Name change

[Albion]

Let's have a fair vote.

Who among us would go for the name:

"Scripture, Tradition, Reason--Anglican and Old Catholic" ??

Make your post and give a yes or no. It looks like any poll that allows for "other" suggestions just winds up having them be wasted votes, so this up or down is intended to be clearcut and hopefully will produce a verifiable MAJORITY among Anglicans and Old Catholics posting.

BUT, if you want to put forth some other variation on the forum title, please make your own poll.

[gtsecc]

yes

[alban]

yep

[Albion]

Yes.

[RobNJ]

Psst...guys..it looks like there's already a new name!;)

[Albion]

So far...


Anglican and Old Catholic 3
Opposed 0

[ahab]

Most welcome to post, but opposed to the name change.

I have changed my classification from Anglican to Pentecostal. I am a serving member of a CofE church and baptised and confirmed in the CofE, but I feel pentecostal is more represenative for me as an Anglican as opposed to STR - Anglican/Old Catholic.

:wave:

[Albion]

Most welcome to post, but opposed to the name change.

I have changed my classification from Anglican to Pentecostal. I am a serving member of a CofE church and baptised and confirmed in the CofE, but I feel pentecostal is more represenative for me as an Anglican as opposed to STR - Anglican/Old Catholic.

:wave:

I understand what you're saying. What a shame to see people needlessly alienated. I for one very much have appreciated your insights on this forum.

Not to resist your decision in any way, but I'm wondering...would you feel differently if you were allowed to post on a forum under the 'Anglican and Old Catholic' description instead of the Anglican/Old Catholic amalgamation?

[Wigglesworth]

I have no objection either way.

It's important, I think, to point out that the other forums under the Congregation heading that include more than one denomination or tradition use the slash mark rather than the word "and." I see that Erwin was simply being consistent with the other forum names when he made this one "Anglican/Old Catholic."

Hakuna matata.

:)

[ahab]

Hi Albion,

thank you so much. :) Actually I am not really feeling alienated from the forum or this section, rather just not represented by classification of Anglican. (but that is reagrdless of the name change)

Peace:)

[Albion]

Hi Albion,

thank you so much. :) Actually I am not really feeling alienated from the forum or this section, rather just not represented by classification of Anglican. (but that is reagrdless of the name change)

Peace:)

My apologies. I guess I didn't understand as well as I thought. Still, I appreciate your posts and look forward to more of them.

[Albion]

I have no objection either way.

It's important, I think, to point out that the other forums under the Congregation heading that include more than one denomination or tradition use the slash mark rather than the word "and." I see that Erwin was simply being consistent with the other forum names when he made this one "Anglican/Old Catholic."

One of them is "Coptic & Oriental Orthodox."

So there is no reason we can't have our wishes respected.

I should also point out that I saw a consensus really developing. You know that I voted for no change at all, but when I saw a wide range of people seeming to approve of one suggestion, I thought "Wow. This is better than having some inconclusive vote be interpreted as a mandate. I'll move a little one way and they're moving a little back this way. That's great." But no. It was changed while the discussion and voting were still underway.

Remember that the Old Catholics didn't feel undervalued. And who knows what could have come along if we had been allowed to kick ideas around like grown ups usually do?


Hakuna matata.:)

I've spoken to you before about that speaking-in-tongues around here, Wigs. ;)

[Wigglesworth]

I've spoken to you before about that speaking-in-tongues around here, Wigs. ;)

I assure you, that was not a Heavenly language. :D

[Wigglesworth]

And who knows what could have come along if we had been allowed to kick ideas around like grown ups usually do?

It could have been something quite radical (http://www.christianforums.com/t1185590-amendment-of-rules-poll.html). :cool:

Don't click on the link. I mean it!

[Albion]

It could have been something quite radical (http://www.christianforums.com/t1185590-amendment-of-rules-poll.html). :cool:

What's your point?

[Albion]

I assure you, that was not a Heavenly language. :D

No one said anything about a "Heavenly language."

[gtsecc]

How about non Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox; Holy Catholic Orthodox Christians?

[Fish and Bread]

I vote yes to Albion's proposal for another name change, though I still think switching the order of the first part to "Scripture, Reason, and Tradition" in deference to the order the inventer of the formula actually used would also be a good idea. :)

John

[Albion]

I vote yes to Albion's proposal for another name change, though I still think switching the order of the first part to "Scripture, Reason, and Tradition" in deference to the order the inventer of the formula actually used would also be a good idea. :)

John

My poll aside, what about--

Anglican and Old Catholic

?

It meets everyone's requirements and there is precedent. In the Coptic forum and Home Church forum, two member groups are connected by & instead of a slash. Also, there are several forums which have no slogan, just the faith groups identified.

[Fish and Bread]

My poll aside, what about--

Anglican and Old Catholic

?

It meets everyone's requirements and there is precedent in the Coptic forum which has no slogan, just the faith groups identified.

I suppose it would be alright, but I prefer a slogan. It adds a sense of character and also allows people who might not be familar with our churches to get a glimpse of what we believe at a glance -- "Scripture, Reason, Tradition".

John

[Albion]

I suppose it would be alright, but I prefer a slogan. It adds a sense of character and also allows people who might not be familar with our churches to get a glimpse of what we believe at a glance -- "Scripture, Reason, Tradition".

John

Mine was just an idea if we are stymied by length as was suggested may be the case...and also because although I prefer your SRT, I don't gather from everything that has been written that most of our people would favor that change.

So, it's a matter of what is achievable that made me think of the title-less change.

[SirTimothy]

Yeah. I agree with whatever--I just wanted our OC brethren to have some official classification. I didn't want to start a big argument over the right way to say STR (or is it SRT?)

Timothy

[alban]

I vote yes to Albion's proposal for another name change, though I still think switching the order of the first part to "Scripture, Reason, and Tradition" in deference to the order the inventer of the formula actually used would also be a good idea. :)

John

Fish and bread, did you read my post in the previous 'name change' thread?

[Fish and Bread]

Fish and bread, did you read my post in the previous 'name change' thread?

Yes. I wanted to wait until I had time to properly research before replying. I did the research and came up with this:

“What Scripture doth plainly deliver, to that first place both of credit and obedience is due; the next whereunto is whatsoever any man can necessarily conclude by force of reason; after these the voice of the Church succeedeth. That which the Church by her ecclesiastical authority shall probably think and define to be true or good, must in congruity of reason over-rule all other inferior judgments whatsoever” ( Laws, Book V, 8:2; Folger Edition 2:39,8-14) (Certain words were put in bold by me in order to highlight them)

Hooker thus in my view clearly established scripture, reason, and tradition in that order of mention and in that order of precidence. Interestingly, this means that the three-legged metaphor itself and the idea of each of the three legs being equal is a later theological innovation (Which is not to say it's wrong, but simply to establish that the idea has evolved historically since Hooker first related it, a fact which surprised me when I first discovered it). In any event, whether one views the three legs as equal or with an order of precidence, clearly "Scripture, Reason, and Tradition" is the proper way of ordering them when the slogan is said. :)

John

[alban]

Bump,

So as there consensus it should be '& Old Catholic'

(if it's a matter of space then couldn't the slash just be replaced with an 'and' sign? Anglican&Old Catholic)