Jesus Died of Blood Loss?

[moses916]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200506/s1387915.htm

I'm pretty sure someone told me he died of Asphxyiation of something like that (however its spelled)! What do you guys think?

[drewmeister2]

Yeah, thats what Ive always been told, that He died because He wasn't able to support His weight on the Cross, and suffocated.

[Dust and Ashes]

Asphyxiation was the general cause of death for crucified people but I've wondered the same thing myself. It just seemed like it would be a very powerful thing if He died because He gave all the Blood He could give. But I don't feel strongly enough about it to argue.

Then again, Scripture says He cried with a loud voice then died. I'm not a doctor but that wouldn't seem to me to be consistent with someone dying from asphyxiation but then again, it might.

[88Devin07]

Well for asphyxiationk, the people on the cross had a method of breathing and speaking while on the cross...

They of course, were hung in a position to where it would cause asphyxiation, unlike some paintings, he wasn't in a position that looks like he could lay down flat if it were on the ground. The feet would be nailed closer to the body so that the knees would be bent and turned to one side.

The one who was crucified, if he wanted to speak or breath, was forced to push up on his feet and pull with his hands and twist his knees to the opposite side of his body and thus breathe.

He would have been vvery weakened from blood loss, but not have died. Unlike some movies *hint* *hint*. They were only whipped on the back and only 39 out of 40 times.

He could have died though if the nail(s) had hit his artery in his wrist...

[gorion]

I think he died because he gave up his spirit. But this is only my opinion ;)

[icxn]

Asphyxiation nonsense!

He died because He willed it.

17: For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life, that I may take it again. 18: No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again; this charge I have received from my Father." (John 10)

[sin_vladimirov]

Asphyxiation nonsense!

He died because He willed it.

17: For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life, that I may take it again. 18: No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again; this charge I have received from my Father." (John 10)


Indeed.

He is God, before all ages, out of time, Eternal;
in everything for everything, everywhere at once, All-present;
out of and beyond of all created, Creator;
loving and caring for ever!

He is the Word, Divine Logos of Father begotten before all ages.
He is above, aside and beyond of all things.
He is ONE and ONLY and none are like HIM.

He is of one essence with the Father,
through and for who all things were made.

He deemed necessary to take upon His Divine form of no form, presence of ever-presence by incarnation of the Holy Spirit
(who proceeds from the Father, who is the Lord and the Giver of life, Who is Divine Person of the same essence and who is together with the Father and the Son, worshipped and glorified in every hour by all, everywhere and all-the time in time and out of it, who is speaking always, present Paracleta)

and of the human virgin-girl by the name Miriam

(who is Theotokos-the God bearer the Mother of our God, the all-pure and ever virgin, to whom it is proper and right to give honour by all and in every time, who is more honourable than the cherubim and more glorious beyond compare than the seraphim, who gave birth and stayed pure for she gave birth to salvation of us all, ever blessed and mothers of us all, the new Eve).


And He deeded necessary to live life of a common man, never common; poor man, the richest out of richest and beyond them, the owner of every matter in the creation, Master of all and King of kings. IN-comparable, above any and beyond all.

And He deemed necessary to call to Him all those willing.
And after a life of lives and most important occurences in the history, He deemed necessary to fullfil the law and to by suffering a death of a common criminal, our death, by descent into the hades and by glorious ressurection in the third day re-create created, and re-make made, saving those who call His name and who in Him only hope.

He died for it was HIS will, trampling down death by death, making death die. Re-creating.







Thank you O Lord, my God and God of all,
for doing all for us.
From your love and love above all others You are saving me, a wrethched sinner, the sinner, who in You prays to hope.
And now and ever, may there be the Will of the Father for the Son through the Holy Spirit, our God the Most Holy Trinity.
And may no other will be.

Amin.



in ICXC
stefan+

[88Devin07]

Exactly, but as Doctors may put it, He died of asphyxiation, but of course, he died because he willed it and chose to. He showed he had a lot left in him by using a loud voice, showing he was still very much alive, yet he died because he willed it to be.

[sin_vladimirov]

Exactly, but as Doctors may put it, He died of asphyxiation, but of course, he died because he willed it and chose to. He showed he had a lot left in him by using a loud voice, showing he was still very much alive, yet he died because he willed it to be.

If I am not mistaken, people died of asphyxiation on the crucifix AFTER SOME TIME spent on the cross, also because at some time their knees would be broken so that they could not lift themselves to breathe.

St. John implies in his Gospel Chapter XIX, 33 that Our Lord died "sooner than expected".

So, I care not what some doctors may think. I will ask them when I need them (God forbid).
Asking doctors about Theology is not very productive (unless you are talking to St. Luke).

Lord died because it was His time to die because it was all done and finished (Jn. XIX, 28. 30.).

Also from the Jn. XIX, 30. We see that He first bowed His head and only then He delivered His spirit.

St. John Chrysostome says about this particular verse that:
Having bowed His head, He delivered up His spirit; that is He died. Yet to expire does not come after bowing head, but here, on the contrary it does. He did not, when He expired, bow His head, as it happens with all of us. But when He had bent His head, then He expired. By all these, the evangelist has shown that He was Lord of all.
[from the ONT Vol I, commentary on the Fourth Gospel, page 546/344 from the Homily LXXXV of St. Chrysostome]

I know you are not contradicting, dear Devin, I am just commenting on what some doctors say.;)


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stefan+

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I have a book that details many things from death for the crucified, the author is speaking at length wtih an ME.

One of the most interesting points was that the blood mingled with water gushing from the puncture wound in the side clearly denotes that Christ's heart had burst.

Another point brought out in the book was the word "excruciating" was created in reference to how painful this brand of torture was.

Forgive me....

[88Devin07]

I remember that there wsla a website with photos and descriptions on how it was to be on the cross, it completely changed my view of his pain and suffering.

[Mary of Bethany]

I believe Christ willed His death when the time was appropriate. Didn't He die at the time of the temple sacrifice?

Mary

[88Devin07]

Yes he did. And I believe because the veil was torn in two, that would'ave gotten the High Priest's attention and I believe the lamb ran away... Of course, that is just symbolizing :)

[VickiY]

I absolutely agree with all of the above, but do not forget that Christ was praying so earnestly in Gethsemane that He was literally sweating Drops of His Most Pure Blood before even coming to the Cross.

All of which, incidentally, is immaterial to the fact that He Himself chose the hour of His scarifice for our sake. He was in control from first to last.