Gifts of the Spirit

[Adammi]

Do Messianics believe that the gifts of the Spirit (Prophecy, tongues) are still to be in use today?

[Zacharias]

Do Messianics believe that the gifts of the Spirit (Prophecy, tongues) are still to be in use today?
I do! I'm Charismatic. :)

[Zacharias]

"Over ninety percent of the Messianic congregations in the United States are "charismatic" in their theological orientation (believing in the gifts [charisms] of the Holy Spirit: tongues, healing, etc.)."

As taken from: http://www.religioustolerance.org/mess_jud2.htm

Though I don't know how accurate that is. :)

[Adammi]

"Over ninety percent of the Messianic congregations in the United States are "charismatic" in their theological orientation (believing in the gifts [charisms] of the Holy Spirit: tongues, healing, etc.)."

As taken from: http://www.religioustolerance.org/mess_jud2.htm

Though I don't know how accurate that is. :)
YES!!!

[Tishri1]

I do too! Although I also believe in Testing the Spirits (prophesies, ect) to make sure that they line up to the Word of God:wave:

[Zacharias]

Although I also believe in Testing the Spirits (prophesies, ect) to make sure that they line up to the Word of God:wave:
Me too. :)

[Adammi]

I do too! Although I also believe in Testing the Spirits (prophesies, ect) to make sure that they line up to the Word of God:wave:
:thumbsup:

[visionary]

The children of God are playing with some of God's gifts. They do not know how it all works but they want to make it "happen". God never made anything to be used frivously. Frequently, there are those who play just a little too much with things that do not know what they are spiritually really for. I worry about them. We should all wait upon the Lord. There is a time and place for everything. God wastes nothing not even one of His gifts that He has bestowed upon us.

[Bon]

I agree with Visionary....

The gifts of the Spirit are given individually, for God's "purpose", not for our own edification. They have "reason" and "meaning".

...and I certainly do not believe in the speaking in tongues which are of the jibberish kind.

I am wary of 'whole' congregations who claim to posess the gifts of the Spirit or place too great a significance upon them. I believe it is a little too forced, like they would be under pressure to "perform".

I mean no disrespect to anyone. :)

It is my view, which I strive to keep in tight harmony with the Word of Yahweh.

Shalom from Bon

[CovenantRay]

Shalom:

<Insert disclaimer here: This is my opinion, any similarity with opinions living or dead is purly coincidental>

I believe that gifts are for today as the scriptures never stated that they were only for a period of time. I have experienced some of the gifts at times and witnessed others doing so as well.

I'm in agreement with Bon and Visionary. The gifts are not to be forced or used as parlor tricks -- Rather only as the Ruach HaShem moves within us.

"Feelings" or "goosebumps" can be manipulated by the enemy, the test is truly in the "fruit".

May Hashem bless you all,

CovenantRay :prayer:

[plum]

"Feelings" or "goosebumps" can be manipulated by the enemy, the test is truly in the "fruit".

let him get an AMEN!

[Bananna]

oops how do I delete double posts?

[Bananna]

The nature of covenant theology that many messianic like me hold to is that the Holy Spirit is not a new thing, nor are the gifts of the spirit new. From Genesis to Revelation we see them given and used. However we do know that as the time of the end of this age draws to an end - the ourpouring will flow faster and faster till the New Jeruselem comes down from heaven raining fire and hail. The prophets of the bible are not unique, only recorded. Samuel is the ONLY listed prophet who had nothing he said fail to come to pass.

JMO

[Bananna]

I will also comment that I believe the tongue of Angels would be a jews way of saying Hebrew, tongue of men would be Greek and Pauls own language would have been Aramaic, however it is likely Paul had actually learned and been gifted by the HS to learn many more languages.

In Acts the people heard in their own tongue though the aposltes did not necessarily speak in foreign tongues.
Yes I believe in languages... that is what glossa is...languages.
JMO
bananna

[Velcro]

I believe in the gifts but probably not in the way many others believe in them. I believe I am gifted in the area of being a helper. In fact, that's what my paying job is -- to be a helper -- and it is the first job I ever had that I truly enjoy! I like it so much that I took a huge cut in pay to get it, and I worked there for over a month for free, before they hired me!

[Pentecostal Boy]

Do Messianics believe that the gifts of the Spirit (Prophecy, tongues) are still to be in use today?


Yes you can! I go to a Pentecostal church we speak in tounges all the time!
It's when the holy spirit comes over you.

[Tishri1]

Again it is in use but with a twist...do a search of the gifts and study how each one was used in the NT (and the OT too) then compare to the use of each today...If the gifts are used differently today then question that and find out ( through prayer and seaching the scripture if they are being used according to His Will) Messianics who use the gifts generally do them differently (with a different purpose in mind) than the rest of the Church.:wave:

[A_Pioneer]

Omein Tishri,

If speaking in tongues is a litmus test for who has the Spirit. It is of HaSatan! Not God!

[Adammi]

Omein Tishri,

If speaking in tongues is a litmus test for who has the Spirit. It is of HaSatan! Not God!
If at the feast of Shavuot speaking in other tongues was a ligitimate test of who was filled with Ruach HaShem, then why wouldn't it be today?

[Zacharias]

If at the feast of Shavuot speaking in other tongues was a ligitimate test of who was filled with Ruach HaShem, then why wouldn't it be today?
Where does it say that "speaking in other tongues is a ligitimate test of who was filled with Ruach HaKodesh" in the Bible? :)

P.S. I like your signature. :cool:

[A_Pioneer]

TEST? Where did you find this gem?

How beit that I never hear your tongues in my language?

Acts 2:5¶ And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

[Velcro]

Admittedly, I am not a proponent of speaking in tongues. Please forgive me. But what I do read in Acts 2 is that they were not speaking in several languages but that everyone heard the words in their own language.

[Adammi]

How beit that I never hear your tongues in my language?
Why does I Corinthians 14 make it clear that tongues are uninteligilbe ecstatic utterances?
Why else would people have accused the 120 of being drunk?

[Adammi]

Admittedly, I am not a proponent of speaking in tongues. Please forgive me. But what I do read in Acts 2 is that they were not speaking in several languages but that everyone heard the words in their own language.
Exactly, they were speaking in heavenly ecstatic utterances and the listeners (some of them) were graced with the gift of interpretationg of tongues to know what was being said.

[A_Pioneer]

Because you do not (at this moment, at least) have the gift of interpretation of tongues. And when I pray in tongues I am talking to God, not you, and I don't owe you an interpretation.

Satanic! Judgemental! Holier than pioneer! LOL That is so unscriptual! Precepts of men! I have stated my opinion, I am out of here! Todah rabah.

[Adammi]

Satanic! Judgemental! Holier than pioneer! LOL That is so unscriptual! Precepts of men! I have stated my opinion, I am out of here! Todah rabah.
I am sorry that you see that as unscriptual but upon reading 1 Corinthians 12-14 it is perfectly clear. I would never through such accusations at you. You are my brother, saved by my most blessed redeemer and for me to say that I am holier than you, ha. I am holier than no one. When I look at the sins in my life I am sickened and yes I am satanic because I fall to temptation. And I am sorry that your opinion of me is that I am Satanic! Judgemental! Holier than pioneer! LOL That is so unscriptual! Precepts of men because my opinion of you is that you are a wonderful person. And that was the best insult I have ever received, I don't think that anyone has ever said those kind of things to be, and I go to public school. shheesh.
I just ask that you would read 1 Corinthians without thinking of the precept of men and let the Ruach of G-d speak to your spriit.

May the Peace of Yeshua HaMashiach be with you always.

[Adammi]

P.S. I like your signature


Thanks

[Shamash Of Yeshua]

Shalom:

<Insert disclaimer here: This is my opinion, any similarity with opinions living or dead is purly coincidental>

I believe that gifts are for today as the scriptures never stated that they were only for a period of time. I have experienced some of the gifts at times and witnessed others doing so as well.

I'm in agreement with Bon and Visionary. The gifts are not to be forced or used as parlor tricks -- Rather only as the Ruach HaShem moves within us.

"Feelings" or "goosebumps" can be manipulated by the enemy, the test is truly in the "fruit".

May Hashem bless you all,

CovenantRay :prayer:

Agree whole heartedly.

Shalom,

Tag

[Shamash Of Yeshua]

I am sorry that you see that as unscriptual but upon reading 1 Corinthians 12-14 it is perfectly clear. I would never through such accusations at you. You are my brother, saved by my most blessed redeemer and for me to say that I am holier than you, ha. I am holier than no one. When I look at the sins in my life I am sickened and yes I am satanic because I fall to temptation. And I am sorry that your opinion of me is that I am Satanic! Judgemental! Holier than pioneer! LOL That is so unscriptual! Precepts of men because my opinion of you is that you are a wonderful person. And that was the best insult I have ever received, I don't think that anyone has ever said those kind of things to be, and I go to public school. shheesh.
I just ask that you would read 1 Corinthians without thinking of the precept of men and let the Ruach of G-d speak to your spriit.

May the Peace of Yeshua HaMashiach be with you always.

Yes, do read and study and pray over what is written in 1 Corinthians 12 - 14.

Follow after love, and earnestly desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. For he who speaks in another language speaks not to men, but to God; for no one understands; but in the Spirit he speaks mysteries. But he who prophesies speaks to men for their edification, exhortation, and consolation. He who speaks in another language edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the assembly. Now I desire to have you all speak with other languages, but rather that you would prophesy. For he is greater who prophesies than he who speaks with other languages, unless he interprets, that the assembly may be built up. But now, brothers, if I come to you speaking with other languages, what would I profit you, unless I speak to you either by way of revelation, or of knowledge, or of prophesying, or of teaching? Even things without life, giving a voice, whether pipe or harp, if they didn't give a distinction in the sounds, how would it be known what is piped or harped? For if the shofar gave an uncertain sound, who would prepare himself for war? So also you, unless you uttered by the tongue words easy to understand, how would it be known what is spoken? For you would be speaking into the air. There are, it may be, so many kinds of sounds in the world, and none of them is without meaning. If then I don't know the meaning of the sound, I would be to him who speaks a foreigner, and he who speaks would be a foreigner to me. So also you, since you are zealous for spiritual gifts, seek that you may abound to the building up of the assembly. Therefore let him who speaks in another language pray that he may interpret. For if I pray in another language, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also. I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. Otherwise if you bless with the spirit, how will he who fills the place of the unlearned say the "Amein" at your giving of thanks, seeing he doesn't know what you say? For you most certainly give thanks well, but the other person is not built up. I thank my God, I speak with other languages more than you all. However in the assembly I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I might instruct others also, than ten thousand words in another language. Brothers, don't be children in thoughts, yet in malice be babies, but in thoughts be mature. In the law it is written, "By men of strange languages and by the lips of strangers I will speak to this people. Not even thus will they hear me, says the Lord." Therefore other languages are for a sign, not to those who believe, but to the unbelieving; but prophesying is for a sign, not to the unbelieving, but to those who believe. If therefore the whole assembly is assembled together and all speak with other languages, and unlearned or unbelieving people come in, won't they say that you are crazy? But if all prophesy, and someone unbelieving or unlearned comes in, he is reproved by all, and he is judged by all. And thus the secrets of his heart are revealed. So he will fall down on his face and worship God, declaring that God is among you indeed. What is it then, brothers? When you come together, each one of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has another language, has an interpretation. Let all things be done to build each other up. If any man speaks in another language, let it be two, or at the most three, and in turn; and let one interpret. But if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in the assembly, and let him speak to himself, and to God. Let the prophets speak, two or three, and let the others discern. But if a revelation is made to another sitting by, let the first keep silent. For you all can prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be exhorted. The spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets, for God is not a God of confusion, but of shalom. (1Co 14:1-33 HNV)

I know you mean well, for we all mean well when we are caught up in what we learned and want others to share in that as well. But I can't say I agree with a fellowship favoring mainly on a gift that is considered the Least of all gifts.
I do ask our Father in Heaven and Yeshua to show you and all who do use this gift more then all other gifts to be shown what truth there is to show you and even ME about this gift you and others hold so Highly.
May the Ruach HaKodesh MOVE all to TRUTH in Understanding what is said in Scripture whether it be in the Torah, Tanakh or even the B'rit Chadashah.
IN HIS NAME YHVH may we MOVE MOUNTAINS BY YESHUA's FAITH AND BY YHVH's RUACH HAKODESH,

A Servant who isn't much even in my own sight,
thinking of all that he is forgiven in tears,

Tag

[visionary]

Of all the gifts that God gives, and I were able to pick which ever I wanted, I would want the gift of prophecy, the gift of wisdom, and kindness (the patient long suffering one). The gift of tongues would come in handy when I feel moved by God to witness to someone who does not speak my language. I would want the Lord to step in them and give the gift along with the words that I might say so that I could work in harmony with the Holy Spirit. There are other times where I have wished for the gift of healing, and not in the knowledge as that I do already but in the miracles of faith beyond man's wisdom. One of the biggest gifts to me would be a heart like Yeshua.

[Bon]

Exactly, they were speaking in heavenly ecstatic utterances and the listeners (some of them) were graced with the gift of interpretationg of tongues to know what was being said.

A thorough reading of these verses in Acts 2 proves that the Apostles were not speaking in heavenly ecstatic utterances as you put it, but in the tongues of other nations of the earth.

Acts 2:1 When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.


....and this was the Crowd's Response

5 And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. 6 And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language. 7 Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, "Look, are not all these who speak Galileans? 8 And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born?

the next verse clearly tells us which languages (nations) were spoken.

9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretans and Arabs--we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God." 12 So they were all amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, "Whatever could this mean?"

13Others mocking said, "They are full of new wine."

This is VERY clearly indicating that the Apostles spoke in the languages of OTHER NATIONS OF THE EARTH, or at least they were understood in by the audience in their own tongues (languages).

Shalom from Bon

[Bon]

Of all the gifts that God gives, and I were able to pick which ever I wanted, I would want the gift of prophecy, the gift of wisdom, and kindness (the patient long suffering one). The gift of tongues would come in handy when I feel moved by God to witness to someone who does not speak my language. I would want the Lord to step in them and give the gift along with the words that I might say so that I could work in harmony with the Holy Spirit. There are other times where I have wished for the gift of healing, and not in the knowledge as that I do already but in the miracles of faith beyond man's wisdom. One of the biggest gifts to me would be a heart like Yeshua.

Ah Vis!

Now that is truly a God given gift......HUMILITY.

Getting to know you in this past year has clearly shown me that you have indeed been granted some of the gifts of the Spirit that you mention above.

You are a true child of Yahweh, visionary, and I always feel previlaged to have met you here on the forums.

Shalom to you always,

Bon

[Shamash Of Yeshua]

Why does I Corinthians 14 make it clear that tongues are uninteligilbe ecstatic utterances?
Why else would people have accused the 120 of being drunk?

Now when the day of Shavu`ot had come, they were all with one accord in one place. Suddenly there came from the sky a sound like the rushing of a mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. Tongues like fire appeared and were distributed to them, and one sat on each of them. They were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak with other languages, as the Spirit gave them the ability to speak. Now there were dwelling in Yerushalayim Jews, devout men, from every nation under the sky. When this sound was heard, the multitude came together, and were bewildered, because everyone heard them speaking in his own language. They were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, "Behold, aren't all these who speak from the Galil? How do we hear, everyone in our own native language? Parthians, Madai, Elamites, and people from Aram-Naharayim, Yehudah, Cappadocia, Pontus, Asia, Phrygia, Pamphylia, Egypt, the parts of Libya around Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians: we hear them speaking in our languages the mighty works of God!" They were all amazed, and were perplexed, saying one to another, "What does this mean?" Others, mocking, said, "They are filled with new wine." But Kefa, standing up with the Eleven, lifted up his voice, and spoke out to them, "You men of Yehudah, and all you who dwell at Yerushalayim, let this be known to you, and listen to my words. For these aren't drunken, as you suppose, seeing it is only the third hour of the day. But this is what has been spoken through the prophet Yo'el: 'It will be in the last days, says God, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh. Your sons and your daughters will prophesy. Your young men will see visions. Your old men will dream dreams. Yes, and on my servants and on my handmaidens in those days, I will pour out my Spirit, and they will prophesy. I will show wonders in the sky above, and signs on the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and billows of smoke. The sun will be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and glorious day of the Lord comes. It will be, that whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.' (Act 2:1-21 HNV)

So we have been in the last days since this time mentioned in Acts. how interesting. People think and are taught that we are now entering the last days. Yes, even I was thinking such. So the last days have been going on for 2000 years now. When is the 1000 years reign to begin? Some say we are in that 1000 years already. I think not yet.

Now speaking in tounges. What does this mean? What purpose is it for? Read my post with 1 Corinthians 14 in it.

Shalom,

Tag

[Adammi]

I know you mean well, for we all mean well when we are caught up in what we learned and want others to share in that as well. But I can't say I agree with a fellowship favoring mainly on a gift that is considered the Least of all gifts.
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I know that I am not supposed to express my personal opinion in another forums so I will word it as a question;) .
Did you know that Charismatic gatherings do not favor mainly the gift of tongues, but it just so happened that tongues were what we I was asked about? Did you know that when tongues are exercised we believe that they must be interpreted? Did you know that the preaching of the scriptures are our central theme in all services?

[christinepro]

What is the whole tongue thing about? I thought it was a gift to communicate with other people who didn't understand a certain language. I.e. if you want to preach the gospal to a French person you would have the gift to speak French; or German or Spanish etc...I went to a church and they were talking in tongues and I saw no purpose in it. I don't need tongues to have faith. Just my opinion.

[Velcro]

Ah, it does say that they spoke with other known tongues. I should have reread it before I wrote! It's been a long time since I've read that passage. Sorry!

[Bon]

What is the whole tongue thing about? I thought it was a gift to communicate with other people who didn't understand a certain language. I.e. if you want to preach the gospal to a French person you would have the gift to speak French; or German or Spanish etc...I went to a church and they were talking in tongues and I saw no purpose in it. I don't need tongues to have faith. Just my opinion.

A great opinion in my book Christinepro. :)

I whole-heartedly agree.

Shalom from Bon

[schwartmrs]

I've got three things to say here.....

1.) Obviously, I agree with my husband. Sometimes I think the L-rd gave me Solomon for a husband. If only I could be so wise as he.

2.) My granny is a little white-haired Baptist lady. She has never uttered a word of tongues in her life...she doesn't believe in them. BUT...I have seen her prophesy...and be right. I have seen her pray for a miraculous healing...and it was granted. I have seen her on her knees asking the L-rd for all manner of things...which, more often than not, He grants her. She prays for hours every day. Her bible has almost as many notes in the margin as it has text on the pages. She loves the L-rd with a deep and abiding passion. The family motto is...if you want the L-rd to move, ask Granny to pray...she's got the "red phone to G-d." I defy anyone to tell me that because my Granny doesn't speak in tongues, she doesn't operate in the gifts of the Spirit...or, worse yet, that she isn't saved.

3.) The gifts of the Spirit are just that...gifts, not entitlements. It is for HaShem alone to decide who gets what. Who are we to demand that He grant a specific gift to His children?? Who are we to judge one another's walk or salvation based solely on which gift(s) HaShem has (or has not) granted to that individual. They are His. Not ours. He gives them how He chooses, when He chooses, to whom He chooses.

We may think we are correctly interpreting scripture...we can beat each other to death with scripture...but the fact is, we cannot judge one another based on our limited, human understanding of scripture and its meaning. Do I believe tongues are for today? Yup, sure do. Do I speak in tongues? Yup, sure do. But let me make this statement also...I was saved for 16 years, I had prophesied, had words of wisdom and knowledge, and even had the L-rd heal a person from a terminal disease through my laying hands on her, before I ever uttered my first word in tongues. Why would the L-rd use me in such a way if I were not truly His?

Blessings,

Shade

[Tishri1]

I know that I am not supposed to express my personal opinion in another forums so I will word it as a question;) .
Did you know that Charismatic gatherings do not favor mainly the gift of tongues, but it just so happened that tongues were what we I was asked about? Did you know that when tongues are exercised we believe that they must be interpreted? Did you know that the preaching of the scriptures are our central theme in all services?hehehe^_^ where there's a will there's a way....your too cute!

I believe everyone means well and is striving toward the knowlege of truth....we are all moldable in His hands and that's what is important...He will form us and the cracks(if any) will disappear and someday we will be one Body working perfectly if we do not give up hope! :prayer:

[CovenantRay]

I've got three things to say here.....

1.) Obviously, I agree with my husband. Sometimes I think the L-rd gave me Solomon for a husband. If only I could be so wise as he.

2.) My granny is a little white-haired Baptist lady. She has never uttered a word of tongues in her life...she doesn't believe in them. BUT...I have seen her prophesy...and be right. I have seen her pray for a miraculous healing...and it was granted. I have seen her on her knees asking the L-rd for all manner of things...which, more often than not, He grants her. She prays for hours every day. Her bible has almost as many notes in the margin as it has text on the pages. She loves the L-rd with a deep and abiding passion. The family motto is...if you want the L-rd to move, ask Granny to pray...she's got the "red phone to G-d." I defy anyone to tell me that because my Granny doesn't speak in tongues, she doesn't operate in the gifts of the Spirit...or, worse yet, that she isn't saved.

3.) The gifts of the Spirit are just that...gifts, not entitlements. It is for HaShem alone to decide who gets what. Who are we to demand that He grant a specific gift to His children?? Who are we to judge one another's walk or salvation based solely on which gift(s) HaShem has (or has not) granted to that individual. They are His. Not ours. He gives them how He chooses, when He chooses, to whom He chooses.

We may think we are correctly interpreting scripture...we can beat each other to death with scripture...but the fact is, we cannot judge one another based on our limited, human understanding of scripture and its meaning. Do I believe tongues are for today? Yup, sure do. Do I speak in tongues? Yup, sure do. But let me make this statement also...I was saved for 16 years, I had prophesied, had words of wisdom and knowledge, and even had the L-rd heal a person from a terminal disease through my laying hands on her, before I ever uttered my first word in tongues. Why would the L-rd use me in such a way if I were not truly His?

Blessings,

Shade

I digress slightly....

I love my wife! :kiss:

CovenantRay :prayer:

[Tishri1]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to schwartmrs again.:clap:I've got three things to say here.....

1.) Obviously, I agree with my husband. Sometimes I think the L-rd gave me Solomon for a husband. If only I could be so wise as he.

2.) My granny is a little white-haired Baptist lady. She has never uttered a word of tongues in her life...she doesn't believe in them. BUT...I have seen her prophesy...and be right. I have seen her pray for a miraculous healing...and it was granted. I have seen her on her knees asking the L-rd for all manner of things...which, more often than not, He grants her. She prays for hours every day. Her bible has almost as many notes in the margin as it has text on the pages. She loves the L-rd with a deep and abiding passion. The family motto is...if you want the L-rd to move, ask Granny to pray...she's got the "red phone to G-d." I defy anyone to tell me that because my Granny doesn't speak in tongues, she doesn't operate in the gifts of the Spirit...or, worse yet, that she isn't saved.

3.) The gifts of the Spirit are just that...gifts, not entitlements. It is for HaShem alone to decide who gets what. Who are we to demand that He grant a specific gift to His children?? Who are we to judge one another's walk or salvation based solely on which gift(s) HaShem has (or has not) granted to that individual. They are His. Not ours. He gives them how He chooses, when He chooses, to whom He chooses.

We may think we are correctly interpreting scripture...we can beat each other to death with scripture...but the fact is, we cannot judge one another based on our limited, human understanding of scripture and its meaning. Do I believe tongues are for today? Yup, sure do. Do I speak in tongues? Yup, sure do. But let me make this statement also...I was saved for 16 years, I had prophesied, had words of wisdom and knowledge, and even had the L-rd heal a person from a terminal disease through my laying hands on her, before I ever uttered my first word in tongues. Why would the L-rd use me in such a way if I were not truly His?

Blessings,

Shade

[CovenantRay]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to schwartmrs again.:clap:

Yes Maam!

Bless you.

:prayer:

[Snowy]

I have never really understood the meaning of speaking in tongues...does it mean you speak in french or latin...etc...or a language that has never been heard before?

[Athaliamum]

The word translated "gift" in English is a limited as the word "love". Many of us know that the word "love" in greek is different depending upon the context, it is the same with the word "gift".

The Greek has four words used throughout the NT.

Merismos (mer-is-mos)
A seperation or distribution eg. Heb 2:4

Doron (Do'-ron)
A present; a sacrifice. eg. Matt 2:11; Luke 21:12; Heb 5:1, 8:3, 8:4, 9:9, 11:4; Rev 11:10

Doma (Dom'-ah)
a present or gift

Charisma (Khar'-is-mah)
a divine gratuity, deliverance from danger or passion, maraculous faculty. eg. Rom 12:6, 11:29; 1 Cor. 12:4,12:9, 12:28, 12:30, 12:31.

[Adammi]

The word translated "gift" in English is a limited as the word "love". Many of us know that the word "love" in greek is different depending upon the context, it is the same with the word "gift".

The Greek has four words used throughout the NT.

Merismos (mer-is-mos)
A seperation or distribution eg. Heb 2:4

Doron (Do'-ron)
A present; a sacrifice. eg. Matt 2:11; Luke 21:12; Heb 5:1, 8:3, 8:4, 9:9, 11:4; Rev 11:10

Doma (Dom'-ah)
a present or gift

Charisma (Khar'-is-mah)
a divine gratuity, deliverance from danger or passion, maraculous faculty. eg. Rom 12:6, 11:29; 1 Cor. 12:4,12:9, 12:28, 12:30, 12:31.
Very cool. I'd never heard that.
Thanks for sharing.

[visionary]

I always assumed that the gift of tongues was so that people of another language could receive the message of truth.... Just like Peter at Pentecost was able to speak to the throng below and all marvelled that they could hear it in their own language.

[stone]

so then, if Peter is speaking tongue's, and the crowd understood him, Does it mention if he understood himself, and did those that traveled with him, understand him?

[praiseyhvh]

I always assumed that the gift of tongues was so that people of another language could receive the message of truth.... Just like Peter at Pentecost was able to speak to the throng below and all marvelled that they could hear it in their own language.
That's what I thought of, too.

[AbiYah]

so then, if Peter is speaking tongue's, and the crowd understood him, Does it mention if he understood himself, and did those that traveled with him, understand him?
This has been what I understood.

I haven't read through the complete thread to see what everyone else has said yet.

I can't say "I have the gift!" because I don't know, but I have had people say I am gifted in languages, in that I strive to understand and to know so I can help others.. it just comes naturally, like breathing.

I've seen the outworkings of the Spriit where I worship, and I've heard people using glossolia (sp?) as taught in different gatherings, and I do not understand it. It doesn't sound like any language.. just things mixed together -and sometimes if lucky, a little like a real language.

I can't judge, but I don't see this is what was spoken of as a sign. (visually, audibly or other)

Being where I have been, and seeing who I have seen; I have a little experience with the "other side" - I mean those things that people who truly worship the creation rather than the Creator do... and they speak in "tongues" too.

If you have discernment, you can tell the difference between the true and the false.. and the false, all I can sayis run, don't stay.

Like another said, gifts can't be chosen, only the giver can give, and the person receiving can take or not.
But as Paul said, each person has a gift and talents to use in the body, and we can not reject someone for their gift - and we are to 'covet' the better gifts that are needed most.

I think that means we are to ask for them if the need is there.

[SpiritPsalmist]

Do Messianics believe that the gifts of the Spirit (Prophecy, tongues) are still to be in use today?
I do :)