Baptist / Lutheran

[BBAS 64]

Good Day, All

Is this the new room for the Reformed Baptist who loves Martin Luther? If so can I transfer my pass here .. PLEASE.. ;)

Peace to u,

Bill

[SPALATIN]

Good Day, All

Is this the new room for the Reformed Baptist who loves Martin Luther? If so can I transfer my pass here .. PLEASE.. ;)

Peace to u,

Bill

Bill,

As always I feel that you are welcome to our forum. You are probably the only Baptist I know who has given me insights to Luther. God bless

Scott

[BBAS 64]

Bill,

As always I feel that you are welcome to our forum. You are probably the only Baptist I know who has given me insights to Luther. God bless

Scott

Good day, Scott

:blush: That is the sweetest comment I can remember getting in all my time here at CF, and from the bottom of my heart I thank you for it.

:cry: I am a sensitive guy.

In Him,

Bill

[ByzantineDixie]

Ya...for a Baptist you are alright in my book! ;)

[LilLamb219]

Is this the new room for the Reformed Baptist who loves Martin Luther? If so can I transfer my pass here .. PLEASE

If you love Luther, than why are you still Baptist (if I may so bold to ask)? :)

[Tertiumquid]

If you love Luther, than why are you still Baptist (if I may so bold to ask)? :)

Yeah Bill- It's about time somebody else besides me got asked why they are not Lutheran. What's your deal?


James Swan
http://www.ntrmin.org/rccorner-reformation.htm

[BBAS 64]

Yeah Bill- It's about time somebody else besides me got asked why they are not Lutheran. What's your deal?


James Swan
http://www.ntrmin.org/rccorner-reformation.htm

Good day, James

ROTFLMHO.... ^_^

Thanks, James :P

In Him,

Bill

[BBAS 64]

If you love Luther, than why are you still Baptist (if I may so bold to ask)? :)

Good Day, LilLamb

Good question, it is a vaild one IMO.

I am thinking on this question and have been PM'ed as to the question being posted I hope to answer it soon, as the more I consider it the more questions I am forced to answer.

Thanks for the brain food... ;)

Peace to u,
Bill

[LilLamb219]

I hope to answer it soon,

I'm sure everyone looks forward to your response soon :)

[BBAS 64]

I'm sure everyone looks forward to your response soon :)

Good Day, Lil

That is presure, I will do my best here goes.

Why I am not a Lutheran,



I want to thank Lil for this question as it has made me think.



Before coming to CF I had very little knowledge of what a Lutheran was, I am thankful to all the Lutherans I have had the pleasure of speaking with. I am still a bit unclear as to what a Lutheran is, as is seen in this very board as of late.



I will say I have not read as much of Luther as I would like and I am sure I will learn a great deal more about him and from him. I am a Calvinist by conviction from the reading of the scriptures.



I am a Baptist because I truly believe that an understanding of the nature of the Gospel and the nature of Salvation is necessary for Baptism to be valid. I found in many ways Lutherans to be vague on things I find interesting, this whole “hidden will” of God thing is some what over used in order to avoid answering the hard questions. IMHO



Case in point if some one denies the doctrine of Justification by Faith alone, then the baptism of that denomination is invalid, if some one denies the divinity of Christ then that denomination’s baptism is invalid.



I think it is fine to say it is a hidden thing and we can not know, but then to say someone’s view is incorrect. Even when there is no reason or competing view in the search for the truth is confusing.



That is my deal, God is not done with me yet.



I pass the buck to TQ :P :wave: :D



In Him,

Bill

[Tertiumquid]

I am a Calvinist by conviction from the reading of the scriptures.

Run for your lives, Bill is a Reformed Baptist. One of the most dangerous of all species of Baptist. Though few in number, they can be quite deadly when encountered.

Thank you for bravely sharing Bill.


I am a Baptist because I truly believe that an understanding of the nature of the Gospel and the nature of Salvation is necessary for Baptism to be valid. I found in many ways Lutherans to be vague on things I find interesting, this whole “hidden will” of God thing is some what over used in order to avoid answering the hard questions. IMHO


Well, i'm not a baptist, but I hold similar sentiments about what in the Bible is "hidden" and what is "revealed".


I pass the buck to TQ :P :wave: :D

Perhaps over the weekend i'll write up something. I do have a love for Luther and a healthy respect for Lutheranism. I have had some very unfortunate dialogs with Lutherans once they found out I was Reformed. For instance, I dialoged with a Lutheran woman once, until her husband came back from his hunting trip. I got so frustrated by the discussion, I deleted my posts, and vowed never to return to that particular discussion board, this after they posted a picture of a wolf and said it was me. This is what the Lutheran hunter said to me:

"The Tertium Qid "said" he wanted to discuss Luther, but when confronted with Luther quotes that exposed his slander of Luther, he asked for references to the American Edition of Luther's Works...Now he has fled away into the darkness of cyberspace leaving us nothing but his latin moniker of anonymity. Having deleted all the evidence of slander with no apology or acknowledgment of error---he awaits a more opportune time. I shudder to think of what his teeth would have done to our little flock had not Gnesio-Lutheran and my wife held their ground against his attacks on Lutheranism during my absence....Ironically, during my absence, I killed a coyote that was preying upon our deer herd's younger fawns. Gee, if I had stayed home-- I would have had a shot at a wolf who was trying to kill some of you! Nevertheless, I pray that TQ will realize that he was wrong and repent of his belief in 'limited atonement'. All of us, without exception, were all wolves at one time, we were born that way. But by the grace of God, we are what we are now: reborn children of God and sheep of our Good Shepherd. So, TQ, if you are still listening, among Lutherans there is such a thing as forgiveness and even wolves can become sheep."

This was a really sad experience for me, one i will never forget- It would be interesting though, to actually discuss our differences with our guns securely in our holsters. It must be possible to actually discuss our differences without shooting each other.

Regards,
James Swan
http://www.ntrmin.org/rccorner-reformation.htm

[ChiRho]

Case in point if some one denies the doctrine of Justification by Faith alone, then the baptism of that denomination is invalid, if some one denies the divinity of Christ then that denomination’s baptism is invalid.

These are not very strong points at all. If one denies either of those, then they aren't Christian, let alone Lutheran.

[ChiRho]

I nominate a name change to this thread:

The non-Lutheran therapy sessions for the Luther obsessed

[SPALATIN]

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Run for your lives, Bill is a Reformed Baptist. One of the most dangerous of all species of Baptist. Though few in number, they can be quite deadly when encountered.

Thank you for bravely sharing Bill.


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Well, i'm not a baptist, but I hold similar sentiments about what in the Bible is "hidden" and what is "revealed".


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Perhaps over the weekend i'll write up something. I do have a love for Luther and a healthy respect for Lutheranism. I have had some very unfortunate dialogs with Lutherans once they found out I was Reformed. For instance, I dialoged with a Lutheran woman once, until her husband came back from his hunting trip. I got so frustrated by the discussion, I deleted my posts, and vowed never to return to that particular discussion board, this after they posted a picture of a wolf and said it was me. This is what the Lutheran hunter said to me:

"The Tertium Qid "said" he wanted to discuss Luther, but when confronted with Luther quotes that exposed his slander of Luther, he asked for references to the American Edition of Luther's Works...Now he has fled away into the darkness of cyberspace leaving us nothing but his latin moniker of anonymity. Having deleted all the evidence of slander with no apology or acknowledgment of error---he awaits a more opportune time. I shudder to think of what his teeth would have done to our little flock had not Gnesio-Lutheran and my wife held their ground against his attacks on Lutheranism during my absence....Ironically, during my absence, I killed a coyote that was preying upon our deer herd's younger fawns. Gee, if I had stayed home-- I would have had a shot at a wolf who was trying to kill some of you! Nevertheless, I pray that TQ will realize that he was wrong and repent of his belief in 'limited atonement'. All of us, without exception, were all wolves at one time, we were born that way. But by the grace of God, we are what we are now: reborn children of God and sheep of our Good Shepherd. So, TQ, if you are still listening, among Lutherans there is such a thing as forgiveness and even wolves can become sheep."

This was a really sad experience for me, one i will never forget- It would be interesting though, to actually discuss our differences with our guns securely in our holsters. It must be possible to actually discuss our differences without shooting each other.

Regards,
James Swan
http://www.ntrmin.org/rccorner-reformation.htm

Don't go to Lutherquest. They eat the Reformed for Breakfast. ;)

[Tertiumquid]

I nominate a name change to this thread:

The non-Lutheran therapy sessions for the Luther obsessed

lol. Not so sure about "obsession."

My own interest in Luther came about because Roman Catholics were saying so many outrageous things to me about Luther. I simply began reading him to find out what he did say, and what did happen during the 16th Century. This is still my primary interest in Luther studies. For instance, I was just able to track down a copy of W.H.T. Dau's book Luther Examined And Reexamined: A Review of Catholic Criticism and a Plea For Reevaluation (1917). I have many similar such books and articles. I see a definite need for Protestants to understand the Reformation, understand what Roman Catholics think about the Reformation, and continue to strive for Reformation: the Gospel of Justifiaction by faith alone, because of the work of Christ alone, to the glory of God alone.

Secondarily, I enjoy reading Luther's sermons, and I glean a lot of insight from him in my own walk with Christ, as well as I ponder what it means to be a "theologian of the cross everyday." If this is being "Luther obsessed"- I consider myself guilty.

God Bless,
James Swan

[Tertiumquid]

Don't go to Lutherquest. They eat the Reformed for Breakfast. ;)

I have lurked there for years. I may have posted once or twice. I don't really like the format of the discussions, and a lot of what is discussed is a little over my head, since i'm not up on all the latest issues in Lutheranism. I have a hard time figuring out who the good guys are and who the bad guys are over there. They so intensely attack each other at times- I recall being amazed at the intensity of discussion in a thread about the "new Book of Concord." These guys were not holding back how they felt about each other.

God Bless,
James Swan

[walloffire]

Bill,

As always I feel that you are welcome to our forum. You are probably the only Baptist I know who has given me insights to Luther. God bless

Scott

What good are "insights to Luther"? Wouldn't one rather have insights to Christ? Luther is not the Christ.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Jesus is whose words we are supposed to get insight about.

[LilLamb219]

Luther spoke of Christ crucified. When Scott was thanking someone for pointing him to the insights of Luther, he was thanking that person also for the pointing out of Christ through which Luther spoke of and wrote about.

Lutherans are Christ-focused unlike other denominations who think that once they get saved, they can turn away from the cross and look to themselves to see how they're doing.

What good are "insights to Luther"? Wouldn't one rather have insights to Christ? Luther is not the Christ.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Jesus is whose words we are supposed to get insight about.