Commanded to not speak about Torah

[Mikhail]

Hi All,
Just another average week for me.
I received a call from the associate Pastor (the Senior one's away for 5 weeks) and I am grilled about speaking about the Torah and told that I am not to speak to any members of the congregation about what I beleive the Torah or the Word says appartently I am free to talk about the weather or other matters.

I was told to shutup until the senior get's back of course I said will obey God first and give an answere to anyone who asks me why I beleive or practice the faith a particular way. This also I was commanded not to do as well I declined to accept the offer.

I was then told not to come to the congregation until the Senior returns, this too I also declined to accept. I was then told I would be forcibly restricted from attending services. I declined to accept this as well.

This Jezebel spirit just does not like those who keep the Torah and have a submissive attitude to the Father in heaven.

Such is life when you attend a Torah Intolerant Messianic Congregation.
Shalom,
Mikhail

[Torah]

get OUT OR Stay and keep QUITE. :sigh:

[Mikhail]

Now, there’s a contradiction statement.

Sounds like G-d is trying to get you OUT. :wave:

Me thinks YHWH is trying to get in but they are stuck in the chains of Hebrew Christianity.

They focus on the 2nd commandment a real lot but they get upset if I tell them that it is not the first and they need to love the YHWH their Elohim and have not other gods before him .

They are so egalitarian it is not funny most of the male staff have woman that wear the pants and that is part of the problem those women really hate tha fact that I tell their husbands to be men and honour YHWH first, these women want to be first in thier men's lives.
Shalom,
Mikhail

[visionary]

I do not know if God is trying to get you out or this fellow has some control freak issues? Where is the study to see if it is so?

Could you discribe this fellow? Does he seem to have the congregation support in this decision? I am sure you are going to find out as you try to enter this weekend. Either he will just glare at you all evening or there will be several "elders" of the congregation barring the door.

Sad situation no matter how you look at it. Prayer and time will heal all wounds, and this one is deep. I would say dust your feet and move on. Paul had too much to do and so little time, and so should you.

[Bruce101]

Did he not care to ask how you came to your beliefs?
A closed mind is a dead mind.
Bruce

[Pray4Isrel]

I would absolutely leave and go elsewhere... but not without a well-written "Paul-like" letter to the Pastor.

[Mikhail]

I would absolutely leave and go elsewhere... but not without a well-written "Paul-like" letter to the Pastor.

Their is no where else to go? That is what they want because if I go then they can continue to ignore that Torah Observant Beleivers exist.

This is the only Messianic Congregation amongst a Population of 3+ million and a Jewish community of over 80,000.
Shalom,
Mikhail

[Mikhail]

Did he not care to ask how you came to your beliefs?
A closed mind is a dead mind.
Bruce

This man, the associate pastor has been a good friend for 15 years he and his wife were closer than a sister and a brother to me. We have been through a lot he left his wife about 9 years ago for 13 months and we stood by them both I literally intercedded in tears to see them come back together and it was a major miracle when they were reconciled.

His children are like nephews and a niece to me, in fact my wife and I stood with them when they dedicated their little girl.

Bottom line is they are entrenched against Torah Observance as he said it is not a personal attack in fact if I let go of the Torah is applicable for today for both and gentile they are cool if I just say it is something that God is just leading me to do.
Shalom,
Mikhail

[Tishri1]

I do not know if God is trying to get you out or this fellow has some control freak issues? Where is the study to see if it is so?

Could you discribe this fellow? Does he seem to have the congregation support in this decision? I am sure you are going to find out as you try to enter this weekend. Either he will just glare at you all evening or there will be several "elders" of the congregation barring the door.

Sad situation no matter how you look at it. Prayer and time will heal all wounds, and this one is deep. I would say dust your feet and move on. Paul had too much to do and so little time, and so should you.Is This a Messianic congregetion or a christian church?

[yod]

There is certainly a lot more to this than any of us know.

I'm praying for you Mikhail....and I'm praying for them.

[Mikhail]

Is This a Messianic congregetion or a christian church?
Yes it is regarded as a Messianic associated with Chosen Peoples Ministries and MJAA. But doctrinally it is basically Hebrew Christian in practice.
Shalom,
Mikhail

[A_Pioneer]

Isn't it odd that Forgiven Lawless People, whether Christian or MJ, practice it until their President practices it, then they say he must be Law Abiding. LOL

In my Bible Yeshua says, "Go and sin no more." Kinda shorthand for "Keep the commandments" in my opinion.

I would also hate to leave the fellowship, but most of us left one, even before we were forced out.

Just maybe, Y H V H thinks it is time for this city to have a Torah observant Congregation. Hint, hint! P (R) D S

[Torah]

Isn't it odd that Forgiven Lawless People, whether Christian or MJ, practice it until their President practices it, then they say he must be Law Abiding. LOL

In my Bible Yeshua says, "Go and sin no more." Kinda shorthand for "Keep the commandments" in my opinion.


To add to your thought Pioneer.

2 tim 4: 3-4
For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine (the sound doctrine at the time of this writing was not the new Testament). Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers (President practices) to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

Myths- (tradition often founded on some fact of nature or an event in the early history of a people and some religious belief of that people. Beliefs concerning their origin, gods, heroes.)
KJV says “fable” – (to talk or write about as if true)

[A_Pioneer]

[QUOTE=Torah]To add to your thought Pioneer.

2 tim 4: 3-4
For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine (the sound doctrine at the time of this writing was not the new Testament).

[QUOTE]And from the back seat, "Are we there yet?" I think we're there! LOL

Thanks, your post was a good post script.

[Tishri1]

I would go somewhere where they had the same convictions as me....If I am not welcome then it would be not edify me or them to stay there...I would not want to stay just to make a point, if that point always came across as negative... Torah is suppose to bring life to those who find it...not contention...But ya know...that's just me:sorry:...everyone has to follow their own heart...I will definately be praying for you (and them). I know how hard this is for you.:hug:

[A_Pioneer]

I would go somewhere where they had the same convictions as me....If I am not welcome then it would be not edify me or them to stay there...I would not want to stay just to make a point, if that point always came across as negative... Torah is suppose to bring life to those who find it...not contention...But ya know...that's just me:sorry:...everyone has to follow their own heart...I will definately be praying for you (and them). I know how hard this is for you.:hug:
Tishri is a voice of experience.
Hi, Chaverim.

[Tishri1]

Tishri is a voice of experience.
Hi, Chaverim.yeh I am huh:blush:...but my true friends are with me till the ends of the earth...like pioneer...we're forever buds!:hug:

[Mikhail]

I would go somewhere where they had the same convictions as me....If I am not welcome then it would be not edify me or them to stay there...I would not want to stay just to make a point, if that point always came across as negative... Torah is suppose to bring life to those who find it...not contention...But ya know...that's just me:sorry:...everyone has to follow their own heart...I will definately be praying for you (and them). I know how hard this is for you.:hug:

Their are others in the congregation that keep Torah to varying degrees but just do not say anything unfortunateley when God whispers something to me about is word Mikhail has too....SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS ;)

My views is that the Torah Obedient beleivers have just as much right to be cared for and respected just as those who are lambs in the faith who who cannot accept the strong meat of the word.

If I instigate a split (Start another congregation) then am I not sowing bad seed into anythng that God may intend on doing eventually ( I am still unsure about this, but open if it is his will) then it would be better that I be thrown out of the synogogue (Congregation) first.

If I suffer for doing the right thing then that is my reward, however if I suffer for being ungodly and doing the wrong then what credit is it to me.

Because I am accepted of Elohim the fact that they reject me is only a minor slap in the face, so I just turn the other cheek.

I have been given the grace to go there not because of what it does for me but because Abba wants me to be there period. So I will stay at my post until he clearly directs me to my next assignment.

I can even laugh this morning at how my obedience to Torah seems to have consumed so much of their time and energy, after all I am just one man.
Todah all for your comments, I appreciate your prayers that the Fathers will, will be done on earth as it is in heaven in this set of circumstances after all every family has it test's.

I was encouraged and sober as well when I read this a few weeks ago:

Jam 3:13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by his good conduct that his deeds are done in gentleness of wisdom. 14 But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, don't boast and don't lie against the truth.

If I truly have matured as a Man of God should I not be more patient with those who are adolescent and play temper tantrums other children run away from other children when they squabble but an adult just smiles and deals with the situation as they need too.
Shalom Mishpocah,
Mikhail

[Mikhail]

Isn't it odd that Forgiven Lawless People, whether Christian or MJ, practice it until their President practices it, then they say he must be Law Abiding. LOL

In my Bible Yeshua says, "Go and sin no more." Kinda shorthand for "Keep the commandments" in my opinion.

I would also hate to leave the fellowship, but most of us left one, even before we were forced out.

Just maybe, Y H V H thinks it is time for this city to have a Torah observant Congregation. Hint, hint! P (R) D S

P (R) D S ???

[A_Pioneer]

P (R) D S ???Pashat, Remez, Drosh and Sod
Levels of intreptation of Hebrew.