“My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken Me?”

[Chuck®]

“My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken Me?”
Every other time Jesus addressed God, it was always as “Abba.”
But here He speaks from a distance to His Father as He says,
“My God, My God.” Why?

Of God, Habakkuk declared,
“Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil,
and canst not look on iniquity” (Habakkuk 1:13).

Yet Paul writes that Jesus not only bore our sin,
but actually became sin for us (2 Corinthians 5:21).
Therefore, unable to behold evil or look on iniquity,
the Father had no other choice but to turn His back on His Son,
and Jesus felt the agony of that isolation.

Hear not only the agony of isolation, but a word of information.
Those who taunted Him as He paid for their sin
should have known Jesus was quoting Psalm 22,
the classic psalm that described crucifixion.

Thus, even as He was dying,
Jesus was clueing people in.
As they mocked Him,
He was saying, “Psalm 22 is being fulfilled in your very presence.”
But they didn’t understand.
They were in the dark not only physically but spiritually
because they chose not to see the Light.

~ Chuck ~
:amen:

[Petrarch]

You have that exactly right.

[Asaph]

“My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken Me?”
Every other time Jesus addressed God, it was always as “Abba.”
But here He speaks from a distance to His Father as He says,
“My God, My God.” Why?

Of God, Habakkuk declared,
“Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil,
and canst not look on iniquity” (Habakkuk 1:13).

Yet Paul writes that Jesus not only bore our sin,
but actually became sin for us (2 Corinthians 5:21).
Therefore, unable to behold evil or look on iniquity,
the Father had no other choice but to turn His back on His Son,
and Jesus felt the agony of that isolation.

Hear not only the agony of isolation, but a word of information.
Those who taunted Him as He paid for their sin
should have known Jesus was quoting Psalm 22,
the classic psalm that described crucifixion.

Thus, even as He was dying,
Jesus was clueing people in.
As they mocked Him,
He was saying, “Psalm 22 is being fulfilled in your very presence.”
But they didn’t understand.
They were in the dark not only physically but spiritually
because they chose not to see the Light.

~ Chuck ~
:amen:

John 9:28-29
28 Then they reviled him and said, "You are His disciple, but we are Moses' disciples. 29 We know that God spoke to Moses; as for this fellow, we do not know where He is from."
NKJV


One of the saddest scriptures I have ever read.

Asaph

[Gkbarnes]

Amen!!!!!!!!

[holo]

Bingo, Chuck.

I like to say that the reason Jesus cried "why have you forsaken me" is so that we would never have to.

[Asaph]

Bingo, Chuck.

I like to say that the reason Jesus cried "why have you forsaken me" is so that we would never have to.

Funny how Truth makes you weep sometimes.

Er.......ah........not for a manly man like me of course, but I mean for other people. You know. Girls and stuff.

Asaph






:D

[contriteheart]

Hear not only the agony of isolation, but a word of information.
Those who taunted Him as He paid for their sin
should have known Jesus was quoting Psalm 22,
the classic psalm that described crucifixion.


I agree that Jesus was trying to draw their attention to Psalm 22, which describes His agony in detail. The Psalms weren't numbered in those days, so in order to direct someone to one, they would often call out the first line, as Jesus did here.

But I also don't believe that the Father turned His face away or forsook His Son - an idea that has gained widespread acceptance in recent years.

Why do I not believe this? Because of the end of the very Psalm He was pointing them to - Psalm 22:

Psalm 22:24-31 (NASB95)
24 For He has not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; Nor has He hidden His face from him; But when he cried to Him for help, He heard. 25 From You comes my praise in the great assembly; I shall pay my vows before those who fear Him. 26 The afflicted will eat and be satisfied; Those who seek Him will praise the Lord. Let your heart live forever! 27 All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the Lord, And all the families of the nations will worship before You. 28 For the kingdom is the Lord’s And He rules over the nations. 29 All the prosperous of the earth will eat and worship, All those who go down to the dust will bow before Him, Even he who cannot keep his soul alive. 30 Posterity will serve Him; It will be told of the Lord to the coming generation. 31 They will come and will declare His righteousness To a people who will be born, that He has performed it.
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It explicitly says that God did not turn His face away from Christ. I believe Jesus was trying to say to the people "Look, this Psalm describes in detail what you are beholding. It may look like I'm being forsaken by God, but I'm not, as the Psalm shows."

This, to me, is good news! God did not turn His face away from His Son, even as He bore the sins of the world, and He will not turn His back on us.

Just my 2 cents...

With love in Christ,
Grace

[contriteheart]

PS: Another cool thing is this. Notice the end of that Psalm, where it says:

"Posterity will serve Him; It will be told of the Lord to the coming generation. 31 They will come and will declare His righteousness To a people who will be born, that He has performed it."


The "He has performed it" part is basically the exact same expression Jesus used when He said "It is finished!" (which also has the meaning "paid in full.") I think Jesus was not only telling them that it was accomplished, but also directing them back to Psalm 22, and letting them know that everything described in that Psalm had now been accomplished.

With love in Christ,
Grace

[eddy67]

I have a copy of the George Lamsa translation of the Syriac Peshitta, and Mark 15 reads

"Eli, Eli, lemana, shabakthani! which means, My God, my God, for this I was spared!"

It's interesting what a change just a single word can have.


Another thing that I noticed was different from the KJV is Matthew 19:34.

KJV: "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Lamsa Translation: "It is easier for a rope to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God".



I just thought they were interesting differences

[Chuck®]

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[Facing East]

I think He might have been praying the whole Psalm (22), which is a Messianic Psalm - only the first few lines were recorded by the Evangelist. If that be the case - He also said (though not recorded):

1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me,
so far from the words of my groaning?


2 O my God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
by night, and am not silent.

3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
you are the praise of Israel. [a (http://bible.gospelcom.net/passage/?search=Psalm%2022&version=31#fen-NIV-14208a)]

4 In you our fathers put their trust;
they trusted and you delivered them.

5 They cried to you and were saved;
in you they trusted and were not disappointed.

6 But I am a worm and not a man,
scorned by men and despised by the people.

7 All who see me mock me;
they hurl insults, shaking their heads:

8 "He trusts in the LORD;
let the LORD rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
since he delights in him."

9 Yet you brought me out of the womb;
you made me trust in you
even at my mother's breast.

10 From birth I was cast upon you;
from my mother's womb you have been my God.

11 Do not be far from me,
for trouble is near
and there is no one to help.

12 Many bulls surround me;
strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.

13 Roaring lions tearing their prey
open their mouths wide against me.

14 I am poured out like water,
and all my bones are out of joint.
My heart has turned to wax;
it has melted away within me.

15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd,
and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
you lay me [b (http://bible.gospelcom.net/passage/?search=Psalm%2022&version=31#fen-NIV-14220b)] in the dust of death.

16 Dogs have surrounded me;
a band of evil men has encircled me,
they have pierced [c (http://bible.gospelcom.net/passage/?search=Psalm%2022&version=31#fen-NIV-14221c)] my hands and my feet.

17 I can count all my bones;
people stare and gloat over me.

18 They divide my garments among them
and cast lots for my clothing.

19 But you, O LORD, be not far off;
O my Strength, come quickly to help me.

20 Deliver my life from the sword,
my precious life from the power of the dogs.

21 Rescue me from the mouth of the lions;
save [d (http://bible.gospelcom.net/passage/?search=Psalm%2022&version=31#fen-NIV-14226d)] me from the horns of the wild oxen.

22 I will declare your name to my brothers;
in the congregation I will praise you.

23 You who fear the LORD, praise him!
All you descendants of Jacob, honor him!
Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!

24 For he has not despised or disdained
the suffering of the afflicted one;
he has not hidden his face from him
but has listened to his cry for help.

25 From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly;
before those who fear you [e (http://bible.gospelcom.net/passage/?search=Psalm%2022&version=31#fen-NIV-14230e)] will I fulfill my vows.

26 The poor will eat and be satisfied;
they who seek the LORD will praise him—
may your hearts live forever!

27 All the ends of the earth
will remember and turn to the LORD,
and all the families of the nations
will bow down before him,

28 for dominion belongs to the LORD
and he rules over the nations.

29 All the rich of the earth will feast and worship;
all who go down to the dust will kneel before him—
those who cannot keep themselves alive.

30 Posterity will serve him;
future generations will be told about the Lord. 31 They will proclaim his righteousness
to a people yet unborn—
for he has done it.

[Facing East]

whoops ... double posted

[Ron_the_Nazarene]

After all that He'd been through, do you really think He had the strength to quote that Psalm in its entirety?

[Facing East]

Yes I do ... if you used the pSalms as a prayer book as every Jew did ... and if you could quote them by memory as do rabbinical teachers, I believe it isn't a stretch. But that's me

[flyingsum0]

AMEN to seeing the light!

God Bless you all!!1

[sandman]

In line with eddy67
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Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?


John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
The word one hen neuter, means “one in purpose”
How could they be one in purpose….. and have God forsake Him on the cross; doesn’t make any sense.

How about II Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself…
How could God be in Christ and forsake him?

John 16:32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me


Matthew 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels
God would give Jesus more than 72,000 angles. At any point Jesus could have walked away with a massive amount of spiritual body guards.

So how do we reconsile these scriptures with Matthew 27:46 it would appear to be a contradiction of terms.
It has been said that God hated sin so much that he had to turn away durring the final moments of His only begotten sons life…..I don't think so...

One of the principles of biblical research is when you have several clear verses, and one that seemingly contradicts those clear then it is either in our understanding, or in translation…..In this case it is translation.

The words Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani are Aramaic, that is the language Jesus spoke
There is no such Aramaic word as lama however there is a word lmna which is a declaration as in “for this reason” or “for this purpose”
The word sabachthani comes from the root word shbk which means “to spare, or to keep, to leave, or reserve”. The word remaining in the following verses have all been translated from shbk II Kings 10:11, Deuteronomy 3:3, Joshua 10:33
Literally this should read Eli, Eli, lmna sabachthani that is to say, “My God, My God, for this reason, or for this purpose was I reserved, or spared”.
For this purpose Christ came into this world, the purpose of redemption.
Now that would be an interesting study if we left it there…but wait let’s put some icing on the cake

From the Peshitta this reads Eli, Eli, lemana shabakthani “My God, My God, for this I was spared or this was my destiny”.

Another interesting fact: all eastern Bibles have “for this purpose I was spared” while the Occidental translations read “why hast thou forsaken me”….wonder why that is?

[Facing East]

YAY for Eastern Bibles!!

[Godzchild]

Awww I'm bawling my eyes out!!!

[Facing East]

which part?