Possible Prophetic Window

[Charles YTK]

We are living in times when it is possible that the final events of history will begin. As has been shown in another thread, the Jews are moving back to Israel in huge numbers and soon Israel will become the largest single Jewish community. I know Islam hates this. Look how the land has blossomed since Israel returned. God is blessing the land and the people. This began when Israel became an independent state again in 1948. Something else happened that year that was prophetic. And it has to do with the peoples hearts turning back to God and his Torah, and the Gentiles also turning to Torah. That sequence was started when the dead sea scrolls were found. And new surg of interest in the history of the Jews and the Torah came about. The result was the beginning of the Modern Messianic movement where Jews and Gentiles are joined as one body under Messiah and are obedient to Gods Torah. The Jewish people are comming to faith in Yeshua in numbers like never since that first Pentecost of the Church. The law is being written on peoples hearts. All these relate to Jer 31 and Ez 37 and Deut 30 especially.

Now here is another thing that I have been watching for some time. In the olivet discourse Yeshua says that when certain end times events begin to take place that those in Judea should flee to the mountains. This had a fullfillment in 70 and 71 AD but also has a connection to the end of days. Yeshua said the Generation that sees all these things will not pass away before all things are completed.

So what is a generation? I believe it is 14000 days, which is 38 years and 4 months on the Hebrew calendar. Here is why.

From the exodus Passover to the order to turn at the river and enter the promised land was 14000 days, a generation. The time of the wanderings and Israel's punishement was ended.

From the Passover of the crusifixion to the final destruction of Jerusalem in 71 AD when the Jews were expelled from the ruined city, was 14000 days. A generation.

Now if these are the last days, it is connected with Jerusalem, Gods city being in Jewish hands. That took place at the beginning of the 6 days war on June 5th 1967. If we add a generation of 14000 days it brings us to Oct 4, 2005 which is Tishri 1, the day of trumpets, also known as the last trumpet.

Most analysts believe that we are on the brink of an all out Islamic Jihad, and with the bombings in England, the U.S. giving its support to England, this could escalate in a big hury.

So what I see is the real possibilty of the tribulation beginning on OCT 4th. or there about. I am not speaking as a prophet, only as a student of the bible and I find this pattern intersting and something to be aware of.

Charles

[Mikhail]

We are living in times when it is possible that the final events of history will begin. As has been shown in another thread, the Jews are moving back to Israel in huge numbers and soon Israel will become the largest single Jewish community. I know Islam hates this. Look how the land has blossomed since Israel returned. God is blessing the land and the people. This began when Israel became an independent state again in 1948. Something else happened that year that was prophetic. And it has to do with the peoples hearts turning back to God and his Torah, and the Gentiles also turning to Torah. That sequence was started when the dead sea scrolls were found. And new surg of interest in the history of the Jews and the Torah came about. The result was the beginning of the Modern Messianic movement where Jews and Gentiles are joined as one body under Messiah and are obedient to Gods Torah. The Jewish people are comming to faith in Yeshua in numbers like never since that first Pentecost of the Church. The law is being written on peoples hearts. All these relate to Jer 31 and Ez 37 and Deut 30 especially.

Now here is another thing that I have been watching for some time. In the olivet discourse Yeshua says that when certain end times events begin to take place that those in Judea should flee to the mountains. This had a fullfillment in 70 and 71 AD but also has a connection to the end of days. Yeshua said the Generation that sees all these things will not pass away before all things are completed.

So what is a generation? I believe it is 14000 days, which is 38 years and 4 months on the Hebrew calendar. Here is why.

From the exodus Passover to the order to turn at the river and enter the promised land was 14000 days, a generation. The time of the wanderings and Israel's punishement was ended.

From the Passover of the crusifixion to the final destruction of Jerusalem in 71 AD when the Jews were expelled from the ruined city, was 14000 days. A generation.

Now if these are the last days, it is connected with Jerusalem, Gods city being in Jewish hands. That took place at the beginning of the 6 days war on June 5th 1967. If we add a generation of 14000 days it brings us to Oct 4, 2005 which is Tishri 1, the day of trumpets, also known as the last trumpet.

Most analysts believe that we are on the brink of an all out Islamic Jihad, and with the bombings in England, the U.S. giving its support to England, this could escalate in a big hury.

So what I see is the real possibilty of the tribulation beginning on OCT 4th. or there about. I am not speaking as a prophet, only as a student of the bible and I find this pattern intersting and something to be aware of.

Charles

Hi Charles,
I agree that their is some ig things happening but the Governments of this world are desparateley trying to kep a lid on things via their control of th e way the Media is reporting things.

Take the bombings in England the way the media handlesd it was if it was a train accident not an attack on British soil. From various reparts it is clear that Hamas was/is part of this so they reward the attacks with Billion dollar bonus or was it more a case of paying off Hamas to not attack in the west for a while???

Clearly more questions than answers.

I think based on world events and the fact that through the course of history Jews have always been told where they can and cannot live that it is not unreasonable to expect that we will see this happen again in our days.

This of course always occurs when Jews become very secular as they have in America which is why I beleive the next great persecution will occur there.

I pray that instead of being Massacared as they where in WWII that instead they will return back to the land of Israel.

But then I could be totally wrong in which case I just get to laugh at myself whreas if I am right then that is a very serious matter indeed.

The Messianic movement has only recently reached the 250,000 number that it was in the 1930's is this the trigger point for the evil one when he tries to annihalite them in the 1930's majority of Messianics where in Europe from what I am told whereas today most are in the United States, a very sobering thought indeed.
Shalom,
Mikhail ben Gino

[MyZz]

That is very very interesting charles...there certainly seems to be an expectancy in the air but sometimes I wonder if its not just my wishful thinking..as I watch the news each day itis obvious that islam is spreading her errors throughout the whole world and things are speeding up..every day almost there is a mention of either terrorism or natural disasters..the weather is also weird throughout the whole world it seems,which leads me to think about the signs in the sky verse...we are living in exciting times..

[visionary]

Interesting thought on the Oct 4th. We have discussed on this forum about 70 years from 1948 which is 2018. We have discussed the end of age vis astronomy which is 2012. Then there is meteor stricks, where the government is today practicing to divert, so one of them out there that they are not reporting as high on the alert is "TOP SECRET" "high on the alert" list. Various astroids out there have been brought up on the forum and they range from 2012, 2018, 2022, and 2029 that I cana think of. So from the examples that are presented we know that the time is nigh. For never before in history can we look at so many different types of prophecies and see possibilities.

[Henaynei]

Can you provide documentation to support this, or how you determined this?From the exodus Passover to the order to turn at the river and enter the promised land was 14000 days, a generation. The time of the wanderings and Israel's punishement was ended.

[Charles YTK]

Can you provide documentation to support this, or how you determined this?

Sure.

We know that the exodus took place on Nisan 14th. and we know that the people went into the desert and wandered there until all the men 19 years and older were dead, because they were all of fighting age. This marks the time of the judgement of wilderness.




DT 2: [13] Now rise up, said I, and get you over the brook Zered. And we went over the brook Zered. [14] And the space in which we came from Kadesh-barnea, until we were come over the brook Zered, was thirty and eight years; until all the generation of the men of war were wasted out from among the host, as the LORD sware unto them. [15] For indeed the hand of the LORD was against them, to destroy them from among the host, until they were consumed.

The scriptures do not give us the day of this order to enter the promised land, but there is a Jewish festival which has always marked the day. During the wanderings, the people could not marry outside of their own tribal group. When the curse was lifted they were allowed to marry between tribes. This was received with great joy as it opened up a lot more possibilities for good marriages.

In celebration of this event in the years that followed, the marriagable women dressed up in white dresses on Tu B'Av (15th of Av) and they danced and sang songs in the vinyards. The men who were looking for brides would
come and select those they wanted and a match was made. It is still done today in Israel. Remember that this all takes place on the aniversary of the command to turn and enter into the promised land.



In preparation for the dancing, the woman are to wear white dresses. Now what I found out was that the dresses had to be borrowed. None could wear their own gowns. The Spiritual application of all this is that the bride must
be prepared in righteousness,(white gown) but it is not their own, it comes from another. Our righteousness comes from another, Yeshua and is sort of Borrowed from Him, until we are glorified and set free from the flesh at the marriage of the lamb.

Now another intersting point is that even if the dress had been cleaned and stored in a chest, it still had to be immersed. All the Gowns have to be freshly immersed, washed, baptised. So before the celebration begins, there
is only absolute purity. This is the cleaning the Church receives by the washing of the word, and perhaps our glorification when the last of our sinful flesh is removed. As the women dance they sing. First the pretty ones among the maidens would say "Regard but beauty alone for
women were made for beauty".

I think this represents the beauty of Holiness. Cetainly as the church is glorified, its holiness will become it's
beauty.


And the Women of good family would say, "Rather look to good Family for women are made to bear children",

I think this speaks of the stability of faith. Those who are faithful are strong as one set upon a rock.

And the less favored maidens who were lacking in beauty and good family would say,"Make your selections only
for the Glory of heaven, but provide liberally for us." I think this speaks of wisdom, and humility and justice,and
mercy, things that God looks for in all His people. Be assured, eventually all the brides were selected for marraige. All of this seems to be a picture of the
preparation of the bride of Yeshua.

[Henaynei]

I appreciate your approach and the background you have given, however I have to say that G-d said it would be and was 40 years, not 38 + a few days ;) I would not be inclined to use one of the festivals that were not ordained by HaShem as a calendar mark - additionally the assumption is that the first such celebration was *before* they went into the Land instead of *after* they had secured the land ;) JMPOV :)

[Charles YTK]

I appreciate your approach and the background you have given, however I have to say that G-d said it would be and was 40 years, not 38 + a few days ;) I would not be inclined to use one of the festivals that were not ordained by HaShem as a calendar mark - additionally the assumption is that the first such celebration was *before* they went into the Land instead of *after* they had secured the land ;) JMPOV :)

Hen,

The passage that tells them to turn at the river zered and to head toward the promised land is also Gods word. I did not make that up. But you have to consider that it was at that time that God says the time of waisting was complete and the curse lifted. They may have had to travel so time to get to that brook, and then turn and travel further to the Yarden and cross and set camp and make sacrifices. id that take the rest of the time up to the 40 years? Maybe.

Here is the thing Judgement is decreed by God and then executed as he sees fit. For example in the flood of Noach, God says "I will not contend with mankind forever for he is flesh. His days shall be 120 years". What does this mean? Does it mean that the max life span of humans is limited to 120 years? No because people lived longer than 120 after the flood. What it means is that judgment was decreed but would not be exectued for 120 years providing a period of grace for Noach to have sons to help him, to build the ark, to gather the animals and the food. Noach is 500 years old and has no children when God says that he is going to destroy the earth. Noach is 620 years old and has grown sons who are married when the flood actually comes.

In the exodus, God says in the 38th year (and 4 months) that the time of waisting out the sons of Israel was complete and he orders them to enter the lands of Israel.

By the way do you know the story of Tisha B Av. It was when the spies went into the lands and brought back an ill report. And later the first temple is destroyed on Tisha B Av and the second temple too on that day and many more terrible things. But did you know that according to Jewish tradition for the 38 years in the wilderness on the Tisha B Av the lord himself would waist out 25000 of the sons of Israel.? Think about it. Look at the senus before they start their wanderings and count how many had to die to waist out all those 19 years old or more. And remember that they stayed healthy, and their shoes didn't wear out nor their strength fail them. God "took them" each year according to their tradition. Then suddenly in the 38th year, on Tisha bAV it didn't happen, no one died. And on the 15th the Lord speaks to them and says their time is up, their punishment over and they are to head for the promised land.

You said you would not use a festival that was not ordained by HaShem. Did you realize that Yeshua celebrated Chanucha, the festival of lights, and it is believed by some that he observe Purim as well. He certainly had no problem with Jewish traditons, as we see that he drank wine with Passover which is a Rabbinical tradition and not a commandment. He ate the passover reclining and not standing also a Rabbinical tradition. In one passage it mentions "Another feast of the Jews" which has always remained unnamed. However there is a clue. It was at this time that yeshua heals a man at the well who had been sick for 38 years. Might this point to the festival that was taking place then, which celebrates the release from the curse of the wandering in the wilderness for 38 years.

There are other differences that are more confusing like the difference in two accounts of the time of bondage in Egypt, one calls it 400 years and the other 430 years. Which one is correct?

Charles

[visionary]

We will just have to put Oct 4 on our calendar's list... as see what happens. Is there anything in particular that would be tied to this day in prophectic fulfillments that we should be on the look out for?