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lionroar0
15th June 2005, 11:56 AM
please take a look at this thread.

http://www.christianforums.com/t1749427-need-clarification-on-the-virgin-mary.html

He has gone on to say this is part of his of post.

"How much you dont know about me Marina..... First of all, I was Ordained a Priest in the Coptic Orthodox Church and then concentrated as Bishop by the Most Rt.Rev.Block. Look again to my line of succession and call back after you prove that St. James, Augustine of Canterbury, and the Armenian Church have invalid, not ORTHODOX Apostolic Succession. Also, prove that the panel of Catholic scholars chaired by Yves Congar (Cardinal by John Paul II ) was wrong when they pronounced our line a "valid succession of orders". The panel found that the Apostolic Succession had been sustained!"

http://www.praize.com/cgi-bin/members/cforums.cgi?forumid=10177315385137&postid=9990195618485&action=messages&threadid=9990195618485&start=130&

This is the originating thread in another forum.

I originally posted on the TAW. Because this guy Celt. Claimed to be Orthodox but denies that Mary was ever-virgin.

And his claiming this and that. I'm not sure If should even bring this up to your attention but I guess I will find out.

Peace

orthedoxy
15th June 2005, 08:25 PM
No OO believes Mary was not a virgin, also we can validate The Armenian Church line of succession where does he think they ever broke off?

lionroar0
15th June 2005, 11:03 PM
Hi orthedoxy

I think he is trying to say the opposite that he has valid apostolic succesion through the Armenian Church. Then again he is also claiming to be Orthodox. So.....
In the originating thread he is saying that Mary was a Virgin but not ever-virgin.

This is what turned on my alert light.

1. He claimed that he was Orthodox, then denied the ever-virginity of Mary.

2. Now he is going through hoops to proof his Apostolic Succesion as a Bishop.

Which I guess bring me to my next question. Which I think I may already know the answer to.

Does the Armenian Church Belive that Mary was/is ever virgin?

If you don't mind I would like paste your reponce on the other board.

Peace

orthedoxy
16th June 2005, 02:38 AM
Here is a link to our liturgy: http://www.cilicia.com/armo_badarak17.html
here is a quote"CHOIR: (INTROIT) ONLY-BEGOTTEN SON and word of God and being immortal who didst deign to become incarnate through the Holy Mother-of-God and the ever virgin. Thou, unchangeable as thou art, didst trample down death by death. O Christ our God, who art one of the Holy Trinity, in glory equal with the Father and the Holy Spirit, save us.
This should help. we pray that every sunday

Irish Melkite
16th June 2005, 05:11 AM
Just a quick note - these kind of folks aren't worth your attention. You may want to read my comments on his supposed "Coptic" ordination in post #60 and my comments on what a waste it is to dialogue with his sort in post #108 of the TAW thread titled "Need Clarification" (http://www.christianforums.com/t1749427-need-clarification-on-the-virgin-mary.html).

Many years,

Neil