Can the Holocaust happen in North America?

[Mikhail]

Hi All,
Can the Holocaust happen in North America?

My view is a definate yes it a matter of when not if.

Checkout http://www.shuva.net (http://www.shuva.net/) as well

In the last 100 years we have had polgroms in Eastern Europe (late 1800's), then Western Europe called the Holocaust and yet many say that it is impossible to happen in America yet that is exactly what they said in Germany too.

So what is your views?
Shalom,
Mikhail ben Gino

[christinepro]

Hi All,
Can the Holocaust happen in North America?

My view is a definate yes it a matter of when not if.

Checkout http://www.shuva.net (http://www.shuva.net/) as well

In the last 100 years we have had polgroms in Eastern Europe (late 1800's), then Western Europe called the Holocaust and yet many say that it is impossible to happen in America yet that is exactly what they said in Germany too.

So what is your views?
Shalom,
Mikhail ben Gino

Wow!! Talk about a bunch of rednecks on the sites' forums. You'd think they were joking. I can't believe some people have hatred like that. So narrow minded. Swastikas and the whole bit.:scratch: :help: :mad:

[Mikhail]

Wow!! Talk about a bunch of rednecks on the sites' forums. You'd think they were joking. I can't believe some people have hatred like that. So narrow minded. Swastikas and the whole bit.:scratch: :help: :mad:

The dangerous ones are not the ones that tell you thay are pro Nazi but the ones that are closet ones just waiting for the right opportunity to reveal themselves for what they really are. :help:

The scary thing is that it only takes a few to turn a peaceful nation into a raging orgy of human sacrifice as happened on the night of Kystalnacht (broken glass) in germany.

Now when they get hold of the legal process as they did in Germany they did everything by the law because they re wrote the laws that made their unlawful acts lawful that is according to men's laws never according to God's Law - the Written Torah.

If their was a an attack either organised from within or without that took out the President and the Vice President in the one attack do you think that would be enough to change laws in America that have not been changed since the constitution was written?

Now if you can successfully change the foundation of the constitution what you then have is nothing short of the demolition of what the founding fathers put in place.

If that happens, which I beleive it will then it will be a short fuse before the things that we saw in German y would be repeated in America.
Shalom,
Mikhail ben Gino

BS"D

[Wags]

Genocide is still occuring in the world today, so yes it can occur anytime, anywhere.

[Devasha]

Now if you can successfully change the foundation of the constitution what you then have is nothing short of the demolition of what the founding fathers put in place.

This is already happening with judicial tyranny. The judiciary has been running roughshod all over the U.S. Constitution for some time now. :sigh: :(

[Charles YTK]

Money talks, and for a good piece of the US hustory the HJudeo-Christian ethic stood firmly in place, because the founding fathers werebeleivers and prayed over our constitution and bill of rights. The money of the Jewish community was an influence to continue in this way. There were 6.5 million Jews in the US at one time. Today there are about 4 million and most Jews are holding off from having children right away and establishing carriers first and then haing fewer children.

In the same time the Islamists in the US has grow from less than 2 million to over 15 million, and they are mostly wealthy people who have come into the country with money. They buy influence. And lest we forget Islam controls the majority of the worlds Petroleum, and the US is addicted to it at the tune of 20 million barrels a day imported from Opec. There influence reashes the minds f our children.

An example which is happening all over is that a wealthy Arab sends his son to college in the US and makes a sizable gift to the college (Millions of dollars) in exchange for the college adding Islamic studies to the curriculum. And so the sed is planted. Moshes and Islamic centers are poping up all over the US, even though these people are swaorn with a blod oath to kill Christian s and Jews. Islam is the astest growing religion world wide and controls (I believe) the majority religion positon world wide today.

US allies have experienced the same kind of growth.

Incidently The Christian aith is also on a huge decline world wide, with the possible exception of China, and eastern Europe.

So it seems that the world is set for another agressive move against our brothers. Those who control the oil and the money have got control over the wills of men. Except those who place their trust in God. There is God and there is Money.

[christinepro]

How about the Rwandan genocide in 1994. Hmm!! Not much oil there eh? Not much reason to help!!!

[ShirChadash]

it can occur anytime, anywhere.

Yeah, that.

[MyLittleWonders]

First of all, this topic is so depressing because it is so real. I too believe it's just a matter of when ... the times we are living in get a little more scary each day. I just have to keep focusing on the fact that Yeshua has already WON the VICTORY! Until then, all I can say is come soon Lord Yeshua, come soon.

Now, slightly off topic: Zemirah: Where did your eyes go?

Nevermind, they showed up finally ... that was a little freaky. ;)

[CovenantRay]

Shalom:

Man's inhumanity to man continues throughout recorded history. Who is prince of the earth at this time? The children of Israel are HaShem's chosen ones, so therefore it only follows that the "Jews" are at risk. Who is the messiah of the children of Israel -- and those gentiles who accept his free gift? Y'shua of course.

Without the full armor of G-d, we are just flesh with a target on our backs.

Remember my brothers and sisters to be in this world and not of this world.

To justify my position with scripture, please read the following HNV (emphasis mine):


(1Pe 5:6) Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time;

(1Pe 5:7) casting all your worries on him, because he cares for you.

(1Pe 5:8) Be sober and self-controlled. Be watchful. Your adversary the devil, walks around like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

(1Pe 5:9) Withstand him steadfast in your faith, knowing that your brothers who are in the world are undergoing the same sufferings.

(1Pe 5:10) But may the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory by Messiah Yeshua, after you have suffered a little while, perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle you.

(1Pe 5:11) To him be the glory and the power forever and ever. Amein.



In short, I'm with Wags & Zemirah:




Genocide is still occuring in the world today, so yes it can occur anytime, anywhere.


CovenantRay :prayer:

[ShirChadash]

Now, slightly off topic: Zemirah: Where did your eyes go?

Nevermind, they showed up finally ... that was a little freaky. ;)

^_^ I read that, and went... Wha??? My eyes??? OHHHH my EYES LOL!!! :D *chuckle*

[christinepro]

Check this out. http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/08/05/Blair-security-050805.html

[Bon]

How can ANYONE believe that there is no God?

The world is in turmoil...and it ain't gonna get any better.

Just imagine what our life on this planet would be like in another 2000 years time?

What other hope is there, if we do not believe.

At work, the Dad of on of my workmates has to make a decision to have his feet amputated or live in excruciating pain and eventually die from diabetes related vascular disease.

An old friend of my DH has just been diagnosed with throat cancer.

My Mum is losing her eyesight because of diabetes.

My Mother-in-law is fighting a bad flu, which has doctors worried that it may become pneumonia.

My girlfriend is going through depression, dealing with the realisation that her son is autistic.

On and on it goes.....in my personal circle only.

Every person on this planet is expereincing the woes of satan's world.....

So many people view this from an opposing side.........

So much sickness and crime......How can there be a God?

I see it from the view that many here do.....

So much sickness and crime......How can there NOT be a God?

And that is what drives me forward......knowing that there is a better life to come, through my belief in God and my faith in our redemption through Yahshua our Messiah.

Without Yahweh....we are lost....and there is no hope.

Shalom from Bon

PS forgive my melancholy post.....there is a lot of saddness around me at the moment. :(

[christinepro]

How can ANYONE believe that there is no God?

The world is in turmoil...and it ain't gonna get any better.

Just imagine what our life on this planet would be like in another 2000 years time?

What other hope is there, if we do not believe.

At work, the Dad of on of my workmates has to make a decision to have his feet amputated or live in excruciating pain and eventually die from diabetes related vascular disease.

An old friend of my DH has just been diagnosed with throat cancer.

My Mum is losing her eyesight because of diabetes.

My Mother-in-law is fighting a bad flu, which has doctors worried that it may become pneumonia.

My girlfriend is going through depression, dealing with the realisation that her son is autistic.

On and on it goes.....in my personal circle only.

Every person on this planet is expereincing the woes of satan's world.....

So many people view this from an opposing side.........

So much sickness and crime......How can there be a God?

I see it from the view that many here do.....

So much sickness and crime......How can there NOT be a God?

And that is what drives me forward......knowing that there is a better life to come, through my belief in God and my faith in our redemption through Yahshua our Messiah.

Without Yahweh....we are lost....and there is no hope.

Shalom from Bon

PS forgive my melancholy post.....there is a lot of saddness around me at the moment. :(You are exactly right I was just told that I have a cyst on my thyroid and I have to have a biopsy also my favorite uncle just died. We are so mortal. But I like the signs of the change of times. It is so interesting and important. I like to stay tuned. I know that some day we will not have these "whoes".(is that the correct spelling?)

[Mikhail]

Check this out. http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/08/05/Blair-security-050805.html

This is very scary stuff if we take Blair at his word then he is quoted as saying the following:


A new power to order the closure of any place of worship that is used as a centre for fomenting extremism.
This is not in any way whatsoever aimed at the decent, law-abiding Muslim community of Britain
I wonder then who it is aimed at, if preaching the gospel is somehow determined as encouraging extreminism because it upsets the hearer then could one be deported.

What about closure of places of worship?
I have been sensing in my spirit for a fedw years now that the true beleivers will be forced underground in the west.

This I beleive is why the house church movement is growing and if our walk is determined not by a common place of worship then that is a good things because then we will be required to look at who we are and how we are living instead of just were we "park our butts" on each sabbath or sunday.
Shalom,
Mikhail ben Gino

[christinepro]

This is very scary stuff if we take Blair at his word then he is quoted as saying the following:


A new power to order the closure of any place of worship that is used as a centre for fomenting extremism.
This is not in any way whatsoever aimed at the decent, law-abiding Muslim community of Britain
I wonder then who it is aimed at, if preaching the gospel is somehow determined as encouraging extreminism because it upsets the hearer then could one be deported.

What about closure of places of worship?
I have been sensing in my spirit for a fedw years now that the true beleivers will be forced underground in the west.

This I beleive is why the house church movement is growing and if our walk is determined not by a common place of worship then that is a good things because then we will be required to look at who we are and how we are living instead of just were we "park our butts" on each sabbath or sunday.
Shalom,
Mikhail ben Gino You are so right!! Where is Blair going to draw the line? I wonder what he really think is extreme.

[MyLittleWonders]

Check this out. http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/08/05/Blair-security-050805.html

This one:

"Better integration" for people living in Britain who are "presently inadequately integrated."

is rather scary to me ... almost has a ring of one-world thought and one-world religion to it. "Integration" ... in other words, thinkin the same way I do and not deviating from it? :eek:

[visionary]

But do you not see,.. it is for your own good... Yeah right.

[Mikhail]

UK PM's Press Conference - 5 August 2005
"However, the circumstances of our national security have self evidently changed, and we believe we can get the necessary assurances from the countries to which we will return the deportees, against their being subject to torture or ill treatment contrary to Article 3. We have now concluded a Memorandum of Understanding with Jordan, and we are close to getting necessary assurances from other relevant countries."


Hi All,
I was reading through the genreal article on and saw this link to the ful speech and this quote was included.

It rasies the following questions:
1. What specifically has Jordon to do with the subject of Deportees?
2. Who are the relevant countries?

Considering it part of what is the current borders of Jordanan according the the system of this world and this area was the inheritance of Gad, Reuven and the half tribe of Manaseh what significance could this be for end time fulfillment of the words of the Prophets that have yet to come to pass.
Shalom,
Mikhail ben Gino

[Vaneeza Malkah]

Has any messianics ever thought of this about the Jewish holocaust, that the Gypsies (romanes) and others got caught up in the wrath (of the Nazis) as well. That as a messianic believer you are taking a risk as being a member of a synagogue, wearing tzitzit and so on that you are sticking your necks out there and could "fall under the blanket" if you know what I mean.

[Mikhail]

Has any messianics ever thought of this about the Jewish holocaust, that the Gypsies (romanes) and others got caught up in the wrath (of the Nazis) as well. That as a messianic believer you are taking a risk as being a member of a synagogue, wearing tzitzit and so on that you are sticking your necks out there and could "fall under the blanket" if you know what I mean.

I only think about this daily :eek:
This will be the litmus test of those who have truly allowed Torah to be written on our hearts.

When the only food offered to you is not kosher will you eat?
When you are physicaly threatened will you keep the Shabbat?

History shows that when their is persecution the congregations lose 50% of their numbers.

Will this be the time in which God will test us to show us a faithful to those of Yehudah.
Shalom,
Mikhail ben Gino

[CovenantRay]

Has any messianics ever thought of this about the Jewish holocaust, that the Gypsies (romanes) and others got caught up in the wrath (of the Nazis) as well. That as a messianic believer you are taking a risk as being a member of a synagogue, wearing tzitzit and so on that you are sticking your necks out there and could "fall under the blanket" if you know what I mean.

If one grandparent was Jewish, the Nazis would feed you to the fires of the Holocaust. As I am 100% Jewish, I have no doubt....

Please don't forget the 20 million Russians, millions of Poles, homosexuals, dissidents, etc....

...or in other words, "Let us NEVER FORGET!"

CovenantRay :prayer: