Nazarite Vow for Today

[Mikhail]

Hi All,
Is it applicable/allowable to do a Nazarite Vow for today?
What about in the context of the teachings of Yeshua and his Talmidim of the
1st century?
I have been a Nazarite for over 12 Months now already.
Shalom,
Mikhail ben Gino

[Hungree]

Hi All,
Is it applicable/allowable to do a Nazarite Vow for today?
What about in the context of the teachings of Yeshua and his Talmidim of the
1st century?
I have been a Nazarite for over 12 Months now already.
Shalom,
Mikhail ben Gino
That's an awesome question. I am looking forward to the answers.

[Henaynei]

unless/until the Temple AND the Priesthood are reinstated anyone who takes on a Nazarite Vow MUST remain in the vow for the rest of their life..... scripture says it is better to never take a vow to G-d than to take one and violate it ..... this vow should never be taken without deep and lengthy and well-councelled consideration...

[Charles YTK]

Hen is correct, spot on. The Nazzarite vow requires a number of sacrifices to be made.
So you should not enter a vow and I believe a nazzarite vow is really not possible at this time. It is still possible to make a personal vow say to pray for so many days in a certain way, or to do some special Mitzot. But it is better to let your vows be limited and simple or none at all rather than break them. Good advice Hen.

[Bruce101]

The vow cannot be taken at this time. The Temple must be standing and you must be in Jerusalem to take it. There are several requirements that can not be met at this time.
Bruce

[Bananna]

I know making a vow to God can be done anywhere and at anytime. God alone we are accountable to, but to make a rash vow is not good.

While custom may have many traditions associated with the Nazarite vow, really in scripture all I have read is to make a vow.

Also in terms of sacrifice. Well there is no temple. But neither was there a temple in the time of Cain and Able, nor in the time of Noah, Nor in the time of Abraham. Not for Moses. then we have the Tabernacle.
Cast lots and go to the place of God's choosing and do your vow. JMO
And if you are finished, then take and do according to the Lord's instruction.

Since God asked us not to cut Kadeshes hair but did not put any other stipulation on us, maybe that is enough, but as I learn I feel oblagated to obey all I learn. Kadesh will be at least very familiar with the requirements by the time he reaches 16.

bananna

[visionary]

Hi All,
Is it applicable/allowable to do a Nazarite Vow for today?
What about in the context of the teachings of Yeshua and his Talmidim of the
1st century?
I have been a Nazarite for over 12 Months now already.
Shalom,
Mikhail ben GinoDue to the restrictions given, I would like to hear your nazarite vow that you have kept for the last twelve months. It will be special because it is between you and the Lord.

[Mikhail]

Hen is correct, spot on. The Nazzarite vow requires a number of sacrifices to be made.
So you should not enter a vow and I believe a nazzarite vow is really not possible at this time. It is still possible to make a personal vow say to pray for so many days in a certain way, or to do some special Mitzot. But it is better to let your vows be limited and simple or none at all rather than break them. Good advice Hen.

The issue seems to be not whether it is permissable or not to enter the vow but how to end the vow. Lot's of opinions but no scriptures to back it up.

Act 18:18 Sha'ul, having stayed after this many more days, took his leave of the brothers, and sailed from there for Syria, together with Priscilla and Aquila. He shaved his head in Cenchreae, for he had a vow.

Based on this it seems to me that Paul ended his vow in Cenchreae which is in Greece. And there is very little doubt that this was a nazarite vow that he ended.

I look forward to all your thoughts.
Shalom,
Mikhail ben Gino

[Charles YTK]

The Nazzarite vow which involved obstaining from wine and not cutting your hair and maintaining ritual ourity fior a length of time was ended when the prescribed time was complete and the sacrifices associated with cleansing were made.

"This is the torah of the nazir on the day when the period of his vow is completed. He is to be brought to the entrance of the Tent of Meeting and is to present his offering to Adonai: a yearling male lamb without blemish as a burnt offering, a yearling ewe without blemish as a sin offering, a ram without blemish as a peace offering, a basket of matzah, loaves of fine flour mixed with oil, matzah spread with oil, and their grain offering and drink offerings." (Numbers 6:13–15)

There is also a provision under the Oral Torah that if a vow is broken before its time that the Rabbii can witness the breaking of the vow and the vow maker receives 40 lashes. (At least in connection with a woman Nazirite)

I will post again when I get some details for you.

Here is the entire passage on Nazirite:

Num 6:1And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When either man or woman shall separate themselves to vow a vow of a Nazarite, to separate themselves unto the LORD: 3He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried. 4All the days of his separation shall he eat nothing that is made of the vine tree, from the kernels even to the husk. 5All the days of the vow of his separation there shall no razor come upon his head: until the days be fulfilled, in the which he separateth himself unto the LORD, he shall be holy, and shall let the locks of the hair of his head grow. 6All the days that he separateth himself unto the LORD he shall come at no dead body. 7He shall not make himself unclean for his father, or for his mother, for his brother, or for his sister, when they die: because the consecration of his God is upon his head. 8All the days of his separation he is holy unto the LORD. 9And if any man die very suddenly by him, and he hath defiled the head of his consecration; then he shall shave his head in the day of his cleansing, on the seventh day shall he shave it. 10And on the eighth day he shall bring two turtles, or two young pigeons, to the priest, to the door of the tabernacle of the congregation: 11And the priest shall offer the one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering, and make an atonement for him, for that he sinned by the dead, and shall hallow his head that same day. 12And he shall consecrate unto the LORD the days of his separation, and shall bring a lamb of the first year for a trespass offering: but the days that were before shall be lost, because his separation was defiled. 13And this is the law of the Nazarite, when the days of his separation are fulfilled: he shall be brought unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation: 14And he shall offer his offering unto the LORD, one he lamb of the first year without blemish for a burnt offering, and one ewe lamb of the first year without blemish for a sin offering, and one ram without blemish for peace offerings, 15And a basket of unleavened bread, cakes of fine flour mingled with oil, and wafers of unleavened bread anointed with oil, and their meat offering, and their drink offerings. 16And the priest shall bring them before the LORD, and shall offer his sin offering, and his burnt offering: 17And he shall offer the ram for a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the LORD, with the basket of unleavened bread: the priest shall offer also his meat offering, and his drink offering. 18And the Nazarite shall shave the head of his separation at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and shall take the hair of the head of his separation, and put it in the fire which is under the sacrifice of the peace offerings. 19And the priest shall take the sodden shoulder of the ram, and one unleavened cake out of the basket, and one unleavened wafer, and shall put them upon the hands of the Nazarite, after the hair of his separation is shaven: 20And the priest shall wave them for a wave offering before the LORD: this is holy for the priest, with the wave breast and heave shoulder: and after that the Nazarite may drink wine. 21This is the law of the Nazarite who hath vowed, and of his offering unto the LORD for his separation, beside that that his hand shall get: according to the vow which he vowed, so he must do after the law of his separation.

[visionary]

If a person vows not to do something until they have accomplished something else would that consitute as a godly vow? example.... If let's say that a perwson says that they will not come home until they have found the children lost.

[Charles YTK]

If a person vows not to do something until they have accomplished something else would that consitute as a godly vow? example.... If let's say that a perwson says that they will not come home until they have found the children lost.

That would be a vow.If you were to saw, "Before God I shall not return untill I have found the Children" then it is a vow before God (as I understand it). In the days of Yeshua making a vow was so overused that it had lost all meaning. It was sort of an oral contract that if one vowed then their credit was good their word trustworthy. But it wasn't always because people were making vows on everything, the temple the altar the gold of the temple. (Their mothers life, you have heard this) and then it would not be done. Therefore it is better not to make a vow at all and just say, "I will go and look for the Children" or "I will do what you ask" with no vow.

[Mikhail]

The Nazzarite vow which involved obstaining from wine and not cutting your hair and maintaining ritual ourity fior a length of time was ended when the prescribed time was complete and the sacrifices associated with cleansing were made.

"This is the torah of the nazir on the day when the period of his vow is completed. He is to be brought to the entrance of the Tent of Meeting and is to present his offering to Adonai: a yearling male lamb without blemish as a burnt offering, a yearling ewe without blemish as a sin offering, a ram without blemish as a peace offering, a basket of matzah, loaves of fine flour mixed with oil, matzah spread with oil, and their grain offering and drink offerings." (Numbers 6:13–15)

There is also a provision under the Oral Torah that if a vow is broken before its time that the Rabbii can witness the breaking of the vow and the vow maker receives 40 lashes. (At least in connection with a woman Nazirite)



Hi Charles,
Considering that I do not submit to Pastoral Church Halacha (Doctrine of the Nicolations and Lording it over the Brethren) let alone Rabbinical Oral Halacha then the ability for a Rabbi to say anything is a moot point.
I find the Talmud and Rabbinical writings useful to understand but in no means binding upon me.

Considering that the period of my vow is likely to extend for quite awhile yet this is useful banter and who knows by the time that I finish their could well be a Temple in place.
Shalom,
Mikhail ben Gino

[Henaynei]

I know making a vow to God can be done anywhere and at anytime. God alone we are accountable to, but to make a rash vow is not good. a vow, perhaps - a Nazarite vow is not any vow...

While custom may have many traditions associated with the Nazarite vow, really in scripture all I have read is to make a vow. Let me share some scripture related to the Nazarite vow:





Numbers (B'midbar) 6:1-21 1 ADONAI said to Moshe, 2 "Tell the people of Isra'el, 'When either a man or a woman makes a special kind of vow, the vow of a nazir, consecrating himself to ADONAI;








this is not any vow - it is a "special kind of vow; consecrating himself to ADONI"









3 he is to abstain from wine and other intoxicating liquor, he is not to drink vinegar from either source, he is not to drink grape juice, and he is not to eat grapes or raisins. 4 As long as he remains a nazir he is to eat nothing derived from the grapevine, not even the grape-skins or the seeds. 5 "'Throughout the period of his vow as a nazir, he is not to shave his head. Until the end of the time for which he has consecrated himself to ADONAI he is to be holy: he is to let the hair on his head grow long. 6 "'Throughout the period for which he has consecrated himself to ADONAI, he is not to approach a corpse. 7 He is not to make himself unclean for his father, mother, brother or sister when they die, since his consecration to God is on his head.








the nazir may not drink ANY intoxicating liquor or vinegar made from such liquor; may eat nothing that comes from grapes; may not make himself unclean with the dead, even those a Levite is allow to attend









8 Throughout the time of his being a nazir he is holy for ADONAI. 9 "'If someone next to him dies very suddenly, so that he defiles his consecrated head, then he is to shave his head on the day of his purification; he is to shave it on the seventh day. 10 On the eighth day he is to bring two doves or two young pigeons to the cohen at the entrance to the tent of meeting. 11 The cohen is to prepare one as a sin offering and the other as a burnt offering and thus make atonement for him, inasmuch as he sinned because of the dead person. That same day he is to re-consecrate his head; 12 he is to consecrate to ADONAI the full period of his being a nazir by bringing a male lamb in its first year as a guilt offering. The previous days will not be counted, because his consecration became defiled.








the reason to shave ones head before the ending of the vow is when one has become defiled accidentally - for that defilement one is to make the above sacrifices but this does not include burning the hair since the hair is defiled - then the period of the vow must be restarted, the previous days are not counted as they are defiled.....









13 "'This is the law for the nazir when his period of consecration is over: he is to be brought to the entrance of the tent of meeting, 14 where he will present his offering to ADONAI - one male lamb in its first year without defect as a burnt offering, one female lamb in its first year without defect as a sin offering, one ram without defect as peace offerings, 15 a basket of matzah, loaves made of fine flour mixed with olive oil, unleavened wafers spread with olive oil, their grain offering and their drink offerings. 16 The cohen is to bring them before ADONAI, offer his sin offering, his burnt offering, 17 and his ram as a sacrifice of peace offerings to ADONAI, with the basket of matzah. The cohen will also offer the grain offering and drink offering that go with the peace offering. 18 The nazir will shave his consecrated head at the entrance to the tent of meeting, take the hair removed from his consecrated head and put it on the fire under the sacrifice of peace offerings. 19 When the ram has been boiled, the cohen is to take its shoulder, one loaf of matzah from the basket and one unleavened wafer, and place them in the hands of the nazir, after he has shaved his consecrated head. 20 The cohen is to wave them as a wave offering before ADONAI; this is set aside for the cohen, along with the breast for waving and the raised-up thigh. Following that, the nazir may drink wine. 21 "'This is the law for the nazir who makes a vow and for his offering to ADONAI for his being a nazir - in addition to anything more for which he has sufficient means. In keeping with whatever vow he makes, he must do it according to the law for the nazir.'"








The red areas are required to end an undefiled vow.





Also in terms of sacrifice. Well there is no temple. But neither was there a temple in the time of Cain and Able, nor in the time of Noah, Nor in the time of Abraham. Not for Moses. then we have the Tabernacle. None of these had on them a Nazarite vow, there was no such thing until Torah. Once Torah was given the ONLY acceptable place for sacrifice is where HaShem "placed his name" - i.e. G-d's House (note: NOT a "house of G-d"). If other places were acceptable then the Jewish people would have sought out those places when exiled to Babylon and when exiled by the Romans - instead of the entire nation lamenting, in nearly every prayer for the last 2000 years, the loss of the Temple and spending countless prayers for it's restoration...


The existence of the place to make sacrifices in obedience to G-d's requirement is paramount and the heart and soul of Judaism, if there were another correct place to make those sacrifices Judaism WOULD have been doing that instead of crying out for it for the last 2000 years.

Cast lots and go to the place of God's choosing and do your vow. JMO
And if you are finished, then take and do according to the Lord's instruction. You can't mix G-d's instructions with "JMO" - G-d never told us to cast lots to determine where to obey Him, He gave us specific instructions on where acceptable sacrifice is to be made.

Since God asked us not to cut Kadeshes hair but did not put any other stipulation on us, maybe that is enough, but as I learn I feel obligated to obey all I learn. Kadesh will be at least very familiar with the requirements by the time he reaches 16.

bananna When Samson violated his Nazir vow (drank wine, defiled himself with a corpse and allowed his hair to be cut), a vow G-d told his parents to put on him, it cost him his life.


Putting this special vow on an unborn child, to lay such responsibility and burden on a child can be very dangerous to that child.

How much more in today's world (than in Samson's world where an entire nation supported Torah) are the pressures and temptations to surrender the vow? Is one to suppose that Samson was untaught or ignorant of the requirements and obligations of the nazir vow? The climate, the culture and environment of the world around us practically guarantees a child will violate this vow. If Samson bowed to such pressures (in his world where the entire nation supported Torah) how much more likely is such an awesome risk to a child in today's world, with it's dreadful consequences?

It is almost a foregone conclusion that the vow will be broken, you have even recognized that yourself ("Kadesh will be at least very familiar with the requirements by the time he reaches 16.").

There is NO provision in the Torah for someone to just decide whether or not they wish to accept the continuation of the nazir vow and just stop doing it.

IF one chooses to take on the instructions of Torah for something like vow of the nazir, one must also understand they have also placed themselves, or their child, under the consequences as well. To do this risks laying a curse on someones life. A very serious consideration, indeed.

[Charles YTK]

Hi Charles,
Considering that I do not submit to Pastoral Church Halacha (Doctrine of the Nicolations and Lording it over the Brethren) let alone Rabbinical Oral Halacha then the ability for a Rabbi to say anything is a moot point.
I find the Talmud and Rabbinical writings useful to understand but in no means binding upon me.

Considering that the period of my vow is likely to extend for quite awhile yet this is useful banter and who knows by the time that I finish their could well be a Temple in place.
Shalom,
Mikhail ben Gino

You gave me a good laugh on that one. Yes, maybe the Lord will come first. I was not recommending you place yourslef under Rabbinical authority. Just trying to answer your question from the writings of those who made the Nazirite vows and such. Talmud has much to say as one might expect, down to details about can you comb your hair and not cut it, you can was it, and anoint it but part it with your hands only and not touch it with a comb. As you know Talmud is a huge work and is the opinion and commentary of man men over many ages. So there are different rulings.

If I can help further in some way let me know.

Shalom,
Charles

[Bananna]

a vow, perhaps - a Nazarite vow is not any vow...

Let me share some scripture related to the Nazarite vow:






Numbers (B'midbar) 6:1-21 1 ADONAI said to Moshe, 2 "Tell the people of Isra'el, 'When either a man or a woman makes a special kind of vow, the vow of a nazir, consecrating himself to ADONAI;










this is not any vow - it is a "special kind of vow; consecrating himself to ADONI"











3 he is to abstain from wine and other intoxicating liquor, he is not to drink vinegar from either source, he is not to drink grape juice, and he is not to eat grapes or raisins. 4 As long as he remains a nazir he is to eat nothing derived from the grapevine, not even the grape-skins or the seeds. 5 "'Throughout the period of his vow as a nazir, he is not to shave his head. Until the end of the time for which he has consecrated himself to ADONAI he is to be holy: he is to let the hair on his head grow long. 6 "'Throughout the period for which he has consecrated himself to ADONAI, he is not to approach a corpse. 7 He is not to make himself unclean for his father, mother, brother or sister when they die, since his consecration to God is on his head.










the nazir may not drink ANY intoxicating liquor or vinegar made from such liquor; may eat nothing that comes from grapes; may not make himself unclean with the dead, even those a Levite is allow to attend











8 Throughout the time of his being a nazir he is holy for ADONAI. 9 "'If someone next to him dies very suddenly, so that he defiles his consecrated head, then he is to shave his head on the day of his purification; he is to shave it on the seventh day. 10 On the eighth day he is to bring two doves or two young pigeons to the cohen at the entrance to the tent of meeting. 11 The cohen is to prepare one as a sin offering and the other as a burnt offering and thus make atonement for him, inasmuch as he sinned because of the dead person. That same day he is to re-consecrate his head; 12 he is to consecrate to ADONAI the full period of his being a nazir by bringing a male lamb in its first year as a guilt offering. The previous days will not be counted, because his consecration became defiled.










the reason to shave ones head before the ending of the vow is when one has become defiled accidentally - for that defilement one is to make the above sacrifices but this does not include burning the hair since the hair is defiled - then the period of the vow must be restarted, the previous days are not counted as they are defiled.....











13 "'This is the law for the nazir when his period of consecration is over: he is to be brought to the entrance of the tent of meeting, 14 where he will present his offering to ADONAI - one male lamb in its first year without defect as a burnt offering, one female lamb in its first year without defect as a sin offering, one ram without defect as peace offerings, 15 a basket of matzah, loaves made of fine flour mixed with olive oil, unleavened wafers spread with olive oil, their grain offering and their drink offerings. 16 The cohen is to bring them before ADONAI, offer his sin offering, his burnt offering, 17 and his ram as a sacrifice of peace offerings to ADONAI, with the basket of matzah. The cohen will also offer the grain offering and drink offering that go with the peace offering. 18 The nazir will shave his consecrated head at the entrance to the tent of meeting, take the hair removed from his consecrated head and put it on the fire under the sacrifice of peace offerings. 19 When the ram has been boiled, the cohen is to take its shoulder, one loaf of matzah from the basket and one unleavened wafer, and place them in the hands of the nazir, after he has shaved his consecrated head. 20 The cohen is to wave them as a wave offering before ADONAI; this is set aside for the cohen, along with the breast for waving and the raised-up thigh. Following that, the nazir may drink wine. 21 "'This is the law for the nazir who makes a vow and for his offering to ADONAI for his being a nazir - in addition to anything more for which he has sufficient means. In keeping with whatever vow he makes, he must do it according to the law for the nazir.'"










The red areas are required to end an undefiled vow.






None of these had on them a Nazarite vow, there was no such thing until Torah. Once Torah was given the ONLY acceptable place for sacrifice is where HaShem "placed his name" - i.e. G-d's House (note: NOT a "house of G-d"). If other places were acceptable then the Jewish people would have sought out those places when exiled to Babylon and when exiled by the Romans - instead of the entire nation lamenting, in nearly every prayer for the last 2000 years, the loss of the Temple and spending countless prayers for it's restoration...


The existence of the place to make sacrifices in obedience to G-d's requirement is paramount and the heart and soul of Judaism, if there were another correct place to make those sacrifices Judaism WOULD have been doing that instead of crying out for it for the last 2000 years.

You can't mix G-d's instructions with "JMO" - G-d never told us to cast lots to determine where to obey Him, He gave us specific instructions on where acceptable sacrifice is to be made.

When Samson violated his Nazir vow (drank wine, defiled himself with a corpse and allowed his hair to be cut), a vow G-d told his parents to put on him, it cost him his life.


Putting this special vow on an unborn child, to lay such responsibility and burden on a child can be very dangerous to that child.

How much more in today's world (than in Samson's world where an entire nation supported Torah) are the pressures and temptations to surrender the vow? Is one to suppose that Samson was untaught or ignorant of the requirements and obligations of the nazir vow? The climate, the culture and environment of the world around us practically guarantees a child will violate this vow. If Samson bowed to such pressures (in his world where the entire nation supported Torah) how much more likely is such an awesome risk to a child in today's world, with it's dreadful consequences?

It is almost a foregone conclusion that the vow will be broken, you have even recognized that yourself ("Kadesh will be at least very familiar with the requirements by the time he reaches 16.").

There is NO provision in the Torah for someone to just decide whether or not they wish to accept the continuation of the nazir vow and just stop doing it.

IF one chooses to take on the instructions of Torah for something like vow of the nazir, one must also understand they have also placed themselves, or their child, under the consequences as well. To do this risks laying a curse on someones life. A very serious consideration, indeed.

Since we CAN NOT KEEP THE WHOLE LAW we keep what we can and what we know to be right. When was the last time you went and did all that torah commands us to sacrifice even outside the vow of the Nazir? Well probabaly did not even kill your own lamb for the Passover. Does that mean that you did not keep what you can? Does God punish us for not killing our own lamb?

Consider to OBEY IS BETTER THAN SACRIFICE. God asked this of us. We did as we were commanded. Very simple really, we have not been commanded to end the vow of consecrating Kadesh to God. We can not fulfil this vow in the end and at sixteen he must be willing to take it on himself.

Any how I hope this helps you understand my observance, of this special vow.

bananna

[Mikhail]

Since we CAN NOT KEEP THE WHOLE LAW we keep what we can and what we know to be right. When was the last time you went and did all that torah commands us to sacrifice even outside the vow of the Nazir? Well probabaly did not even kill your own lamb for the Passover. Does that mean that you did not keep what you can? Does God punish us for not killing our own lamb?

Consider to OBEY IS BETTER THAN SACRIFICE. God asked this of us. We did as we were commanded. Very simple really, we have not been commanded to end the vow of consecrating Kadesh to God. We can not fulfil this vow in the end and at sixteen he must be willing to take it on himself.

Any how I hope this helps you understand my observance, of this special vow.

bananna

Well said, I mentioned similar in another post. The Nazarite Vow along with many other aspects of our faith cannot be done with completeness without a Consecrate Temple and with conserated sons of Aaron but that does not stop us from doing that which we can do.
Shalom,
Mikhail ben Gino

[Mikhail]

You gave me a good laugh on that one. Yes, maybe the Lord will come first. I was not recommending you place yourslef under Rabbinical authority. Just trying to answer your question from the writings of those who made the Nazirite vows and such. Talmud has much to say as one might expect, down to details about can you comb your hair and not cut it, you can was it, and anoint it but part it with your hands only and not touch it with a comb. As you know Talmud is a huge work and is the opinion and commentary of man men over many ages. So there are different rulings.

If I can help further in some way let me know.

Shalom,
Charles

:D I am glad that my post's bring laughter to others.
Shalom,
Mikhail ben Gino

[Bruce101]

Well said, I mentioned similar in another post. The Nazarite Vow along with many other aspects of our faith cannot be done with completeness without a Consecrate Temple and with conserated sons of Aaron but that does not stop us from doing that which we can do.
Shalom,
Mikhail ben Gino

Then it is not a Nazrite vow.

Bruce

[Bananna]

Bruce that is an interesting opinion, but as I've asked before, where in the bible does it say this is not a nazirite vow? Just because we can not sacrifice to end the vow, does not negate the vow.

Samson and Samuel were nazir all their lives. All Hannah did was say my son will be the Lords all the days of his life. Sounds like he served as priest and prophet a very long time. Too bad he could not pass his zeal on to his kids.

bananna

[Henaynei]

Bruce that is an interesting opinion, but as I've asked before, where in the bible does it say this is not a nazirite vow? Just because we can not sacrifice to end the vow, does not negate the vow.

Samson and Samuel were nazir all their lives. All Hannah did was say my son will be the Lords all the days of his life. Sounds like he served as priest and prophet a very long time. Too bad he could not pass his zeal on to his kids.

banannaShimshon was a horribly failed nazir - he vioalted his vow every way he could and it cost him his life.... and he brought shame and dishonor to the Jewish people and to the Name of G-d among the gentiles...

[Bananna]

Shimshon was a horribly failed nazir - he vioalted his vow every way he could and it cost him his life.... and he brought shame and dishonor to the Jewish people and to the Name of G-d among the gentiles...

Actually you are half right, because he also brought glory to God inspite of his failings. His arogance against the vow did cost him his eyes, ridicule and many years of hard labor. But ultimately in his death he killed more Philistines than in his life.

bananna

[Henaynei]

Actually you are half right, because he also brought glory to God in spite of his failings. His arrogance against the vow did cost him his eyes, ridicule and many years of hard labor. But ultimately in his death he killed more Philistines than in his life.

banannainstead of being the Judge of Israel he was supposed to be - to bring deliverance to the Nation and bring the people back to G-d, he rejected G-d, instead of a lifetime of honoring HaShem and being a leader for his people he chose hedonism, even his "feats of might" were rebellion and dishonor, except when he finally repented and had one moment of actually being used by G-d - nevertheless it was his sin that caused his death - he could have killed that many Philistines and many more if he had not violated his vow.

[Bon]

Being one who is not well versed on "VOW's" especially the "Nazarite Vow"....can I ask a question, which may be completely foolish?

WHY...would one take a vow such as the Nazarite Vow?....Perhaps, especially in this day and age.

What is it's purpose, and why would you place such stringent restrictions on an already difficult lifestyle of separation from the world as a Torah Observant believer?

...very curious to know.

Shalom from Bon

[Mikhail]

instead of being the Judge of Israel he was supposed to be - to bring deliverance to the Nation and bring the people back to G-d, he rejected G-d, instead of a lifetime of honoring HaShem and being a leader for his people he chose hedonism, even his "feats of might" were rebellion and dishonor, except when he finally repented and had one moment of actually being used by G-d - nevertheless it was his sin that caused his death - he could have killed that many Philistines and many more if he had not violated his vow.

Henaynei I am surprised at your comments he Judged well for 20 years in between the issues with the Philistines.

Rejected God? That is hardly the account that I read.
Chose hedonism?
On what basis do make these outrageous claims.

I suggest you go back and read the story again.
Shalom,
Mikhail ben Gino

[Mikhail]

Being one who is not well versed on "VOW's" especially the "Nazarite Vow"....can I ask a question, which may be completely foolish?

WHY...would one take a vow such as the Nazarite Vow?....Perhaps, especially in this day and age.

What is it's purpose, and why would you place such stringent restrictions on an already difficult lifestyle of separation from the world as a Torah Observant believer?

...very curious to know.

Shalom from Bon

Hi Bon,
well for me it was a constant recurring thought that just would not go away I ignored the thought for a period of time until I reached the point where I came to the decision that it was indeed the Ruach HaKodesh and not just me wanting to do something for him.

For me it actually came before I was Torah Observant, but as I was alking this out I actually found that because of this consecration upon my head that I just could not continue to do things that were contrary to the Written Torah form my detracters this only confirmed to them that I was indeed Meshuganah (crazy) for doing this vow but for me I have never had so much peace and confidence that what I am doing is right and pleasing to YHWH.

I have as a result of taking this vow received so much inderstanding by literally living and doing the commandments that I could not have understood by studyt of the Torah alone.

I just love wearing my Tzitzit's with Techelot of course :thumbsup: I never kept kosher until after the vow and the same with many things that I know do.

Intersestingly I have predominiateley over the years even prior to my first hearing Yeshua speak to me when I was almost 20 grown my hair long so perhaps it was just another sign of the ultimate call of YHWH on my life to enter this vow.

In fact it is amazing even on this forum which is a relative safe haven compared to what I experience I still get a lot of flack and resistance to me taking this vow.

It clearly really is a thing of God for me to do or it is absolutley wrong it seems to be a issue that polarise's those around me.

And for the record I would certainly not recommend it without weighing up all the requirements of this lifestyle as you said it is very difficult just to maintain Kosher let alone Nazarite food requirements.
Shalom,
Mikhail ben Gino

[Mikhail]

Hi All,
It is intersting to note that immediateley after the Nazarite Vow is the Aharonic blessing that is commanded to be spoken over the people by the High Priest.

Any comments on this?

Also it appears just after the Issue of Jealosy or suspician of Adultery.

Before: Suspician/Clearance of Adultery between a man and his wife.
Nazarite Vow
After: Aharonic Blessing
Shalom,
Mikhail ben Gino