Cheese it?

[Torah]

I have been informed that almost all if not all cheese has lard [pig fat] in it. :eek:
Anyone got some info on this? :confused:

[Zacharias]

:eek: I hope not.

[Ryupower]

What?!

:eek:

Great, now I can't eat cheese anymore...

[BarbB]

I'm sure it doesn't - I ate cheese every breakfast in the Regency Hotel in Jerusalem and it's totally kosher. What I don't know is about American cheeses. I do doubt it, though.

[Wags]

I have never heard of lard being used in the making of cheese. Most cheese isn't kosher because it uses animal rennent (made from the lining of a cows stomach). Thus it is mixing dairy with meat and which makes it rabinically unkosher. Kosher cheese uses vegetable rennet.

[Torah]

Cheese:
Hard cheese is made using an enzyme - rennet - which is responsible for the form of the cheese. Until recently, rennet was obtained only from the stomach of calves or pigs, :eek:

http://www.ujs-online.co.uk/jewishstudent/kosherfood

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http://www.ou.org/kosher/primer.html

many ingredients can be kosher or non-kosher, depending on their source of origin. For example, glycerin and emulsifiers are made from either vegetable or animal oils. Finally, many ingredients are listed only in broad terms, with no breakdown of the many complex components that make up the actual item. For example, a chocolate flavor may contain 50 ingredients, but the ingredient declaration will list this entire complex of ingredients as "flavors".
Unless a person is an expert in food production, the average consumer cannot possibly make an evaluation of the kosher status, which is why it is important to purchase only those products that have the endorsement of a reliable kosher agency. :confused:

[Henaynei]

it is not lard that renders most cheese treif - it is the rennet, the enzyme necessary to coagulate the milk into cheese - "Rennet (aka chymosin) is obtained from the stomachs of young mammals living on milk, especially from the inner lining of the fourth, or true, stomach (abomasum) of milk-fed calves." Piglets can also be used.

to be kosher the rennet must come from animals that have been ceritfied kosher, or an alternative vegetable source of coagulating agent is used

[Zacharias]

it is not lard that renders most cheese treif - it is the rennet, the enzyme necessary to coagulate the milk into cheese - "Rennet (aka chymosin) is obtained from the stomachs of young mammals living on milk, especially from the inner lining of the fourth, or true, stomach (abomasum) of milk-fed calves." Piglets can also be used.

to be kosher the rennet must come from animals that have been ceritfied kosher, or an alternative vegetable source of coagulating agent is used
:cry: :cry: :cry:

[Henaynei]

OU Kosher Sharp Cheddar (http://store.cabotcheese.com/RetItem.tmpl?cart=111901967515506&catid=waxless&id=M7928)http://store.cabotcheese.com/Img/Icon/new.gif http://store.cabotcheese.com/Img/Product/Thumb/KosherDeliBar.gif (http://store.cabotcheese.com/RetItem.tmpl?cart=111901967515506&catid=waxless&id=M7928)All of the cheeses in our online store (except for Smoky Bacon Cheddar) are already certified kosher by Tablet-K and certified halal by the Islamic Food and Nutrition Council of America (IFANCA). However, we have received many consumer inquiries about providing OU-certified cheddar, so we are conducting this limited-time market test.

What kind of rennet is used to make our cheeses?
Cabot utilizes vegetable-based rennet to manufacture its award-winning cheeses. The American Vegetarian Society approves Cabot’s rennet and our Cabot cheeses are certified kosher.

[Henaynei]

Rennet, an enzyme used to harden cheese, is often obtained from non-kosher animals, thus kosher hard cheese can be difficult to find. http://www.jewfaq.org/kashrut.htm

[Henaynei]

put "kosher cheese" in any search engine and you'll find quite a selection

[Zacharias]

Thanks Henaynei! :)

[Torah]

Thank you Henaynei. :thumbsup:

[CovenantRay]

OU Kosher Sharp Cheddar (http://store.cabotcheese.com/RetItem.tmpl?cart=111901967515506&catid=waxless&id=M7928)

Cabot utilizes vegetable-based rennet to manufacture its award-winning cheeses. The American Vegetarian Society approves Cabot’s rennet and our Cabot cheeses are certified kosher.

My lovely wife, SchwartMrs, and myself love Cabot cheeses, particularly the Extra Sharp Vermont Cheddar. I have not tried the variety above. The Vemont cheddar is quite dry and crumbles easily. That might be different than you may be used to.

Shabbat Shalom,

CovenantRay :prayer:

[MyLittleWonders]

So my kraft cheese that I buy in 2 1-pound packs at Sam's is out? I always wondered why I couldn't find a circle-K or circle-U on my cheeses. Is it really not safe to assume that it's still okay. I'm soooo bumming here as I love cheese ... my kids love cheese ... what am I gonna do?

[Henaynei]

So my kraft cheese that I buy in 2 1-pound packs at Sam's is out? I always wondered why I couldn't find a circle-K or circle-U on my cheeses. Is it really not safe to assume that it's still okay. I'm soooo bumming here as I love cheese ... my kids love cheese ... what am I gonna do? :) I feel you r pain, truly I do :)

first you need to determine where you and your family are drawing the line concerning dietary observance.... once you have determined where you stand you can go from there.....

most soft cheeses; cream cheese, farmer's cheese (NOT Velveeta, sorry) are kosher and usually carry a hecksher...

Cabot cheeses use vegetarian rennet and therefore avoid the problematic issue of animal rennet - if this meets your standard most of your trouble is over...

if this does not meet your standard, or if you are craving cheeses such as mozzarella and parmesan you can go to kosher grocer sites on the web and order from there - they will ship to you.

[Bananna]

Don't forget that most milk is laced with pig skin extract as a Vitamin Dadditive.

I just got OU-D milk organic from Horizons today for 99c a half gallon. Whoo hoo
bananna

[Wags]

Don't forget that most milk is laced with pig skin extract as a Vitamin Dadditive.

I just got OU-D milk organic from Horizons today for 99c a half gallon. Whoo hoo
bananna

My research showed me that most milk producers use vitamin D extracted from (lanolin) wool, and not from pork products.

[MyLittleWonders]

Where did you find Horizon's milk for 99 cents a gallon? Is it their organic milk? We really like organic milk but usually don't buy it for daily drinking ... just more special stuff like smoothies and the such cause it's expensive!

[Bon]

We buy Vegetarian cheese. It is made using a vegetable enzyme instead of an animal enzyme.....often from pigs.

It is much more costly than your average cheese. We pay AD $5.45 for a 500g block. You can buy a 1Kg block of normal cheese for less.

Shalom from Bon

[Torah]

Ok, we have cut out generic brand cheese & milk, now here come a new one, A Rabbi and I were talking about these things and he ask me what about restaurants? Lets say you order a stake and potato, they take off the grill a slab of pork ribs, & then throw your stake in the same spot. :eek: Or at the supermarket you have them slice you up an lb of pastrami and the Lady moves the ham from the slicer and throws your pastrami right in the same spot? :eek:
something to think about. :confused:

[Bon]

Ok, we have cut out generic brand cheese & milk, now here come a new one, A Rabbi and I were talking about these things and he ask me what about restaurants? Lets say you order a stake and potato, they take off the grill a slab of pork ribs, & then throw your stake in the same spot. :eek: Or at the supermarket you have them slice you up an lb of pastrami and the Lady moves the ham from the slicer and throws your pastrami right in the same spot? :eek: something to think about. :confused:

All the time :sick:

That's why kosher Jews will not eat out at a non-kosher restaurant.

It's a toughie.....Do you just let it slide, and try not to think about it....or do we start eating out at kosher restaurants....in my case (30km to the nearest kosher restaurant)

As for deli meats.....I'm ok there....I never buy deli meat. PHEW!

Shalom from Bon

[Torah]

We stop eating out. And stop buying deli meats. We tryed to eat out after Coming into this knowledge. But "SOMETHING" kept nagging at me about it. So we didn’t.

[Bon]

We stop eating out. And stop buying deli meats. We tryed to eat out after Coming into this knowledge. But "SOMETHING" kept nagging at me about it. So we didn’t.


Talk about "living in the world and not of the world" huh!?

Further separating ourselves from all things mainstream.

Do you think it strange that so many people don't give it a second thought?

Shalom from Bon

[christinepro]

We stop eating out. And stop buying deli meats. We tryed to eat out after Coming into this knowledge. But "SOMETHING" kept nagging at me about it. So we didn’t.

I had McDonalds yesterday because I was on the run. I felt really nausiated after eating it. I don't think I'll eat there or any other fast food place again. Yuk!! I could cook better than that. Torah, I get that nagging feeling too. Could YWHA be trying to tell us something?

[Mikhail]

I have never heard of lard being used in the making of cheese. Most cheese isn't kosher because it uses animal rennent (made from the lining of a cows stomach). Thus it is mixing dairy with meat and which makes it rabinically unkosher. Kosher cheese uses vegetable rennet.

Rabbis smabbis what do I care it what I a Rabbi thinks on decrees and customs that are added to what is biblical kosher that is important the milk and meat thing is such a furfy because the text is in the whole context of bringing offerings not what is clean or unclean for eating.
Shalom,
Mikhail ben Gino

[Mikhail]

All the time :sick:

That's why kosher Jews will not eat out at a non-kosher restaurant.

It's a toughie.....Do you just let it slide, and try not to think about it....or do we start eating out at kosher restaurants....in my case (30km to the nearest kosher restaurant)

As for deli meats.....I'm ok there....I never buy deli meat. PHEW!

Shalom from Bon

Ahh me thinks that God wants Torah beleivers to live in the middle of the Jewish community as a testimony as it makes my life so much easier, I only get Kosher meat and Kosher deli products.

It is not just about pork etc but how the cow is killed did you ever consider that a cow that gets a bolt in the head to kill it and is not cut up for 15 -20 mins on an abotoirs assembly line is efectiveley meat strangled :eek:
Which even christians who accept acts 15 are bound too accept.
Shalom,
Mikhail

[Mikhail]

We buy Vegetarian cheese. It is made using a vegetable enzyme instead of an animal enzyme.....often from pigs.

It is much more costly than your average cheese. We pay AD $5.45 for a 500g block. You can buy a 1Kg block of normal cheese for less.

Shalom from Bon

I have a confession :blush:
I really striggled with buying Kosher cheese that AUD $10 for 500 grams was just so difficult to accept in my head, but eventually I did silly isn't it.

You know it is interesting without really trying I found that I eat less meat now that i eat Kashrut certified meat.

I wonder if their is a relationship between eating meat with the blood in it with my past cravings for more meat?
Shalom,
Mikhail ben Gino

[christinepro]

As far as cheese made with animal rennet is it the animal we would be eating or the enzyme?

Definition: rennet, substance containing rennin, an enzyme having the property of clotting, or curdling, milk.

[Henaynei]

we finally quit eating at the Chinese buffet (a BIG favorite for hubby) when HaShem brought us to the place where we could smell the pork in the oil in which the mushrooms and chicken has been fried.... :( OH, for a Jewish community that would not impoverish us to live there! Our remaining indiscretion is a local fish market where we only get broiled salmon, corn on the cob, baked potato and a salad ... well, that and the *extremely rare* visit to a mom-n-pop pizza place where we get a veggie pizza - yeah, we know, the cheese - :sigh: as I say, it is extremely rare.... maybe twice a year.... for chinese we travel 5 hours to Boca Raton and a chinese resturant there - maybe once a year or two.....

true observance (all levels/issues, not just kashrut) requires community - HaShem designed it that way ;)

[Torah]

LOL AT MYSELF. You are not going to believe what I just did. I am reading Henaynei post [with out my glasses] “is a local fish market where we only get broiled [salmon, corn]”
But what I think I see is [Salmon. com] So, I cut and past “Salmon. Com” onto the search window and click on it and it tells me “the URL can’t be found.” I put on my glasses, and well. “broiled salmon, corn on the cob,” LOL at my self. :D

"true observance (all levels/issues, not just kashrut) requires community - HaShem designed it that way" :amen:
As I grow I am learning that. Shalom

[Henaynei]

ah, yes, the fault of glasses has caused more than one of us to err and find cause for laughter ;)

[BarbB]

OU Kosher Sharp Cheddar (http://store.cabotcheese.com/RetItem.tmpl?cart=111901967515506&catid=waxless&id=M7928)http://store.cabotcheese.com/Img/Icon/new.gif http://store.cabotcheese.com/Img/Product/Thumb/KosherDeliBar.gif (http://store.cabotcheese.com/RetItem.tmpl?cart=111901967515506&catid=waxless&id=M7928)All of the cheeses in our online store (except for Smoky Bacon Cheddar) are already certified kosher by Tablet-K and certified halal by the Islamic Food and Nutrition Council of America (IFANCA). However, we have received many consumer inquiries about providing OU-certified cheddar, so we are conducting this limited-time market test.

What kind of rennet is used to make our cheeses?
Cabot utilizes vegetable-based rennet to manufacture its award-winning cheeses. The American Vegetarian Society approves Cabot’s rennet and our Cabot cheeses are certified kosher.

Cabot's Hunter Sharp has always been one of my favorites. I just checked the label but couldn't find any Kosher marks. Is it just the one kind of Cabot's cheese?

[Mikhail]

OH, for a Jewish community that would not impoverish us to live there!


What do you mean by this?
Shalom,
Mikhail

[Henaynei]

What do you mean by this?
Shalom,
Mikhailthe cost of living in an orthodox Jewish community can be somewhat high. Consider that the cost of kosher food is considerably more than what most of us are used to spending, the cost of housing in a community where kosher housing is likely at a premium (not likely to have much surplus kosher housing) and therefore is likely rather high... etc...

[Henaynei]

Cabot's Hunter Sharp has always been one of my favorites. I just checked the label but couldn't find any Kosher marks. Is it just the one kind of Cabot's cheese? As stated on the Cabot site: "All of the cheeses in our online store (except for Smoky Bacon Cheddar) are already certified kosher by Tablet-K"

The "Tablet-K," Religious and Kitchen Supervision (http://www.kashrusmagazine.com/ksg/nyc/nyc_metro.htm), 8 Copper Beach Lane, Lawrence, NY 11559-2606. (516) 569-9081; (516) 569-9082; Fax: (516) 569-9083. Rabbi Rafael Saffra.

The "Tablet-K." Rabbi Rafael Saffra is a musmach of RIETS. He has been the Director of the Tablet-K since it began 20 years ago.


that is about all I can find on the web about Tablet-K
- you can contact that organization and Cabot Cheese and ask about the hecksher....

[scottidog]

true observance (all levels/issues, not just kashrut) requires community - HaShem designed it that way

That's so true. But it's an aspect that we don't think of often enough. Or at least I don't.

[Tishri1]

:D

"true observance (all levels/issues, not just kashrut) requires community - HaShem designed it that way" :amen:
As I grow I am learning that. Shalom

amen how sad we are all so spread out:sigh:

[Bon]

Ahh me thinks that God wants Torah beleivers to live in the middle of the Jewish community as a testimony as it makes my life so much easier, I only get Kosher meat and Kosher deli products.


Well.....I dont think you can buy a house in Caulfield or Balaclava for $195,000.00. ;)

(To all you 'outsiders' these suburbs are Melbourne's Jewish area, and have extremely high real estate prices.)

The cost of living in a community like that is astranomical. (for us, anyway).

So no, I don't believe God would want us to, if it means "living beyond our means".

Shalom from Bon

[Mikhail]

Well.....I dont think you can buy a house in Caulfield or Balaclava for $195,000.00.

(To all you 'outsiders' these suburbs are Melbourne's Jewish area, and have extremely high real estate prices.)

The cost of living in a community like that is astranomical. (for us, anyway).

So no, I don't believe God would want us to, if it means "living beyond our means".

Shalom from Bon

You can just x5 :eek:

I know that is why I rent it is a lot cheaper to rent than buying assuming I could get them to lend me a lazy $900,000 or so. ;)

Shalom,
Mikhail