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AlikhnKwizad
21st June 2005, 12:07 PM
I know this is going to sound like an assignment from school, but...

Please compare and contrast Eastern & Western thought. Definitions & examples welcome. :)

(There is a point to this, but I need to collect some data first! :))

Xpycoctomos
21st June 2005, 02:40 PM
This may be a good question to ask in TAW or OBOB... or in byzcath,org. Just a suggestion.

AlikhnKwizad
21st June 2005, 03:12 PM
Keep going as long as you can! :)

shmuel
21st June 2005, 03:50 PM
Perhaps a little clarification is necessary. Do you mean:

European thought vs Asian (Far Eastern) thought

or

Eastern Christian thought vs Western Christian thought

or

Greek thought vs Hebrew thought

or

something else?

A_Pioneer
21st June 2005, 05:22 PM
Ro 2:13 For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. Greeks are hearers, Hebrews are doers, Western view and Eastern view.

visionary
21st June 2005, 10:07 PM
Ro 2:13 For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. Greeks are hearers, Hebrews are doers, Western view and Eastern view.

It is a good thing that the Lord will be gathering His own from the far corners of the earth, as that has been how far religious thought has thrown us.

tdcharles
21st June 2005, 10:26 PM
Western theology is a balance of grace and law, eastern theology places most of its emphases on grace. For the most part they're just two ways of looking at the same thing.

Messianic Judaism seems to be the product of western theology.

Andyman_1970
22nd June 2005, 06:31 AM
Ray Vanderlaan has a good section on his website about the differences between Western (Greek) thinking and Eastern (Hebrew) thinking.

Click here (http://www.followtherabbi.com/Brix?pageID=1604)

Henaynei
22nd June 2005, 08:44 AM
"western" = hellenistic = individual primacy = what is good for/protects/strehngthens me?

"eastern" = "oriential" = communal primacy = what is good for/protects/strehngthens my community?

Henaynei
22nd June 2005, 09:38 AM
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Henaynei
22nd June 2005, 09:39 AM
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22nd June 2005, 03:31 PM
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AlikhnKwizad
22nd June 2005, 08:00 PM
Ok, Specifically Hebrew & Greek thought. Sorry I did not clarify!

However, if you want to throw in Asian thought/ worldview... that fine too. :)

Henaynei
23rd June 2005, 05:44 AM
"eastern" thought = Hebrew and other "oriental" logic systems - it does not explicitly refer to Asian culture ;) sorry if my comment side tracked the OP ;)

Bruce101
23rd June 2005, 07:04 AM
It seems to me that Greek (Western) tends to focus on God and I.

Whereas Hebrew (Eastern) tends to focus on our fellow man, God and I.

Part of what draws me to Judaism (Messinic or other) is the focus on our brother, fellow man. Lashon Hara and charity seems to be emphasized, and I like that.
My relationship to God is reflected in my relationship to those around me is in Eastern thought.
My relationship to God is between God and I is a bit more Western, IMO.

Bruce

Henaynei
23rd June 2005, 09:11 AM
It seems to me that Greek (Western) tends to focus on God and I.

Whereas Hebrew (Eastern) tends to focus on our fellow man, God and I.

Part of what draws me to Judaism (Messinic or other) is the focus on our brother, fellow man. Lashon Hara and charity seems to be emphasized, and I like that.
My relationship to God is reflected in my relationship to those around me is in Eastern thought.
My relationship to God is between God and I is a bit more Western, IMO.

BruceExactly :)

"the Greatest Commands" - Love G-d, love your neighbor, love yourself... :)

thecure7
23rd June 2005, 10:19 AM
Great so far! Thanks for your imput!

(oops... I'm useing my DH's screen name- sorry!)
Nilahk

A_Pioneer
23rd June 2005, 11:07 AM
Form=Greek. Function=Hebrew.

Size, shape and color, a cup for instance, large or small, fluted or straight, white or blue is Greek thought.

It holds water! Good. Hebrew thought.

debi b
23rd June 2005, 11:15 AM
Form=Greek. Function=Hebrew.

Size, shape and color, a cup for instance, large or small, fluted or straight, white or blue is Greek thought.

It holds water! Good. Hebrew thought.

LOL - love it :clap:

Henaynei
23rd June 2005, 12:09 PM
Form=Greek. Function=Hebrew.

Size, shape and color, a cup for instance, large or small, fluted or straight, white or blue is Greek thought.

It holds water! Good. Hebrew thought.YES - that is right ;)

Ahavah
24th June 2005, 09:44 AM
Whew..that's all I can say. My brain hurts now because I had to actually use it. HAHAhttp://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/12/12_6_13.gif This post was directed towards a post that was deleted this morning. That post was a doosey. To bad some of you missed it.:D

AlikhnKwizad
24th June 2005, 03:01 PM
Excellent Posts Everyone !!!!!

The Hebrew Language uses less words... but the words are full of meaning.

I've been wondering about the Hebrew language... and the Hebraic thought process... and all that time Moshe spent on the Mountain...

I have really been noticing the difference between the thought process of those in synagogue & those in my extended family... and trying to explain the difference has been difficult... 'cause those who are totally Greek thinkers are somewhat lost when it comes to Hebrew thought.

You know how sometimes we have to put on other "glasses" to see from a different perspective... I have some Hebrew bi-focules... but the bottom half is Greek. Anyone have a purely Hebrew perscription? :)

Henaynei
24th June 2005, 04:13 PM
Anyone have a purely Hebrew prescription? :) such is extremely difficult to come by, even in the orthodox community as even they live in a western culture, have grown up in the western culture, western media and logic system - even if they also went extensively to yeshiva - even in Israel as she too is a western culture..... for those you can view western thought as a kind of astigmatism for which the glasses try to compensate but can never truly correct http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_1_65.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm824BCUS)

visionary
24th June 2005, 04:27 PM
http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm824BCUS
I resemble that remark

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