Are Romans Christian?

[perpendicular_bisector]

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Greetings

I was just wondering if anyone out there felt that the Romans qualify as Christian, given some of their Ahem pagan influenced practices. Perhaps by the same token there should be a Jehovahs or Mormons board? What is the basic line for being recognised as Christian?

Blessings

Bisector

[lismore]

'Christian Forums is a multi-denominational Christian forum message board community uniting all Christians as one body'

Greetings

I was just wondering if anyone out there felt that the Romans qualify as Christian, given some of their Ahem pagan influenced practices. Perhaps by the same token there should be a Jehovahs or Mormons board? What is the basic line for being recognised as Christian?

Blessings

Bisector



Hi Perpendicular!

There is definitely a remnant saved in the afore-mentioned organisation. God Bless

Lismore:)

[Asaph]

If I had a church I started here in America that held to all the tenets of a certain unamed organization, including the idea that there is no salvation outside of my church and that I was infallible as the leader of that church, I would guess that everybody on this Non-denominational forum would charge me with leading a cult.

And they would be correct.

(If this post should be read by a moderator, I am trying very hard to express an opinion here without violating any rules. If I have though, please delete this post. I mean no harm by it).

Asaph

[The Lord is my banner]

Are Romans Christian?


Many are, yes, as are many Anglicans, Pentecostals, Baptists etc....
I am not questioning the salvation of anyone here who claims they are trusting in Christ Jesus. Who am I?

I have met many wonderful Christians all over this place, of many denominations, and I find denominations are meaningless in deciding who is or is not saved.
Denominations allow for diversity and expression, and we all as human beings have a flawed or incomplete revelation of the truth after all.

The Catholics I have met here and in "real" life are full of love for God and His children, and I hope this thread is not about to cause pain and distress to any of them.

God bless, love Susana

[lismore]

Many are, yes, as are many Anglicans, Pentecostals, Baptists etc....
I am not questioning the salvation of anyone here who claims they are trusting in Christ Jesus. Who am I?

I have met many wonderful Christians all over this place, of many denominations, and I find denominations are meaningless in deciding who is or is not saved.
Denominations allow for diversity and expression, and we all as human beings have a flawed or incomplete revelation of the truth after all.

The Catholics I have met here and in "real" life are full of love for God and His children, and I hope this thread is not about to cause pain and distress to any of them.

God bless, love Susana

Hi there:wave:

Yes true.

There was a documentary on British TV about 3 weeks ago about a group of people from the Scottish islands who went to Croatia to visit a place where Mary was said to be appearing. Well the programme was very heavy going until the last 5 minutes.

The group went to a church where there was a meeting of the Catholic Charismatic movement. They were singing 'Spirit of the Living God, fall afresh on me' , the priest was laying hands on people and some of them were going down in the power of the spirit.

It seems to be that when you invite the Spirit in then he comes. But you can hold him at arms length with various things, including 'denominational' meetings and similar things. Many things are good but are not absolutely essential, if you know what I mean. Sometimes its good to leave the schedule, if even for a little time:)

[gtsecc]

I think it is more likely you don't understand what Roman Catholics believe.
What are the pagan practices to which you are refering?

[Asaph]

I think it is more likely you don't understand what Roman Catholics believe.
What are the pagan practices to which you are refering?

Don't they practice a form of cannabalisim? That's what I've heard anyway.

Asaph

[gtsecc]

Don't they practice a form of cannabalisim? That's what I've heard anyway.

Asaph
No.
Where did you hear that?

[twistedsketch]

I think he's making the case that if there is transubstantiation, Catholics therefore would be eating human flesh and blood, which therefore is cannibalism. Not just Catholics believe in transubstatniation, I know. Orthodox and even Lutherans have it.

[julian the apostate]

oddly,, cannibalism is one of the things that early christians were accused of

[twistedsketch]

Yes it was. Baking infants into bread, specifically.

[gtsecc]

Which is more likely:
1. Roman Catholics are canibals.
2. Someone got confussed over the words, "Take, Eat, this is my Body."

[lismore]

'Christian Forums is a multi-denominational Christian forum message board community uniting all Christians as one body'

Greetings

I was just wondering if anyone out there felt that the Romans qualify as Christian, given some of their Ahem pagan influenced practices. Perhaps by the same token there should be a Jehovahs or Mormons board? What is the basic line for being recognised as Christian?

Blessings

Bisector



Hi:wave:

By pagan influneced are you meaning the vatican obelisk, the papal attire, Saints days falling on pagan holidays, mother and child worship, division of clergy and laity, the Mithraiatic keys and 'pontifex maximus', tonsures and monks hair cuts, the monstrance, the papl mitre (open Jaws) , the kissing of the ring, purgatory and the practice of buying indulgences, idols/statues/remembrances, nuns and priests, representations of Jesus looking like pictures of Zeus and Mary looking like Hera etc

These are all things that I have heard said.

But dont worry, one of our catholic brethern or sister will come soon and explain these in his/ her terms:)

[Isidore_AK]

Hi:wave:
But dont worry, one of our catholic brethern or sistern will come soon and explain these in his/ her terms:)


I guess I could try to explain...but then everyone would tell me what I really believed... :)

Me:
Catholics honor the Saints & Mary, we don't worship them. We love them as family, and honor them as great & holy people.

You:
Yes you do! I've seen it! You worship Mary!

Me:
No we don't, we honor Mary with Hyper-dulia, the Saints with dulia. Latria is given only to God.

You:
No, you worship Mary! Don't deny it! And you bow to idols too!

Me:
:Banging head into wall: AAAARGH!!!! I give up...


So, if you want to honostly ask what we believe, come to the OBAB congregational forum, or to http://forums.catholic.com




Those are the best places to ask, especially since we can't 'debate' in here. :)

[twistedsketch]

No we don't, we honor Mary with Hyper-dulia, the Saints with dulia. Latria is given only to God.

Whatever dulia and latria are, Protestants only give both to God.

[gtsecc]

Whatever dulia and latria are, Protestants only give both to God.
You don't honor your Father and Mother?

[Isidore_AK]

Whatever dulia and latria are, Protestants only give both to God.

Again, not to argue or debate.

Dulia is the honor given to great men & women. Think of the honor you give your parents, or a revered individual (the President, a king etc.).

Hyper-dulia is the Honor given to Mary, just an upgraded version of dulia.

Neither of these is the same as Latria...

Latria is the honor and worship offered to the Triune God alone. Its entirely different than dulia. You love and honor your parents, but you don't worship them as Gods.

[The Lord is my banner]

Welcome Isidore, :)

Good to have you with us sister. Thank you for the clarification.

God bless, love Susana

[Isidore_AK]

Welcome Isidore, :)

Good to have you with us sister. Thank you for the clarification.

God bless, love Susana

I'm male (last time I checked anyway...).

I don't know why so many people think Isidore is a female's name...

> I'm not taking offense! Just correcting...

[New_Wineskin]

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Greetings

I was just wondering if anyone out there felt that the Romans qualify as Christian, given some of their Ahem pagan influenced practices. Perhaps by the same token there should be a Jehovahs or Mormons board? What is the basic line for being recognised as Christian?

Blessings

Bisector



Wow !! I am surprised that the moderators haven't shut this thread down by now . First of all , the forums accept them as christians via the creed that christians posting here accept . Second , some catholic appologists get upset when the term "Roman Catholic" is used instead of simply "Catholic" . By simply calling them "Romans" ... I wouldn't use that term because even *I* would find that too insulting .

I would like to respond to the question , but i can't . Anything even remotely considered to be negative has the potential of causing a huge scene . I was raised Catholic and , depending on who's definition is being used , I am consider by some to still be Catholic .

[Isidore_AK]

Wow !! I am surprised that the moderators haven't shut this thread down by now . First of all , the forums accept them as christians via the creed that christians posting here accept . Second , some catholic appologists get upset when the term "Roman Catholic" is used instead of simply "Catholic" . By simply calling them "Romans" ... I wouldn't use that term because even *I* would find that too insulting .

I would like to respond to the question , but i can't . Anything even remotely considered to be negative has the potential of causing a huge scene . I was raised Catholic and , depending on who's definition is being used , I am consider by some to still be Catholic .

I do have to admit some...insult...at being called a Roman. Last time I checked, my passport said I was an American citizen.

I DO infact belong to the Roman Rite of the Catholic Church, but to assume that ALL Catholics are Roman Catholics is something of an insult. The Catholic you are speaking too may infact belong to one of the Eastern Rites of the Church (ie Maronite, Melkite, Chaldean, etc)...

Would you like it if I called Protestants Baptists?...

[The Lord is my banner]

I'm male (last time I checked anyway...).

I don't know why so many people think Isidore is a female's name...

> I'm not taking offense! Just correcting...

Ohmygoodness! So sorry brother! :blush:

[The Lord is my banner]

I do have to admit some...insult...at being called a Roman. Last time I checked, my passport said I was an American citizen.

I DO infact belong to the Roman Rite of the Catholic Church, but to assume that ALL Catholics are Roman Catholics is something of an insult. The Catholic you are speaking too may infact belong to one of the Eastern Rites of the Church (ie Maronite, Melkite, Chaldean, etc)...

Would you like it if I called Protestants Baptists?...

Personally I couldn't give a fig what denomination or permutation of one you label me as! :) I'm kind of hard to define anyway, so go ahead and try! :D ;)

God bless, love Susana

[Asaph]

Hi:wave:

By pagan influneced are you meaning the vatican obelisk, the papal attire, Saints days falling on pagan holidays, mother and child worship, division of clergy and laity, the Mithraiatic keys and 'pontifex maximus', tonsures and monks hair cuts, the monstrance, the papl mitre (open Jaws) , the kissing of the ring, purgatory and the practice of buying indulgences, idols/statues/remembrances, nuns and priests, representations of Jesus looking like pictures of Zeus and Mary looking like Hera etc

These are all things that I have heard said.

But dont worry, one of our catholic brethern or sistern will come soon and explain these in his/ her terms:)

I haven't read past this post yet Lismore, but I can't imagine there being a better summary.

Yes, I think it must just be morbid curiousity that will make me go back and see how badly you got beat up for this post!...;) :D

Good post. :thumbsup:

Asaph

[New_Wineskin]

I do have to admit some...insult...at being called a Roman. Last time I checked, my passport said I was an American citizen.

I DO infact belong to the Roman Rite of the Catholic Church, but to assume that ALL Catholics are Roman Catholics is something of an insult. The Catholic you are speaking too may infact belong to one of the Eastern Rites of the Church (ie Maronite, Melkite, Chaldean, etc)...

Would you like it if I called Protestants Baptists?...

I consider it an insult when Catholics call me a "protestant" assuming all nonorthodox are protesting the catholics .

[Asaph]

I consider it an insult when Catholics call me a "protestant" assuming all nonorthodox are protesting the catholics .

Amen.

Asaph

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I may be misunderstanding here but the OP asked about Romans, not Roman Catholics. So since this is the non-denominational forum Catholism should not be being discussed. I say that as a mod of course :)

And if the poster was referring to Roman Catholics then the answer to that is YES. Roman Catholics are Christians just like Penticostals, Baptists, Methodist, ect are Christians. Any who, not because of the church they attend but who have believed on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for themselves are believers.

[Asaph]

I may be misunderstanding here but the OP asked about Romans, not Roman Catholics. So since this is the non-denominational forum Catholism should not be being discussed. I say that as a mod of course :)

Ummm.....I think I must be misunderstanding. Are you saying that it is illegal for those not of the Roman Catholic faith, those diametrically opposed to it's teachings, to discuss why they are opposed to those teachings?

A huge part of my Christian faith is in direct opposition to the things taught by that organization Q.

Am I not a Christian because I deny the roman Catholic organization?

I am confused. Please clarify.

Asaph

(you edited your post while I was typing my response).

[julian the apostate]

quaffer, i took it to mean the salvation of those living within the city of rome not roman catholics

no one would seriously question whether roman catholicism was christian or not, would they?

but maybe,, just for kicks

is premillenial dispensationalism christian?

is it idolatry to insist that the bible is without error?

does fundamentalism or evangelicalism accurately or inaccurately portray the Christ of the new testament?

from where in the bible, apart from the table of contents , do you know which books should be included in said bible?

[SpiritPsalmist]

Ummm.....I think I must be misunderstanding. Are you saying that it is illegal for those not of the Roman Catholic faith, those diametrically opposed to it's teachings, to discuss why they are opposed to those teachings?

A huge part of my Christian faith is in direct opposition to the things taught by that organization Q.

Am I not a Christian because I deny the roman Catholic organization?

I am confused. Please clarify.

Asaph

(you edited your post while I was typing my response).

This is a debate forum and the Catholic poster is not allowed to return an answer in debate as defense of any comments made by non-Catholics that are incorrect in the Catholic view.

Ones Christianty is not based on whether they agree or disagree with the Catholic church.

[Asaph]

If I had a church I started here in America that held to all the tenets of a certain unamed organization, including the idea that there is no salvation outside of my church and that I was infallible as the leader of that church, I would guess that everybody on this Non-denominational forum would charge me with leading a cult.

And they would be correct.

(If this post should be read by a moderator, I am trying very hard to express an opinion here without violating any rules. If I have though, please delete this post. I mean no harm by it).

Asaph

As an example, who do you think I am discribing here?

Do you think it is the RC?

You would be wrong. Take another guess.

Asaph

[SpiritPsalmist]

quaffer, i took it to mean the salvation of those living within the city of rome not roman catholics



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That is the way I understood it as well julian, however, the subject had wandered to whether Catholism was Christian or not and that is why I've posted the warning.

[Asaph]

This is a debate forum and the Catholic poster is not allowed to return an answer in debate as defense of any comments made by non-Catholics that are incorrect in the Catholic view.

Ones Christianty is not based on whether they agree or disagree with the Catholic church.

Well, that may be true, but my Christianity does indeed disagree with the Catholic church.

So are you going to then deny my right to my beliefs?

Asaph

[SpiritPsalmist]

As an example, who do you think I am discribing here?

Do you think it is the RC?

You would be wrong. Take another guess.

Asaph

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Again, this forum cannot be used to attack the beliefs of another group of Christians who are not allowed to defend themselves within this forum.

[SpiritPsalmist]

Well, that may be true, but my Christianity does indeed disagree with the Catholic church.

So are you going to then deny my right to my beliefs?

Asaph

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You may believe them all you want but you may NOT express them within this debate forum where they are not allowed to defend themselves.

[SpiritPsalmist]

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