Jesus the Ark

[lismore]

Hi there:wave:

Has anyone noticed the parralel between Noah's Ark and Jesus?

There was a time of judgement coming.

There were people who were told to preach that there was a time of judgement coming- the bible says Noah preached for 120 years and yet made no converts. However he still needed to speak out what the Lord had told him. We today have a commission to speak out and warn everyone that this world will not last and that one day everyone will stand before God. Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

In Noahs day the ONLY way to escape was to get on the Ark, to quote Frank Sinatra there was no 'I did it my way' there was only God's way. Today Jesus is the way the truth and the life: once again it is only God's way and there is only one 'ARK' that is Jesus. If you do not enter via Jesus then you have not entered.

Now, when the door of the ark closed and the rain came down it was too late to get on the ARK, the same today, One day the opportunity will be gone. We have an urgent and pressing need to make Jesus known to the people, to lift Jesus higher that he might draw all men unto himself. Because one day the last soul will be saved and this door of grace will close, leaving the judgement of God.

Let us make the most of everyday to witness in any way we can and to whoever we can. Seeds sown can take root, but seeds left on the shelf cannot.

God Bless

Lismore:amen:

[jillpole]

Wow I never thought about it that way. Thats neat.

[RP1000]

yes very good !!!

one could take it further ??? (maybe?)

We (the Christians) had trails before the judgement but when the serious judgement came the Christians were take out of the picture

a hint of the Rapture?

[Asaph]

Great post.

I also like this part of the story.

Gen 7:15-16
15 And they went into the ark to Noah, two by two, of all flesh in which is the breath of life. 16 So those that entered, male and female of all flesh, went in as God had commanded him; and the LORD shut him in.
NKJV

The ark was sealed against leakage with pitch. Isn't pitch sort of like the blood of a tree?

Eph 1:13-14
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
NKJV


Asaph

[gtsecc]

The Church has always taught that the ARK is a typology of the Church.
This is esily seen in the early Christian writing.

[lismore]

The Church has always taught that the ARK is a typology of the Church.
This is esily seen in the early Christian writing.

Hi gtsecc:wave:

I hope you are well.

I think it might fit it neater with Jesus though, because he is the only way to salvation and to God whereas the Church is in that ARK but cannot be the ARK itself because it is not the means of salvation but formed out of people that have been saved.

Do you agree?

God Bless

Lismore:)

[gtsecc]

Yes and no.
The Church has always said they are the way because of Christ.

[Harlan Norris]

Yes, I see that if we have faith in Jesus Christ we will be saved from death, just as Noah was.

[gtsecc]

Ultimately is is Christ who redeems everything.
The Church is the vehicle.
Churches sometimes even look like an Ark.
To miss that point is to ignore the last 2000 years of Christian writing.

[The Lord is my banner]

I think it might fit it neater with Jesus though, because he is the only way to salvation and to God whereas the Church is in that ARK but cannot be the ARK itself because it is not the means of salvation but formed out of people that have been saved.


I agree Lismore.

The Church cannot save us - we are the Church, and we cannot save ourselves; our religion, our buildings, our own righteousness, laws, traditions and teachings, cannot save us.

Jesus is the ark, we are the rescued ones within.
We are the Church; we are those who are hidden in Christ.


How great He is!

Ex. 33:22 When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by.

God bless, love Susana

[gtsecc]

bah...
The Boat did not save Noah, his obedience and faith did, never the less, God instructed him to make a boat and that was the vehicle which saved him. Jesus is not an in animate object made of wood. In either case Christian writers have always connected the Ark to the Ark of the covenant, to the Tabernacle, to the Church. You can't just read the Bible and make up your own ideas can you? I suppose you can, but you would have ideas that either complemented the writings of church fathers or conflict. Generally when someone's ideas conflict with church fathers we say the person, not the Church father is wrong in their understanding.

[The Lord is my banner]

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[Asaph]

Ultimately is is Christ who redeems everything.
The Church is the vehicle.
Churches sometimes even look like an Ark.
To miss that point is to ignore the last 2000 years of Christian writing.

The organization you are calling the church has never been anything but a hindrence to walking with Christ. The bible is clear that the "church" is actually the members of the body of Christ. No organization deserves nor takes that title.

Asaph

[gtsecc]

The organization you are calling the church has never been anything but a hindrence to walking with Christ. The bible is clear that the "church" is actually the members of the body of Christ. No organization deserves nor takes that title.

Asaph
Maybe you are correct, but that is obviously not the position I hold.
Not to argue one over the other, but I do think it is important to realize that at least for the first 1,000 years no christians held the belief you are proposing.

[The Lord is my banner]

The organization you are calling the church has never been anything but a hindrence to walking with Christ. The bible is clear that the "church" is actually the members of the body of Christ. No organization deserves nor takes that title.

Asaph
:amen:
Well put Asaph.

Blessings, love Susana

[Asaph]

Maybe you are correct, but that is obviously not the position I hold.
Not to argue one over the other, but I do think it is important to realize that at least for the first 1,000 years no christians held the belief you are proposing.

I am impressed with the graciousness of your response. Thank you for that.

Correct me if I am wrong, but for the first 1000 years, the church organization you attend didn't even exist (I am merely going by the icon you display on your posts) . Wasn't it after the great reformation that the Angilcan church came into being? My point is, if I were a member of an organization that had become so irretrevably corrupt that I felt I must leave that organization in order to worship in truth, I would not afterwards make the statement that "all christians" through history believed this or that. That's not to say I would reject all historic Christian writers nor the things they wrote, but it is to say that they will all be filtered through the revealed word of God, the bible. (And that alone). In fact, I would recommend that for any writings whether historic or contemporary. :)

One other thing, in a previous post you said that the ark of the covenant was also symbolic of the church. I greatly disagree with that. I believe the ark of the covenant is symbolic of the individual Spirit filled believer. :thumbsup: :)

Asaph

[The Lord is my banner]

The Ark of Noah is the same Hebrew word as the basket Moses was hidden in.
The Ark of the covenenat is another word entirely.
Don't know if that helps any?

Sorry, it seems relevant, but I am not really making sense this morning. Just think about it or ignore it, as you will!

God bless, love Susana

[Asaph]

The Ark of Noah is the same Hebrew word as the basket Moses was hidden in.
The Ark of the covenenat is another word entirely.
Don't know if that helps any?

Sorry, it seems relevant, but I am not really making sense this morning. Just think about it or ignore it, as you will!

God bless, love Susana

This is true, but I'm not sure that it is significant.

Noah's ark:

OT:8392
tebah (tay-baw'); perhaps of foreign derivation; a box:

KJV - ark.


Mose's basket:

OT:8392
tebah (tay-baw'); perhaps of foreign derivation; a box:

KJV - ark.


The ark of the covenent:

OT:727
'arown (aw-rone'); or 'aron (aw-rone'); from OT:717 (in the sense of gathering); a box:

KJV - ark, chest, coffin.

The root word:

OT:717
'arah (aw-raw'); a primitive root; to pluck:

KJV - gather, pluck.

Asaph

[gtsecc]

I am impressed with the graciousness of your response. Thank you for that.

Correct me if I am wrong, but for the first 1000 years, the church organization you attend didn't even exist (I am merely going by the icon you display on your posts) .
No. The Church in England has existed since the turn of the second century or earlier. Legend says Joseph of Arimathea was the evangeliser.

Wasn't it after the great reformation that the Angilcan church came into being?
Not at all. It did effect the Church, but not very much initially. Even after making an agreement with Rome in 670's to follow their calendar, she never really came under the control of Rome or the Pope. The Church has been under the ArchBishop of Canturbury since 450AD.

My point is, if I were a member of an organization that had become so irretrevably corrupt that I felt I must leave that organization in order to worship in truth, I would not afterwards make the statement that "all christians" through history believed this or that.
I think you are makign 2 assumption that I don't make.
1. Anglicans left Rome.
No, we have always been independant. For a while there was some unity. Finally, after hundreds of years of ignoring their orders, they left us.

2. I think you are assuming the "Church" is Roman Catholic.
Anglicans, Roman Catholics, and Orthodox view the Church as one united group until 1054 in the East, and 1060 in England. So, for example we have a Church which is shared by the three because it was there before 1060.



That's not to say I would reject all historic Christian writers nor the things they wrote, but it is to say that they will all be filtered through the revealed word of God, the bible. (And that alone). In fact, I would recommend that for any writings whether historic or contemporary. :)
This would be a strange idea to Church Fathers who lived with Christ and the Apostles before most of the NT was written down and certainly hundreds of years before a Bible was compiled. Generally I don't think it makes sence to approach the Bible as something that can be in conflict with Church writings, especially before medevil Roman Catholicism. The Church spoke clearly in Councils, creeds, and the Bible. I think removing the Bible for that context, and ignoring the councils, creeds, and other writings, is ignoring some of what the Church was trying to tell us about Christ.

One other thing, in a previous post you said that the ark of the covenant was also symbolic of the church. I greatly disagree with that. I believe the ark of the covenant is symbolic of the individual Spirit filled believer. :thumbsup: :)

Asaph

The second person of the Trinity is how everything was made and redeemed. Christ closed the door on the Ark. The animals who arrived late are like the Virgins who arrived and missed the wedding banquet.

[Asaph]

Thanks for the history. I didn't know that.

I will still forever disagree with your subjugation of the bible to men or organizations of any type though.

Asaph

[Jimmy West]

Hi there:wave:

Has anyone noticed the parralel between Noah's Ark and Jesus?

There was a time of judgement coming.

There were people who were told to preach that there was a time of judgement coming- the bible says Noah preached for 120 years and yet made no converts. However he still needed to speak out what the Lord had told him. We today have a commission to speak out and warn everyone that this world will not last and that one day everyone will stand before God. Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

In Noahs day the ONLY way to escape was to get on the Ark, to quote Frank Sinatra there was no 'I did it my way' there was only God's way. Today Jesus is the way the truth and the life: once again it is only God's way and there is only one 'ARK' that is Jesus. If you do not enter via Jesus then you have not entered.

Now, when the door of the ark closed and the rain came down it was too late to get on the ARK, the same today, One day the opportunity will be gone. We have an urgent and pressing need to make Jesus known to the people, to lift Jesus higher that he might draw all men unto himself. Because one day the last soul will be saved and this door of grace will close, leaving the judgement of God.

Let us make the most of everyday to witness in any way we can and to whoever we can. Seeds sown can take root, but seeds left on the shelf cannot.

God Bless

Lismore:amen:

To emphasize how important this is, there are four people who I had witnessed to who are in Heaven today. These are friends and co-workwers whom I had lead in a "Sinners Prayer". They accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior. These four saints died and are now in Heaven. The youngest was 25 and the oldest 54. So think about this; If you don't speak to someone, maybe no one else will. The only failure is not trying.

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[lismore]

Thanks for the history. I didn't know that.

I will still forever disagree with your subjugation of the bible to men or organizations of any type though.

Asaph

Yes.

We interpret our views in line with God's word. We dont interpret God's word in line with our views.

;)

[Asaph]

Yes.

We interpret our views in line with God's word. We dont interpret God's word in line with our views.

;)

Absolutely. Amen.

Asaph

[perpendicular_bisector]

To emphasize how important this is, there are four people who I had witnessed to who are in Heaven today. These are friends and co-workwers whom I had lead in a "Sinners Prayer". They accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior. These four saints died and are now in Heaven. The youngest was 25 and the oldest 54. So think about this; If you don't speak to someone, maybe no one else will. The only failure is not trying.

Your words were very challenging and yet encouraging.

If we do not speak, who will? No-one else has our commisssion.

[Collum Cille of Iona]

The organization you are calling the church has never been anything but a hindrence to walking with Christ. The bible is clear that the "church" is actually the members of the body of Christ. No organization deserves nor takes that title.

Asaph

Greetings,

As our Lord said 'whoever is not against us is for us'. As someone posted we have Jesus in common.

Collum Cille.

[Asaph]

Greetings,

As our Lord said 'whoever is not against us is for us'. As someone posted we have Jesus in common.

Collum Cille.

Those of us who are members of the Body of Christ, well yes we do. :thumbsup:

Asaph

[king-priest]

I am familiar with ark of noah, and the ark of the covenant and the tabernacle, the chief cornerstone,the Lamb of God, all of which are a type of Christ. I say Christ because in Grk- Christ reflects the deity of God and Jesus relects the humanity of God.My pastor and his pastor taught of those doctrines. I love to find Christ in the old testament. Remember that in the Ot, they were taught using illustration and so there were many illustrations used to teach the messiah. Ever notice the similarity of love described through Abraham and his son Issacc? How he was willing to give up his only begotten son and sacrifice him. Issacc was obedient and did not want to die but willingly obeyed his father to be sacrificed because it was what God said to do. And how abraham answered his son upon the question of where is the offering. He said the LORD will provide His own offering. He referred to God's faithfulness and he was speaking of his son Issacc but God was teaching him by using his words (and teach us)of the obedience and willingness that His Son will have, Jesus Christ.

[lismore]

I am familiar with ark of noah, and the ark of the covenant and the tabernacle, the chief cornerstone,the Lamb of God, all of which are a type of Christ. I say Christ because in Grk- Christ reflects the deity of God and Jesus relects the humanity of God.My pastor and his pastor taught of those doctrines. I love to find Christ in the old testament. Remember that in the Ot, they were taught using illustration and so there were many illustrations used to teach the messiah. Ever notice the similarity of love described through Abraham and his son Issacc? How he was willing to give up his only begotten son and sacrifice him. Issacc was obedient and did not want to die but willingly obeyed his father to be sacrificed because it was what God said to do. And how abraham answered his son upon the question of where is the offering. He said the LORD will provide His own offering. He referred to God's faithfulness and he was speaking of his son Issacc but God was teaching him by using his words (and teach us)of the obedience and willingness that His Son will have, Jesus Christ.

:amen:

[Asaph]

I am familiar with ark of noah, and the ark of the covenant and the tabernacle, the chief cornerstone,the Lamb of God, all of which are a type of Christ. I say Christ because in Grk- Christ reflects the deity of God and Jesus relects the humanity of God.My pastor and his pastor taught of those doctrines. I love to find Christ in the old testament. Remember that in the Ot, they were taught using illustration and so there were many illustrations used to teach the messiah. Ever notice the similarity of love described through Abraham and his son Issacc? How he was willing to give up his only begotten son and sacrifice him. Issacc was obedient and did not want to die but willingly obeyed his father to be sacrificed because it was what God said to do. And how abraham answered his son upon the question of where is the offering. He said the LORD will provide His own offering. He referred to God's faithfulness and he was speaking of his son Issacc but God was teaching him by using his words (and teach us)of the obedience and willingness that His Son will have, Jesus Christ.

But there were those who held the donkey's as abram led his only son on up into the mountain.

They had the faith we have.

Asaph