Tattoos

[CoffeeSwirls]

I am curious to hear what the rest of you think about tattoos. I was raised to believe that Christians just shouldn't get them, but no reason was ever presented. It seems to be along the same line of thought that Christians shouldn't drink, dance, smoke or play cards to me. In place of such rules, I am more of the mind that if the inside of the cup is clean, the whole cup is clean, but would appreciate any input offered by the members of this forum.

Is tattooing something that a Christian should consider?

[~Heavens_Bride~]

Personally, I do not have a problem with tatoos. However, I do wonder why someone would permenately mark their bodies. Why do I sk this?? Cause I marked mine at the age of 17 and regret it emmesley!

No, I dont have a skull and crossbones...I do have a winged heart on my left shoulder. Everytime I see it I am reminded of the rebellious life I used to live in. I had no reason for tha tatoo - it was just a spur of the moment thing, and the symbolism behind the design in 'nadda'...just something I picked off the parlor wall.

having said that, I do not have a probelm with tatoos if someone is getting it for a good reason. The only good reason would be for God. Does that make sense. Why glorify anything else on your body than God? Leviticus makes me question if we as Christians should get tatooed at all...but if one does, why not get a verse or a cross or fish...somthing like that!

[Paleoconservatarian]

I hate tattoos, but I don't believe they are necessarily sinful. I don't think Christians should consider tattoos, because I find they mar the natural beauty of the bodies God has graciously given us. If you get a tattoo out of rebellion or for pagan worship, then of course it is sinful. And I've yet to have a friend or relative show me a tattoo they've gotten that doesn't make me want to throw up. (And this is a teenager saying so!!). I guess I just don't get it.

[Elderone]

Is tattooing something that a Christian should consider?

I would say no. Even though there is no "direct" prohibitation of tattoos in the Bible does not mean they are permitted. Of the few people I have known with them, most said they wouldn't do it again.

The passage I believe that should guide us is:

1Co 6:20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s. (my emphasis)

[JJB]

I have heard many regrets from people with tattoos. THey are never really "removed" either -- they leave a visible scar.

The only problem I can see is are we conforming to the world by having tattoos? It's an in-thing these days -- tattoo shops are almost as common as starbuck's.

[Vessel Of Mercy]

They are sinfully ugly.

You shall not adorn yourself or any of the foreigners among you in the garments of a charlatan, nor shall you partake of their electronic amusements, nor shall you defile your flesh with sillyness, for in that day that you commit these acts, whether you adorn yourselves or any foreigner among you in the garments of a charlatan, or partake of their electronic amusements, or defile your flesh with sillyness in the vanity of your minds, you and your wife and your children will be cast out of the borders of the land and there you shall suffer the shame of your blood-sillyness to a thousand generations, because they're ugly, yo.

So anyway, I'm not comfortable with tattoos because they're just out there. Y'know, they're permanent ink implanted into your skin, usually according to some over-used, uncreative design, and then you get to have it for the rest of your life. Even if the design is complex and beautiful as art, it's on your skin. On your skin. Um. WHAT. I understand the "gross factor" isn't a valid argument, but how about the "dumb factor"? Intelligent decisions are based on an objective scale correlative to circumstances which ultimately end in axioms about reality, so I can say with confidence that acquiring tattoos is, at the very least, an unwise position. Plus, they be dang ugly.

Edit: I suppose on the survey I am in between "No, it has no value" and "No, it is a sin to mark your body". I voted for the former of the two, but I have next to no confidence in that position.

[drstevej]

You shall not adorn yourself or any of the foreigners among you in the garments of a charlatan, nor shall you partake of their electronic amusements, nor shall you defile your flesh with sillyness, for in that day that you commit these acts, whether you adorn yourselves or any foreigner among you in the garments of a charlatan, or partake of their electronic amusements, or defile your flesh with sillyness in the vanity of your minds, you and your wife and your children will be cast out of the borders of the land and there you shall suffer the shame of your blood-sillyness to a thousand generations, because they're ugly, yo.

That's the KJV. The Laid-Back Bible™ says...

"Dude, what are you thinkin'? You ain't gonna be no chick magnet with them tats -- you'll be lookin like a comic book ... forever."

[A New Dawn]

That's the KJV. The Laid-Back Bible™ says...

"Dude, what are you thinkin'? You ain't gonna be no chick magnet with them tats -- you'll be lookin like a comic book ... forever."
Dudes are not the only people who get tattoos. :)

[PapaLandShark]

I think much of the prohibition ( aside from an ugly tat ) is from Revelations. The "mark" on the forehead or the hand. On the flip side I've seen many tattoos that are quite beautiful giving Glory to Jesus.

Not likely to get one myself. Don't have the patience or cash to spend on such.

[theFijian]

What about a tatoo of a burning bush? (joke!)

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[Paleoconservatarian]

That's the KJV. The Laid-Back Bible™ says...

"Dude, what are you thinkin'? You ain't gonna be no chick magnet with them tats -- you'll be lookin like a comic book ... forever."

Dudes are not the only people who get tattoos. :)

We're still waiting for the "gender-accurate" version from Zondervan.

[Behe's Boy]

Two years ago I would have vehemently defended tattoos received that are Christian in nature. I myself have a few - all of which are Christian - one of which is specifically reformed.

Today my tune has changed however (very recently actually). Though I have no plans on removing the ones I have - I will not get any more and I wish I would have never gotten the ones I do have to begin with. The main problem with tatoos are that they only serve to glorify the self and not Christ. Even those that are Christian in nature serve only to draw attention to one's self and not Christ. They are the opposite of piety and are in fact quite vain. In fact when asked about my tatoos I often comment that I got them at a time in my life when vanity was more important to me than peity. When someone tries to tell me that they are seeking to glorify Christ when they get a tattoo I seriously doubt it. The intentions on the surface may be good - but when you get to the heart of the matter vanity is usually the primary reason - vanity and a desire to be accepted by the world.

Since I do have them - I won't judge anyone who gets one - only try to get to the bottom of why someone wants to get marked and perhaps get them to rethink their decision.

[Imblessed]

My sister in law has several tattoos, and while she would never admit it, I can see that she already regrets getting them. When she was getting the tattoos, I asked her why she would do it and told her I thought maybe she would regret it in the future. She emphatically told me she had carefully considered every tattoo and would never regret getting any of them. She is currently trying to get a rather large tatto on her back (of a smiling sun) covered with another design. Unfortunately, she says she's lost some of her pain tolerance and the last session she had hurt so bad, she doesn't know if she could go back. So now she has an unfinished tattoo over another one and who knows if it will get finished? Regrets? She'd never actually admit to me, but I think she definately does!

****BTW, she's not a christian...I'd label her as a Humanist or a Univeralist(all roads are good...) She's so accepting that she's won't claim anything at all! I keep praying...she'll make a fantastic christian someday(positive thinking and all that!). She has a real desire to help other people and make a difference in the world.*****


But the tattoos? She's the reason I would never get one. She was totally sincere when she had hers done--but people change, whether they want to or not--and i don't know too many people with tatoos that haven't regretted at least one if not all at some point in time.

So my vote is that it's not a sin-but totally unnecessary

It's alot like personal liberty in music--if it doesn't hurt your walk, it's not a sin, but be careful not to cause others to stumble.....

[Cajun Huguenot]

Even though there is no "direct" prohibitation of tattoos in the Bible does not mean they are permitted.

I can think of one Lev. 19:28 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Lev/Lev019.html#28). Is it applicable? I have to look into that.

I hate tattoos. I spent four years in the Navy without getting a tattoo. My dislike for them came from my dad who got several tattoos while he was in the military. They were colorful and looked neat when I was little, but they were looking bad by the time I went into the service. He hated them and regretted ever getting them

Kenith

[Elderone]

I can think of one Lev. 19:28 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Lev/Lev019.html#28). Is it applicable? I have to look into that.
I hate tattoos. I spent four years in the Navy without getting a tattoo. My dislike for them came from my dad who got several tattoos while he was in the military. They were colorful and looked neat when I was little, but they were looking bad by the time I went into the service. He hated them and regretted ever getting them
Kenith


Having spent 5 years in the Coast Guard with the easy availability of tattoo parlors in all the ports, God graciously kept me out of them.


Lev 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any markes vpon you: I am the Lord.


This could possibly be stretched to include common tattoos but the predomance of commentaries seem to be talking about markings of idols. Of course, with our mixed up society, a person could have an idol of a Rose, sword, common saying, "Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death" etc.

Included is Adam Clark's commentary of this passage.

Lev 19:28 -
Any cuttings in your flesh for the dead - That the ancients were very violent in their grief, tearing the hair and face, beating the breast, etc., is well known. Virgil represents the sister of Dido “tearing her face with her nails, and beating her breast with her fists.”
“Unguibus ora soror foedans, et pectora pugnis.”
Aen., l. iv., ver. 672.

Nor print any marks upon you - It was a very ancient and a very general custom to carry marks on the body in honor of the object of their worship. All the castes of the Hindoos bear on their foreheads or elsewhere what are called the sectarian marks, which distinguish them, not only in a civil but also in a religious point of view, from each other. Most of the barbarous nations lately discovered have their faces, arms, breasts, etc., curiously carved or tattooed, probably for superstitious purposes. Ancient writers abound with accounts of marks made on the face, arms, etc., in honor of different idols; and to this the inspired penman alludes, Rev_13:16, Rev_13:17; Rev_14:9, Rev_14:11; Rev_15:2; Rev_16:2; Rev_19:20; Rev_20:4, where false worshippers are represented as receiving in their hands and in their forehead the marks of the beast. These were called στιγματα stigmata among the Greeks, and to these St. Paul refers when he says, I bear about in my body the Marks (stigmata) of the Lord Jesus; Gal_6:17. I have seen several cases where persons have got the figure of the cross, the Virgin Mary, etc., made on their arms, breasts, etc., the skin being first punctured, and then a blue colouring matter rubbed in, which is never afterward effaced. All these were done for superstitious purposes, and to such things probably the prohibition in this verse refers.


The following should cover it.

1Cor 6:20 1Co 6:20 For yee are bought with a price: therefore glorifie God in your body, and in your spirit, which are Gods.

[Bloomin' Pyro]

I am curious to hear what the rest of you think about tattoos. I was raised to believe that Christians just shouldn't get them, but no reason was ever presented. It seems to be along the same line of thought that Christians shouldn't drink, dance, smoke or play cards to me. In place of such rules, I am more of the mind that if the inside of the cup is clean, the whole cup is clean, but would appreciate any input offered by the members of this forum.

Is tattooing something that a Christian should consider?

I fully intend to mark my body in glory of God. And pierce it, too.

Tattoos are no more of a sin than drawing on yourself is. There are some things to consider, though, and I've listed them in how I view them in importance:

Your Motivations
The first thing you need to ask yourself is: why? Why do I want to put ink under my skin? Is it because I want all of the attention, or can I use my tattoo to show God's glory?

The Actual Tattoo
There are some sub-categories to consider here, and I've listed them in italics.

The Design
This ties in with your motivations. How much of a witness can I be if I tattoo a naked woman on my arm? I can't be a witness. The design is a touchy subject, because you can twist, weave, and squirm your way to justify the vampire skull you think is just sooo cool.

Make sure that your design will bring glory to God.

The Cost
Tattoos are not cheap. I was in a tattoo parlor this evening; the artist will most likely consider the size, detail (that is, the intricacy), the colors, the time, the ease of the area, and his own talent. As the sign in the parlor states: good work is not cheap! Cheap work is not good!

Consider whether or not you can afford your tattoo. Finances are very personal, so I won't tell you how to budget yourself, but I will tell you that God should be at the center of your stewardship.

The Area
I'm referring to the area of your body that you wish to have tattooed. While I was in the parlor this evening, a girl had just gotten the stereotypical butterfly...right above her buttocks. She had to pull the waist of her pants down to show her signifcant other (she referred to him as "baby," but I don't know their relationship). He was busy getting his shoulderblade tattooed.

Consider this: how visible will your tattoo be? Will you have to dress immodestly for someone to see your tattoo? In my case, when I get my shoulderblades tattooed, the artwork will only be visible when I take my shirt off.

I can tell you that--as a guy--I find it morally distracting when I see a tattoo on a girl's lower back, thighs, cleavage, breasts, or even her chest above her cleavage.

The Parlor
You want to make sure that you're not giving your money to a place that supports certain things. Ask the artist what the parlor supports, as far as causes. Personally, I'd try to find A) a Christian who does tattoos or, falling short of that, B) a parlor where the money simply goes to pay for the employee's paycheck. From there, you really have no control over what that individual does with his money.

You also want to make sure that the parlor is clean, clean, clean! Do some research; ask to see the parlor's credentials regarding health. Make sure they use fresh equipment with you. Examine the parlor itself. I wouldn't even get a tattoo in a parlor that smells unusual, or one where the artist smokes.

There is a risk of hepatitis (a rather nasty liver disease that works in your body for twenty or so years before you notice, and by that time your liver could be scar tissue) with tattoos, but that's the risk you take. That's why it's so important to ensure the cleanliness of the parlor.

The Scripture References
You're probably saying, "Back the logic locomotive up, Rob! Why'd you put Scripture last if you're listing them in matter of importance?" Well, because the Bible doesn't say anything directly against what we know today as a tattoo.

In Biblical days, there was one way to get a tattoo: cut the skin, rub some irritants into the wound, and let it heal so the scar would produce a design. Such a procedure had a high mortality rate, given there were no treatments for blood diseases and most infections then.

Today, the process is much cleaner and safer. There are multiple methods for getting a tattoo, and you're hardly likely to die from the actual process itself (unless something goes seriously wrong).

Now, there are those who will bring all sorts of Scripture to show how tattoos are not Christian. (http://www.av1611.org/tattoos/intro.html) Let me see if I can deal with that.

By the way, some modern tattoo artists perform rituals during their tattoo procedure in order to unleash supernatural power. Some even lick the flowing blood bubbling from the tattoo.

I've never seen or heard of this, and Mr. Watkins fails to provide any proof of it. I'm sure some psychopath might lick the tattoo, but the vast majority of artists will do no such thing.

There’s no question that tattoos originated from the satanic ritual of blood-letting and cutting of the flesh as described in 1 Kings 18.

Again, there is no solid evidence provided. At any rate, I'm not going to deal with the issue of blood-letting, because that and tattooing are two distinctly different forms of body modification.

The tattoo has NEVER been associated with Bible Believing Christians. And whenever and wherever, in history Christianity appears – tattoos disappear. The only exception -- 20th century, lukewarm, carnal, disobedient, Laodicean Christians.

That is your opinion, Mr. Watkins. Christian tattooing has been around for as long as Christians have been getting tattoos with the purpose of glorifying God, because it is that, not strictly the design of the tattoo, that makes it Christian. God cares more about the intent of your heart than the action of your flesh, though He discounts neither.


Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.
1 Corinthians 10:21


Mr. Watkins calls tattoos "the cup of devils." Using that analogy is a stretch, and I'm afraid the rubber band has broken on that one. His entire basis thus far is based on his opinion and myriad of quotes from secular individuals, not on solidified commands of God regarding the specific issue of tattoos.

He then waves the banner of Leviticus 19:28.

Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.
Leviticus 19:28

First of all, a tattoo is not a cut. It is an insertion of ink. Secondly, not all tattoos are designed around death. Thirdly, this verse is from Leviticus. Leviticus is a part of the Mosaic Law. Here's what Paul has to say about the Law:

Romans 7:4-6
Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.

In other words:

But now that we're no longer shackled to that domineering mate of sin, and out from under all those oppressive regulations and fine print, we're free to live a new life in the freedom of God.

That's from The Message.

The Mosaic Law does not apply. At all.

Mr. Watkins then goes on to say that tattoos are always a mark of rebellion. He uses this quote (from a mere man) to back up his claim:

"Unquestionably tattoos are socially unacceptable."
(Ronald Scutt, Art, Sex and Symbol, 1974, p. 179)

So was our Lord and Savior. They tried to stone Him several times, and ultimately they crucified Him. You call that "socially acceptable?"

The Lord Jesus Christ was OBEDIENT unto death – even the death of the cross!

Obedient to God, His Father, Mr. Watkins. Not to man, and men are all you've quoted in context during the entire five pages of your article, thus far.

Terry does go on to--in his own fanatical way--warn us of the dangers of disease. This, I believe, can be avoided by seeking the advice of professionals in the field. Yet there are risks with me sitting at my computer, typing. There are risks in everything, and you have to question if those are risks worth taking.

Finally, on page seven, we get to Biblical arguments. We've already taken care of Leviticus 19:28. There are, of course, verses in 1 Corinthians that talk about honoring God with your body.

If artwork is my form of worship, how is that not honoring God with my body?

Finally, Terry ends on the very weak point of those who regret their tattoos.

The basic point: there's nothing wrong with tattoos overall, just use wisdom and prayerfully consider them.

[Behe's Boy]

Did I miss something? I don't recall see a post by Terry Watkins here - or a link to his article mentioned above.

Based on what I read in Pryo's post, Mr. Watkins makes a very judgemental, non-realistic argument against tatooing. Not to mention he seems to have a misunderstanding of tatoos in general. As someone who is tatooed (and not happy about it) - I was more than a little disturbed to see the quotes by him.

As I already stated - what it boils down to is piety vs. vanity - at least for me. There are no clear cut (bad pun :))scriptures (imo) that say tatooing is wrong but that doesn't mean we shouldn't apply some basic common sense and spiritual discernment to the situation. I wish I would have done so before I received mine - thank God for His mercy - as his forgiveness is more than enough to cover the vanity and "lacidasicalness" I showed in getting them.

I believe that one of the main reasons that people get tatooed are simply to draw attention to themselves. Getting a Christian tatoo is simply an excuse that we make to tell ourselves that it is okay - but is it really? Do you really seek to glorify Christ in your body by getting a Christian tatoo? If so then how does a tatoo glorify Christ? Why do you need a tatoo to glorify Christ?

Something else to consider - tatoos are only an outer adornment that really mean nothing when you get right down to it. How you live your live your life for Christ and in relation to your fellow man is the "mark" or a true believer. Christ was quite vocal in his criticism of the pharisees who saw it as important to be physically adorned with something that "represented" righteousness - instead of true righteousness.

How is tatoo artwork a form of worship? Did you draw the picture? Did you do the tatoo? How is that your worship? Why not just draw it on paper? Why not just put it on canvass? If you seek to worship Christ through art - why does it have to be on the skin?

One last question - are you sure - really sure - that your motive is simply not to conform to the world? To feel cool? To look cool? To be cool?

These are all questions that I hope that a brother or sister in Christ considering getting a tatoo would ask themselves before going.

[Bloomin' Pyro]

Now, there are those who will bring all sorts of Scripture to show how tattoos are not Christian. (http://www.av1611.org/tattoos/intro.html) Let me see if I can deal with that.

That's the link to the article by Terry Watkins.

[JulianaTheory]

Okay, so I've been reading this tattoo debate/opinion thingy for several days. I've also been praying whether or not to add to the list of posts. I have decided to try and leave my opinion out of all of it and just add God's Holy Breathed Scripture. Afterall, who can argue with what God has said, right?

In 1 Samuel 16:7 Starting from the beginning of the scripture, it reads...But the Lord told him, "Samuel, don't think Eliab is the one just because he's tall and handsome. He isn't the one I've chosen. People judge others by what they look like, but I judge people by what is in their hearts." ( CEV) Or the KJV says, But the Lord said unto Samuel, "Look not on his countenance , or on the height of his stature because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart." (This is an awesome story, I hope you read it.)

So for me, I know that I must see beyond the tatts. I need to be more concerned about the condition of the hearts of others that I come into contact with each day. Whether it's the cookie cutter person, the homeless begger on the streets or the tattooed man or woman. God wants us all to call on Him as Lord and Savior. Let's try and work on looking with Christ-like eyes and see beyond the contraversy. When I see that person that is in a different circumstance or appearance, I remind myself that God wants to use them too. He died for all of us, not wanting any of us to perish but have an abundant life in Him.

If we all referred to the Various Laws in Lev.19...we can't just cling to the scripture of Lev. 19:28 without looking at all of them. Here's an example... In verse 26, Do not eat any meat with blood in it...So, I can't have a steak cooked rare? In verse 15, it tells us not to favor the rich or the poor. In verse 19 it tells us not to wear any clothing made of different kinds of material. So, if you wear Polyester and cotton, you have broken that law as well. In verse 28, it also says that you shouldn't shave your head or trim your beard. I have a lot of friends and they are godly friends who don't resemble the Amish community. I'm so glad that when Christ died for my sins that I was freed from the laws that are so trivial and allow believers to be about arguments instead of doing Kingdom work for the Lord.

Do everything without complaining or arguing, so that you may become blameless and pure, children of God without fault in a crooked and depraved generation, in which you shine like stars in the universe as you hold out the word of life - in order that I may boast on the day of Christ that I did not run or labor for nothing. Phil. 2:14-16

My post is in love. Let's all join together in kingdom work and love others as Christ has commanded. I hope if you have tattoos, whether they are of cartoon characters or crosses, you use them as a tool to reach the lost...or use them as a springboard to witness to people that you normally couldn't. I don't have to purchase a Bible or Devotional book each time I check out at Wal-Mart to witness to my checker. I just ask if she attends church and then I tell her about the one I belong to and invite her...or tell her what Christ is doing in my life. I mean, she can't get away from me, she's checking out my items. Let's use our time wisely.

Tattoos, piercings, or purple hair may be a stumbling block to many...to each his own. A stumbling block to me is God's people losing their desperation to seek Him each day in everything. People are watching us Christians, are they going to want a life like ours? Or do they feel that they already have it and they don't even claim Christ as their Savior?
Let's examine our own hearts, encourage each other and reach the lost!
Prayers and Hugs! ~JulianaTheory~

[Shannonkish]

I had to vote "Other" because I don't agree with either of the "yes" answers... But I do believe that it is perfectly fine for a Christian to get a tattoo.

[reformedfan]

I fully intend to mark my body in glory of God. And pierce it, too.

Tattoos are no more of a sin than drawing on yourself is. There are some things to consider, though, and I've listed them in how I view them in importance:

Your Motivations
The first thing you need to ask yourself is: why? Why do I want to put ink under my skin? Is it because I want all of the attention, or can I use my tattoo to show God's glory?

The Actual Tattoo
There are some sub-categories to consider here, and I've listed them in italics.

The Design
This ties in with your motivations. How much of a witness can I be if I tattoo a naked woman on my arm? I can't be a witness. The design is a touchy subject, because you can twist, weave, and squirm your way to justify the vampire skull you think is just sooo cool.

Make sure that your design will bring glory to God.

The Cost
Tattoos are not cheap. I was in a tattoo parlor this evening; the artist will most likely consider the size, detail (that is, the intricacy), the colors, the time, the ease of the area, and his own talent. As the sign in the parlor states: good work is not cheap! Cheap work is not good!

Consider whether or not you can afford your tattoo. Finances are very personal, so I won't tell you how to budget yourself, but I will tell you that God should be at the center of your stewardship.

The Area
I'm referring to the area of your body that you wish to have tattooed. While I was in the parlor this evening, a girl had just gotten the stereotypical butterfly...right above her buttocks. She had to pull the waist of her pants down to show her signifcant other (she referred to him as "baby," but I don't know their relationship). He was busy getting his shoulderblade tattooed.

Consider this: how visible will your tattoo be? Will you have to dress immodestly for someone to see your tattoo? In my case, when I get my shoulderblades tattooed, the artwork will only be visible when I take my shirt off.

I can tell you that--as a guy--I find it morally distracting when I see a tattoo on a girl's lower back, thighs, cleavage, breasts, or even her chest above her cleavage.

The Parlor
You want to make sure that you're not giving your money to a place that supports certain things. Ask the artist what the parlor supports, as far as causes. Personally, I'd try to find A) a Christian who does tattoos or, falling short of that, B) a parlor where the money simply goes to pay for the employee's paycheck. From there, you really have no control over what that individual does with his money.

You also want to make sure that the parlor is clean, clean, clean! Do some research; ask to see the parlor's credentials regarding health. Make sure they use fresh equipment with you. Examine the parlor itself. I wouldn't even get a tattoo in a parlor that smells unusual, or one where the artist smokes.

There is a risk of hepatitis (a rather nasty liver disease that works in your body for twenty or so years before you notice, and by that time your liver could be scar tissue) with tattoos, but that's the risk you take. That's why it's so important to ensure the cleanliness of the parlor.

The Scripture References
You're probably saying, "Back the logic locomotive up, Rob! Why'd you put Scripture last if you're listing them in matter of importance?" Well, because the Bible doesn't say anything directly against what we know today as a tattoo.

In Biblical days, there was one way to get a tattoo: cut the skin, rub some irritants into the wound, and let it heal so the scar would produce a design. Such a procedure had a high mortality rate, given there were no treatments for blood diseases and most infections then.

Today, the process is much cleaner and safer. There are multiple methods for getting a tattoo, and you're hardly likely to die from the actual process itself (unless something goes seriously wrong).

Now, there are those who will bring all sorts of Scripture to show how tattoos are not Christian. (http://www.av1611.org/tattoos/intro.html) Let me see if I can deal with that.



I've never seen or heard of this, and Mr. Watkins fails to provide any proof of it. I'm sure some psychopath might lick the tattoo, but the vast majority of artists will do no such thing.



Again, there is no solid evidence provided. At any rate, I'm not going to deal with the issue of blood-letting, because that and tattooing are two distinctly different forms of body modification.



That is your opinion, Mr. Watkins. Christian tattooing has been around for as long as Christians have been getting tattoos with the purpose of glorifying God, because it is that, not strictly the design of the tattoo, that makes it Christian. God cares more about the intent of your heart than the action of your flesh, though He discounts neither.



Mr. Watkins calls tattoos "the cup of devils." Using that analogy is a stretch, and I'm afraid the rubber band has broken on that one. His entire basis thus far is based on his opinion and myriad of quotes from secular individuals, not on solidified commands of God regarding the specific issue of tattoos.

He then waves the banner of Leviticus 19:28.



First of all, a tattoo is not a cut. It is an insertion of ink. Secondly, not all tattoos are designed around death. Thirdly, this verse is from Leviticus. Leviticus is a part of the Mosaic Law. Here's what Paul has to say about the Law:

Romans 7:4-6
Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.

In other words:



That's from The Message.

The Mosaic Law does not apply. At all.

Mr. Watkins then goes on to say that tattoos are always a mark of rebellion. He uses this quote (from a mere man) to back up his claim:



So was our Lord and Savior. They tried to stone Him several times, and ultimately they crucified Him. You call that "socially acceptable?"



Obedient to God, His Father, Mr. Watkins. Not to man, and men are all you've quoted in context during the entire five pages of your article, thus far.

Terry does go on to--in his own fanatical way--warn us of the dangers of disease. This, I believe, can be avoided by seeking the advice of professionals in the field. Yet there are risks with me sitting at my computer, typing. There are risks in everything, and you have to question if those are risks worth taking.

Finally, on page seven, we get to Biblical arguments. We've already taken care of Leviticus 19:28. There are, of course, verses in 1 Corinthians that talk about honoring God with your body.

If artwork is my form of worship, how is that not honoring God with my body?

Finally, Terry ends on the very weak point of those who regret their tattoos.

The basic point: there's nothing wrong with tattoos overall, just use wisdom and prayerfully consider them.

a post this excellent deserves to be repeated

[Shannonkish]

I would agree with Reformed fan!

[TasManOfGod]

As God does not like us permanently marking our "temples" why should we want to do something that is not pleasing to God. Of course if we already have then there is always repentance.

[reformedfan]

As God does not like us permanently marking our "temples" why should we want to do something that is not pleasing to God. Of course if we already have then there is always repentance.

no need to repent when no sin is involved.

the temple of God verse dealt with men& prostitutes, if my dim brain recalls correctly, it's been a while since i looked at that particular passage, which is used to encourage all kindsa good behaviour: not smoking, not driving with your head out the window, not slamming the window down on your hand to get attention, etc, but really, does that verse mean people are sinning if they get a tattoo, or is that statement mebbe a wee bit legalistic for you to assert that this is how God wants everyone to live?

[TasManOfGod]

no need to repent when no sin is involved.

the temple of God verse dealt with men& prostitutes, if my dim brain recalls correctly, it's been a while since i looked at that particular passage, which is used to encourage all kindsa good behaviour: not smoking, not driving with your head out the window, not slamming the window down on your hand to get attention, etc, but really, does that verse mean people are sinning if they get a tattoo, or is that statement mebbe a wee bit legalistic for you to assert that this is how God wants everyone to live?
God says in Leviticus 19:28 that it is not pleasing to Him that His people have tattoos. This should surely be enough for us to know the heart of God.

[reformedfan]

reread that verse. you can't have cuttings nor tattoos to honor the dead.

if i wasn't such a baby about pain & needles & i wanted to get a cutie bunny rabbit or a big ol' happy face, not to commeromate some dead relative but to celebrate no longer being a beebee about pain, f'rinstance, that'd be fine, as God can see my heart & intentions & how i wasn't really declaring my earthly allegience to some bunny or smiley face idol.

[Bloomin' Pyro]

As God does not like us permanently marking our "temples" why should we want to do something that is not pleasing to God. Of course if we already have then there is always repentance.

Please, show me in Scripture where God does not approve of marking the Temple.

The metaphor of our bodies as temples is used in 1 Corinthians 6:18-20, which says:

Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.

First of all, there is no mention of any decoration regarding the Temple of our bodies. Secondly, the context in which this verse is written is in regard to sexual immorality. It seems, however, that it is often quoted in regards to every other action: drinking, smoking, junk food, etc.

God says in Leviticus 19:28 that it is not pleasing to Him that His people have tattoos. This should surely be enough for us to know the heart of God.

Please, re-read the article I wrote (quoted above). It addresses the issue of why this verse does not apply.

[TasManOfGod]

Here is a good site on the issue. It comes from the highly respected Bible.com:
WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT....TATTOOS? (http://www.bible.com/answers/atattoos.html)

[I'ddie4him]

Please, show me in Scripture where God does not approve of marking the Temple.

The metaphor of our bodies as temples is used in 1 Corinthians 6:18-20, which says:

Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.

First of all, there is no mention of any decoration regarding the Temple of our bodies. Secondly, the context in which this verse is written is in regard to sexual immorality. It seems, however, that it is often quoted in regards to every other action: drinking, smoking, junk food, etc.



Please, re-read the article I wrote (quoted above). It addresses the issue of why this verse does not apply.


He never will address the issue face on. Just keep posting in regards to what you and I KNOW is CORRECT and we can get thru this nonsense.:thumbsup:

[reformedfan]

He never will address the issue face on. Just keep posting in regards to what you and I KNOW is CORRECT and we can get thru this nonsense.:thumbsup:

for once i agree with you on something :D

[edb19]

I look at this topic from several perspectives. First let me make clear - I'm older, tattooing among my generation is much less common than it is among younger generations today. Most folks in my age group got their tattoos either when they were impaired, in the service or both. At least 50% of my daughter's friends, mostly Christians, have tattoos (could be more) - some to the degree that you see little bare skin. One of Hannah's favorite hangouts - a tattoo parlor in Bowling Green.

If one believes that the body is a temple - and I do - then why would one want to mar the creation God fearfully and wonderfully made? Would you want someone permanently spraypainting graffiti on the house of the Lord?

I also think there's a 2nd commandment issue involved here. Tattoos can be honestly described as graven images.

Historically, when Christians went into an area where tattooing was a common practice - those who were converted stopped the tattooing. Baptism took the place of the tattoos.

Then there's the nurse in me - tattoos aren't without their risks. Licensing can be iffy, most of the dyes aren't FDA approved. I've seen reports of folks developing melanoma at tatoo sites. Not to mention the various forms of hepatitis.

Now the nurse and mom in me has always used the last reason in talking to my daughter about tattoos, I generally refer to it as self-mutilation (on the same line as cutting). When I actually took the time to explain the first 3 reasons to her - she thought for a while, said "gee, so people aren't just being legalistic, there's Scripture there" and (I believe) ultimately agreed with me. Of course, she still is friends with all the kids with tattoos (not that I would expect her not to be).

[Bloomin' Pyro]

I look at this topic from several perspectives. First let me make clear - I'm older, tattooing among my generation is much less common than it is among younger generations today. Most folks in my age group got their tattoos either when they were impaired, in the service or both.

First of all, thank you. I could never understand why my parents (who are around your age) had a problem with it, but considering this, I can start to understand.

At least 50% of my daughter's friends, mostly Christians, have tattoos (could be more) - some to the degree that you see little bare skin. One of Hannah's favorite hangouts - a tattoo parlor in Bowling Green.

Perhaps there's ministry opportunities there. I know there've been some for me at local parlors. :)

If one believes that the body is a temple - and I do - then why would one want to mar the creation God fearfully and wonderfully made? Would you want someone permanently spraypainting graffiti on the house of the Lord?

First of all, while I can certainly understand why you would use the word "mar," please try to understand that many of us see it as decoration. I view the body as the temple, and Christian tattooing as artwork for that temple. If someone were to spraypaint graffiti on the side of the House of the Lord, I would be offended (as I am by many tattoos). However, if someone were to prayerfully consider a mural to paint on the side of a church building and legally do so, I would consider it what it is: artwork.

I also think there's a 2nd commandment issue involved here. Tattoos can be honestly described as graven images.

They can be, but only if you allow them to be. I intend on getting multiple tattoos (that would be covered if I wore a long-sleeve collared shirt), but they are not my gods. I could live without them.

Historically, when Christians went into an area where tattooing was a common practice - those who were converted stopped the tattooing. Baptism took the place of the tattoos.

I've never heard of that; could you quote a source? I'm not calling that into question; I'm actually quite interested.

Then there's the nurse in me - tattoos aren't without their risks. Licensing can be iffy, most of the dyes aren't FDA approved. I've seen reports of folks developing melanoma at tatoo sites. Not to mention the various forms of hepatitis.

Indeed, that is a risk. I highly suggest to anyone considering tattoos that the parlor be registered with the BBB, and any parlor that won't give you a copy of their last health inspection report isn't worth your time. It is always a risk, though.

Now the nurse and mom in me has always used the last reason in talking to my daughter about tattoos, I generally refer to it as self-mutilation (on the same line as cutting). When I actually took the time to explain the first 3 reasons to her - she thought for a while, said "gee, so people aren't just being legalistic, there's Scripture there" and (I believe) ultimately agreed with me. Of course, she still is friends with all the kids with tattoos (not that I would expect her not to be).

There is Scripture that talks about respecting one's body, which is why the choice to get a tattoo is such a serious one. As your daughter, I'm glad that she is willing to obey you and understand your viewpoint. I, too, will not get any tattoos until I move out of my parents' house (per their wishes).

[edb19]

I've never heard of that; could you quote a source? I'm not calling that into question; I'm actually quite interested.
.

My pastor, who has a great knowledge of church history so I believed him, brought this up once when we were talking about tattoos. I'll check with him and get back with you.

[smooze]

Leviticus 19:28 (New International Version)

28 " 'Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD.

[smooze]

TATTOO. . . YE WORSHIP YE KNOW WHAT

"Ye worship ye know not what. . ."
Jesus Christ, John 4:24

Throughout history the tattoo bears the mark of paganism, demonism, Baal worship, shamanism, mysticism, heathenism, cannibalism and just about every other pagan belief known. The tattoo has NEVER been associated with Bible Believing Christians. And whenever and wherever, in history Christianity appears – tattoos disappear. The only exception -- 20th century, lukewarm, carnal, disobedient, Laodicean Christians.

The birth of the tattoo has always born the fruits of pagan religion and mysticism. Without exception, research after research, study after study, book after book, the roots of the tattoo never wavers. The following documentation is just a small (very small) drop of the ocean of research documenting the pagan and demonic source of the tattoo.

Please remember. . . The following documentation is from pro-tattoo books simply documenting the obvious spiritual and religious link to the tattoo. These are not Christian writers trying to paint a negative portrait of the tattoo. No matter how much the carnal, rebellious, Christian desires to justify their perverse reasoning for "marking" themselves with the forbidden demonic tattoo, the facts are loud and clear, backed by tons of research and documentation by the leading pro-tattoo authorities on the planet – the foundation, origin, meaning and purposes of the tattoo is pagan demonism, shamanism, Baal worship, and occult mysticism.

A tattooist in many cultures is also a shaman, magick-man, priest or priestess. According to the dictionary a shaman is a "intermediary between the natural and supernatural worlds, using magic to cure illness, foretell the future, control spiritual forces, etc." (www.infoplease.com/ipd/A0648969.html)

"Tattooing is often a magical rite in the more traditional cultures, and the tattooist is respected as a priest or shaman."
(Michelle Delio, Tattoo: The Exotic Art of Skin Decoration, p. 73)

"In Fiji, Fromosa, New Zealand and in certain of the North American Indian tribes, tattooing was regard as a religious ceremony, and performed by priests or priestesses."
(Ronald Scutt, Art, Sex and Symbol, 1974, p. 64)

"The actual tattooing process, which involved complex ritual and taboos, could only be done by priests and was associated with beliefs which were secrets known only to members of the priestly caste. . . Hambly concluded that historically tattooing had originated in connection with ancient rites of scarification and bloodletting which were associated with religious practices intended to put the human soul in harmony with supernatural forces and ensure continuity between this life and the next."
(Gilbert, Steve, Tattoo History: A Source Book, p. 158)

The tattooist, shaman or the occult priest many times uses the tattoo as a point of contact, or inlets into the spiritual world. The tattoo is much more than just a body decoration. It’s more than just a layer of ink cut into the skin. In fact, the tattoo in every culture, in every country, up until the 20th century, was a vehicle for pagan spiritual and religious invocations. Even today, in many countries (including the United States), the tattoo is believed to be a bridge into the supernatural world.

Famous witch and author Laurie Cabot writes of the tattoo:
"The origins of tattooing came from ancient magical practices. . . "
(Laurie Cabot, Power of the Witch, cited in Masonic and Occult Symbols Illustrated by Dr. Cathy Burns, p. 301)



"According to Amy Krakow in her chronicle The Total Tattoo Book, ‘tattooing has had well-defined roles: marking a rite of passage at a stage of life, calling the spirits, proudly, defiantly or sneaky showing who you are via body art."
"Many native tribes practiced therapeutic tattooing. The Ojibwa, for instance, tattooed the temples, forehead, and cheeks of those suffering from headaches and toothaches that were believed to be caused by malevolent spirits. Songs and dances that were supposed to exorcise the demons accompanied the tattooing ceremony."
(Gilbert, Steve, Tattoo History: A Source Book, p. 90)

"Tattooing is about personalizing the body, making it a true home and fit temple for the spirit that dwells inside it. . . Tattooing therefore, is a way of keeping the spiritual and material needs of my body in balance."
(Michelle Delio, Tattoo: The Exotic Art of Skin Decoration, p. 8)

Among today’s latest tattoo craze is "tribal tattoos", which are pure paganism. Tribal tattoos are designs that bear serious symbolic mystical and occult meanings. Tribal tattoos, especially, are possible channels into spiritual and demonic possession.

"When the designs are chosen with care, tattoos have a power and magic all their own. They decorate the body but they also enhance the soul."
(Michelle Delio, Tattoo: The Exotic Art of Skin Decoration, p. 13)

"The reasons why puncturing the skin should be regarded with some degree of awe are not far to seek, for in the first place, there is the drawing of blood, which to the savage world over is full of significance as a rejuvenating and immortalizing factor. There is in addition to the opening of numerous inlets for evil to enter. . ."
(Hambly Wilfrid D. 1925. The History of Tattooing and its Significance, p. 233, cited in Gilbert, Steve, Tattoo History: A Source Book, p. 162)



Rolling Stone magazine describes famous tattoo artist Paul Booth during his tattoo as, ". . . allowing his clients' demons to help guide the needle." (Rolling Stone magazine, March 28, 2002, p. 40) "Burmese tattooing has been associated with religion for thousands of years. Tattooing among indigenous North American groups including the Arapaho, Mohave, Cree, and Inuit (Eskimo) is rooted in the spiritual realm as well."
(Laura Reybold, Everything you need to know about the dangers of tattooing and body piercing, p. 15)

"Skulls imprinted on skin abound, and depictions of the Grim Reaper are commonly seen. . . These images, indelibly marked on the skin, reflect uncertainty about the future, and sublimate the pervasive fear of the unknown. Possibly, at the same time, to wear a death’s figure on one’s body may be an invocation of whatever undefinable forces of nature and the cosmos that exist, in an attempt to protect the wearer from such a fate."
(Henry Ferguson and Lynn Procter, The Art of the Tattoo, p. 76)

[edb19]

Jonathon - thanks for doing the research for me:thumbsup:

edie

[Shannonkish]

blahblahblah...

[Bloomin' Pyro]

:sigh:

I get really tired of the same old arguments which we've debunked again and again, but people just won't read the thread...

[Shannonkish]

I agree Bloomin, which is why I just resorted to "blahblahblah"

[smooze]

Jonathon - thanks for doing the research for me:thumbsup:

edie yw i am sorry for invading the calvinist realm God bless u all!

[TasManOfGod]

TATTOO. . . YE WORSHIP YE KNOW WHAT


"Ye worship ye know not what. . ."

Jesus Christ, John 4:24


Throughout history the tattoo bears the mark of paganism, demonism, Baal worship, shamanism, mysticism, heathenism, cannibalism and just about every other pagan belief known. The tattoo has NEVER been associated with Bible Believing Christians. And whenever and wherever, in history Christianity appears – tattoos disappear. The only exception -- 20th century, lukewarm, carnal, disobedient, Laodicean Christians.


The birth of the tattoo has always born the fruits of pagan religion and mysticism. Without exception, research after research, study after study, book after book, the roots of the tattoo never wavers. The following documentation is just a small (very small) drop of the ocean of research documenting the pagan and demonic source of the tattoo.

Please remember. . . The following documentation is from pro-tattoo books simply documenting the obvious spiritual and religious link to the tattoo. These are not Christian writers trying to paint a negative portrait of the tattoo. No matter how much the carnal, rebellious, Christian desires to justify their perverse reasoning for "marking" themselves with the forbidden demonic tattoo, the facts are loud and clear, backed by tons of research and documentation by the leading pro-tattoo authorities on the planet – the foundation, origin, meaning and purposes of the tattoo is pagan demonism, shamanism, Baal worship, and occult mysticism.

A tattooist in many cultures is also a shaman, magick-man, priest or priestess. According to the dictionary a shaman is a "intermediary between the natural and supernatural worlds, using magic to cure illness, foretell the future, control spiritual forces, etc." (www.infoplease.com/ipd/A0648969.html (http://www.infoplease.com/ipd/A0648969.html))


"Tattooing is often a magical rite in the more traditional cultures, and the tattooist is respected as a priest or shaman."

(Michelle Delio, Tattoo: The Exotic Art of Skin Decoration, p. 73)

"In Fiji, Fromosa, New Zealand and in certain of the North American Indian tribes, tattooing was regard as a religious ceremony, and performed by priests or priestesses."
(Ronald Scutt, Art, Sex and Symbol, 1974, p. 64)

"The actual tattooing process, which involved complex ritual and taboos, could only be done by priests and was associated with beliefs which were secrets known only to members of the priestly caste. . . Hambly concluded that historically tattooing had originated in connection with ancient rites of scarification and bloodletting which were associated with religious practices intended to put the human soul in harmony with supernatural forces and ensure continuity between this life and the next."
(Gilbert, Steve, Tattoo History: A Source Book, p. 158)


The tattooist, shaman or the occult priest many times uses the tattoo as a point of contact, or inlets into the spiritual world. The tattoo is much more than just a body decoration. It’s more than just a layer of ink cut into the skin. In fact, the tattoo in every culture, in every country, up until the 20th century, was a vehicle for pagan spiritual and religious invocations. Even today, in many countries (including the United States), the tattoo is believed to be a bridge into the supernatural world.



Famous witch and author Laurie Cabot writes of the tattoo:

"The origins of tattooing came from ancient magical practices. . . "
(Laurie Cabot, Power of the Witch, cited in Masonic and Occult Symbols Illustrated by Dr. Cathy Burns, p. 301)



"According to Amy Krakow in her chronicle The Total Tattoo Book, ‘tattooing has had well-defined roles: marking a rite of passage at a stage of life, calling the spirits, proudly, defiantly or sneaky showing who you are via body art."
"Many native tribes practiced therapeutic tattooing. The Ojibwa, for instance, tattooed the temples, forehead, and cheeks of those suffering from headaches and toothaches that were believed to be caused by malevolent spirits. Songs and dances that were supposed to exorcise the demons accompanied the tattooing ceremony."
(Gilbert, Steve, Tattoo History: A Source Book, p. 90)

"Tattooing is about personalizing the body, making it a true home and fit temple for the spirit that dwells inside it. . . Tattooing therefore, is a way of keeping the spiritual and material needs of my body in balance."
(Michelle Delio, Tattoo: The Exotic Art of Skin Decoration, p. 8)


Among today’s latest tattoo craze is "tribal tattoos", which are pure paganism. Tribal tattoos are designs that bear serious symbolic mystical and occult meanings. Tribal tattoos, especially, are possible channels into spiritual and demonic possession.



"When the designs are chosen with care, tattoos have a power and magic all their own. They decorate the body but they also enhance the soul."

(Michelle Delio, Tattoo: The Exotic Art of Skin Decoration, p. 13)

"The reasons why puncturing the skin should be regarded with some degree of awe are not far to seek, for in the first place, there is the drawing of blood, which to the savage world over is full of significance as a rejuvenating and immortalizing factor. There is in addition to the opening of numerous inlets for evil to enter. . ."
(Hambly Wilfrid D. 1925. The History of Tattooing and its Significance, p. 233, cited in Gilbert, Steve, Tattoo History: A Source Book, p. 162)



Rolling Stone magazine describes famous tattoo artist Paul Booth during his tattoo as, ". . . allowing his clients' demons to help guide the needle." (Rolling Stone magazine, March 28, 2002, p. 40) "Burmese tattooing has been associated with religion for thousands of years. Tattooing among indigenous North American groups including the Arapaho, Mohave, Cree, and Inuit (Eskimo) is rooted in the spiritual realm as well."
(Laura Reybold, Everything you need to know about the dangers of tattooing and body piercing, p. 15)

"Skulls imprinted on skin abound, and depictions of the Grim Reaper are commonly seen. . . These images, indelibly marked on the skin, reflect uncertainty about the future, and sublimate the pervasive fear of the unknown. Possibly, at the same time, to wear a death’s figure on one’s body may be an invocation of whatever undefinable forces of nature and the cosmos that exist, in an attempt to protect the wearer from such a fate."
(Henry Ferguson and Lynn Procter, The Art of the Tattoo, p. 76)




I couldn't agree more

[Behe's Boy]

The tattoo has NEVER been associated with Bible Believing Christians. And whenever and wherever, in history Christianity appears – tattoos disappear. The only exception -- 20th century, lukewarm, carnal, disobedient, Laodicean Christians.





I completely agree....

(kind of like when Christianity appeared in the 1st century - so did Sabbath day worship on Saturday...)

[Bloomin' Pyro]

Can someone (like TasMan) explain why God has a tattoo? Revelation 19:16

The tense used for the word grapho is the perfect tense, meaning that it is PERMANENT. His name is PERMANENTLY written on His thigh. Meaning it's there now, it's always been there, and it always will be.

Similarly, His followers have tattoos. Revelation 14:1. Same word, same tense. :)

Care to swing that one, Tas?

[TasManOfGod]

Can someone (like TasMan) explain why God has a tattoo? Revelation 19:16

The tense used for the word grapho is the perfect tense, meaning that it is PERMANENT. His name is PERMANENTLY written on His thigh. Meaning it's there now, it's always been there, and it always will be.

Similarly, His followers have tattoos. Revelation 14:1. Same word, same tense. :)

Care to swing that one, Tas?
Maybe it was Roman protocol to mark a person they were to crucify Do you know for sure that is not the case? After all Jesus will also bear the other marks of Himself becoming sin for us like the holes in His body. Perhaps that might be a clue that tattoos and holes will also be on our resurrected bodies (if we so desire them) eh? As for the Father name on the 144000 well maybe that is metaphor for identifying their belonging. Can you specifically tell me otherwise?

[Shannonkish]

That's a whole lot of guessing for something you are so certain we are not supposed to have Tas.

[FrozenGnome]

i have a tattoo and plan on getting some more. i personally dont think that its a bad thing to get tattoos. like its been mentioned in other posts, it all depends on the type of tattoo, and the people that are getting them do need to realize that they are permanent. my wife is in seminary school right now to become a pastor, she has two tattoos. it all depends on the mindset of the individual.

[Bloomin' Pyro]

Can you specifically tell me otherwise?

I could ask you the same question, but that would be throwing pearls at a pig.

Ya'll know my view on it. I'm done. :sigh:

[akolouthein]

Heres my take on it. If you are a Christian and consider doing anything permanent to your body I believe you should pray about it above all things. Opinions are like elbows....you know the rest. I've found on issues like this there are some people who just disagree with something because they do not like it and will try to pull any scripture out of God's word and try to twist it to mean whatever they like. I prefer the K.I.S.S approach to God's word. Keep It Simple Stupid. Does God's word specifially say you may not have a tatoo on your body? Then your judgement on the matter should lie in prayer. If you get a bad feeling about it or are hesitant at all after giving it serious prayer then I would say not to go through with it. Perhaps it's not a matter of the good Lord not wanting you to get one as it is that He knows later on you will regret it. If after serious prayer you feel totally fine about the tatoo then I say go for it. People might disagree but no one knows your heart and what God is saying to you but YOU.

[I'ddie4him]

Heres my take on it. If you are a Christian and consider doing anything permanent to your body I believe you should pray about it above all things. Opinions are like elbows....you know the rest. I've found on issues like this there are some people who just disagree with something because they do not like it and will try to pull any scripture out of God's word and try to twist it to mean whatever they like. I prefer the K.I.S.S approach to God's word. Keep It Simple Stupid. Does God's word specifially say you may not have a tatoo on your body? Then your judgement on the matter should lie in prayer. If you get a bad feeling about it or are hesitant at all after giving it serious prayer then I would say not to go through with it. Perhaps it's not a matter of the good Lord not wanting you to get one as it is that He knows later on you will regret it. If after serious prayer you feel totally fine about the tatoo then I say go for it. People might disagree but no one knows your heart and what God is saying to you but YOU.

Very insightful and wise words.

Perhaps the condemnation factor should be left at the side of the road.
It has no use here and is only causing more problems.

[I'ddie4him]

I could ask you the same question, but that would be throwing pearls at a pig.

Ya'll know my view on it. I'm done. :sigh:

All I can say is that Picking and choosing scripture to live by or not live by is a pasttime that several seem to enjoy.

The scribes and pharisees did the same thing.
There are 613 laws in the bible and Do we keep ALL of them everyday ????
Thats my .02 cents worth.
This should end the entire argument based on Leviticus and the slippery slope fallacies.

[Bloomin' Pyro]

All I can say is that Picking and choosing scripture to live by or not live by is a pasttime that several seem to enjoy.

The scribes and pharisees did the same thing.
There are 613 laws in the bible and Do we keep ALL of them everyday ????
Thats my .02 cents worth.
This should end the entire argument based on Leviticus and the slippery slope fallacies.

What this boils down to is the fact that some people like tattoos, and some people don't. Levitical law has squat to do with it.

So let's stop arguing, yeah?

[I'ddie4him]

What this boils down to is the fact that some people like tattoos, and some people don't. Levitical law has squat to do with it.

So let's stop arguing, yeah?

:amen:
Exactly, Thank you for that. You beat me to it.:thumbsup:
I am not ashamed of the ones I have and never will be.

[A New Dawn]

:amen:
Exactly, Thank you for that. You beat me to it.:thumbsup:
I am not ashamed of the ones I have and never will be.
Here! Here!

[Seaioth]

No, cuz whatever does not come from faith is sin ;-)

But honestly, regarding tatoos, it is unclean to me. what mark your body, even if its with John 3:16 or some graphic of the cross, or trinitarian symbol... no graven images... One could obviously argue that Charles Spurgeon smoked cigars and was bad for his temple... and then turn it around a say that the passage meant in the spiritual aspect =D... lol
but use your own discretion and don't advocate others to do goes against their conscience (Romans 14)

Everything is permissible but not everything is beneficial. Everything is
permissible, but not everything is constructive. (I Corinthians 10:23)

http://www.machinima.com/films.php?id=328 Red vs Blue: To Tattoo or No...

[Shannonkish]

No, cuz whatever does not come from faith is sin ;-)

Can we have some scriptural support for this, please? Thanks.

[I'ddie4him]

No, cuz whatever does not come from faith is sin ;-)

But honestly, regarding tatoos, it is unclean to me. what mark your body, even if its with John 3:16 or some graphic of the cross, or trinitarian symbol... no graven images... One could obviously argue that Charles Spurgeon smoked cigars and was bad for his temple... and then turn it around a say that the passage meant in the spiritual aspect =D... lol
but use your own discretion and don't advocate others to do goes against their conscience (Romans 14)

Everything is permissible but not everything is beneficial. Everything is
permissible, but not everything is constructive. (I Corinthians 10:23)

http://www.machinima.com/films.php?id=328 Red vs Blue: To Tattoo or No...


I'll second that motion, Scriptural backing please or refrain from comment. :wave:

[earringguy]

I look at this topic from several perspectives. First let me make clear - I'm older, tattooing among my generation is much less common than it is among younger generations today. Most folks in my age group got their tattoos either when they were impaired, in the service or both. At least 50% of my daughter's friends, mostly Christians, have tattoos (could be more) - some to the degree that you see little bare skin. One of Hannah's favorite hangouts - a tattoo parlor in Bowling Green.

If one believes that the body is a temple - and I do - then why would one want to mar the creation God fearfully and wonderfully made? Would you want someone permanently spraypainting graffiti on the house of the Lord?

I also think there's a 2nd commandment issue involved here. Tattoos can be honestly described as graven images.

Historically, when Christians went into an area where tattooing was a common practice - those who were converted stopped the tattooing. Baptism took the place of the tattoos.

Then there's the nurse in me - tattoos aren't without their risks. Licensing can be iffy, most of the dyes aren't FDA approved. I've seen reports of folks developing melanoma at tatoo sites. Not to mention the various forms of hepatitis.

Now the nurse and mom in me has always used the last reason in talking to my daughter about tattoos, I generally refer to it as self-mutilation (on the same line as cutting). When I actually took the time to explain the first 3 reasons to her - she thought for a while, said "gee, so people aren't just being legalistic, there's Scripture there" and (I believe) ultimately agreed with me. Of course, she still is friends with all the kids with tattoos (not that I would expect her not to be).

Okay so:

what about a woman with a tattoo of the name of an unsuitable ex-boyfriend? She gets converted and instead of 'Bill', she has the tattoo changed to say 'Bible', or something.

It's not what you might choose to do.

But in the circumsances it would be a bit hard to criticize, wouldn't it?

Take care.

[myways]

Leviticus 19:28 prohibits tattooing. But Leviticus also prohibits the eating of unclean foods, which Jesus retracted when He said that "it is what comes out of a man's body which makes him unclean."
If you asked Him, "What about what is put on the body as opposed to what's put in the body?" What would He say?
Would He say, "Oh yeah, I forgot, it is what comes out of the body and tattoos and piercings that make a man unclean." Or would He say "Are you seriously unsure of where to classify tattooing between the things a man eats, and the things he does? And will you ask me next whether a beetle is more akin to a gnat or a camel?"

I think the application of Christ's retraction of the purity laws to the issue of tattoos is pretty clear.
Also, if you read the very prior verse in leviticus, it states that a man shall not cut the corners of his beard. What then are the legalists to say about their clean shaven faces?

Thanks,
Dave Davis

[stone]

Jesus never ate shellfish or pork ya know.

When i was in highschool, a friend of mine had saved up his money to get his 1st tattoo. He was anxious to get it done. At the time, his girlfriend, did not go with us to get it, a good thing. Sose, he picks out the american eagle, with the wings open holding a banner with its talons, really kool looking.

Actually, i think it was 2 seperate trips to get it done, one for the outline and one for the color??? could be wrong, was a long time ago.

He was going to put his girlfriends name in the banner, i told him that he shouldn't do that. He didn't and a few months later he dumped his girlfriend, at the time. She was angry at him too for not putting her name on his arm, but i told him to tell her he'll do it after they got married. that worked too. His mom was happy about the name thing too.

I haven't talked to him in awhile, but last he said he was going to put his daughters name in the banner. To each his own, but i wouldn't dare desecrate my body in such a way.

As far as scripture goes, i've seen it in this thread a few times. Leviticus is a good place for the lawless to begin.

[I'ddie4him]

There is a point here. Leviticus does not have anything to do with tattoos.
Not unless you want to keep all of the other 613 laws in the Bible.
Simply put, You keep one, Keep them ALL.
Otherwise you are guilty of Sin by NOT keeping them.

[seekingpurity047]

Don't care about tattoos... i wouldn't get one.

Randy

[Seaioth]

Can we have some scriptural support for this, please? Thanks.
Note the quasi-joke by the way it is exposited... needless to say, reference is:


Rom.14:23

[I'ddie4him]

Note the quasi-joke by the way it is exposited... needless to say, reference is:


Rom.14:23


So sorry. Has nothing to do with this subject. Care to try again ??

[Jabbok]

I got a tattoo when I was 17. I was in basic training in the army, stationed at Ft. Polk, Louisiana.

My tattoo is just a heart with a ribbon around it. There is no name in the ribbon.

I've considered having my anniversary date placed in the ribbon because I can never remember what year I was married. I remember 9/24 but not the year.

I've also considered placing my sons birthdates above and below the heart in the other sections of ribbon. I remember their months and days but frequently forget the years.

I think some tattoos are attractive. I think I would consider a tattoo before I would pierce my tongue or lip or some place on my face. I've often thought of getting an ear pierced but the one time I approached it, in the mall, I chickened out.

[I'ddie4him]

I have several myself.
Never got any flack over them til I came here and was attacked hundreds of times by a few select members who can't keep from judging others.

[Bob Moore]

I am curious to hear what the rest of you think about tattoos. I was raised to believe that Christians just shouldn't get them, but no reason was ever presented. It seems to be along the same line of thought that Christians shouldn't drink, dance, smoke or play cards to me. In place of such rules, I am more of the mind that if the inside of the cup is clean, the whole cup is clean, but would appreciate any input offered by the members of this forum.

It is not the same thing at all. Many of the things that certain churches forbid are not addressed in scripture. Let me give an example { one of dozens possible }. Card playing. Card playing is no where mentioned in scripture. How then do men take upon themselves the authority of God and forbid it? Easy. It is the idea of 'good intentions'. Because some people might abuse the freedom they have in Christ by falling into gambling men make rules forbidding such things. All such rulings fall under the heading of legalism, which by definition is the prohibition of anything about which God has not commented. We are free in Christ to enjoy the pleasures of life. But we are not free to abuse that freedom. It is overzealousness to prevent such abuses that delude men into thinking that their rules will have a greater effect on behavior than God's rules. Another way of looking at it is that some men think that somehow God failed to make Himself plain so they will help Him out with some rules clarification. I could comment at some length on such behavior, but I will restrain myself.

Is tattooing something that a Christian should consider?

This is a different case. God has specifically forbidden it.

Leviticus 19:28, Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

There is nothing ambiguous about this command. It matters not in the least that we, as mere men, might see no harm in it. For reasons pleasing to Himself, which He has not seen fit to explain to us, God plainly says "don't do it". That ought to be sufficient for his people.

[Bob Moore]

I have read several comments with regard to Levitical law. The gist of it is that we should just ignore it and do as we please since that law is for the Jews.

Sorry, folks, that isn't how it is.

The ceremonial laws, the dietary laws, and certain other such things do not apply to Christians. HOWEVER, Christians are not immune to God's magesterial law in the smallest matter.

If the matter of tatooing seems small to you, I suggest that you consider Who it is that said "do not do it".

This is not to say that tatoos gotten in ignorance are going to condemn anyone. Certainly not. But it does say to the Christian, whose focus and desire is obedience, that it is not something to be considered..

[I'ddie4him]

In have read several comments with regard to Levitical law. The gist of it is that we should just ignore it and do as we please since that law is for the Jews.

Sorry, folks, that isn't how it is.

The ceremonial laws, the dietary laws, and certain other such things do not apply to Christians. HOWEVER, Christians are not immune to God's magesterial law in the smallest matter.

If the matter of tatooing seems small to you, I suggest that you consider Who it is that said "do not do it".

This is not to say that tatoos gotten in ignorance are going to condemn anyone. Certainly not. But it does say to the Christian, whose focus and desire is obedience, that it is not something to be considered..

I'll repeat it again, Levitical law has nothing to do with todays society.
Try again.

[Bob Moore]

I'll repeat it again, Levitical law has nothing to do with todays society.
Try again.

Sorry. That is just wrong. God has said what He has said, and with the previously noted exceptions, His decrees still carry full force and effect. If you do not wish to accept that fact, fine. I do not require that you do.

In my several decades of teaching reformed doctrine I have noticed that God's law is perfectly acceptable to most people. Right up to where it collides with personal desire. At that point the most common objection is usually something to the effect that "that is Levitical law and does not apply". Or "that is Old Testament, and does not apply". What that tells me is that the heart behind such comments is not well informed concerning the nature of God.

Consider this. Leviticus was written by Moses. So was Exodus. In Exodus 20 we have the presentation of the Ten Commandments. Who would claim that they do not apply today? Certainly no Christian or Jew would. One might as well claim that murder is acceptable because the prohibition against it is "only old testament". Such a claim would be fatuous. So too are all claims that dismiss God's magesterial law on those grounds.

I am not the one who needs to try again....

[I'ddie4him]

Sorry. That is just wrong. God has said what He has said, and with the previously noted exceptions, His decrees still carry full force and effect. If you do not wish to accept that fact, fine. I do not require that you do.

In my several decades of teaching reformed doctrine I have noticed that God's law is perfectly acceptable to most people. Right up to where it collides with personal desire. At that point the most common objection is usually something to the effect that "that is Levitical law and does not apply". Or "that is Old Testament, and does not apply". What that tells me is that the heart behind such comments is not well informed concerning the nature of God.

Consider this. Leviticus was written by Moses. So was Exodus. In Exodus 20 we have the presentation of the Ten Commandments. Who would claim that they do not apply today? Certainly no Christian or Jew would. One might as well claim that murder is acceptable because the prohibition against it is "only old testament". Such a claim would be fatuous. So too are all claims that dismiss God's magesterial law on those grounds.

I am not the one who needs to try again....

Note bolded text above.

The One and the SAME God who said "See, I have imprinted you on the palm of my hand." ??

This a direct statement to MARKINGS ???
Try again.

[Behe's Boy]

As I stated in an earlier post here - the bottom line for me and the tatoos that I have boils down to "vanity." Sure they are Christian in nature, sure they can be a conversation piece that leads to evangelism - but in reality - all they were really about was to make myself noticible more than Christ. Now when someone asks me about my tatoos I will usually explain this error in judgement on my part and point to his mercy and grace when describing my own stupidity in having them.

[TasManOfGod]

As I stated in an earlier post here - the bottom line for me and the tatoos that I have boils down to "vanity." Sure they are Christian in nature, sure they can be a conversation piece that leads to evangelism - but in reality - all they were really about was to make myself noticible more than Christ. Now when someone asks me about my tatoos I will usually explain this error in judgement on my part and point to his mercy and grace when describing my own stupidity in having them.
May God increase His blessings upon you

[Bob Moore]

Note bolded text above.

The One and the SAME God who said "See, I have imprinted you on the palm of my hand." ??

This a direct statement to MARKINGS ???
Try again.

It seems that you do not know the difference between a direct command and a symbolic statement. Perhaps you are trying to justify yourself. Don't bother. You can't.

[I'ddie4him2]

It seems that you do not know the difference between a direct command and a symbolic statement. Perhaps you are trying to justify yourself. Don't bother. You can't.


Care to take another try ???
The scripture In Leviticus was about making CUTTINGS AND MARKINGS for the DEAD. A PAGAN ritual.
It did not pertain To Tattoos as they are today. Try reading the scripture again.
Bye.

[Bob Moore]

Care to take another try ???
The scripture In Leviticus was about making CUTTINGS AND MARKINGS for the DEAD. A PAGAN ritual.
It did not pertain To Tattoos as they are today. Try reading the scripture again.
Bye.

God's commands do not alter with time no matter how much one might wish them to.

Herewith some learned commentary:

From JFB,

nor print any marks upon you--by tattooing, imprinting figures of flowers, leaves, stars, and other fanciful devices on various parts of their person. The impression was made sometimes by means of a hot iron, sometimes by ink or paint, as is done by the Arab females of the present day and the different castes of the Hindus. It is probable that a strong propensity to adopt such marks in honor of some idol gave occasion to the prohibition in this verse; and they were wisely forbidden, for they were signs of apostasy; and, when once made, they were insuperable obstacles to a return.

From Albert Barnes,

Print any marks - Tattooing was probably practiced in ancient Egypt, as it is now by the lower classes of the modern Egyptians, and was connected with superstitious notions. Any voluntary disfigurement of the person was in itself an outrage upon God’s workmanship, and might well form the subject of a law.


Frankly, I do not care if you, or anyone else, covers their body with tattoos. You are quite free to dismiss that command out of hand if it suits you to. But I have to wonder what other of God's commands are dismissed simply because of personal preference.

[I'ddie4him2]

God's commands do not alter with time no matter how much one might wish them to.

Herewith some learned commentary:

From JFB,

nor print any marks upon you--by tattooing, imprinting figures of flowers, leaves, stars, and other fanciful devices on various parts of their person. The impression was made sometimes by means of a hot iron, sometimes by ink or paint, as is done by the Arab females of the present day and the different castes of the Hindus. It is probable that a strong propensity to adopt such marks in honor of some idol gave occasion to the prohibition in this verse; and they were wisely forbidden, for they were signs of apostasy; and, when once made, they were insuperable obstacles to a return.

From Albert Barnes,

Print any marks - Tattooing was probably practiced in ancient Egypt, as it is now by the lower classes of the modern Egyptians, and was connected with superstitious notions. Any voluntary disfigurement of the person was in itself an outrage upon God’s workmanship, and might well form the subject of a law.


Frankly, I do not care if you, or anyone else, covers their body with tattoos. You are quite free to dismiss that command out of hand if it suits you to. But I have to wonder what other of God's commands are dismissed simply because of personal preference.


Personally, I care not for any commentary other than my Matthew Henry.
As for misinterpreting scripture, Be my guest. Join the crowd I guess.

[Bob Moore]

Observation:

Some folks just will not have exegesis that calls dearly held personal beliefs into question. It does not seem to matter what the Word actually says. What matters is what they want it say. Well, that has been the case from the beginning, and will be the case until the Lord returns. It is no surprise.

Further deponent sayeth not.

[5pointCalvinist]

I would like to address what I have seen in this thread so far. I see some people who are defending tatoos, saying that some are "Christian" and pleasing to God. If you think an image of Jesus or anything in Heaven is pleasing to God, you really need to read the 2nd Commandment. It is found in Exodus 20:4-6, and is as follows:

"You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments."- NIV

Obviously, if you think your tat of something like Jesus, The Cross, or other "Christian things", The Bible deems them as idols, which are definitely sins.

[I'ddie4him2]

I would like to address what I have seen in this thread so far. I see some people who are defending tatoos, saying that some are "Christian" and pleasing to God. If you think an image of Jesus or anything in Heaven is pleasing to God, you really need to read the 2nd Commandment. It is found in Exodus 20:4-6, and is as follows:

"You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments."- NIV

Obviously, if you think your tat of something like Jesus, The Cross, or other "Christian things", The Bible deems them as idols, which are definitely sins.


Sounds just like something another member would say.
Again, Assuming to know what they mean.

Sorry, But, Mine are NOT graven images nor do I treat them as such.
Assuming goes a long way towards being wrong.

[Behe's Boy]

I would like to address what I have seen in this thread so far. I see some people who are defending tatoos, saying that some are "Christian" and pleasing to God. If you think an image of Jesus or anything in Heaven is pleasing to God, you really need to read the 2nd Commandment. It is found in Exodus 20:4-6, and is as follows:

"You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments."- NIV

Obviously, if you think your tat of something like Jesus, The Cross, or other "Christian things", The Bible deems them as idols, which are definitely sins.

Very good point - studying these verses ultimately led me down the path to realizing that tatoos are something that we as Christians should probably avoid. I like the King James translation better than the NIV in this case:

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."

I'm the last person that needs be pointing out the sins of tatooing - seeing as how I have a few of them myself - but I will say that I was wrong to get them and I strongly encourage anyone thinking of getting one to not go through with it. All you are doing is making an attempt to conform to the world. It is a practice that is more "self-glorifying" than "God-glorifying" and yells out to those around you: "Hey - look at me! Aren't I cool?"

[TasManOfGod]

I'm the last person that needs be pointing out the sins of tatooing - seeing as how I have a few of them myself - but I will say that I was wrong to get them and I strongly encourage anyone thinking of getting one to not go through with it. All you are doing is making an attempt to conform to the world. It is a practice that is more "self-glorifying" than "God-glorifying" and yells out to those around you: "Hey - look at me! Aren't I cool?"
Again I congratulate you . Please young people who are thinking about marking God's creation for eternity - read the confession of this man

[I'ddie4him]

I wonder if one is Pentacostal, Why are they invading the Calvanist forum ??

Gotta keep up with the judgement ??

[ps139]

I would like to address what I have seen in this thread so far. I see some people who are defending tatoos, saying that some are "Christian" and pleasing to God. If you think an image of Jesus or anything in Heaven is pleasing to God, you really need to read the 2nd Commandment. It is found in Exodus 20:4-6, and is as follows:

"You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments."- NIV

Obviously, if you think your tat of something like Jesus, The Cross, or other "Christian things", The Bible deems them as idols, which are definitely sins.
Is a magnet in the shape of a fish on the back of someone's car an idol?

Do you believe that there can be an idol which is not worshipped??

[I'ddie4him]

Is a magnet in the shape of a fish on the back of someone's car an idol?

Do you believe that there can be an idol which is not worshipped??

Excellent point bill.
I have oft wondered about the little plastic Jesus figurines that folks use to attach to the dashboard of their cars. Does this also fall into this category ??

Maybe even the angel on top of the Christmas tree ??

[TasManOfGod]

Having a pentacostal icon does not nominate you to a specific denomination but signifies how you serve God

[I'ddie4him]

Yup, Knew it was the judgement thing.

[5pointCalvinist]

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Is a magnet in the shape of a fish on the back of someone's car an idol?

Do you believe that there can be an idol which is not worshipped??




Sorry, I didn't make myself clear when I said "Christian things". I meant images of Jesus, God, Heaven, The Holy Spirit, and the like. Yes I would say the Jesus Bobblehead and Jesus is my Homeboy shirts go in there as well. Fish magnets are fine, they are not images of Jesus or anything above.

Here's something to think about also. Many of us have seen the movie "The Passion of The Christ" and other movies depicting the life and ministry of Jesus Christ. This may sound weird but follow me here. These movies can also be stumbling blocks to us as Christians, because they make an image of Jesus Christ, and that image sticks in our heads and can create an idol or stumbling block. Now when many of us imagine what Jesus looks like, many picture Jim Caveezle (spelling unsure) one who appears to be European Caucasian, when Jesus was born in Israel, and historically people back then did not look like White Europeans.

Thanks to movies like that we paint pictures of what we think Jesus looks like. The truth is we don't know what he looks like.

An idol can be something that is not nesecarilly (spell check) openly worshipped. A wooden cross can be an idol if you bow down to it, especially if it is a crucifix. The image of the cross can become an idol, especially these days when I see many Non- Christians wearing a jeweled or flashy cross necklace as a fashion item ( see most rap videos today). You then can be unconciously giving praise to an idol instead of Christ.

All I am saying is be careful when dealing with these things or they can become stumbling blocks. I saw Passion of the Christ and it is ok. Crosses are fine to wear, don't say I said not to wear one.

[I'ddie4him]

Obviously, if you think your tat of something like Jesus, The Cross, or other "Christian things", The Bible deems them as idols, which are definitely sins.
Is a magnet in the shape of a fish on the back of someone's car an idol?

Do you believe that there can be an idol which is not worshipped??





Sorry, I didn't make myself clear when I said "Christian things". I meant images of Jesus, God, Heaven, The Holy Spirit, and the like. Yes I would say the Jesus Bobblehead and Jesus is my Homeboy shirts go in there as well. Fish magnets are fine, they are not images of Jesus or anything above.

Here's something to think about also. Many of us have seen the movie "The Passion of The Christ" and other movies depicting the life and ministry of Jesus Christ. This may sound weird but follow me here. These movies can also be stumbling blocks to us as Christians, because they make an image of Jesus Christ, and that image sticks in our heads and can create an idol or stumbling block. Now when many of us imagine what Jesus looks like, many picture Jim Caveezle (spelling unsure) one who appears to be European Caucasian, when Jesus was born in Israel, and historically people back then did not look like White Europeans.

Thanks to movies like that we paint pictures of what we think Jesus looks like. The truth is we don't know what he looks like.

An idol can be something that is not nesecarilly (spell check) openly worshipped. A wooden cross can be an idol if you bow down to it, especially if it is a crucifix. The image of the cross can become an idol, especially these days when I see many Non- Christians wearing a jeweled or flashy cross necklace as a fashion item ( see most rap videos today). You then can be unconciously giving praise to an idol instead of Christ.

All I am saying is be careful when dealing with these things or they can become stumbling blocks. I saw Passion of the Christ and it is ok. Crosses are fine to wear, don't say I said not to wear one.


I have been around nearly twice as long as you, Showing you are 22 for your age.

I have formed my own image of what Christ looked like BASED on what the Bible says. Not from movies or anything of the like.

As for a Cross or Crucifix, Ever wonder why the RC Priest bows before the Cross behind the altar ??

To pay homage or bow before an IDOL ???

If this is the line of thinking that is prevalent in todays society, It scares me to think what further brainwashing is coming.

[Bob Moore]

It would behoove almost all of the opinionists in this thread to find out what the Scriptures actually say. Never mind personal opinion about what someone wants them to say.

[I'ddie4him]

It would behoove almost all of the opinionists in this thread to find out what the Scriptures actually say. Never mind personal opinion about what someone wants them to say.

I thought you were leaving, According to your LAST post, You said, Further deponent sayeth not.

BYE !!
Take the judging with you when you leave.

[TasManOfGod]

When Christians make reference to what God says in His word It is not "judging" but simply enlightening somebody to the truth. Is not "all of Scripture given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction and for instruction in righteousness "(2 Tim 3:16) ?

[I'ddie4him]

I get all the enlightenment I need from my bible. Serves me very well.

[oworm]

Im in the process of having my tattoo removed by lazer treatment. For any who already have tattoos,if you thought getting one was painful you ought to try getting it removed by lazer!! http://www.voidedwarranty.com/forum/images/smilies/new_Eyecrazy.gif http://www.voidedwarranty.com/forum/images/smilies/new_cussing.gif http://www.voidedwarranty.com/forum/images/smilies/instagib.gif

[pinkieposies]

Im in the process of having my tattoo removed by lazer treatment. For any who already have tattoos,if you thought getting one was painful you ought to try getting it removed by lazer!! http://www.voidedwarranty.com/forum/images/smilies/new_Eyecrazy.gif http://www.voidedwarranty.com/forum/images/smilies/new_cussing.gif http://www.voidedwarranty.com/forum/images/smilies/instagib.gif

Haha! :D I have one tattoo I got right after my 18th birthday, but it is somewhere inconspicuous; It's on my upper back so I can't even see it anyway. I don't think I would ever put myself through that. If I ever get to the point where I regret getting it I will probably just try to pretend it doesn't exist.

But I like it. I've actually thought about getting another, but it's something my husband and I must discuss first. I don't think there is anything wrong with tattoos themselves, but I also think it depends upon the "what" and "why" and "where" of it; The intent and the meaning can determine whether it can be tasteful or just plain trashy.

God Bless,
Erin

[Behe's Boy]

I have been around nearly twice as long as you, Showing you are 22 for your age.


Some of these young pups know their stuff - I wouldn't be so quick to discount what they say because of their age....

[TasManOfGod]

Im in the process of having my tattoo removed by lazer treatment. For any who already have tattoos,if you thought getting one was painful you ought to try getting it removed by lazer!! http://www.voidedwarranty.com/forum/images/smilies/new_Eyecrazy.gif http://www.voidedwarranty.com/forum/images/smilies/new_cussing.gif http://www.voidedwarranty.com/forum/images/smilies/instagib.gifThanks for your enlightenment ;)

[flyingsaucer]

I have thought about getting a tatoo for the last few years. If I did I would get a cross with Saved By Grace written underneath it and I would put it on my shoulder blade. There are are a few reasons why I havent gotten one yet.
1. My parents would not approve. Even though I am 27, married, live on my own I still respect them and have no desire to offend them. :holy:
2. If I got one I would have to allow my wife to get one, and there nothing more unattractive than a women with a tatoo. If your a lady and you have a tatoo please dont get offended, its just my own personal feeling.
3. What will it look like when I am 80. That thought makes me shudder. :sick:

I know several people that I respect greatly that have tatoos, I do not look down on them for it. God convicts people differently, and I believe He can use anything that He deems to proclaim His glory (ex. flowers, singing, paintings, poems, etc...) Who am I to say what God will use to reach others.

Some people think crap is a curse word, others thing nothing of it. My mother hates it, and so do I . My father sees nothing wrong and uses it often. I cant jugde Him because of my own personal convictions.

I do believe that we have a high standard to live by, and that we are called to be separate. I am just not convinced that a tatoo is bodily mutilation.

It seems to me that If you want to attack someone for having a tatoo, then you have to attack someone who wears earrings and makeup. I sure many would turn there nose up to a nostril ring, but in Song of Soloman it is used as an ornament of beauty. Culture plays such a huge part on what we perceive to be right and wrong.

Anyway, thats just my thoughts and opinion. For anyone who is thinking about getting a tatoo I would advise some serious prayer.

Thanks for hearing me out.:clap: