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[abednego]

How many of you think that your church is 100% correct? Simple question! Give me an anwser

[Randi]

No church is 100% correct. There's always something that can be done better. ;)

[Forest]

Not me.

By "church", I assume that you mean the building I go to on Sundays.

[homewardbound]

Assuming you mean a particular religion or congregation, none are 100% correct.

[twistedsketch]

No, but it's at least 90% correct.

[rosiecotton]

I don't believe there is any church that is 100% correct.

[abednego]

If Christ is the head of church then how can it not be perfect? The bible says to be ye perfect as your father in heaven is perfect! Now many people have diffrent def.s of perfect. And i know full well that it is not possible for us humans on our own to be perfect. It takes God through us to be perfect. Now the church church we go to as in the building or congregation ; i believe can be perfect through God! Why would you take a chance of going to a church that is only 99.9% right, when you can go to one that is 100% right. Have no doubt. Also dont hope you're going to heaven but know it! thats a little off subject but when i ask people if they are going to heaven i get a lot of "well i hope so" anwsers. I believe this is a know so salvation; not a hope so salvation but anyways Through God all things are possiable! Thanks for reading and if ya have anymore thought let me know! Thanks again!

[Warrior Poet]

Wrong reference to "church" brother, the one you are referring to as perfect is Church... maybe a minor detiail to some but to many its vital. The Church is 100% perfect. That includes Catholic churches. Orthodox, Lutheren, Non-Denom. We are seperate parts of the body which make exactly that. a Body.. The claim to perfection was not even attempted by Christ while on earth, and in turn should not be made by any church.

Plus if your perfect its extremely arrogant to go around saying so, as many that make the claim do in defending their church.

Warrior Poet

[Highland Watchman]

Wrong reference to "church" brother, the one you are referring to as perfect is Church... maybe a minor detiail to some but to many its vital. The Church is 100% perfect. That includes Catholic churches. Orthodox, Lutheren, Non-Denom. We are seperate parts of the body which make exactly that. a Body.. The claim to perfection was not even attempted by Christ while on earth, and in turn should not be made by any church.

Plus if your perfect its extremely arrogant to go around saying so, as many that make the claim do in defending their church.

Warrior Poet


I would happen to agree. No one specific part of the body has a perfect and complete understanding, but the Church (the entire Body of the true followers of Jesus Christ) is perfect, because Christ is the head of this body, and the entirety of the Body completes itself through the Holy Spirit.

[abednego]

Wrong reference to "church" brother, the one you are referring to as perfect is Church... maybe a minor detiail to some but to many its vital. The Church is 100% perfect. That includes Catholic churches. Orthodox, Lutheren, Non-Denom. We are seperate parts of the body which make exactly that. a Body.. The claim to perfection was not even attempted by Christ while on earth, and in turn should not be made by any church.

Plus if your perfect its extremely arrogant to go around saying so, as many that make the claim do in defending their church.

Warrior Poet

Yes the Church is perfect as in the whole body of Christ. And Church; as you said includes Catholic churches, Orthodox, Lutheren, etc. If those churches are only 80% correct then how can they be a part of a perfect body of christ?

"Plus if your perfect its extremely arrogant to go around saying so, as many that make the claim do in defending their church."

Every Christian is made perfect THROUGH GOD! No unperfect thing can enter into heaven! I think its our duty to go around saying how perfect God is and what all great things hes done in our life. Its Through God that we can become christ-like because think about when i sinner man see so called christians out drinking and doing things of the world, he thinks to himself they are no better than i am! God changes us and makes us perfect. Now duh dont go around saying hey look at me im perfect. We are to be a light to people!


But what i dont get is how a preacher from a church can get up and give an unperfect sermon. Because the sermons should be coming from God ... right? How can doctrine be imperfect? when it all comes from God! God is perfect and through him we are perfect. So when a group of Christians (who i already said are perfect above) gather together and the spirit comes down from heaven and the preached word of God comes down from heaven how can it not be perfect when God is in every part of that church! So when a sinner man walks into a church he actually see and FEELS A DIFFRENCE! Its more about the feeling than the seeing. And Its more about the spirital state of people not there out-word looks that are perfect, because everyone has there scars and trips here an there. I mean the point of wanting to become a christian is to serve God and to do that you have to make a complete change hate the things you once loved and love the things you once hated. You dont just make a 90% change, you make a 100% change and show the world how awesome God is. The bible said to be ye perfect as your father in heaven is perfect! That doesnt mean perfect hair or skin thats talking about a diffrent perfect.

[Jeromethedisciple]

By no means is my church 100% correct. I'd like to think we get it right most of the time, but we are far, far, far from perfect.


Jerry

[Leimeng]

~ IF you find the 'perfect' church, as soon as you walk in it will no longer be that way. Dont worry about it.
~ Continue to discuss amongst yourselves...

Peace,

Leimeng

Flatulo Ergo Sum~~~

(***Insert Personal One Liners Here***)

[Warrior Poet]

Yes the Church is perfect as in the whole body of Christ. And Church; as you said includes Catholic churches, Orthodox, Lutheren, etc. If those churches are only 80% correct then how can they be a part of a perfect body of christ?

You are answering your own question here.... Church is not an external thing as "church" is

"Plus if your perfect its extremely arrogant to go around saying so, as many that make the claim do in defending their church."

Every Christian is made perfect THROUGH GOD! No unperfect thing can enter into heaven! I think its our duty to go around saying how perfect God is and what all great things hes done in our life. Its Through God that we can become christ-like because think about when i sinner man see so called christians out drinking and doing things of the world, he thinks to himself they are no better than i am! God changes us and makes us perfect. Now duh dont go around saying hey look at me im perfect. We are to be a light to people!


But what i dont get is how a preacher from a church can get up and give an unperfect sermon. Because the sermons should be coming from God ... right? How can doctrine be imperfect? when it all comes from God! God is perfect and through him we are perfect. So when a group of Christians (who i already said are perfect above) gather together and the spirit comes down from heaven and the preached word of God comes down from heaven how can it not be perfect when God is in every part of that church! So when a sinner man walks into a church he actually see and FEELS A DIFFRENCE! Its more about the feeling than the seeing. And Its more about the spirital state of people not there out-word looks that are perfect, because everyone has there scars and trips here an there. I mean the point of wanting to become a christian is to serve God and to do that you have to make a complete change hate the things you once loved and love the things you once hated. You dont just make a 90% change, you make a 100% change and show the world how awesome God is. The bible said to be ye perfect as your father in heaven is perfect! That doesnt mean perfect hair or skin thats talking about a diffrent perfect.

You keep answering your own questions here.... then pass right by and ask another one which you later answer, but I do not think you are aware.

Church is not an external thing as "church" is, the Church functions at 100% perfection by fulfilling each role as part of the Body, sometimes the eyes strain and the ears and nose pick up the slack... the Body still functioning in 100% perfection. The external doctrine does not and will not be 100% perfect, but internally as part of the Church its ( the spirit of the people ) operating as it should. Instead of the body saying the right arm is weak do not use it, the Body shifts weight to help the weak arm, Yet the rest of the body feels no burden and perhaps doesn't realize its even "helping".

Somewhat of a tough concept to grasp I realize.

You keep using the word perfect interchangeably with church and Church.. they hold different meanings for they represent two different things. God never demands perfection from us outwardly, we should strive for it but not in an idealistic way, in the only way we can, spiritually, inward and as you said let that shine.. yet we still sin and still must repent and still must be forgiven. Our actions, words, churches, are outward things tangible things that are subject to flaw, we don't always act in the right manner, yet we try, we don't always say the right thing, yet we try, we don't always give the best "sermons" but we try. And then we try again. Preaching the truth as our pastors do is subject to flaw because at the end of the day there are things we and they just don't know. But their faith inside, their beliefs are perfect for/in the Church and the ROLE in the Body of the church and Church, are being fulfilled to perfection, even with the churches flaws.

In revelation it speaks of the churches being punished, it does not speak of the people specifically.... IMO this holds true to what you said about being perfect through God.

I love your outlook brother its a positive and ideal one. But it is much like just preaching the good news, fire and brimstone are still a reality just as our struggle with the flesh, and its given, and known flaws are. These translate to our churches, thats why people leave churches, thats why corruption takes place in the church. Yet the Church itself remains perfect and functioning, has for thousands of years and will continue to do so.

Warrior Poet

[contriteheart]

If the body of Christ as a collective body (including all truly Christian denominations) is truly perfect, then what do we make of the fact that one arm (metaphorically speaking) has teachings and practices that are directly contradictory and vehemently opposed to the other arm?

Can two directly opposing views both result from God's gracious leading?

PS: I'm not arguing one way or another, just asking a question.

With love in Christ,
Grace

[abednego]

You keep answering your own questions here.... then pass right by and ask another one which you later answer, but I do not think you are aware.

Church is not an external thing as "church" is, the Church functions at 100% perfection by fulfilling each role as part of the Body, sometimes the eyes strain and the ears and nose pick up the slack... the Body still functioning in 100% perfection. The external doctrine does not and will not be 100% perfect, but internally as part of the Church its ( the spirit of the people ) operating as it should. Instead of the body saying the right arm is weak do not use it, the Body shifts weight to help the weak arm, Yet the rest of the body feels no burden and perhaps doesn't realize its even "helping".

Somewhat of a tough concept to grasp I realize.

You keep using the word perfect interchangeably with church and Church.. they hold different meanings for they represent two different things. God never demands perfection from us outwardly, we should strive for it but not in an idealistic way, in the only way we can, spiritually, inward and as you said let that shine.. yet we still sin and still must repent and still must be forgiven. Our actions, words, churches, are outward things tangible things that are subject to flaw, we don't always act in the right manner, yet we try, we don't always say the right thing, yet we try, we don't always give the best "sermons" but we try. And then we try again. Preaching the truth as our pastors do is subject to flaw because at the end of the day there are things we and they just don't know. But their faith inside, their beliefs are perfect for/in the Church and the ROLE in the Body of the church and Church, are being fulfilled to perfection, even with the churches flaws.

In revelation it speaks of the churches being punished, it does not speak of the people specifically.... IMO this holds true to what you said about being perfect through God.

I love your outlook brother its a positive and ideal one. But it is much like just preaching the good news, fire and brimstone are still a reality just as our struggle with the flesh, and its given, and known flaws are. These translate to our churches, thats why people leave churches, thats why corruption takes place in the church. Yet the Church itself remains perfect and functioning, has for thousands of years and will continue to do so.

Warrior Poet

Now maybe im just not any good at putting my thought on this here computer screen .... cuz i must have worded this wrong .... above you said something that i total agree with .... and maybe by saying this i will clear it up .... the perfect that im talking about is not something you see or hear on the out side... but it is within. The perfect is within. Its God through us. All this 100% stuff being perfect stuff is with in. And is not outword.... i tried to say this earlier by talking about like hair and skin .... or speach or just anything out word .... this is all spirital perfection that im talking about maybe i didnt make that clear? Like i said before humans alone arent perfect its God through us. Nothing we do is any good at all ... and is far from good ... but with God in us and when God works through us it is good. The perfect that im talking about is on the inside. Now the church house its self as in the building and the wood and so on is not perfect, Its the service that takes place inside the building. Where God is in the midst. The spirit of God that is in the church is perfect. Alone the chruch and the people in the church are nothing and are far from perfect but when God works in the church HIS PERFECT WILL IS DONE. HIS PERFECT WORD is sent out to minister unto us and the bible says his word will not return void. I hope that clears it up you said this is hard thing to grasp or something but its not ... its a little hard to put in words (for me at least). I hope that made it clearer .... humans arent perfect, the church building isnt perfect ... God is perfect and Every thing that i have mentioned is dealing with the spirit .... its a spirital thing. thanks again for the respones!

[he_is_risen!!]

The Closest you can get is to base the teachings solely on the Bible. It's never wrong ya know

[Highland Watchman]

If the body of Christ as a collective body (including all truly Christian denominations) is truly perfect, then what do we make of the fact that one arm (metaphorically speaking) has teachings and practices that are directly contradictory and vehemently opposed to the other arm?

Can two directly opposing views both result from God's gracious leading?

PS: I'm not arguing one way or another, just asking a question.

With love in Christ,
Grace


I think it would depend on the view. To carry over the allusion to the body, God has designed the eye to function in a certain way that the nose, for instance, would consider ludicrous. God leads the different parts of the Body to show different aspects of His character, it seems, and it is through the influence of the other parts of the Body that keeps the specific parts accountable to the Truth. For instance, the Calvinists focus a lot on God's grace and Sovereignty, while the Arminian groups focus on the responsibility that we have as God's people to be holy, as He is holy. Both are needed. How they work together, I have no clue. I guess that's an aspect of mystery that we will never fully know until Eternity. For another example, the Orthodox church focusses on the Incarnation, and on man being made in the Image of God, while the Catholic Church focusses on the Fall of humanity and the Crucifixion, and many Protestants focus on Salvation and the Resurrection. Once again, all three are needed if we are to have a fuller understanding of the Gospel.

[Highland Watchman]

The Closest you can get is to base the teachings solely on the Bible. It's never wrong ya know

True, but also realizing that we are not existing within a vacuum, where 2000 years of history and tradition can not aid or assist us in the interpretation and application of the Biblical text into our lives in this day. At the same time, we should not rely solely on tradition just because it's tradition. There were some pretty wonky ideas that floated around in tradition (like praying to a pile of bones, for instance, or Augustine's interpretation of the Good Samaritan, or even the teachings of some of the heretical groups...), and some other teachings which are good and true in and of themselves, but do not fit with what God wishes to communicate in our day.

That's why we need a balance: remembering those who have gone before, and using their insights into the Divine Will, but also remembering that we are in our own context, and so must re-intuit God's counsel from Scripture for our own day and age. Anything less than all of this is not remaining loyal to the counsel of God, which is neither wise nor proper. Those who do not learn from the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them...

[Linus]

Peace

Only God is perfect and to Whom all praises are due!

Peace

[Warrior Poet]

Now maybe im just not any good at putting my thought on this here computer screen .... cuz i must have worded this wrong .... above you said something that i total agree with .... and maybe by saying this i will clear it up .... the perfect that im talking about is not something you see or hear on the out side... but it is within. The perfect is within. Its God through us. All this 100% stuff being perfect stuff is with in. And is not outword.... i tried to say this earlier by talking about like hair and skin .... or speach or just anything out word .... this is all spirital perfection that im talking about maybe i didnt make that clear? Like i said before humans alone arent perfect its God through us. Nothing we do is any good at all ... and is far from good ... but with God in us and when God works through us it is good. The perfect that im talking about is on the inside. Now the church house its self as in the building and the wood and so on is not perfect, Its the service that takes place inside the building. Where God is in the midst. The spirit of God that is in the church is perfect. Alone the chruch and the people in the church are nothing and are far from perfect but when God works in the church HIS PERFECT WILL IS DONE. HIS PERFECT WORD is sent out to minister unto us and the bible says his word will not return void. I hope that clears it up you said this is hard thing to grasp or something but its not ... its a little hard to put in words (for me at least). I hope that made it clearer .... humans arent perfect, the church building isnt perfect ... God is perfect and Every thing that i have mentioned is dealing with the spirit .... its a spirital thing. thanks again for the respones!

Then yes sir we are in agreement. :thumbsup: Plus I talk to much :D :help:

Also having many encounters with others this concept is hard to grasp... I have nothing but respect for those that defend their church and its perfection, yet many times it is overshadowed with their lack of understanding of the perfection of the Church.

Warrior Poet

[epyon]

I never believe my or any church is 100 percent correct.

[VCViking]

No church is perfect.