and the seasons and synchronise months with the Moon--it is thus
deemed a "luni-solar calendar". In addition, there are constraints on which days of the
week on which a year can begin and to shift otherwise required extra days to prior
years to keep the length of the year within the prescribed bounds. This isn't easy, and
the computations required are correspondingly intricate.
Years are classified as common (normal) or embolismic (leap) years which occur in a
19 year cycle in years 3, 6, 8, 11, 14, 17, and 19. In an embolismic (leap) year, an
extra month of 29 days, "Veadar" or "Adar II", is added to the end of the year after
the month "Adar", which is designated "Adar I" in such years. Further, years may be deficient, regular, or complete, having respectively 353, 354, or 355 days in a
common year and 383, 384, or 385 days in embolismic years. Days are defined as beginning at sunset, and the calendar begins at sunset the night before Monday,
October 7, 3761 B.C.E. in the Julian calendar, or Julian day 347995.5. Days are numbered with Sunday as day 1, through Saturday: day 7.
The average length of a month is 29.530594 days, extremely close to the mean synodic month (time from new Moon to next new Moon) of 29.530588 days. Such
is the accuracy that more than 13,800 years elapse before a single day discrepancy between the calendar's average reckoning of the start of months and the mean
time of the new Moon. Alignment with the solar year is better than the Julian calendar, but inferior to the Gregorian. The average length of a year is 365.2468 days
compared to the actual solar tropical year (time from equinox to equinox) of 365.24219 days, so the calendar accumulates one day of error with respect to the solar
year every 216 years.

[Mikhail]

AH yes the Calendars. This is always a problem. And I have not figured it the other way. However here is the thing. No matter what calendar you use, if you start with one and end with the same one the days come out pretty close, probably within a day or two. This is because we are looking at a span of many years, 38 years and 4 months. And all calendars have to correct to the equinox eventually in their cycle. IF they didn't then our seasons would get out of sync with the events we recognise. And the plants and animals seem to know all this better than we do. We have probably all seen the cherry blossoms come even when the spring remains cold and may even be spitting snow still. Without we didn't reset our calendars to the stars, then we would have Passover in the middle of winter for example. So there are intercalulative months of extra days to correct this and line everything up. So on average all calendars over long periods become 365.24 days. So for the long period you can simply count years by any calendar (like the gregorian) and then for months within one year you must use the 30 days calendar. The computer program I use is a mystery to me as to how it dos all this, but it seems to come out correctly over some pretty long periods, coming to the correct day as well as the correct date. Two things are constant in all calendars, the length of the solar year, Equinox to equinox and the cycles of seven days.

Perhaps you could calculate these spans of time by the Karaite calendar and we can compare.
Most of the issues you mentioned are quite moot because scripture only talks of months and days of each month it seasons etc are all inventions of pagan nations to be blunt.

Yes 14000 days is 14000 days no matter which calender yiou use.
as mentioned in my previouse post it is the 3 day of the sixth month.

I find that God works to his calender and he changes not so when it says that to the day they left Egypt I beleive it.

Daniel discerned by calculation of years that the time was approaching for the fulfillment of the Word of YHWH through the mouth of Jerimiah.

I think that we can get a much better idea from going back to the biblical calender to determine exactly what might be happening it says I do nothing but I announce to my servants the prophets first.

If you give me the days of each month rather just rabbinical and month names then I might be able to work it out.
Shalom,
Mikhail ben Gino

[ShirChadash]

This is interesting too because as I posted a week or so ago, this Oct 4th which is the feast of Trumpets completing the Generation of 14000 days since Jerusalem was regained as a city of Israel.

As a reminder it was 14000 days from the Exodus to the command to re-enter the promised land

It was 14000 days from the death of Messiah to the final destruction of the temple and the removal of the Jews from Jerusalem in 71AD

It is possible that we are in the final generations end, and at the beginning of the Tribulation. Seems that there wold be some tragic kick off for this time of troubles. Could this be it, and on Tisha B'AV yet ?

That's really interesting, Charles, I never saw the 14000's clearly before... :prayer: here... there is definitely much going on.

[Charles YTK]

Mikail,

Just one clarification; The 14000 days in the Exodus is not from the time they lef Egypt until then entered the lnd of Cana. It is the time of Judgement, which is from the exodus on the Passover until the command from God saying that the time of wasting of the men was finished and they were to turn and head toward the promised land. This took place in the 38th year at the brook of Zered on the 15th of AV.