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Jenna
31st July 2005, 03:50 PM
My daughter and I attended a new LCMS church this morning. I just thought that I would share my observations. :)


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Normally, our family attends church in a congregation that is a nifty little drive from our house. It's only about 25 minutes on the expressway, but half-broken cars just don't travel well. Ok, so add to that the fact that my husband didn't want to go, and things get even more complicated.


Well, since my dearest husband did not want to get out of bed, I actually left him behind. This morning, DD and I put on our dresses and comfortable shoes, and we walked to a nearby church. Ok, well, the church was kind of nearby. It was about a 3.5 mile round trip. Is it any wonder that DD is zonked out on the couch right now? lol I'm sleepy too. I was fine until DH decided that we needed to watch a movie. ....zzzzzZZZZZZzzzz.....zzzzzzZZZZZZzzzzzz......


Anyway, the church that we went to this morning was another Lutheran church (LCMS). Actually, it is the only one in the area that is within walking distance. We really hustled to get there on time this morning, and I even carried DD part of the way to speed up the process.


I was a little nervous when a note on the door said that worship was going to be held in the Fellowship Hall, only because I had no idea how the building was set up. But, thankfully we were not the last people through the door, so DD and I followed a couple as they made their way into church.


Wow, I'll tell you, things were hugely different. First, there were as many people there for church as we normally have during bible study on Memorial Day Weekend, at my regular church. For our regular church, it doesn't seem like much because there are usually so many people there. Ok, so it still didn't seem like too many people, but it wasn't a bad thing. Here are some of the things that I noticed...


First, the room was plain, with only a few small flower arrangements to soften the atmosphere. Because of the plain room with the white walls, your eyes were readily drawn right to the alter, your attention focused there. Again, not a bad thing. Beside the alter was a standard wooden podium, and that was all.


Out in the seating area, chairs were plain. Some looked as though they were purchased years ago for a fellowship hall. To fill in the gaps, they had plain folding chairs. You would think that maybe this would be a little uncomfortable, except that no one sat very long anyway. DD surely didn't mind her chair, though she used it as a table while she drew on the little booklet that an usher gave her. That was very nice, and it kept her occupied.
Instead of the huge $$$$ sound system that I am used to, we were given simple worship folders, blue hymnals, and a small organ sat at the back of the room. Things definitely were far from flashy, but I believe that was part of the charm, and it did nothing to detract from the experience.


As I looked around, I noticed that the seats were filled mostly with older people. There were a few younger people with a handfull of kids, but the rest were all older folks. One thing that was very strikingly different was that everyone was modestly dressed. The gentlemen looked well-kept, though they were not over-burdened with jackets & ties. Still, each man was well-groomed and presentable. Every woman that I saw was dressed neatly, nothing flashy, but certainly not the lowrider jeans and tanktops that I am used to seeing. All clothing was pretty and respectable. To be honest, I was the most dowdily dressed lady in the room. No one seemed to mind at all though, and I definitely didn't feel bad about the running shoes that were peeking out from under my long skirt. Hey, it's a long walk! lol


The only way that I can really describe the service is....... mass-ish. *laughs* Again, not a bad thing. The pastor was easily distinguishable, as he was wearing a simple robe. I'll admit that maybe he wasn't the most beautiful and flowery speaker in the world, but he made up for it in content. After so many "Christian-lite" services, it was downright refreshing to hear the simply told gospel. The sermon was concise, without being snooze-inducer. The worship folders were full of unrelentingly biblical prayers and confessions. You know, I had never recited the Nicene Creed during a worship service before. That was great.


I will tell you that the only area that I found a little difficult was singing from the blue hymnal. It isn't that I am stuck on sensational praise songs, or have problems with older hymns. Actually, it was the page turning! *laughs* I will have to remember to bring little bookmarks with me from now on, so I can mark my pages before the service begins. It is so frustrating to be flipping pages while everyone else is singing.


One thing that made a huge impression on me was that, I don't think that I have ever been in a service that has had so much prayer incorporated throughout. I wasn't joking when I said that we hardly used our chairs. Whether it was because of the large amount of elderly believers, or the lack of kneelers, we did not kneel today. Instead, everyone stood whenever praying, reciting, hearing the gospel reading, and sometimes while singing. Good. I don't like to just sit back and feel like I'm watching a show anyway.


Communion was definitely different. In our regular church, whole rows of people circle the altar for communion, and then the blessing is said over the whole group. One group returns to their seats, and the next is ushered up. At this other church, a single line is formed for communion. One lay-minister places a communion wafer in your hand and proclaims it the body of Christ. I am used to store-bought flat breads, kind of like pita. The wafers are different, but it doesn't bother me any. Next, you stand before the pastor to recieve the wine, as he proclaims it the blood of Christ, shed for the forgiveness of our sins. He does this over EVERY person, and each person waits patiently in line until their turn comes. There is no rush, like I see in many Catholic parishes. One thing I did notice though, and got a chuckle out of.... the pastor never takes his hands from the cup. At our regular church, lay-ministers will hand you the cup, and take it to clean before handing it to the next person. It was different, to tip the cup while it remained in the pastor's hands. It felt a little weird, but was no big deal. After the pastor was done speaking to me, he reached down and made the sign of the cross on DD's forehead and said a blessing over her.



All in all, the impression that I take away from visiting this church is a pleasant one. Before I went, I had heard some pretty negative comments about how the church is a "dead church", because they do not have the numbers (and therfore- income) of some other churches. While they were right to say that it is a small congregation, I saw two things that really spoke to me.



#1 God's Word was strongly preached, with the fullness of His message. Nothing was watered down, neither lesson from the law, nor salvation by God's grace through faith in the sacrifice of our Lord Jesus. Awesome.



#2 The heart of the people is big. I was not overwhelmed by anyone when we showed up, but was made comfortable. It was shown that they appreciated my worshipping with them.At one point, the lady who was sitting near DD and I, she gave DD her hymnal when she saw that DD was having a hard time finding a firm surface to put her coloring page on. That was so nice of her. After service was completed, an usher came up to me and thanked me for coming, and expressed that they hoped that I would come again. More than his words, his bright smile made me feel welcomed.



So, DD and I have made a date to go again next week. She asked me prettily if I would make her a yellow sun hat, to keep the sun out of her eyes while we walk. We may well be armed with sun hats, or possibly raincoats. But, we will make our walk again next week. We will just have to remember to leave more time for the trip. lol

Lutherrunner
31st July 2005, 04:30 PM
What a beautiful and well told story........

LilLamb219
31st July 2005, 05:36 PM
Yea! I'm glad it was a good service and you were well-fed :)

Jim47
31st July 2005, 06:15 PM
Certainly a heart warming story, well told. Thanks for taking the time to share it with us.


I am so happy to hear you you were touched by your small church worship service. You pretty well described what I have been blessed to have for 50 years. :)

Lutherrunner
31st July 2005, 07:48 PM
after reading this again, and going to my own little church today with about 55 people, I just can't imagine a mega church with all the electronic whiz bang gizmos......

ctay
31st July 2005, 07:50 PM
That is a beautiful story. I'm glad it turned out a good ordeal after walking all that way. I went from a fairly large church to a small one with attendance around 65 a week. The first sunday I went I had people come up to me and introduce themselves and came back after and told me to come back. Even the pastor did this. They don't care who you are, what you wear, if you have money or not, they don't look at that. I've only been going there a few months. They don't have a lot to offer on things to do. I got asked this morning if I'd help in Sunday School, I said yes, also if they get enough people to sign up help, the town the church is in has a depot days and they are going to have a booth set up, I signed up for that plus they are planning if it works out a community cookout, I got asked to help if it works out so I'm pretty excited right now.

Jenna
1st August 2005, 10:52 AM
Well, our regular church isn't a mega-church.... just aspiring to be. The last I heard, they were still trying to raise the money to build a whole new church on the property, and use the "old" one as a separate wedding chapel. That is not including the school that they want to build. Sometimes it just doesn't feel like CHURCH anymore, if you get what I mean. It's just become such a big production all the time. There are times when it is real nice to have all of those sensation triggers tripped, which is why I think so many folks like to go to those big crusades with the contemporary music and everybody dancing at their seats. On some days, that is great. However, it doesn't fit me all the time, and can even go so far as to aggrivating unrest in me when I need a more reflective environment.

I talked with my husband about our experience last night, and he is so far from supportive that it isn't funny. He doesn't mind if I take our daughter with me to this other church, but he isn't interested in going. He says that it is too boring. However, he still makes excuses each week as to why he doesn't want to go to our regular church either. *sigh* So, I guess I am going to be one of those ladies who show up to church each week, but no one knows what her husband looks like. *shrugs*

Hey, at least I'll get some good exercise! *laughs* I read in their bulletin that they have a more contemporary praise service on Wednesday evenings. I think I may go over there this Wednesday to see how they manage things. I might be able to work out a compromise with that goofy man of mine......

SPALATIN
1st August 2005, 11:39 AM
Well, our regular church isn't a mega-church.... just aspiring to be. The last I heard, they were still trying to raise the money to build a whole new church on the property, and use the "old" one as a separate wedding chapel. That is not including the school that they want to build. Sometimes it just doesn't feel like CHURCH anymore, if you get what I mean. It's just become such a big production all the time. There are times when it is real nice to have all of those sensation triggers tripped, which is why I think so many folks like to go to those big crusades with the contemporary music and everybody dancing at their seats. On some days, that is great. However, it doesn't fit me all the time, and can even go so far as to aggrivating unrest in me when I need a more reflective environment.

I talked with my husband about our experience last night, and he is so far from supportive that it isn't funny. He doesn't mind if I take our daughter with me to this other church, but he isn't interested in going. He says that it is too boring. However, he still makes excuses each week as to why he doesn't want to go to our regular church either. *sigh* So, I guess I am going to be one of those ladies who show up to church each week, but no one knows what her husband looks like. *shrugs*

Hey, at least I'll get some good exercise! *laughs* I read in their bulletin that they have a more contemporary praise service on Wednesday evenings. I think I may go over there this Wednesday to see how they manage things. I might be able to work out a compromise with that goofy man of mine......

The church you experienced isn't into all the Church-growth trappings that your regular church is using. The place you should be on sunday is where you visited yesterday. They have given you everything you need at that service and that is the Gospel proclaimed to a dying sinful world.

Nota Bene: The very thing that Jenna said about all the page turning in the liturgy with LW is one of the things keeping my wife from being enthusiastic about worshipping like that all the time. She wants a dynamic speaker and contemporary songs.

Good idea to bring bookmarkers and find the pages you need prior to the service start. I usually use the church bulletin and it's inserts as markers and even some churches have resorted to having the service all printed out so that page turning is moot.

ctay
1st August 2005, 01:33 PM
Your not alone, my husband won't go with me either. I figure if I keep going and get more involved, maybe he'll wake up one day. The first day I showed up in this church, they didn't ask if I was married so the only sunday he did go with me to church, there's no telling what they thought.

SPALATIN
1st August 2005, 02:59 PM
Your not alone, my husband won't go with me either. I figure if I keep going and get more involved, maybe he'll wake up one day. The first day I showed up in this church, they didn't ask if I was married so the only sunday he did go with me to church, there's no telling what they thought.

Do you wear a wedding band? They may not have needed to ask you if they saw one.

ctay
1st August 2005, 03:39 PM
I can't get them on anymore and if I took them to get them stretch to fit the bands will most likely break. No one ever asked if we were married or not. I guess they assumed we were and didn't want to be nosy

Lutherrunner
1st August 2005, 05:23 PM
Good idea to bring bookmarkers and find the pages you need prior to the service start. I usually use the church bulletin and it's inserts as markers and even some churches have resorted to having the service all printed out so that page turning is moot.

There must be a study somewhere, but I would bet that Lutherans have a pretty darn good literacy rate due to all of our page turning, and reading, and referencing practice......in fact, that must be what's wrong with the test scores these days....all those dang kids are used to looking up at projector screens and singing repetitive praise songs with a limited vocabulary!....;)

Jenna
1st August 2005, 11:39 PM
You know, I tried to use the bulletin that they gave me. It had an insert, but that only covers 2 songs! *laughs* Rut roh, gots to go. Monday night is "Headlines" on Leno! *scampers off*


Oh.......... and thankfully I can wear my wedding ring again. I used to break out in a really bad rash for some reason. But, at least folks understand that I am married, just in case I show up with a strange guy some day. *chuckles*

SPALATIN
3rd August 2005, 08:42 AM
You know, I tried to use the bulletin that they gave me. It had an insert, but that only covers 2 songs! *laughs* Rut roh, gots to go. Monday night is "Headlines" on Leno! *scampers off*

Never been a real Leno fan. His monologue is too stiff for me. I am more a fan of the Letterman.


Oh.......... and thankfully I can wear my wedding ring again. I used to break out in a really bad rash for some reason. But, at least folks understand that I am married, just in case I show up with a strange guy some day. *chuckles*

I only take mine off to clean it now and again. My ring finger has a nice crease in it. Even if I took it off for a while I would be able to see where I had one.

Protoevangel
3rd August 2005, 11:34 AM
Oh.......... and thankfully I can wear my wedding ring again. I used to break out in a really bad rash for some reason. But, at least folks understand that I am married, just in case I show up with a strange guy some day. *chuckles*
I get little micro-blisters on the sides of my fingers when I wear rings. It is frustrating, because I want to wear my wedding band. When we can afford to, we may try buying another one. Do they have anything like hypo-allergenic rings? ^_^

SPALATIN
3rd August 2005, 11:47 AM
I get little micro-blisters on the sides of my fingers when I wear rings. It is frustrating, because I want to wear my wedding band. When we can afford to, we may try buying another one. Do they have anything like hypo-allergenic rings? ^_^

The same problem my wife has with earings. If they are not pure gold she will break out. Our wedding bands are pure gold. She often doesn't wear hers because she had the diamond from her engagement ring put on her wedding band and it often scratches me or the kids.

Are your wedding bands pure gold or are they a metallurgical mix?

Protoevangel
3rd August 2005, 12:06 PM
I don't remember (we bought it ~14 years ago). More than likely a mix; we were even more poor then, than we are now.

SPALATIN
3rd August 2005, 12:25 PM
I don't remember (we bought it ~14 years ago). More than likely a mix; we were even more poor then, than we are now.

Define Poor. :D

PurpleBunny
3rd August 2005, 01:52 PM
I get little micro-blisters on the sides of my fingers when I wear rings. It is frustrating, because I want to wear my wedding band. When we can afford to, we may try buying another one. Do they have anything like hypo-allergenic rings? ^_^

I think platinum might be hypoallergenic. Don't quote me on that,though!

My wedding band doesn't fit me properly right now as I retain a lot of water in the summer and actually go up a full ring size from what I wear in the winter. My ring was almost too big when we bought it in the winter!

This coming Sunday I'll start my church hopping to find a home here in Edmonton. I think I'll probably end up back at the one I attended when I was in college.

Protoevangel
3rd August 2005, 01:58 PM
Define Poor. :D
Taking care of two on $7.00/hr, in a tiny, rundown, leaky, dry-rotted trailer, a barely-running old chevy chevette for a car, and a really old donated 8086 for a computer. Always had food to eat, but often that was potatos, rice, peanut butter and Amish friendship bread. Poor, not destitute. A lot of good times actually.

SPALATIN
3rd August 2005, 02:21 PM
Taking care of two on $7.00/hr, in a tiny, rundown, leaky, dry-rotted trailer, a barely-running old chevy chevette for a car, and a really old donated 8086 for a computer. Always had food to eat, but often that was potatos, rice, peanut butter and Amish friendship bread. Poor, not destitute. A lot of good times actually.

You had an XT? Wow which door in your house does it act as a doorstop? ;)

Ok I have never been that poor, but it sometimes seems like it.

LilLamb219
3rd August 2005, 05:10 PM
I get little micro-blisters on the sides of my fingers when I wear rings. It is frustrating, because I want to wear my wedding band. When we can afford to, we may try buying another one. Do they have anything like hypo-allergenic rings?

You might be allergic to nickel? That's what happens to me when the metals I wear contain nickel. I have to look for nickel-free jewelry and wear titanium frames for me eyeglasses.

night2day
4th August 2005, 05:42 AM
...Before I went, I had heard some pretty negative comments about how the church is a "dead church", because they do not have the numbers (and therfore- income) of some other churches. While they were right to say that it is a small congregation, I saw two things that really spoke to me.

#1 God's Word was strongly preached, with the fullness of His message. Nothing was watered down, neither lesson from the law, nor salvation by God's grace through faith in the sacrifice of our Lord Jesus. Awesome.

#2 The heart of the people is big. I was not overwhelmed by anyone when we showed up, but was made comfortable. It was shown that they appreciated my worshipping with them...

The ones who say every small church congergation is a dead church aren't focusing on Who's standards they should be going by. I thought it was Jesus Christ who set the standards for His church in the first place. :)

#2 is always a big plus. The church is a hospital for sinners though. So there may be bumps along the way here and there. Living in this world...it has to be expected. We're all sinners. It's only by God's grace believer's in Christ are also saints at the same time.

ctay
4th August 2005, 12:37 PM
The church I go to now made me feel welcomed. I had people come up introduced themselves and shook my hand, had a couple of them hug my neck.

ctobola
5th August 2005, 09:52 AM
Check with your local electronics store for 'heat shrink' tubing. You can put it on the bows of your glasses and then use a match or hairdryer to shrink the tubing tight. Great little trick if you're allergic to metals, like me.

Also, I find that gold and silver jewelry are generally no problem for people with metal/nickel allergies.

Best wishes! -c

You might be allergic to nickel? That's what happens to me when the metals I wear contain nickel. I have to look for nickel-free jewelry and wear titanium frames for me eyeglasses.

Protoevangel
5th August 2005, 11:17 AM
LilLamb219 & ctobola, Thanks for the ideas!

ILoveYeshua
18th April 2006, 05:53 AM
cool story. yea those are some big reasons i like the lcms services, they definitely dont water down the message.