London attacked, hundreds injured, many dead

[benedictine]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8492258/


Various news sources are saying different things, I've heard everything from 90 casuaties (dead or hurt) to 1000 injured, 45 dead.

There were four Bombs according to the latest report, one of them effected three trains, that's why there were origionally thought to be 7 bombs, double-decker bus destroyed.




Our Lady of Walsingham, St. George, St. Andrew, St. Patrick, pray for England!

[LiberatedChick]

The official figures currently stand at around 40 dead, 300 injured.

[Mysterium_Fidei]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8492258/


Various news sources are saying different things, I've heard everything from 90 casuaties (dead or hurt) to 1000 injured, 45 dead.

There were four Bombs according to the latest report, one of them effected three trains, that's why there were origionally thought to be 7 bombs, double-decker bus destroyed.




Our Lady of Walsingham, St. George, St. Andrew, St. Patrick, pray for England!

This is terrible. :(

[Fish and Bread]

May God bestow his saving grace on those affected by this tragedy, both dead and living, that they all may live, and live fully in Christ.

John

[alban]

Kyrie elesion :prayer:

[RedneckAnglican]

Heavenly Father, I come to Your throne of mercy bowed down and wearied by the weight of suffering and disaster visited upon our country. I beg You to protect this nation in our hour of need. I acknowledge my tresspasses before You and do not deny either my own transgressions of Your holy law or the sins of other citizens of my homeland. We are laden with iniquity, but You call us to Your forgivness, salvation, hope, and life. Turn the hearts and minds of all to You, that they might find peace through the cleansing of Jesus' blood. Let me not be confounded or dismayed, so that I, a child of your grace, may courageously speak to this needy world of the hope that is within me. Make me an insturment of Your peace in a world of conflict, a witness to the power of faith in a world lost in unbelief, and a bearer of the joy that overcomes the sorrow of a fallen world. Grant to the leaders of this nation and all the nations of the world wise counsil, calm thinking, and unselfish aims. Amid the tumult of disaster, build Your kingdom and turn even more sould to Yourself. Because of your grace, we are not altogether lost but find peace and forgiveness in You. O Lord, give me the grace to seek You, trust You, and confess You; in Jesus' name. AMEN...

from the "Lutheran Book of Prayer"...

My heart goes out to the familys and friends of those lost...as well as those hurt...I pray for healing, justice, and peace...

[SeenAndUnseen]

Heavenly Father, I come to Your throne of mercy bowed down and wearied by the weight of suffering and disaster visited upon our country. I beg You to protect this nation in our hour of need. I acknowledge my tresspasses before You and do not deny either my own transgressions of Your holy law or the sins of other citizens of my homeland. We are laden with iniquity, but You call us to Your forgivness, salvation, hope, and life. Turn the hearts and minds of all to You, that they might find peace through the cleansing of Jesus' blood. Let me not be confounded or dismayed, so that I, a child of your grace, may courageously speak to this needy world of the hope that is within me. Make me an insturment of Your peace in a world of conflict, a witness to the power of faith in a world lost in unbelief, and a bearer of the joy that overcomes the sorrow of a fallen world. Grant to the leaders of this nation and all the nations of the world wise counsil, calm thinking, and unselfish aims. Amid the tumult of disaster, build Your kingdom and turn even more sould to Yourself. Because of your grace, we are not altogether lost but find peace and forgiveness in You. O Lord, give me the grace to seek You, trust You, and confess You; in Jesus' name. AMEN...

from the "Lutheran Book of Prayer"...

My heart goes out to the familys and friends of those lost...as well as those hurt...I pray for healing, justice, and peace...

I second all of this. Amen.

[AveMaria]

:cry:
Christ have mercy.
:crossrc:

[PaladinValer]

Kyrie Eleison
Christe Eleison
Kyrie Eleison

:cross:

[masuwerte]

Any thoughts on what we (laymen, civilians) can do to help?

[Mysterium_Fidei]

Heavenly Father, I come to Your throne of mercy bowed down and wearied by the weight of suffering and disaster visited upon our country. I beg You to protect this nation in our hour of need. I acknowledge my tresspasses before You and do not deny either my own transgressions of Your holy law or the sins of other citizens of my homeland. We are laden with iniquity, but You call us to Your forgivness, salvation, hope, and life. Turn the hearts and minds of all to You, that they might find peace through the cleansing of Jesus' blood. Let me not be confounded or dismayed, so that I, a child of your grace, may courageously speak to this needy world of the hope that is within me. Make me an insturment of Your peace in a world of conflict, a witness to the power of faith in a world lost in unbelief, and a bearer of the joy that overcomes the sorrow of a fallen world. Grant to the leaders of this nation and all the nations of the world wise counsil, calm thinking, and unselfish aims. Amid the tumult of disaster, build Your kingdom and turn even more sould to Yourself. Because of your grace, we are not altogether lost but find peace and forgiveness in You. O Lord, give me the grace to seek You, trust You, and confess You; in Jesus' name. AMEN...

from the "Lutheran Book of Prayer"...

My heart goes out to the familys and friends of those lost...as well as those hurt...I pray for healing, justice, and peace...


:amen:

[alban]

Any thoughts on what we (laymen, civilians) can do to help?

Quite simply, pray. Pray that the Queen and her Parliament may guide the country through this crisis. Pray for the souls of the individuals who died, and that their family may find peace. Pray that God will be with the medical staff as they attend to the sick. Pray that all Britains may be comforted in this time. Pray that any responce to this barbaric act will be prayerful and reasoned. And finally, pray that we may become aware of Gods love for us even at times when that can be hard to see. That we can be thankful that in spite of everything God is a God of love, and that through his grace all are offered the chance of peace with him.

[RedneckAnglican]

Quite simply, pray. Pray that the Queen and her Parliament may guide the country through this crisis. Pray for the souls of the individuals who died, and that their family may find peace. Pray that God will be with the medical staff as they attend to the sick. Pray that all Britains may be comforted in this time. Pray that any responce to this barbaric act will be prayerful and reasoned. And finally, pray that we may become aware of Gods love for us even at times when that can be hard to see. That we can be thankful that in spite of everything God is a God of love, and that through his grace all are offered the chance of peace with him.

:amen:

we are praying for ya'll on this side of the pond...

[romaneagle13]

:amen:

we are praying for ya'll on this side of the pond...

Yes, as so many Britons prayed for us and stood by us during the aftermath of 9/11 we rightly return the favor. My husband and I have a freind who works in London (and rode the tube everyday) whom we still have not heard from yet. He has a wife and brand new baby, we pray and hope that he is well and will answer our email to let us know.

Lord, watch over London and give comfort to the people who are suffering, grant strength to the rescue workers and medical personnel who are helping them and enfold in Your loving mercy the souls of the departed, whom I trust are with You now. :crossrc:

[Rev. Smith]

Quite simply, pray. Pray that the Queen and her Parliament may guide the country through this crisis. Pray for the souls of the individuals who died, and that their family may find peace. Pray that God will be with the medical staff as they attend to the sick. Pray that all Britains may be comforted in this time. Pray that any responce to this barbaric act will be prayerful and reasoned. And finally, pray that we may become aware of Gods love for us even at times when that can be hard to see. That we can be thankful that in spite of everything God is a God of love, and that through his grace all are offered the chance of peace with him.

And anything else you need brothers, please just ask. We love you, and He loves you.

[thejesusfish90]

:pray:

[IowaLutheran]

Yes, as so many Britons prayed for us and stood by us during the aftermath of 9/11 we rightly return the favor.


Amen to that. The Brits have been our best friends for nearly a century so we need to stand by them.

[svdbygrace]

The Supplication from the Great Litany

For use in the Litany in place of the Versicle and Collect which follows
the Lord's Prayer; or at the end or Morning or Evening Prayer; or as a
separate devotion; especially in times of war, or of national anxiety, or of
disaster. (1979 BCP)

Our Father, who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy Name,
thy kingdom come,
thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil. Amen.


O Lord, arise, help us;
And deliver us for thy Name's sake.

O God, we have heard with our ears, and our fathers have
declared unto us, the noble works that thou didst in their
days, and in the old time before them.
O Lord, arise, help us;
and deliver us for thy Name's sake.

Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy
Ghost; as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be,
world without end. Amen.
O Lord, arise, help us;
and deliver us for thy Name's sake.

V. From our enemies defend us, O Christ;
R. Graciously behold our afflictions.
V. With pity behold the sorrows of our hearts;
R. Mercifully forgive the sins of thy people.
V. Favorably with mercy hear our prayers;
R. O Son of David, have mercy upon us.
V. Both now and ever vouchsafe to hear us, O Christ;
R. Graciously hear us, O Christ; graciously hear us, O Lord
Christ.

We humbly beseech thee, O Father, mercifully to look upon
our infirmities; and, for the glory of your Name, turn from us
all those evils that we most justly have deserved; and grant
that in all our troubles we may put our whole trust and
confidence in thy mercy, and evermore serve thee in holiness
and pureness of living, to thy honor and glory; through our
only Mediator and Advocate, Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.

[LiberatedChick]

I heard on the news today that a book of condolence will be opened and a relief fund set up to help the victims. More information on this can be seen by following the link...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4665385.stm

[Xpycoctomos]

I found this statement from an Orthodox Archbishop Lazar Puhalo (I think of the Orthodox Church in Canada... that's my guess) and i thought it was apropos to this recent tragendy. I don't this was posted in regards to July 7th but it is still very relevant to the tragedy at hand:
Our own personal tragedies can make us poets or demons; spiritual giants or emotional vampires...If only we could understand and learn from them. Sometimes, we need to actually appreciate our tragedies and use them as vehicles toward a greater humanity. If we live with them in a positive manner, we can even learn to be "healers." Tragedies there be for everyone, some lesser, some greater, but the one who learns to increase in spirit and humanity from them is a gift to mankind.


I realize this is easy for me to post as I am much more removed from it than all of you in the UK are (especially those near or in London), but it is truth and hopefully it will help someone. My prayers are with the UK and London. God Save the Queen!

John

[Papist]

I felt so angry at my native city being bombed like this. I grew up with the IRA bombing campaign but this was different. The IRA were relative amateurs and they usually bombed where there would be least injury to people but maximum disruption to daily life. This could have been so much worse.

I feel so proud of my compratiots. I have read of many stories of quiet bravery and of people just helping each other out without fuss. People are behaving the way we did when the IRA were bombing -- getting on with their lives and not letting the terrorists win.

"Britons never never never shall be slaves" as one of our national songs ends.

[Leonard]

Isn't it marvelous to allow immigration by these people of the 'religion of peace'?

As Moslem immigration to the USA increases; just look at the blessings we have to look forward to.

Fr. Onesimus

[Papist]

There are millions of British Muslims, most of whom are peaceful.

[benedictine]

MOD HAT POST

Okedokie. Please DO NOT insult people. Please take care that your words are tactful.

HAT off.

[Leonard]

There are millions of British Muslims, most of whom are peaceful.

REALLY!???! So where is the torrent of condemnation for these murderous acts by their fellow Moslems? The silence is simply STAGGERING! You seem to consider them 'peaceful' if they are not murdering people at this very minute!

In the past 15 years I have had over 100 personal friends or professional colleagues murdered by Moslems. Even among your 'peaceful' ones AT LEAST 85% give at least emotional support to the terrorist bombers. That is a stunning figure!

Remember that their "holy" book commands them hundreds and hundreds of times to kill any and all non Moslems every time they have a viable opportunity to do so. And they are instructed to lie to us about their true intentions to do so, by that same "holy" book. I challenge EVERYONE: Read the Koran!

Remember; just because someone has switched from 'full auto' to singe fire does not mean he is 'peaceful.'

Fr. Onesimus

[alban]

Could a moderator please do something about this thread?

(and for your information 'Leonard', the Muslim Council of Great Britain unaminously condemned the attacks within hours of them taking place. I would like to further discuss aspects of your post such as (unsubstantiated) claim that 85% of Muslims support terrorists, but as your sole purpose in this thread so far has been to perpetuate hate i shall stop my post here)



:sigh:

[Colabomb]

Any thoughts on what we (laymen, civilians) can do to help?
pray.

[LiberatedChick]

I'm sorry, but you really can't go around tarring everyone with the same brush. Yes, there are some Muslims that are involved in terrorism but that doesn't mean that all are or that the majority support it. Alban is right in saying the Muslim Council here has condemned the attacks, other Muslim leaders worldwide have also condemned such attacks. Just because you haven't heard these condemnations doesn't mean there's been silence!

There are many Muslims in my town, there's a mosque here and in a nearby town also. In my 22 years of being in this town I've yet to hear people point fingers at the Muslims and say that they are the cause of violence or problems in the town. I attended a school which Muslims and many other faiths attended and have found all to be nice people. Oh I bet that some may be involved in crime but likewise I'm sure there are some Christians, atheists, pagans, Hindus, etc, that aren't exactly innocent people either.

[Leonard]

I'm sorry, but you really can't go around tarring everyone with the same brush. Yes, there are some Muslims that are involved in terrorism but that doesn't mean that all are or that the majority support it. Alban is right in saying the Muslim Council here has condemned the attacks, other Muslim leaders worldwide have also condemned such attacks. Just because you haven't heard these condemnations doesn't mean there's been silence!

There are many Muslims in my town, there's a mosque here and in a nearby town also. In my 22 years of being in this town I've yet to hear people point fingers at the Muslims and say that they are the cause of violence or problems in the town. I attended a school which Muslims and many other faiths attended and have found all to be nice people. Oh I bet that some may be involved in crime but likewise I'm sure there are some Christians, atheists, pagans, Hindus, etc, that aren't exactly innocent people either.

As I asked, where is the 'torrent' of condemnation? There has been a whisper from those who are just about required to make PC statements for the media; but there certainly should be an uproar, not the near silence we are seeing. Where are the crowds of Moslems protesting in the streets against the terrorists? There are none. However, there was a major rally in London in April this year where some lunatic had the crowd chanting: "Bomb London" "Nuke Washington, D.C" "Death to Blair" "Death to Bush." Well, they're doing what they said, aren't they? Where is the counter-demonstration?

Again, I challenge all Christians: READ THE KORAN. Learn what you are talking about.

Please tell me where I have said anything about 'hating' Moslems. Indeed at least once every day, my wife and I pray for the Moslem world. To observe facts is not hatred, friends. Where does your confusion on this come from? Perhaps when enough of your own friends and loved ones have been murdered.... May God forbid! and may you learn the lessons in time to save yourselves.

Every blessing,

Fr. Onesimus

[LiberatedChick]

Where are the crowds of Moslems protesting in the streets against the terrorists?

Umm, they're Brits too and they're busy praying and mourning like the rest of us. Now is not the time for protests, now is the time to stand quietly strong as we remember and bury the dead.

However, there was a major rally in London in April this year where some lunatic had the crowd chanting: "Bomb London" "Nuke Washington, D.C" "Death to Blair" "Death to Bush."

Where on earth did you hear this because I've heard nothing about such a thing happening.

To observe facts is not hatred, friends. Where does your confusion on this come from? Perhaps when enough of your own friends and loved ones have been murdered.... May God forbid! and may you learn the lessons in time to save yourselves.

The facts from your country seem very different to ours. You write from observation and I do also. The Muslims you describe in your country are not the Muslims I've seen here.

Division is what the terroists want, changing our lives is what the terroists want. The moment we change as a result of fear of terror is the moment the terroists win.

The terroists injured and killed all kinds of different people...different faiths, different races. This was not an attack at everyone besides Muslims. This was an attack at everyone. Anyone who happened to be using the tube or bus at that time. The Major of London put it well when he said...

"This was not a terrorist attack against the mighty and the powerful. It was not aimed at presidents or prime ministers. It was aimed at ordinary working-class Londoners, black and white, Muslim and Christian, Hindu and Jew, young and old.


Indiscriminate slaughter irrespective of any consideration for age, class, religion, whatever. That isn't an ideology. It isn't even a perverted faith. It is just an indiscriminate attempt at mass murder."

[higgs2]

Could a moderator please do something about this thread?

(and for your information 'Leonard', the Muslim Council of Great Britain unaminously condemned the attacks within hours of them taking place. I would like to further discuss aspects of your post such as (unsubstantiated) claim that 85% of Muslims support terrorists, but as your sole purpose in this thread so far has been to perpetuate hate i shall stop my post here)



:sigh:

Thank you for saying this. I'm so sick of hateful rhetoric.

[Leonard]

Umm, they're Brits too and they're busy praying and mourning like the rest of us. Now is not the time for protests, now is the time to stand quietly strong as we remember and bury the dead.



Where on earth did you hear this because I've heard nothing about such a thing happening.



The facts from your country seem very different to ours. You write from observation and I do also. The Muslims you describe in your country are not the Muslims I've seen here.

Division is what the terroists want, changing our lives is what the terroists want. The moment we change as a result of fear of terror is the moment the terroists win.

The terroists injured and killed all kinds of different people...different faiths, different races. This was not an attack at everyone besides Muslims. This was an attack at everyone. Anyone who happened to be using the tube or bus at that time. The Major of London put it well when he said...

"This was not a terrorist attack against the mighty and the powerful. It was not aimed at presidents or prime ministers. It was aimed at ordinary working-class Londoners, black and white, Muslim and Christian, Hindu and Jew, young and old.


Indiscriminate slaughter irrespective of any consideration for age, class, religion, whatever. That isn't an ideology. It isn't even a perverted faith. It is just an indiscriminate attempt at mass murder."

Then he needs to read the Koran too.

[pmcleanj]

http://www1.christianforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31230&stc=1This is an official moderator post.

The topic of this thread is our sympathy and prayers and solidarity with the victims of the London bombings of last Wednesday.

Diverting this thread into a debate over a non-Christian religion is inappropriate.

Regards,
Pamela

[Xpycoctomos]

Please... don't read the Koran.

Pray for muslims.

Pray for London and Londoners.

God bless the UK.

John

[Leonard]

Very very good news.

Let me preface this by describing Laramie, Wyoming a little bit, since most of you have probably never heard of this little hamlet. Wyoming is a very rural state with a very small population. Laramie is one of the largest cities in Wyoming. It is a beautiful little university down with a population of about 10,000 (probably close to double that when the University is in full session, as it is home to the University of Wyoming).

Well then: The Moslem community in Laramie (there are only 45 Moslems there, but this is still QUITE important) UNANIMOUSLY and in the clearest possible terms condemned the London bombings, and all those who 'murder in the name of God.' I actually broke down and wept with gratitude that they spoke out so clearly.

The 'whisper' is gaining in volume, and every little voice, even from so obscure a place--maybe ESPECIALLY from so obscure a place--as Laramie is so important!

Thanks to the Moderator for reminding us to pray for the Londoners, and let's not neglect to pray for the Moslem world either.

Fr. Onesimus

PS: DO read the Koran; it is vital that we all know clearly what we are talking about.

[Fish and Bread]

DO read the Koran; it is vital that we all know clearly what we are talking about.

Is there a good modern English translation of the Koran that you would feel comfortable recommending, Father? I once picked up a cheap copy of the Koran and the translation used an archaic form of usage that I had a lot of difficult with. I'm hoping that there is translation of the Koran out there somewhat akin to the NRSV translation of the Christian bible -- accurate, scholarly, in and keeping with the poetic nature of the original, and in clear modern American English.

John

[Leonard]

One good translation is THE GLORIOUS QUR'AN by Pickthall